Tangibles and the Wonderlic...how does your stud QB draft prospect measure up where it counts?
So we have some leaked results from this year's Wonderlic. This tells a good story about how well a QB's brain is for the position...and the most controversial QB prospect of all time scores a 22. Yes ladies and gentlemen, Tim Tebow outscored Vince Young by 8. So it is a good thing he has so many positive intangibles...
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I guess
Tebow’s mom didn’t prepare him for the Wonderlic during his homeschooling.
Here's where his faith messes stuff up...
They are timed…he lost so much time on each question having to ask himself “What would Jesus Say?”
(purely meant for humor)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Um, ok.
Not to be a stickler for placing information in its proper context, but 8 points is pretty significant on a 50 point scale. You also forgot to mention that his score was only 1 point below Clausen and 3 points below McCoy. Not exactly terrible company to keep.
I would welcome a rationally put together post on how well the Wonderlic predicts success as a starting QB or a critique of him as a player. I don’t know why you take such pleasure in railing against Tebow, but you are beginning to border on irrationality.
I am not a Tebow apologist and I agree with many on this site that feel that drafting him would be a mistake (at least if he ends up going as high in the draft as he is projected to go).
There was already a couple great ones done
Go back through the archives. I’m not saying the Wonderlic is the end-all-be-all of whether someone can play the game…it is another puzzle piece though.
Also, don’t excuse this in any way…it is a 50 point test. Dude didn’t even score half. That is pathetic. 8 means a lot if you are at least in the 75th percentile. When you aren’t even in the 50th percentile it doesn’t mean a whole lot at all.
I’m not taking pleasure in railing against Tebow…I just have a strong opinion on the guy’s ability, worth, and chances of playing QB at the NFL level that is backed up by oodles of logical and realistic evidence.
Really though? Me border on irrationality? That is indeed very grand! Irrationality is saying we should draft someone with SOOOOOOOOOOOOO many questions with a 2nd or 1st round pick in the draft.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Right, but keep in mind that most people don't even finish all the questions in the Wonderlic test.
The test isn’t meant to have perfect scores.
There was only one ever perfect wonderlic score. The dude was a Harvard graduate. I forget his name, off the top of my head, though.
Ryan Fitzpatrick did pretty well on it, too. 48 out of 50. He was a Harvard grad, as well. There was one question that he couldn’t finish, at the end of the 9 minute test.
The average for the QB position on the wonderlic is around a 24, so 22 isn’t terrible. It’s not like high school, where it’s a 10 point scale and you have to get above 60 to pass. It’s like the tough class in college, where half the class gets a 50 percent and they are curved to a C, at the end of the semester.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 10, 2010 4:11 PM MST up reply actions
Pat McInally
punter/wide receiver from the Bengals.
He was a 5th round pick.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 10, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
Logical?
If you are going to claim to be presenting “logical and realistic evidence”, at the very least, take the time to learn the difference between a percentile and a percentage.
http://www.dailywritingtips.com/percentage-and-percentile/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Percentile
Once you’ve wrapped your head around that, perhaps we can try to have a discussion about Tebow’s Wonderlic score and what it may or may not say about his ability to play QB at the NFL level.
???
Perhaps you should take your own advice. I meant exactly what I said…the 75th percentile would be the division of the two groups of people that either scored a 75% or better or 74% or worse.
Man I love when people who aren’t smart try to act like they are by throwing mud at someone who is.
Once you wrap your head around the difference between your A— and a hole in the ground, c’mon back and we’ll have a discussion about Wonderlics…and if you’re lucky you will get a lollipop as you come through the drive through!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Did you even bother to follow my links and read the definition of a percentile?
I meant exactly what I said…the 75th percentile would be the division of the two groups of people that either scored a 75% or better or 74% or worse.
This is NOT what bring in the 75th percentile means. Thank you for proving my point.
Being in the 75th percentile means that among all people who took an assessment, your score was in the top 25% of all scores. For example, if 100 people took the test, your score score would be the 25 score from the top if the scores were put in decreasing order.
This is significantly different from scoring 75% on an assessment. If there were 100 questions on a test and you got 75 questions correct, then this would mean that you scored 75%. Your score is computed by the proportion of the questions you actually got correct.
You may view this as me being smug and academic, but the point is a serious one, and has to do with how we think about numbers and how we assign reasonable meaning to them. A percentage is an absolute measurement of how many responses a person got correct. A percentile is a comparative statistic that measures how your score compared to those of others.
Imagine a test that nearly everyone who took it got 100% of the answers correct. Now imagine one so difficult that nearly everyone got 0% on it. These extremes are why raw % scores can be poor measures and why using a comparative rating like a percentile is a better way of assigning meaning to the results of an exam.
I will leave you to ponder this along with the wisdom of your previous post.
That hasn't leaked yet
But that’s because he isn’t a big story. I’m sure it will come out eventually though
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Manning 28 Cutler 26
If Manning got a 28, 22 from Tebow doesn’t sound that bad.
Well, I think we're missing the real issue here.
Bradford whooped all these guys with a 36.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 11, 2010 3:17 AM MST reply actions
Well.....
Dan Marino and Jim Kelly (both 15) and an established star such as Donovan McNabb (14) of the Philadelphia Eagles. So I am not sure I would read to much into it.
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