5 Players The Broncos Should Avoid In The 1st Round Of The 2010 Draft
by Nick Cast on Mar 11, 2010 2:09 AM MST
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Every GM, Coach, and Owner shutter in their boots at the thought of spending millions of dollars on a player that ends up having character problems, bad work ethics, or talent that just doesn't translate in the NFL. We have had our fair share of these kinds of players during the Shannahan era. Hopefully, we will will reduce the amount of those kind of players with McDaniels. It is too early to tell how the class of 09 stacks up, but it is just about time to start looking at the players that we should stay away from.
Terrence Cody
With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select a guy who can't stop ordering double cheeseburgers!? I used to be in favor with drafting Cody. He has the potential to be a strong Nose Tackle in this league. However, Sayre said something on one of my mock drafts that was so obvious that I didin't even think of it. It made me realize whoever picks him is taking a big risk. He said, (paraphrased) "What kind of a player shows up to the biggest interview of his life, out of shape?" It is simple statement that sums up why we should not take Cody. He has always had trouble with his weight. Throughout college his coach could not get him to keep his weight under control. He fluctuated all throughout college. He is too much of a risk and Denver does not have the luxury to draft a risk.
Carlos Dunlap
With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select the typical "athleticism of a pro bowler, but character of a child" style of player. Carlos Dunlap has freakish athletic ability. He ran the 40 yard dash at 4.71 speed. He is 6 ft 6 and 277 pounds. He has all the tools to succeed. However, there have been questions as to how much effort he really gives on the field. He also got a DUI in December of 2009. We already have one Florida bust in Jarvis Moss. We don't need another in Carlos Dunlap.
Jason Pierre-Paul
With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select a guy who is being drafted based solely on potential. How many guys have been drafted based on potential, but the potential never equated to anything? After just 1 year of Division 1 football, Pierre-Paul blew up the football scene and recorded a whopping 45 tackles and 6.5 sacks in 2009. (That last sentence was sarcastic just in case you couldn't tell) He has the potential to be a dominant defensive end in this league, but when you draft someone based on potential, there is always a risk. With the Broncos, it is an unnecessary one.
Rolando McClain
With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select an intense linebacker with plenty of experience in the 3-4 scheme. If somebody would have said that yesterday, I would have been thrilled and commented on how I couldn't agree more. However, today McClain revealed that he has Crohn's disease. It immediately turned me off to McClain. It's amazing how 1 little thing can totally change your perspective. Let me make myself clear, I think whoever drafts McClain is going to get a great player with a bright future. However, with the 11th pick, I just don't know if McClain is worth the risk anymore. If a doctor were to state that this disease would not affect his playing at all then I would reconsider.
Dez Bryant
With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select a wide receiver with more character questions then Brandon Marshall, Al Davis, and O.J. Simpson combined. Okay maybe that is a little extreme, but you get my point. For a player who is supposed to be the best wide receiver in the draft, he has shown that whoever is going to get him is just going to get problems instead. On top of being suspended for all of 2009 for lying about his interactions with Deon Sanders, it has been reported that he often showed up late for team-activities and even games. If we trade Brandon Marshall, we will have a glaring need at wide receiver, but I would rather draft a receiver in every round of the draft then draft Dez Bryant.
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The Chiefs
Will be picking these players.
1-Eric Berry FS
2- Golden Tate WR
2b- J.D Walton C
3-Linval Joseph NT
4-Micah Johnson ILB
Then 3 more in the 5TH
You Chefs will probably have another 4th rounder when you trade away Glenn “Ryan Sims” Dorsey. Maybe you can add a 5th for HGH Bowe.
In my opinion.
Now that's in poor taste.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 11, 2010 7:30 AM MST up reply actions
Don’t worry, you won’t have to watch the Chefs go 4-12 in 2010, The games will continue to be blacked out in the Kansas City MSA.
Of course you could buy a ticket and sit with the other 21,000 fans that usually depart around half time.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Mar 11, 2010 7:32 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I guess you can't understand the concept of a team rebuilding
After this years draft we will be set for the future.
How many years have the chiefs been rebuilding now?
Are you guys putting in a skywalk or something?
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 7:40 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I'm pretty sure this is the 3 year.
You also have to take into consideration that this process is going on thru major Coaching changes, and a new GM. Now that we have one of the best GM’s and one the best coaching staff’s , working together for the upcoming draft, laugh if you want to. So IMO this year the Chiefs will be alot better and next year, TOP of the division.
haha, I'm messing with you, CC.
I actually think you guys are moving in the right direction, now. Charles and Jones are going to be scary next year.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 7:49 AM MST up reply actions
haha, no worries. I answered it, anyways.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 8:01 AM MST up reply actions
It's funny that you guy's seem to forget.
That this shitty team took your team out of the playoff’s finishing the season on a up note, how did that work out for you guy’s?
Actually, we would have missed out, even if we beat you guys.
Either way, our run defense needs to improve if we wanna stop Charles and Jones. We were lit up with Charles, only, in week 17. Now, you guys go ahead and bring in a 1400 yard 14 TD back from the jets, in addition to Charles…… It’s like you guys are trying to make a good football team or something….
What’s the deal with that? lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 7:58 AM MST up reply actions
With the advances in modern medicine, you've got plenty of time.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions
Hey, look on the bright side
At least your team has been to the dance and won it. It could be worse — we could all be charger fans. There’s something we can all agree on.
by BroncosBassist on Mar 11, 2010 8:04 AM MST up reply actions
Even though I know it was hypothetical, just the thought of myself as a charger fan made me throw up in my mouth a little bit.....
So…. thanks for that BB. lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 8:10 AM MST up reply actions
Sorry
Hope you weren’t eating. I didn’t mean to turn anyone’s stomach. :)
lol
by BroncosBassist on Mar 11, 2010 8:14 AM MST up reply actions
haha, no worries.
Taco Bell for breakfast probably didn’t help, either. How can I resist when Eddie Royal tells me to go there? Plus, they are cheap, quick, and…… cheap.
That’s how they get you. They make it cheap, up front…… but you pay later in the evening. (if you know what I mean)
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 8:18 AM MST up reply actions
lol
Potty humor and charger bashing all in one thread? This rules.
by BroncosBassist on Mar 11, 2010 8:25 AM MST up reply actions
hahaha, absolutely.
IMO, Chargers and crap go hand in hand.
Hold on, let me rephrase that….
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 8:28 AM MST up reply actions
You should give this a try
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Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
hahaha
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 10:33 AM MST up reply actions
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knocked us out
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by the new Bradfather on Mar 11, 2010 3:52 PM MST up reply actions
80% Correct
McClain’s medical condition has not affected him thus far, and with all the medical advancements and monitoring that is available at the NFL level, who is to say it will (see Garrard as example). Thats not to say that it won’t in the future, and there is still risk involved with drafting him, but I would not be opposed to picking him up with #11. If we could trade down to the 15-20 range and still get him, that would be even better, but I don’t see him lasting longer than that. If Mcdaniels and crew like this guy, they will pick him up. Just because we only found out about his condition now doesn’t mean they just found out also. I don’t believe McClain has ever missed a collegiate game, and he has always played at a high level, so until someone qualified tells me otherwise, Im not giving up on this guy.
I was not a big fan of McClain at #11 before this came out.
This actually explains some things about his play. His limitations will not get better in the NFL they will get worse. I agree no McClain.
I just don't see how you dish out the 1st round millions to a guy with this type of risk...
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by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 11, 2010 5:39 AM MST up reply actions
Doc Bear and Ponderosa didn't like drafting him and they are both Doctors.
So, I’m gonna trust their judgement on this one and hope we pass on McClain.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 11, 2010 6:16 AM MST up reply actions
I was
definitely in favor of drafting McClain at 11. I actually thought he would be drafted before our position in the draft. However, now that this information has leaked, I think he is all but locked up to fall in this draft. If we wanted to draft McClain then I think we can trade down and pick him up. I don’t want to waste that # 11 pick. If we are going to pick somebody who will be available in the 20’s then I hope we trade back and pick up additional picks. For now, I don’t think it would be the smartest move to pick him up at 11.
This info did not 'just leak'..
per NFLN at the all team representatives where notified of this. Mayock mentioned that team Pro Personnel Directors knew of this his freshman year.
NAH I still take Rolando McClain at #11
I'd take Cody in a heartbeat
The guy is a beast. He’s already lost 21lbs this offseason.
Its easy for us to sit and criticize when we have no clue whats going on behind the doors. There couldve been an injury that caused him to gain weight. At this point we just dont know.
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Coach Saben had to coax him to lose that.
There is no guarantees that he won’t balloon up once he is drafted. Vince Wilfork looks like a tub of lard too, with a 60" waist, but he handles it well, so if Cody could do that then sure why not, because he is athletic, we do know that much…
He probably became bulimic for a few weeks and just threw it all up.
Losing that much weight in a short amount of time is not healthy. If he had been working out hard he probably wouldn’t have lost it as fast because he would have been simultaneously building muscle which is heavier than fat.
by BroncoMath101 on Mar 11, 2010 9:45 AM MST up reply actions
True
Losing that much weight makes him more of a concern to me than if he kept it on.
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Nah man
A bloke that weight just needs to hit the streets for a few weeks. That kind of weight loss isn’t unheard of when you weigh 3 bucks 70.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Mar 11, 2010 10:18 AM MST up reply actions
He has
always gained weight and then lost it. He should never have gained weight if he wanted to make a good impression. It would have shown how dedicated he is. He showed up way out of shape. He is a beast when he is in his prime condition. But that is only 20% of the season. We don’t need to waste the 11th pick on somebody who is in his best condition for 20% of the season.
by Nick Cast on Mar 11, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
KC will pick McClain....
They always go for the reach…. Look at there last 2-3 picks; Dorsey (bust), T Jackson ((bust). Even their OT wasn’t the best. Now they’re picking up convicts like Shaun Smith ad an answer to Broncos selection of J Williams (really?). Even Matt Cassel looks to be another BIG overpaid bust. Brady Quinn would’ve been better and cheaper with more upside and much more experience….at least Quinn started in college, Cassel could beat out Matt Leinart? Poor Chiefs!!!!!
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Defending Cassel
C’mon guy, be fair. Cassel had one start at USC, at halfback!
LOL
No way the “DON” Pioli draft’s McClain, unless we trade down. If we get stuck at #5 at will most likely be Berry, Okung, Bulaga, or he might go NT D.Williams.
I disagree with you on Dorsey and Jackson, with a good NT it could make all the difference getting more one on one’s and the LB’s have clear lanes’ to run in. How you think S.Smith is a answer to J.Williams is beyond me, but T.Jones, and J.Charles could be. There is also talk of drafting Suh and trading Dorsey for a 2nd and a 5th.
I don’t really like Cassel either but, i can say he’s better than Orton. If the Chiefs are so shitty explain how you lost a chance to go to the play-offs to such a bad team. We can tell how good your team is by their lack luster effort.
KC would be lucky to get a 5th for Glenn “bust” Dorsey. Might be able to get a 4th rounder for Tyson Jackson.
In my opinion.
What's the matter CPT.Caveman, Matt Conners not writting anymore pep rally posts over there at AH?
He’s not attacking our head coach anymore? Well I hope you guys have a wonderful season this year, just not at our expense.
KC lost five of its final six games. They won ONE home game all season. No wins vs playoff teams. Late season home losses to Buffalo and Cleveland. WE CAN BUILD ON THIS! If you guys are headed in the right direction, it’s not apparent. And did you actually say KC has a great coaching staff? LOL!
I’m not comparing KC to Denver. I’m pointing out that KC is terrible and their recent draft misses on Glenn Dorsey, Bowe, Fat Alberts, and possibly Tyson Jackson, are not helping matters for the long term outlook.
On the plus side, J Charles is really good. I’m glad the Chefs signed Jones so that Charles won’t be getting as many carries. Please take that weapon off the field.
In my opinion.
Your not comparing KC to Denver, OK
I’m not arguing the fact that my team sucked last year, and so did most of the coaching, in fact i don’t think the Chiefs played as a team until week 17.
Your first paragraph, only proves my point,and that is your team is worse. The Chiefs have C.Weis OC, R.Crennel DC, who was it that you have? Weis helps Cassel become a better QB, and Crennel improves our “D” 10 fold.
I disagree with you on Dorsey and Jackson, with a good NT it could make all the difference, getting more one on one’s and the LB’s have clear lanes’ to run in. Until we have a good NT that can take up 2 blockers will never really know what we have at the DE spot’s.
Bowe is going to be fine,most of his problem is think that he’s open every play, and Cassel thinking to much and not throwing to him at all.
B.Alberts is just fine in fact he has better stats than players that went to the pro-bowl,and T.Hali sure like’s going against your guy who is just so great.
So what your saying about how those guys are bust’s is false and unproven. In fact if you look up stats for Dorsey they are comparable to some of the better DE at the start of their career’s. Prove it with fact’s not not your opinion which means nothing. FAIL…………………….
by CPT.Caveman on Mar 11, 2010 11:07 AM MST up reply actions
Wait, wait...wait
Are you delusional right now? KC is better than Denver?
Please share the green you are smoking, because it must be outrageous.
From reading your various posts on this thread, you seem to think that because of the season-ending loss to KC, Denver is a worse team. That is almost borderline insanity. Did you have the same feeling after we wiped the field with KC in Arrowhead? Did you forget that we didn’t have our best WR playing that last game? Or that Jabar Gaffney had a career day?
I’m losing brain cells just writing this, because your thought process is making everyone else stupid.
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Keep living in the past.
The last game we played we kick your teams ass now get over it, and we were the better team. How I’m the idiot he is beyond me when your team lost.
It doesn’t matter who was on the field Zogernaut, Bowe wasn’t playing the first time we played either, so i guess that’s why we lost the first game.
How I'm the idiot he is beyond me...
That sentence alone justifies my point.
Have fun in the lottery next yr, b
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If the DT's go with the first two picks
then Tampa most definitely will be looking at Berry, so I don’t see him falling to you… And in what perfect world do you see yourself actually having any shot at Suh??? He will be gone by pick #3… I guess you could trade away all of you picks to move up two spots.
Cassel better than Orton?
What makes you think that? Is it his 2900 yards, 16 TD’s &16 INTS in ‘09 compared to Orton’s 3800 yds, 21 TD’s & 12 INTS? Or perhaps it’s his 14-16 record as a starter compared to Orton’s 29-18 record as a starter?
The only area that I can see that Cassel has Orton beat is his contract. Cassel is due to make $12M from the Chiefs in 2010. Compare that to Orton’s tender contract amount of $2.5M in 2010.
Cassel being better than Orton is a hard argument to make even for unbiased parties. An argument could be made that they are about equal on the field. One thing is certain though, Cassel dang sure isn’t $9.5M per year better than Orton.
Orton for $2.5M or Cassel for $12M? Who would you rather have?
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by c_style on Mar 11, 2010 10:57 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
+1
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Ditto
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Good point
I never really liked the trade for Cassel to begin with, but like you guys your stuck with what you get, although if Cassel is a bust, we will be alot more butt sore than you guys. I have to give Cassel this year to see if he can prove himself with better players around him. That being said we have to get someone to catch the damn ball. Orton has had how many try’s at being the starter? He’s not that bad of a QB,but i don’t think Orton is a franchise QB, nor is Cassel IMO
I am 60% in agreement.
1. McClain’s production has not obviously been hampered by his condition. His workout yesterday was excellent (4.6 to 4.7 40 times). He has not missed games, to my knowledge. If there are varying degrees of the disease, maybe he has smaller concerns than others who are inflicted with it. All I am saying is we need more information. I can picture a scenario where we pass on him and end up regretting it.
2. Cody’s weight is not that big of a concern to me, other than his long-term health. I view his production to be lacking in terms of being an early first rounder. I like him as a late or early second rounder though. #11 would be too early for him, I think.
3. I agree with you on everyone else. Dunlap has a lot of rumors circulating about him and I would need to know more, but I am mildly intrigued by him.
McClain
Was going to be a reach at 11 anyway just because he’s an inside LB. One of the ESPN guys tweeted yesterday that a NFL GM complained of McClain taking plays off. Now we can understand why. Chrones can be a progressive disease and flareups come with stress. I’d say he’d be under a lot more stress in the NFL where physical attributes alone won’t get you through.
I feel for the guy, my sister has chrones and lived with the pain and lived a normal life until around 40.
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Stress
May cause flare-ups. Not always.
by AlexSmith5280 on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 AM MST up reply actions
I
agree with you that we need more information. But for me, unless we get more information, then i think he is too risky too draft. Like I said, if a doctor came out and said “McClain will be fine, the disease will not affect his play or his productivity” then I say we draft him. But unless someone says that I think he is too risky.
Pick Options at 11
I’d take any of the following at 11:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Eric Berry, Joe Haden, Rolando McClain, Brandon Graham, Dan Williams, Mike Iupati, Earl Thomas, Sean Weatherspoon, Kyle Wilson.
Some may slide to us, some are a reach, but these are 11 to pick from there, and i’d be happy.
I agree,
though it will be hard and borderline foolish to pass on McClain/Bryant at 11. I don’t like the three others you’ve put on here though, and I agree with most of what you’ve said.
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Im not sure
it’s borderline foolish to pass on Bryant. McClain? maybe. But not Bryant. That guy has more red flags then anybody i’ve ever seen coming into the draft. If Denver were to interview him, they would have to make a list for all the things they need to ask him about. He also sounds like the type of player to hold out. No thanks, I’d rather take a risk on McClain.
I don't think
that Bryant’s interviews went to well at the combine. I seem to hear something about a bit of an attitude there and that he actually left the combine early. Can’t remember where I heard it but haven’t been all that impressed with him either.
McClain is a great football player and we’d be crazy not to consider this guy with the 11th pick.
Cutler has freaking diabetes. It is not like either he or McClain is on their death bed.
I hate the idea of drafting Dez Bryant. We are begging for a hold out and wasted 1st season. Plus, he is not even that good.
In my opinion.
I agree,
I mean I know people with Crohn’s disease….its not anything LIKE Diabetes and how severs IS his case? Besides…if Mcclain is the trooper, team first player type that we all want and need…a little stomach pain won’t shut him down or hamper him TOO much.
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That's the problem DenB it's not a little pain when it is inflamed.
The pain can be excruciating at times. My father had it.
Then
would you agree with me that stress causes flare ups and he will see more flareups in the NFL?
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Amen
I was and still am more alarmed about an athlete with Diabetes than I am regarding an athlete with Chron’s. If the Chron’s was anything to be worried about, it would have seriously hindered him from playing competitive football, it would have happened years ago before he was even considered to be a top linebacker prospect in the draft. With this condition, your body adjusts with what you do, and I am assured that he will be just fine in the pros.
by AlexSmith5280 on Mar 11, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions
Maybe
I’m a pharmacist. Crohn’s – in my experience – is a lot more hit and miss than diabetes. The patients I know who have Crohn’s seem to be all over the map – even if they are diligent with meds and diet. The diabetics that I know (who are under good control … read: eat smartly) can get really tight control.
Stress effects both diseases – but it seems even more so with Crohn’s. Obviously, I don’t have the guys chart in front of me but I certainly think he’s worth considering at #11. But, we need to know more. He did well in the pressure cooker that is Alabama football so I hold high hopes that he’ll hold up as an elite linebacker for us.
I like him a lot as a prospect. But, I’ll admit, it makes me pretty nervous that this just popped up now because, if it progresses, it could definitely have a negative effect on his career.
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I'm getting a kick out of how many untrained 'experts' are chiming in
Over time, Crohn’s tends to exacerbate – get worse. People who talk about their aunt are right, as far as that goes – but that’s not far. McClain has been experiencing a flare for at least 3 days. The stresses of college football, even at Alabama, don’t compare to the NFL. Crohn’s is a very different type of chronic disease and it has very little to do with diabetes. Just obtaining the necessary nutrition for an NFL career is extremely difficult with this disease.
People have pointed to Garrard and tried to claim that this somehow means that McClain will be Ok. It’s not a rational conclusion. Folks can think (and make up) whatever they want, but the young man’s odds are poor on living comfortably with this and even worse on managing an NFL career with it. Is it possible? Sure. Is it likely? No. That should come into the draft choice.
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I may not be a doctor,
but there are plenty of articles from doctors who specialize in this stuff who don’t seem to think the odds are quite as stacked against McClain as you appear to believe. This article suggests that most people (including professional athletes) are able to manage the disease and participate in sports. It does appear that there is always the risk of a particular treatment becoming ineffective and the individual suffering a major incident, so the diagnosis definitely adds an extra element of risk to McClain. But there have been a number of professional athletes and Olympians who have managed the disease and had long, successful careers. Here is a list of some notable people with the disease.
key words
Is it possible? Yes. Is it likely? No.
The guy is already experiencing extended periods of flare ups. These are going to become more frequent and more severe over time. He might be able to have a normal career for a couple of years but the likelyhood of a prolonged career (even in the short career of NFL players) is very unlikely. Are there exceptions? Yes. Maybe and hopefully he will be 1. Gambling on that exception in the NFL poker game called the draft is a big risk!
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I'm just wondering
what the support is for the idea that he will likely not be able to live comfortably, let alone have a successful nfl career. Just based on what little I have read, it seems to me like the more accurate hierarchy regarding an nfl career not significantly affected by the disease would be: possible, yes; likely, yes; certain, no. That second article I linked to talked about an NFL player who suffered a major incident mid-career, but was back playing the next year stronger and healthier than ever. Granted, he was a kicker, but I think it shows that even a major incident wouldn’t necessarily be career-ending.
From my experience
with my sister. She was able to do her job for a long time and noone even knew she was sick. Was she comfortable? NO. One thing is true that after surgery it takes time to get back to the point of being a problem. Eventually, it was the side effects of the drugs to control the disease that debilitated her.
I saw on Dr. Oz one day an expert on CFS (which I have) say that it is now fully treatable and not debilitating. The expert is wrong. So although, experts have an educated opinion, it is not always true.
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My 50 year old Aunt will be kicking your ass shortly, LOL
I do have to disagree with you though, I am not a medical doctor, but I think placing the odds as unlikely manageing an NFL career can be somewhat uniformed the other way. We really don’t know one way or another what effects if any this disease will have on McClain and how his career will go. The disease affects people differently and can have severly adverse affects to one person and not to another. Simply stating that it is “unlikely” without knowing a definative diagnoses or McClain’s medical history is also not a rational conculsion.
All we can say is that it does not appear that this disease has had an adverse affect on him playing football up until this point in his career, we could make an educated guess and say it appears that he has developed a way to manage the affects of the disease and hopefully the medical staff of whatever team would work dilegently to help him to continue to manage the affects, and so the risk is there, but appears to be managable.
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But it has
had an adverse effect on his football career. His pro day and the combines.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Maybe
But I guess the question is what risk value do you assign for the desease, would it be any worse than say Ray Maualugu coming up lame at the combine, some would argue that showed he was out of shape and not committed, and increased his risk factor. People seemed to ignore the 4 years of game tape and let him slip into the 2nd round, does this diagnose make McClain slip, maybe, but I think you have a hard time assigning a greater risk to him considering he has game tape to show what type of player he is and how he can manage this disease.
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difference
Maualuga’s injury was temporary, McClain’s illness is permanent and progressive.
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Living in South Florida, I got to see a lot of Jason Pierre-Paul. He is really good – super quick. He was better than his more heralded teammate George Selvie.
I don’t think he fits Denver’s 3-4, but I do think a 4-3 team will be thrilled to have him. I hope he does not end up in Oakland.
Dark horse guys for Denver to consider at 11: Earl Thomas and Jimmy Clausen.
At this point, my best case scenario is that is that Joe Haden falls to us.
In my opinion.
I'm starting to agree with you on the #11, McG
Haden seems like the most sure pick, but what are the odds that he falls that far? Especially with this new McClain revelation. Not sure we need a 1st round Safety in Thomas, but who knows? I definitely think that McBath will be the read deal in a year or so, but I’m not 100% sold that Bruton will fully develop into a starting safety. (at least he’s already a special teams monster, though)
by BroncosBassist on Mar 11, 2010 8:02 AM MST up reply actions
Since day one, I’ve been on the draft Haden bandwagon. Maybe Alphonso Smith surprises us all and becomes a legit NFL player, but he will NEVER be a #1 shut down CB. Haden could be and Bailey and/or Goodman are not long for Denver.
Haden’s slow 40 time is exactly what Denver needed. Now we just need him to run slow at his pro day so he falls to us.
There are so many LTs in this draft that could go in the Top 10, I think there is a good chance we’ll have some nice players to select at 11.
In my opinion.
I tend to agree with you on these points McG
But NEVER is too strong of a word there. The same thing could have been said about Nnamdi Asomugha after his rookie season.
2003 – OAK – 15 games played, 28 tackles, 20 solo, 0 sacks, 0 passes defensed, 0 INT’s
I’m not saying that Smith will turn into a #1 shut down CB. Just saying that NEVER isn’t the correct term there as no one knows what lies ahead. It may seem unlikely from what we saw of Smith from his rookie year but it seemed unlikely that Nnamdi would turn into that as well.
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I like McBath, but Earl Thomas seems like a great player with a ton of play making ability. Why not pair them.
In my opinion.
Not so high on Thomas
But he would be a nice addition. I’d rather take Taylor Mays if we’re going for a safety.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 11, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
I think your right McG and Tennesssee has been watching him.
The landscape is changing nearly every day for the top 10 and Jimmy Clausen, Joe haden or Earl Thomas could all be there. Especially Earl Thomas.
I agree
with you on Haden. If he drops to us then we should strongly consider taking him. Not so sure about Earl. I think I would rather have Mays, but that’s just my opinion. If Clausen fell all the way to 11 I think McD would def be tempted
I will cry if we pick up Dez Bryant... I wanna see Dan Willams get picked with No 11
Nothing like Beef on the D line
I think Losh is a little smarter than that Chuk...
Joe Haden CB might fall in our laps or Derrick Morgan DE. I’m not against taking Dan Williams and if he is chosen I’ll be as happy as most around here, but I don’t know now since we brought in Jamal Williams.
There are some you missed broncoTILLIDie
Anthony Davis may be another one, not showing up to his proday sent up a red flag that might hurt his draft status. Said he wasn’t feeling well? Hmm…How about ballooning out, munching on Burger King all day every day…
I tend to agree, but I would say McCalin is an interesting example
While the disease doesn’t bother me so much, my Aunt has it and is very fit and a yoga instructor, what nothers me more is that McClain didn’t show up at the combine for drills and then pulled up at his pro day, I understand that should not be a determining factor, but it makes me wonder how committed he is. I also wonder how much of McClain success was due to playing behind Cody and the rest of the Bama line that basically dominated the line of scimmage and kept McClain clean. I rather have witherspoon because I think he could play any of the LB positions and be a force.
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Cody
While I agree Cody is too big a risk at 11 to guarentee him that type of money, I wouldn’t have too much of an issue if we dropped back and drafted him late in the 1st round or early second, I think his risk vs reward at that point makes him a solid pick. I really would be surprised though if he falls past Pittsburgh, I could see them drafting him to spell Hampton and become the heir apparent there.
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No way.
If we trade back in round 1, that trade would be for Pouncy or Ipupti (SP).
I’m starting to get the impression from several draft experts that Pouncy is possibly the best or one of the best C prospects to ever enter the draft.
If that is truly the case, the 11th overall pick would be well spent on such a prospect that could center your line at an All Pro level for the next 12 years. If Pouncy is THAT good, he may actually be the guy McX is targeting at 11th overall. Why else would we cut Weigmann and not sign a replacement?
In my opinion.
I am praying that we end up with Pouncy
To me C is by far our most pressing area of need. If he’s the real deal (which it’s sounding more & more like he is) I would not mind taking him at 11 either. No matter how it’s done, bring this kid in McX!
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by c_style on Mar 11, 2010 11:30 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Pouncy at 11 may very well be what McD is up to. I’ve read a few recent mocks from experts that seem to indicate the middle of round 1 where he is rated as a prospect. He’d have to be a one of a kind C to get picked that high, but I’m starting to get the feel that scouts may view him that way.
He plays our most immediate position of need and coming from the SEC, he’d be as ready as any college player to step into the pros. He plays against other future pros every week.
Pouncy at #11. You heard McGeorge call this one first.
That said, I’d still rather have Haden at 11.
In my opinion.
Haden is the future Champ Bailey.
Alphonso Smith is the future Darrian Gordan or Tory James.
But I think we may have our sights on Pouncy. Maybe we let Marshall go for the 14th pick and use that one on Pouncy.
A 1st round of Haden and Pouncy should address two starter spots for the next decade.
In my opinion.
It's such a tough call
Position of need vs BPA. We could reach a bit with Pouncey at 11 and get a potential all pro C for a decade. Or we could go with Haden and get a future replacement for Bailey. It depends on who the scouts believe is more of a sure thing I guess.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 11, 2010 6:23 PM MST up reply actions
Agree 100%
with you McG. If we trade back into the late 1st round we NEED to grab Pouncy. He is going to be a star.
Pouncey will be gone
in the 16-22 range.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 11, 2010 6:12 PM MST up reply actions
If he is good enough to be considered mid 1st round, why not address this need at 11.
If a C can get picked at 16, which is really high for interior O-line, why not 11.
I don’t know much about him, but what I’ve read makes me think he is unique C and one of the best to enter the draft in a LONG time.
Would be nice to have a great C.
In my opinion.
Broncos work out Pike and Gilyard
Not too sure how excited about either of these guys. Hopefully the link works.
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Agreed ...
Pike has always underwhelmed me.
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