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Brady Quinn: Is he worth a low round pick?

According to Adam Shefter via Rotoworld.com:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Brady Quinn is on the trading block.

The development isn't surprising. Quinn has been so inaccurate (52.1% completions in 14 career games) that Cleveland would probably be happy to take a late-round pick for him. Kansas City, where Quinn's college coach Charlie Weis is now the offensive coordinator, would be a sensible landing spot. Broncos coach Josh McDaniels, a former Weis pupil, also loves to trade.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

I was immediately excited to hear that the Broncos could be in the mix for Quinn. Many people think Brady Quinn is vastly overrated, but I think that is a terribly wrong assumption. Meaning, it assumes that Brady Quinn is a bust. What these people are doing is vastly overrating the Cleveland Browns organization.

What I mean by that is that the Browns organization is quite dysfunctional. When they drafted Brady Quinn, they and their unintelligent fans expected him to immediately become Peyton Manning. Well, Quinn needed to be groomed, but was never groomed and was quickly labeled a bust by the Browns organization, their fans, and the media at large.

Star-divide

Brady Quinn has first round talent and if he can be had for a 6th round "maybe", then Josh McDaniels should jump all over that. Put Quinn on the roster as our #3 and salvage him. If anyone can salvage a quarterback, it would be Josh McDaniels.

Quinn would need to restructure his contract, but he would be free to ressurect his career without the criticism and label of a bust from fans and his own team.

The Broncos have many needs going into the draft this year, but I backup quarterback is likely one of them. Would you rather have an unproven 6th round rookie quarterback, or a guy like Brady Quinn who is not ready to be a starter, but has experience starting in the National Football League? I think I'd take the guy with experience.

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For a 6th..

Definitely worth it. He was a first round pick with all the potential in the world then the browns ruined him, would love to see if there is anything left in him that is salvageable and at the price of a 6th.. count me in!

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:32 PM MST reply actions  

I would be all for bringing in Quinn

I would expect him to be a back up, and he’s got to be better than Simms.

We could still draft a developmental guy if Tom B. Isn’t working out like the rumors say.

by Fan in Exile on Mar 10, 2010 12:33 PM MST reply actions  

Woody Paige claimed that in a recent article

I don’t put much stock in Woody, but opinions vary.

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by Doc Bear on Mar 10, 2010 3:07 PM MST up reply actions  

No rumors

I have been hearing rumors only from fans, McD hasn’t said anything, neither has Xander, there seems to be no problem with Brandstater.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions  

I didn't promote the idea that Brandstater isn't working out. I used the word "IF". ;-)

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:53 PM MST up reply actions  

rumor only

It was a DP comment, I don’t remember the reporter, but i don’t think it was Paige, maybe Klis or Legwold, and never corroborated by the team.

by opinion8r on Mar 10, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

It was just a test and you passed. lol

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by kentuckybronco on Mar 10, 2010 12:34 PM MST up reply actions  

booo..

I failed.. never was very good at exams.. lol

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah...whoops! I fixed it. :P

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I am not sure if the Browns were in the running with Cutler last year or not,

but it would seem plausable that the Browns would have at least considered the idea of trading Quinn for Cutler. I don’t know if McD likes Quinn or not, we’ll see and to tell you the truth, he would be an upgrade over SImms for sure IMO.

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 12:35 PM MST reply actions  

Pretty sure they were in the running

But I remember hearing that Cutler didn’t want to go there (which probably wouldn’t matter that much). I think McD just felt better about Orton coming in and starting right away instead of having to go through developing Quinn while he was starting.

by Broncoman27 on Mar 10, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions  

I would be an upgrade to Simms

My results on the field would be the same as his because I have never played a down of football, but my dad LOVES the broncos and so do I.

by Bradoncadonc on Mar 10, 2010 5:03 PM MST up reply actions  

Truth be told, I value Quinn as a 5th rounder...but we don't have one...so, sixth it is! lol

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:36 PM MST reply actions  

Yep. Bring him in as a back up. He will know some of the system and we can get rid of Simms....Thank God!

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by boydy2669 on Mar 10, 2010 12:38 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I don't think there's any reason to hold on to Simms.

I’m sure there are plenty of FA QB’s out there who are better than Simms.

by Velveeta on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Yeah

Like all of them!

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 6:28 PM MST up reply actions  

Teenage Daughters

My two teenage daughters (16 and 18) would both be thrilled if he was on the team. They think he is so good looking. I guess that is reason enough really!

by mfisher5648 on Mar 10, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions  

It helps

QBs look off the safeties when they are really really ridiculously good looking.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Mar 10, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

lmao

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by broncosmontana on Mar 10, 2010 1:16 PM MST up reply actions  

sign derek zoolander!!!

he may be a little short for a QB, but so is drew brees…

by bailey disciple on Mar 10, 2010 2:04 PM MST up reply actions  

Is Quinn an ambi-turner though?

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:09 PM MST up reply actions  

I Hear

Brady might be more interested in your teenage sons?

by BroncoBo on Mar 10, 2010 2:10 PM MST up reply actions  

zing!

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 2:32 PM MST up reply actions  

He’s not gay. He has had some pretty hot girlfriends.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 10, 2010 5:06 PM MST up reply actions  

That just reminded me of my sister....

Based on looks alone, she wanted Brandstater starting. Didn’t think all that highly of Orton, though…. haha.

by Broncoman27 on Mar 10, 2010 4:13 PM MST up reply actions  

One I do know...we should not overpay for him.

The Cleveland Browns have shown they have very little value of him, so we should offer very little value in a trade. Stupid Browns…

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM MST reply actions  

Agreed

I agree I think we could get Quinn for cheap and we should. I can’t understand how stupid the last two HC of the Browns could be. Quinn is light years above Anderson but they kept flip flopping between the two. Any good qb can get mentally screwed up if he doesn’t know if he’s sitting or starting. How can he truly prepare and get real game experience? A qb like that needs to play and play with the support of his coach so his teammates can follow. So I concur…Stupid Stupid Browns…

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by brohamm1978 on Mar 10, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I find this interesting

We claim the Browns were stupid, but we brought in Simms in with a huge contract. Quinn will be expecting more money since he wasn’t cut like Anderson. I believe Anderson is a far better choice, stronger arm, and has greater success plus he will come with a cheaper tag. Quinn has yet to prove he is any better then Simms.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe

But he has always wanted to start, very few QB’s want to make back up money when they think they should be starting.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:47 PM MST up reply actions  

At this point, I don’t think Quinn really has a choice

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by brohamm1978 on Mar 11, 2010 8:35 AM MST up reply actions  

Umm...we didn't draft Simms in the first round. Doh!

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM MST up reply actions  

True

But I don’t think Simms was worth a big contract. But thats the dealing the agents and the teams work out.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm for it

Having a back up QB who is right handed in place of Simms would be nice.

I choose team over player anyday

by diviesti on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM MST reply actions  

Contract isn't an issue...

Quinn’s real problem in Cleveland was about regime. He was drafted by Savage/Crennel. He held out, ending any chance of winning the job outright. The Browns go on to have a great season under Derek Anderson forcing them to re-sign him.

2008 is a trainwreck. Quinn gets his shot, looks good in his first start against the Broncos during the Thursday Night game, looks good against Buffalo, then gets hurt – season over.

Now comes the regime change – out with Savage and Crennel, in with Mangini and Kokinis. That was a mess to begin with. Quinn had a large bonus due if he played 70% of the snaps. He;s given 2 1/2 games before being pulled. Anderson comes in, plays worse than Quinn did, but I believe, because of the bonus, Quinn was kept on the bench until it became unobtainable.

There was also an incident involving a fight in the weight room. Of course, the pressure of playing at home can’t help.

Now the Browns are on their 3rd regime – sure, Mangini is still the coach, but Holmgren and Heckert are running the show.

His contract isn’t a problem – he’s paid like a backup, really, with a ton of incentives based on playing time. I agree that he needs a change of scenery, but am really on the fence about him. For those that are leery of Orton’s short passing, Quinn will do the same, and more. I watched Orton attack downfield at Purdue – I also watched Quinn struggle throwing the 15 yard out with any zip, and watched him have a real hard time with elite college competition.

The Broncos don’t have a ton of picks to begin with, and a lot of holes to fill…

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:40 PM MST reply actions  

So you are against it then?

I assumed his contract was 1st round money…if not, then right on. I still think McDaniels can salvage this kid…he does not appear to be a “headcase”

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

It depends...

He’s Kyle Orton, but perhaps worse. He doesn’t have Orton’s arm, so if you are an anti-Orton guy because of his lack of attacking downfield, Quinn is in the same boat.

He definitely didn’t get a fair shake in Cleveland, but I haven’t seen anything – at ND or in CLE – to show me he can play at this level…

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

We don't need him as a starter.. just a backup to replace sims..

So if he can’t out throw Orton i’m ok with that just as long as he can get the ball out and hold it together in a game if Orton goes down. Simms struggled with that.

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:56 PM MST up reply actions  

Agree

While I think, oh he just be a back up, but even playing in two games we saw a back up Simms start to sick. I want a back up who can play even in a management role on the field. While I feel Quinn didn’t get to play full time in Cleveland, he really never proved he could.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:41 PM MST up reply actions  

Holes to fill

One of the holes needing to be filled is backup QB. So its really not wasting a pick unless an UFA out there is as good or better option.

Its interesting that Denver has been quiet as far as we know on this front. Which tells me DP is… well that another story. Anyway, Denver must be content with who they have or there are things going on behind the scenes.

I thought last training camp Brandstater played pretty close to Simms level and I don’t see Simms beating him out or playing #3.

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 6:44 PM MST up reply actions  

I am on the fence about him too

However, I am more in favor of it this time than I was last year (when rumors circulated). He’d be cheaper than last year, that’s for sure, so it depends on what Denver would have to give up. Maybe an extra DL instead of a draft pick? Otherwise a 6th rd pick. I t hink he still has a lot of potential and with better coaching could be a winner again. As a backup to Orton next year he could sit and learn. So to me it depends on the asking price but I think he’d be a good backup.

But then I was also advocating bringing in Shaun Hill as a backup which went over like a lead balloon here, so what do I know? ;-)

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by underdog on Mar 10, 2010 12:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Thomas for Quinn

I could see it.

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 6:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Quinn is reminiscent to Kyle Orton and his tenure at Chicago.

In and out, out and in, never really getting into the rhythm or flow of the game.

by bfree2bronc on Mar 10, 2010 2:28 PM MST up reply actions  

He's a great trade for a 6th or the equivalent of a 5th

But he’d have to restructure his contract.

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by sadaraine on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 PM MST reply actions  

Contract Information

He signed, what amounted to, a 5-year/$9.25 million contract -

Signed a five-year, $9.25 million contract. The deal contains $7.75 million guaranteed, including a $4.255 million option bonus in the second year. Another $11 million is available though escalators in 2010 and 2011 based on Quinn taking at least 55% of the snaps in each of the first two years or at least 70% in his third season. Another $9.8 million is available, but is unlikely to be earned. 2009: $655,000, 2010-2011: $700,000, 2011: Free Agent

He makes backup money….

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Sweet...get 'em!

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Simms is gone...

No doubt…

The Question is, what is the reason. He has this season and next season, then is a FA. Is he the guy to bring in to push Orton? Is he just a stop gap? Just a backup for a couple of years? Better than drafting a QB in the 6th round?

Just looking for the motivation more than anything.

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:53 PM MST up reply actions  

Just a backup for a couple of years? Better than drafting a QB in the 6th round?

That about sums it up. :-)

by HorseStance on Mar 10, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions  

Motivation

Simms is not pushing Orton in fact the team lost confidence on his ability to come into a game and play. Simms lost the game to Washington failing to stop the losing streak in which players and coaches alike were complaining about its (losing streak) frustration on the team and its psyche. He couldn’t get through the first quarter against San Diego before Denver brought in their injured QB. It would have been nice if Simms was at least competitive. Why do I bring this up? IMO Simms was as responsible for Denver missing the playoffs as anyone on the team last year. You can’t have a #2 QB that the team says “Oh No!” if he comes in to play and be competitive.

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 6:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Thank you John!

I stand corrected…my apologies to any who were misled by my mislead thinking on this.

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by sadaraine on Mar 10, 2010 1:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Thats

Half of what Simms makes.

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 6:47 PM MST up reply actions  

Brady Yes Please

I’d give up a 5th for him. Kid can be groomed.

Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?

by ChristianL on Mar 10, 2010 12:41 PM MST reply actions  

We don't have a 5th : (

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:18 PM MST up reply actions  

Are the Browns really going into 2010

with Seneca Wallace and Brett Ratliff? What are their plans here, if they trade Quinn?

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by underdog on Mar 10, 2010 12:45 PM MST reply actions  

What QB will be available at #7?

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 12:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Well if they want to start over with yet ANOTHER Notre Dame QB

one might very well be available. ;-)

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by underdog on Mar 10, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions  

(But they have so many other needs, too)

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by underdog on Mar 10, 2010 12:48 PM MST up reply actions  

Riley Skinner

Just sayin

I have so many friends some I haven't even used yet

by BlobTheMagnificent on Mar 11, 2010 3:39 AM MST up reply actions  

Riley Skinner is nothing.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 11, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions  

They are loaded with picks...

Meaning, if they really want a guy(McNabb, Hasselbeck, etc) they can bring a Vet in and draft a young guy(LeFevour, for instance) and let him learn behind the Vet. Wallace is almost like a coach on the field with his knowledge of the Holmgren offense.

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

probably

see: Cleveland Browns/dysfunctional organization.
I don’t remember seeing much in the way of intelligent decision-making out of this new version of the team. Holmgren really believes in Seneca Wallace as a QB.

by AZDenverFan on Mar 10, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions  

According to my girlfriend....

“Denver needs a hot quarterback”

enter this guy:

John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)

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by Joe Medina on Mar 10, 2010 12:52 PM MST reply actions  

Sadly, I dont know who that is.

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

or thankfully depending on how you look at it :P

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Medina, LMAO!

The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.

by TJ Johnson on Mar 10, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions  

No wonder the Dude Cant Complete a pass

he is so jacked its like watching Hulk Hogan trying to throw a ball. You cant throw without hitting a huge muscle and then your arm goes Ape Sh** and cant go straight

by ndrwbrgr on Mar 11, 2010 7:56 AM MST up reply actions  

Ok, so....

He’ll sell jersey’s to chicks, that much we know…

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by John Bena on Mar 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST reply actions  

ugh.

yeah, i’m already on the “invesco is filled with male moguls on their cellphones and trophy wives rattling their jewelry” boat. (there is a boat like that, isn’t there?) this would NOT help.

… nor would quinn on the field for that matter.

by oxmouth on Mar 10, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

I’m too sexy for my shirt, too sexy it hurts…

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:56 PM MST up reply actions   2 recs

Green Green Grass

The grass always looks greener on the other side!

I agree that the Browns as an organization is dysfunctional and that Brady hasn’t had a fair shake. But is he really that much better then Brandstater? From what I’ve seen of Brandstater in college and his only preseason game. He looked good!
He is a Tom Brady clone IMHO. He showed me that he has all the tools, intellect and leadership qualities to be a great Quarterback. I want to see the Broncos give him a chance!

by Xinnix on Mar 10, 2010 12:54 PM MST reply actions  

We still need to replace Simms and pick up a #3 QB

If TomB is better than Quinn he will earn that #2 spot in TC & preseason.

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:21 PM MST up reply actions  

I don’t like it. He effectively is starting ALMOST from scratch considering what little grooming he has received and Holmgren does seem to understand what it take to be a QB in the NFL and he prefers Wallace and Ratliff to Quinn?

Now, if they take a 7th maybe he can come in here and be a backup, but even then I do not feel any better with Quinn than I did with Simms. I just don’t see this as a true value move.

by Arimaris on Mar 10, 2010 12:57 PM MST reply actions  

Not a chance

We can get at LEAST a 4th for Sheffler. Quinn is not worth that much.

by Arimaris on Mar 10, 2010 1:13 PM MST up reply actions  

Not a good deal

That wouldn’t fix anything a make a whole that we wouldn’t get much out of.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Scheffler for Quinn and a 5th?

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM MST up reply actions  

Sounds better

It might get a back up, but it wouldn’t change our draft much, so the extra pick would be nice. I just question what type of contract he would want.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:58 PM MST up reply actions  

He's already under contract

and it’s not a very big contract either (see above).

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:23 PM MST up reply actions  

I think

there is too much talent in this draft to give up a pick for Brady. Even a 6th round pick could lose us a quality player. Maybe not a starting caliber player, but a quality player. I just don’t know if Brady is worth it. He hasn’t shown a lot in his time in the NFL. I will admit that it hasn’t been a lot of time, but still..

by Nick Cast on Mar 10, 2010 1:21 PM MST reply actions  

What did I miss about Brandstater?

Has there been any development that leads us to believe that Tom Bra…….. can’t perform?

Other than that McD didn’t put him in while Simms continued to flounder…

by Velveeta on Mar 10, 2010 1:24 PM MST reply actions  

agree

quinn is kind of a poor man’s orton and doesn’t seem to bring a whole lot (if anything over) tom b.

how much is delhomme going for these days?…

by oxmouth on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions  

I wouldn't see this as we need to replace TomB

More like we need to replace Simms. Let TomB & Quinn compete for that #2 spot.

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:24 PM MST up reply actions  

does this mean

that cleveland is taking a QB early.

by slicka on Mar 10, 2010 1:29 PM MST reply actions  

To be honest I'd much rather sign Derek Anderson

1. Don’t have to give up any draft picks
2. He has a strong arm, good size, and is mobile.
3. 29 touchdowns in 2007. If he did this for the Broncos it would be a franchise record I believe.
4. Threw some beautiful passes dropped by Braylon Edwards.

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by RockyMountainThunder on Mar 10, 2010 1:36 PM MST reply actions  

I would

be up for thinking about this. I think surrounded by appropriate talent, Derek COULD succeed

by Nick Cast on Mar 10, 2010 1:40 PM MST up reply actions  

Anderson

Yes to Anderson. No to Quinn. Both had similar chances. I’ll take the gutsy low expectation kid who did excel for one season over the high pick from ND who has done nothing.

by mark eaton on Mar 10, 2010 1:54 PM MST via mobile up reply actions   1 recs

+1

and it wouldn’t require a draft pick.

by BroncoMath101 on Mar 10, 2010 1:55 PM MST up reply actions  

Smarter

I agree that Anderson would be the smarter move, he’d be cheaper, stronger and more capable in a substitute role.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions  

You're right about #3

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:29 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton is breaking this record in 2010....heard it here first:-)

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by TJ Johnson on Mar 10, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

He'll come close

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM MST up reply actions  

He'll break it because he will have at least 2 extra games (playoffs) to add to his totals

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by BroncoSense72 on Mar 11, 2010 7:44 AM MST up reply actions  

I like how you think!

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2010 12:14 AM MST up reply actions  

Brady Quinn: Is he worth a low round pick?

%@#$. No.

Move on with Orton, Tom-B and whoever-they-draft-in-2010.

And I agree with the above, I’d rather see Anderson than Quinn.

by Gristle McThornbody on Mar 10, 2010 1:44 PM MST reply actions  

Voted no

on Quinn. Need an experienced backup QB to replace Simms. Quinn is too much of a project and there’s no evidence that he can get the job done at the NFL level.

by rocko1 on Mar 10, 2010 1:46 PM MST reply actions  

When D. Anderson doesn't feel the pressure he plays alright. His huge slump after

his big season was mainly because Braylon Edwards led the league in dropped passes. Yeah i wouldn’t consider him as a starter but if we are talking about back ups then I would much rather get Anderson for almost nothing than Quinn. Even if Quinn was also released and it didn’t cost us any draft picks I would still take Anderson in a back up role over Quinn.

by BroncoMath101 on Mar 10, 2010 1:57 PM MST reply actions  

Come all without, come all within,
You’ll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn.

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by orangeblood on Mar 10, 2010 2:00 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

No

Quinn was highly overrated in college, he failed to deliver in pretty much all the big games he played and I have seen nothing to suggest that his years in Cleveland has made him a better player.

The worry is to me that a player like that comes out of college with a certain amount of promise, and in Quinn’s case I don’t think that amount was ever that big, and he only has 2 or 3 years to get up to speed to deliver on that promise. If by year 3 you have no progressed significantly it is a good bet that you never will.

Quinn has no value to me, he will never challenge for a starter spot with a good team, he is too young and ambitious to be a valid long term backup plan and I really see no reason to give up resources for a player that Cleveland doesn’t want to keep. If they want to get rid of him let them cut him and we can make a waiver claim.

by gyldenlove on Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Do it!

I posted a mock a few months ago and incuded trading for Quinn. He would be perfect in this offense and with McD he coud be the QB of the future. Not surewhy I have this hunch but I think he can be special.

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by The 3 Amigos on Mar 10, 2010 2:24 PM MST reply actions  

A QB completing less than 53% of his passes

isn’t good in any offense. I say no.

The QB position is set.

by broncofaninIL on Mar 10, 2010 7:41 PM MST up reply actions  

No thanks

Those of you have read my QB post, which I assume isn’t many of you, know that my preference is to spend a 7th either trading for Kevin O’Connelll or drafting Western Michigan’s Tim Hiller. Is that narrow-minded? Yes, but it’s the way I feel.

Brady Quinn is a “name”. I have no use for “names”. Throughout his senior season, people saw him as the next Tom Brady until he got spanked by LSU in the Sugar Bowl. All of a sudden people started looking back and thinking “Hmm maybe he isn’t a big game QB.” Throughout the draft season people noticed imperfections. There’s a reason why QB needy teams passed on him early.

Did Quinn get a raw deal in Cleveland? No question. But no rawer than say Matt Stafford. Personally, I have nothing against Quinn but I’m a believer in giving Brandstater the #2 job and see what he has – not clouding the back-up position. I’d rather bring in, as a 3rd QB, O’Connell who McDaniels has worked with or take a fresh start with Hiller – who Denver met with in Kalamazoo.

by Vortex7 on Mar 10, 2010 2:31 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I agree

Bring in O’Connell when he gets cut this year.

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by johnnystarr on Mar 10, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions  

We can read each others posts without making everyone believe in our own views. ;-)

I’m willing to bring Quinn in to see if he has anything…if not then so be it.

Remember Tommy Maddox? Drafted in the first round by Denver, got the raw end of the stick…ended up becoming a fine backup QB and even had a few solid seasons as a starter.

I am not delisuional to think Quinn is our future…but I am trying to think of an alternative to an unproven rookie, Chris Simms, or some other expensive veteran as our backup quarterback. Tom B may be the guy that becomes our backup…if McD isn’t sold on Tom B., then why not bring in Quinn cheaply and see if McD can work his Matt Cassel magic on him. ;-)

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by Tim Lynch on Mar 10, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions  

Really?
Did Quinn get a raw deal in Cleveland? No question. But no rawer than say Matt Stafford.


I agree with you and I don’t want him. But no rawer than Stafford? Stafford throws to “Megatron”, Quinn spent most of last year throwing to……. um drawing a blank……Nobody? A return specialist, Butterfingers, and a dude named Chansi? And their starting running back was some sort of ex convict. I’ll just disagree with that.

The rest of it…screw Quinn I think. But I’ll never write the guy off. Alex Smith came back last year and played decent, note I said decent. I mean McDaniels did turn Cassel into a money man, maybe he can work his magic.

by ndrwbrgr on Mar 11, 2010 8:00 AM MST up reply actions  

Stafford had a better #1 receiver

That’s about it. The ex-convict you speak of ran for 1,300 yards and 9TD’s in Quinn’s rookie season and had another 1,000 yards the season after. Kevin Smith didn’t break 750 last year.

In terms of O-Line, if you can name who is actually protecting Stafford you’re a better man than me (It’s actually, left to right, Jeff Backus, Manny Ramirez, Dominick Raiola, Dylan Gandy, and Gosder Cherilus.) Cleveland’s right side (John St. Clair and Hank Fraley) isn’t great. But the reason Quinn was passed on by Cleveland at #3 is because they drafted Joe Thomas as their LT – a guy who has gone to the Pro Bowl in all three of his seasons. LG and C are also filled by an early 2nd rounder (Steinbach) and last year’s first rounder (Mack) my point being that the same effort Detroit made giving Stafford weapons – Cleveland made protecting Quinn. Consider Joe Thomas and Calvin Johnson equals.

Also, Stafford walked in and started Day 1 for a 0-16 team. Quinn sat behind Derek Anderson for more than a season. I agree with Tim (I’m assuming his comment was for me) that we don’t have to agree. You gave your opinion – which is valid and makes good points. That’s mine. We can both agree – no to Quinn.

by Vortex7 on Mar 11, 2010 1:26 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

1. Jamal Lewis was terrible last year. It doesn’t matter what he did in 07.

2. The right side of Cleveland’s bracket was a mess.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 11, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I don't get the consensus about Simms

Maybe he is no good. I have (practically) not seen him play but then, neither has anybody else.

by warmick on Mar 10, 2010 2:36 PM MST reply actions  

When you get pulled for a guy who is hurt badly enough to not start then you are not very good.

by Arimaris on Mar 10, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions  

We have seen him play

just not here, his injury and recovery appears to be more damaging then first thought.

by maxwellsdemon on Mar 10, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Looking at his history he was pretty inconsistent even before his injury. He’d alternate solid but not spectacular play with extremely poor play for no apparent reason.

by admill on Mar 11, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions  

Orton should hurry and sign that tender

Or we could be talking about a three way trade. Quinn to KC, Cassell to Denver, Scheff and a pick to Cleveland?

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by johnnystarr on Mar 10, 2010 2:37 PM MST reply actions  

I think Quinn gets a bad rap

A player with talent isn’t automatically going to flourish if he’s not in the right environment. Every player needs good coaches and a situation where he is put in a position to succeed, and the Browns seemed to think – the way a lot of fans do – that a hot prospect QB would just step onto the field and magically solve everything else that was wrong with the team.

I wouldn’t mind him getting a shot here in Denver, but I am wary of what we would give up for him. It would all depend on the price. But I think he’s worth the risk for a team with a good QB coach and a good OL.

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by TheMastermind on Mar 10, 2010 2:45 PM MST reply actions  

That was proven with Aaron Rodgers

Rodgers was absolute crap from his rookie season in 2005 up until the Dallas game in 2007. He was in a good situation with a prolific offense. I think Quinn would do good in Denver, eventually becoming your franchise QB. Obviously you want him to learn your offense first, but with Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall (if he stays), any QB should be lighting up the score board. I think Orton was serviceable for you guys last year, but he really did underachieve. Personally, I think Denver trading its 3rd Round pick for Brady Quinn would be worth it, and you can use your top picks elsewhere to make sure he’s in a good situation. Like mentioned earlier, if you put him in a good situation, he will have a fair chance to succeed.

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by Jabooty on Mar 12, 2010 9:53 AM MST up reply actions  

Wasn't Holmgren the original guru QB coach?

If he dosen’t think he can groom him do we really want him?

we could use that same pick on another late round QB development prospect who would be more of a blank slate for McDaniels to mould to his system without the mental baggage of losing in Cleveland.

Either way even if we do get him it adds to our diverse QB line up as we do need a male model to balance out the neckbeard :)

by Scotto on Mar 10, 2010 3:03 PM MST reply actions  

I say no to Quinn

I know he got a bad deal in Cleveland with all the changes up top, however I don’t think he would be a good pickup. He has talent as a QB, just not something to be a full starter.

In his defense though, he also had to deal with being rotated from starter to being on the bench. I mean no QB can expect to get in a rhythm when they aren’t really given a chance to play for an extended period of time. With that said and with McDaniels knowledge of the QB position, I still say no despite that he is an upgrade over Simms.

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by weazel on Mar 10, 2010 3:03 PM MST reply actions  

IMO the best thing for Quinn to do would be to go to Canada - play in the CFL.

He needs to get his confidence, rhythm and timing back. He has the tools to be an OK QB – just not now and certainly not as, IMO, a backup for the Broncos.

I said “Get him” above. I am changing my vote after thinking about him. He has 3 years of Browns non-teaching to get rid of. I hope they handle their QBs better with the new regime.

John is right, he does not have a strong arm. I don’t even think that that is the question right now. The 1st paragraph is what I think is lacking.

When McD picked up Simms, I don’t think that he dreamt that Harris would go down and expose Simms back. We need a OT that can back up either side should one of them go down. That is a better use of a draft pick than Quinn.

Thanks for your post, Zappa. Generated a lot of interest.

by Blackknigh on Mar 10, 2010 3:08 PM MST reply actions  

Super accurate?

No offense intended Seth, but he hasn’t even been consistent on the short routes from the film I’ve seen.

The QB position is set.

by broncofaninIL on Mar 10, 2010 7:44 PM MST up reply actions  

Quinn is not Orton even remotely

Bena makes sense to me (as do some others).
Quinn does not in any way fit my idea of a Bronco QB at 1st, 2nd or 3rd.
For now, I view Orton as !st, TB as 2nd, and Simms as 3rd.
Simms had a bad game in a bad situation, but I’d not trash him for that. However, he’s overpaid at 3rd. My replacement for Simms at 3rd would be (in this order I think): 1 – a cheaper Simms; 2 – Anderson (if cheaper than Simms); 3 – a late draft pick that might end up as a Cassell type (learns the system, plays well in an emergency and gets traded for draft picks) – i.e. Skelton, Hiller, et alle. I, for now, see no reason to believe that TB is not the QB of the future and Orton (who will prove to be a very competent QB with both short and long game) will eventually be traded for more draft picks.

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 10, 2010 3:38 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Rec'd your comment Ivan

Wow that is how i have been feeling but haven’t really been able to vocalize it. I can see how that makes sense.

by papasteven on Mar 10, 2010 7:05 PM MST up reply actions  

Simms

Is dead weight as #3 QB. Get a veteran that can push TB or start developing another QB that can be traded a few years down the road or promoted to 32 when Orton is gone..

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 7:16 PM MST up reply actions  

#2 not 32

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by 3nS on Mar 10, 2010 7:17 PM MST up reply actions  

For a 6th yes

I’d even do it for a 5th but alas, we have not a 5th : (

We need to replace Simms and for a 6th round pick I’d be fine letting TomB & Quinn compete for the #2 QB spot in TC & preseason. His contract is already backup QB money anyway. Not much downside the way I see it. If he doesn’t work out it won’t hurt us too bad. On the filp side, McD just might bring out the best in the kid.

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by c_style on Mar 10, 2010 3:39 PM MST reply actions  

Dont give up a 6th rd pick when you can get someone like Max Kafka

I prefer a QB who isnt more impressed by how much he can bench vs how he can be a better QB.

by Orange and Blue on Mar 10, 2010 4:17 PM MST reply actions  

If Simms is gone then yes....

otherwise no….

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by Broncotodd on Mar 10, 2010 4:48 PM MST reply actions  

Quinn was a victim of the Cleveland Browns. Don’t beleive me? Look at their awesome group of receivers he has to throw to and the Hall of Fame coaches he has gotten to work with (sarcasm)

Just wanted everyone to know that I will be a Bronco fan if Quinn is on the team.

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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 10, 2010 5:13 PM MST reply actions  

Absolutely I'll still be a Bronco fan

but I don’t like the idea of picking him up. In his first start he had Stallworth, Edwards and Winslow. While I wouldn’t say they were the greatest WR/TE threesome in history IMO he had something to work with.

The QB position is set.

by broncofaninIL on Mar 10, 2010 7:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Yea, he was good in his first start.

Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.

by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 11, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions  

upgrade from Sucks i mean simms. . .but

Just don’t think it would pan out. Brandstater is better in my opinion

by Coachbfest on Mar 10, 2010 8:14 PM MST reply actions  

I think he’s damaged goods. QB’s who start their careers in a situation like that have a hard time ever recovering.

by admill on Mar 11, 2010 8:50 AM MST reply actions  

Quinn sucks

…but no way he can be had for a 6.

by ELGee on Mar 11, 2010 4:37 PM MST reply actions  

Quinn - Fear or not to Fear !

Quinn is def. a good QB,he needs to be on a team that can give him the right chance and the right grooming.With that in mind i’d say in bout 2-3 yr’s Poss. 4 He would be a big force to be feared ! Like any QB some fit into the team drafted and some dont…..All i think is he needs tobe in/on the right team (Broncos or not) put into the right team/scheme and groom him WHO’A !

Life-Lick it !

by CR6 on Mar 12, 2010 10:29 AM MST reply actions  

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