Broncos release LB Andra Davis, DT J'Vonne Parker
by John Bena on Mar 11, 2010 3:51 PM MST
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The Denver Broncos continue to make over a defensive front-7 that was scorched during the final weeks of the season. The latest to go is ILB Andra Davis. Davis started the season strong, but like many on the Broncos defensive front wore down as the season went on.
"It was definitely disheartening," Davis said. "But I've been in the game, this is my ninth year, and I've seen a lot of guys get that phone call and get that conversation. I have no ill-feelings towards the Broncos. I wish them the best.
While all the attention the final week of the season was on the soap opera that was the Brandon Marshall/Tony Scheffler situation, the Broncos defense gave up over 300 yards on the Kansas City Chiefs. Perhaps it should come as no surprise that since that game the Broncos have completely revamped the defensive line - signing DE Justin Bannan, DE Jarvis Green and DT Jamal Williams. Now the focus has shifted to the linebacking corps.
I know some here were happy with Davis play while I was critical of the signing, having watched him here in Cleveland. After eating crow for the 1st half of the season after Davis impressed, I was gradually disappointed by his play. The inside backers have to make the plays in the run game in a 304 defense and today's move, combined with the moves of the past week, say the Broncos were not happy with how that triangle performed over the final weeks of the season.
"I respect how they handled it, letting me go now instead of waiting till later on. They gave me that respect. I really want to thank all the fans for their support and welcoming me and my family. It's a great town. That's going to be one of the hardest parts knowing we're going to have to leave here." The Broncos also released defensive tackle J'Vonne Parker.
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thanks for the good season Andra Davis
When Peyton Hillis falls from a boat into a body of water......Peyton Hillis doesn't get wet, water gets Peyton Hillis'd
So long Andra
Upgrades are still coming. =)
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Agreed KK...I'm quite sure that the "Plan" will continue to reveal itself, up to and through the Draft!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 11, 2010 4:02 PM MST up reply actions
yes…if only we knew what exactly the “Plan” is for the C and ILB positions
by black_knight101 on Mar 11, 2010 4:03 PM MST up reply actions
I'm just trying to think of it Christmas...
We all have an idea of what we want but won’t really know for sure until we take off the wrapper.
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 11, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
re: plan at ILB
I won’t try to spin the release of Davis but ILB is a position where vets and draftees are plentiful. Low demand has made pickups easy to find and cheap.
AD showed me something but the real dilemma is whether we can afford 2-down LBs. The 9 LBs we used last year didn’t show enough versatility. And I’ll point the finger at Woodyard, too, even though I like him. We need LBs who show a greater range of skills and less weaknesses. The roster target number doesn’t allow us to carry many (or very few) specialists, and the most needed skills are pass coverage and pass rushing.
I’m not diminishing the need for run stopping but it’s not a particularly valuable trait if it’s unaccompanied by pass coverage and QB rushing ability. Moreover, like our situation with DBs last year, decreasing our reliance on the LBs for run stopping, which we’ve done by adding to the DL, means that our emphasis should be away from adding that trait at LB. We should be adding a compensatory trait — i.e., pass coverage a pass rushing. To do otherwise duplicates the abilities of our recent additions.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Mar 11, 2010 4:50 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
Titans LB Keith Bulluck
would be a great veteran signing for ILB if he’s gonna be healthy
He’s been a 4-3 WLB for a while, but he’s a tackling machine who’s fairly big and sheds blocks well. I could see him as a 3-4 ILB.
This is, of course, only if he’s healthy enouhg from rehabbing his torn ACL.
thoughts?
by bailey disciple on Mar 11, 2010 4:59 PM MST up reply actions
i would not mind at all
with the injury though he would need to come at a reasonable price
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
don't know NFL personnel well enought to say on Bullock
I’d hope that we’re covered now. We could use a vet but I’d like to see us draft an ILB and get a little younger on defense. The ILBs in the draft aren’t given their due. They aren’t bad, they just aren’t playing a position of value. A late riser such as Donald Butler could easily fill out the position.
I think we’re looking to get younger and faster this year after looking to get experienced last year. It’s less of a statement on Andra Davis than one on the existing talent, their improvement, and what we lack in our LB corps as a whole.
no goats, no glory.
Very well said, Colinski. Rec'd
I’m not surprised on Parker who was never really more than an afterthought. Davis was a class act from the moment that he arrived, and the more I found out about him, the better I liked him – and still do. But his play just couldn’t maintain, and I’m glad the office dealt with it and are moving on. I look forward to seeing what they have in mind.
I’m a little surprised on the Le Kevin Smith signing, though. I really never saw him performing at a high level, but perhaps with his knees healed they think that he can be part of the rotation.
It all starts with the lines
I agree about Le Kevin Smith.
Not only did his performance underwhelm, there didn’t seem to be the passion or effort either. I also seem to recall some attitude problems in the locker room attributed to him, but perhaps I’m misremembering. Perhaps it was all injury recovery related.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
From the outside looking in
I kind of scratch my head at signing “TheKevin” and releasing Peterson.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
lol
the kevin……this falls under the “what were they thinking category.”
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 11, 2010 7:35 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Do you think Wink
likes Josh Barrett as ILB?
by Broncolorado on Mar 11, 2010 6:13 PM MST up reply actions
yes, Barrett and Woodyard are big nickels
I posted this last spring. Barrett lines up at Ted (in the location) in some formations. And it’s about pass coverage — mostly. I really don’t think Davis was that bad, although I’m not deny a late slump. A better clue is when you see statistics for how often he was in pass coverage (virtually never).
no goats, no glory.
You might be right!
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
Thanks for your efforts and leadership Andra...Here's to you getting a new gig soon!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
This signals,
to me at least, that Ayers is going to start. The Broncos spent a first rounder on him.
To Davis though: Thanks for the good season.
Do they relate?
Ayers very much OLB, David very much ILB. Not sure that there is a link as you lay it out?
by Bradoncadonc on Mar 11, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions
That's intriguing
I initially thought he would play Davis’s position, and I think he could be quite good at it. But the problem with it is twofold: can Haggan handle the inside, and is Ayers ready to start?
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I see it this way...
We simply have too many elephant types and needed to spread them around in order to get more pass coverers and rushers into the LB corps.
To repeat myself — we had 4 ILBs but Davis had to come out on 3rd downs. It’s fairly ridiculous to use 4 ILBs and only have one 3-down player, two if you include Larsen. We simply weren’t getting a wide enough spread of traits. We got one full-time player out of 4 ILBs. If Larsen could take away the 2-down responsibility from Davis and Haggan could take some of the ILB duties then we could stretch existing personnel much farther. We could reduce the ILBs by one (and include one more DB or DL) and/or we could replace Moss and have one more (active) OLB. Oddly, the point is that we could cover ILB just as well while adding a OLB even though our LBs dropped one to 8.
I think the critical issue is that we’d bring Ayers in with Dumervil more often and we could merely move Haggan over. Previously, that configuration required taking someone out.
What it really does is allow us to add another rush OLB. Davis was cut so we can add a pass rusher, mostly. It was also about pass coverage, which is another area we really need to improve upon.
no goats, no glory.
If I remember correctly,
Haggan used to play ILB. I think he might have been listed as such with the Broncos during part of TC last year.
by BroncosBassist on Mar 11, 2010 8:41 PM MST up reply actions
He was a MLB
brought in by Shanny to back up…..
W…
Wehhhhhh…
Good lord, I can’t bring myself to say it…
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 12, 2010 12:04 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
That's the spirt!
He was a back-up brought in to spell…. a linebacker who may not have been that good, theoretically.
Ayers is an OLB
While Davis is an ILB. This cut doesn’t really effect Ayers starting or not.
I agree with your conclusion however, as I too think Ayers will be the starter this year. Who’s going to be our starting ILB now is the question.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Have to clarify.
Ayers is going to start either way in my opinion. By getting rid of Davis they open up ilb for whom ayers is replacing and any draftees or free agents.
by broncodude793 on Mar 11, 2010 8:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
that's it
It’s a cascade that starts with both Ayers and Dumervil being on the field. Someone had to come out, but moving Haggan over situationally eliminates the need for Davis entirely — so you get to carry one more player on the roster, IMO. All you need is a situational substitution for the occasions when both Dumervil and Ayers aren’t on the field. I can see a number of possibilities — have both Williams and Woodyard in, move Haggan over, start Larsen, use another player as a nickel and go with only 3 LBs.
The fact that Davis only played 2 downs as a run stopper (primarily) made it possible to swallow up his duties if there was some flexibility elsewhere.
no goats, no glory.
Class act Andra, truly a class act
I’m a little surprised they let him go before finding his replacement, like he said though, no doubt it was about mutual respect.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I think there are plaenty of options. 1) move Marrio inside with Ayers outside 2) give Spencer Larsen a shot then of course the McClain draft.
just saw your comment
I posted the same thing above.
My analysis of LB showed an unfortunate lack of ‘mix and match-ability.’ We lacked flexibility and we had to substitute LBs who had other weaknesses, which were then exploited. Every time I tried to figure a way of stretching the available talent to cover situations, I was stuck with far too many LBs and too few skill sets. In short, their were too many specialists.
I noted at one point that Haggan reproduced what we had too many of — big run stopper types. I could say the same thing about Reid, too. Larsen was also underutilized, or else we needed to use his spot. His FB ability might be his saving grace.
no goats, no glory.
Woodyard?
The other option is shifting DJ to SILB and Woodyard at WILB, but only because we added all the new beef on the inside.
Woodyard’s weakness has always been his inability to shed blocks. With more protection upfront from the new oline guys, he should be better able to flow to the ball without having to fight off some big mean o-lineman. We also have his speed on blitzes and coverage as well for more downs.
re: Woodyard
His saving grace is his pass coverage, but it’s hard to use him on 1st and 2nd down situations if his run stopping ability is an exploitable vulnerability. Adding to the DL may help, but his weaknesses may ultimately become a luxury if we and he don’t improve our capacity at LB. It’s simply an intractable problem if 9 LBs don’t provide you with an adequate spread of traits/skills.
I kept running into this problem in my analysis; a lot of players and I was still scrambling to find LBs with the appropriate skills.
no goats, no glory.
Woodyard
isn’t a great coverage LB by any means. I know you didn’t say he was but he got burned by TE’s many times last year. Barrett works a TE far better than Woodyard. Maybe I haven’t watched enough of him but I was disappointed in Woodyards play this year.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 11, 2010 5:24 PM MST up reply actions
Is "run stopping ability" really his problem though?
He was a decent runstopper for us in the 4-3 look as a WLB, because he seems to read gaps well and flow to the ball nicely… He just tends to get bulled over if he has a guard in his face, because he’s relatively small/light as a LB. So my question remains: Did we add enough beef up front to keep him clean, so that the things he does well in thee run game aren’t over-shadowed by the things he does poorly? If we use Larsen or Haggan (the 2 other internal options), how do you weigh their weaknesses in speed vs. their superior ability to shed blocks?
Re: the question on Woodyard’s coverage… sure, he’s not as good as a safety in coverage… but he’s a LB. My guess is he does better in the run game than Barrett… that is an apples/oranges question. Not that doesn’t mean he’s great in coverage, but we need to compare him to other LBs… If you want a big nickel package and bring in Barrett as a 3rd safety, yes you’ll get better coverage, but you’ll sacrifice run DEF.
Is he better than in coverage than Haggan/ Davis/ Doom/ Ayers/ Reid… absolutely. Is he better than Lance Briggs/Brian Urlacher or some of the other better coverage LBs in the NFL… no, but we don’t have them as options. So the question is, how good does he need to be for the team to succeed, can he do that, or are there better options in FA or the draft?… there doesn’t seem to be internally. If there are better options in FA or the draft, are they available at a price that makes them worth replacing Woodyard (remember, he’s dirt cheap… in an uncapped year it may not matter, but if we get a new cap you have to factor in that opportunity cost)?
Gotta admit
Being a bronc fan has not been boring the last two yrs. I like a lot of you thought we were mostly set at Line Backer. Wroong. Thanks Andra.
I’m all ears coaches.
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Mar 11, 2010 4:09 PM MST reply actions
It's seems pretty obvious as to what the Broncos saw in Davis.
That led to them signing him in the first place.
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
im not shocked by this move the guy wore down
But does this mean we are considering drafting McClain with are pick is the chrones disease really an issue??
Mile High Salute
I think it's too early to tell
who the Broncos will pick. BMarsh could be traded or we could make an acquastion.
What this does do is show that the FO has a plan.
by broncodude793 on Mar 11, 2010 4:15 PM MST up reply actions
with all deference to Doc
McClain hasn’t missed time while at ‘Bama.’ He’s performed in a long streak of games and has a well-deserved reputation for reliability. I’m not party to his medical file and wouldn’t know what to do with it in any case, but his condition doesn’t seem to be a major disincentive to drafting him — although he may have dropped a little.
The truth is — however — I’m somewhat disinclined towards drafting an ILB high. Demand is so low now that it’s an area that can be filled later. I’d rather draft one later (there are some good ones) and use our existing talent to cover the position.
no goats, no glory.
crohns
Crohns can cause multiple problems. One being inflammation. This could be an issue for a LB. Also, might have to have a different diet then the other players.
by hhammer7man on Mar 11, 2010 5:06 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
I'm sure if Team Mcx chooses McClain
They will have done thorough homework on him.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I'm sure he already
does have a different diet considering he’s known about the disease for 8 years and not missed one game of his 4 year Alabama career.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Yes
While my brother nearly died from complications related to Crohn’s that was mostly due to it going undiagnosed for a long time. This was also 25 years ago. Medicine has improved since.
At this point if he keeps his diet in check and doesn’t do eat anything stupid he is fine. People have a much better understanding of proper diet with the disease now and with McClain knowing about it for so long he probably gets by just fine, much like Cutler with diabetes.
the more you practice the luckier you get
film review
I have reviewed a lot of film. I have to say that both ILB play was terrible during the games that teams were able to run the football on us.
I would blame DJ for 49% and Andra 51%. Part of that was the system. We use our front 3 just to occupy blockers. That puts a greater responsibility on the LB’s.
Also how many times did DJ get burned on pass coverage? Everyone likes to complain about Andra being a 2 down player but doesn’t say a word about DJ staying on the field and not being able to cover.
by hhammer7man on Mar 11, 2010 5:19 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
SO BANG ON -Exactly!
DJ Williams is HORRRIBle in coverage and every time I see 55 it’s him laying on his back after a missed tackle.. I can not for the life of me see what they see in this guy.. it worries me, atleast Davis could hit a dude and take him down on the spot, Williams is soft and lost in coverage – We should have traded Williams and drafted accordingly, I’m a little worried by this apparent lack of attention to detail by both the management and the fans of this site – our linebacking group is a big frickin problem!!
by quarterhorse on Mar 11, 2010 10:18 PM MST up reply actions
Andra is the consummate professional
Playing at an extremely high level for the Browns for eight years canNOT be easy to do. A nice season from Andra for the Broncos, and I wish him the best. J’Vonne Parker couldn’t stay healthy, but he was a long shot to make the roster anyway I imagine. I think this opens the door for McClain in round one.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
I would be really unhappy with that
I just can’t see anyone counting on McClain in round one, there’s too much uncertainty there. IMHO that would just be a bad plan.
by Fan in Exile on Mar 11, 2010 4:14 PM MST up reply actions
Take a look at the FA's available
The market is SLIM, to say the least. This is a position that has to be addressed in the draft unless we are comfortable going with what we have into the season.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 11, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
Take care Andre
Good luck and God Bless…I’ll always appreciate the work you did for us even if it was just one year.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
God i hate Bill "Porkchop" Williamson, his write up on the Davis cut
Broncos cut Davis; could he fit in K.C.?
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By Bill Williamson
Andra Davis didn’t seem like he was one of the problems on Denver’s defense.
Davis
Davis
Yet, the Broncos’ brass clearly thought he was. Davis was a surprise cut on Thursday.
Signed last year as Denver transitioned to the 3-4 defense, Davis was effective as a starting inside linebacker. He had 90 tackles and he was a force against the run. Davis was also a strong, positive influence in the locker room.
With Davis out, perhaps Denver will look at youngsters Wesley Woodyard or Spencer Larsen for a starting spot. Denver could also look at Alabama linebacker Rolando McClain if he’s available with the No. 11 pick in next month’s draft.
I could see Davis fitting in with the Chiefs. The Chiefs run a 3-4 defense and they could use another solid linebacker.
More importantly, Davis played for new Kansas City defensive coordinator Romeo Crennel in Cleveland. The new Chiefs regime is big on past connections. The more I think of this pairing, the more I like it.
If Davis does end up in Kansas City, the decision to cut him could come back to haunt Denver.
Mile High Salute
we will just pass on downs when Dre is in
Then it’ll never haunt us. Case closed porkchop.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 11, 2010 4:20 PM MST up reply actions
Your...
loss is our gain. Thanks Denver!
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
How will the Chefs get a 2a.
If you guys trade Dorsey, you’ll be lucky to get back a 4th round pick. He has already proven he is not a impact D-lineman. Glenn “Ryan Sims” Dorsey may have fooled the Chefs, but now all 32 NFL teams know he doesn’t have the goods.
Chefs will take Baluga in round 1 and probably a WR in round 2.
In my opinion.
Please...
Chicago traded for Gaines Adams for a 2nd round draft pick. Dorsey had a pretty good year. The only reason he is playing as good as he is at a 3-4 DE is because he is what he was hyped as. He is just out of position right now. And we got our 2nd, 2nd rounder by trading Tony G last year.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 7:23 PM MST up reply actions
I find myself
wondering how some of these guys can keep their jobs. I just want to smack myself in the head when I read some of this stuff they put out there.
A lot of the articles can be summarized like this: The (Insert Team Here) cut (Insert Player Here). This means they have one less (Insert Player’s Position Here). They will need to replace him. We don’t know what they’re going to do yet.
by broncodude793 on Mar 11, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Don't be surprised if DJ Williams is also traded
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
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"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
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Why?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
The amount of money he makes and limited impact, I don't see him being a long term fixture here
DJ is really suited as a weakside 4-3 LB iin a cover two system, he needs to be allowed to play in space and not take on blockers like a 3-4 demands of it’s ILB. I think that for what they are paying DJ, they are going to have a hard time justifying that for an ILB who continues to try to run around blockers and takes bad angles.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
You need to get your facts straight before you blast me
He signed a five year deal in 2008, that was before McDaniels was here for 32 mill which works out to over 6 mill a season, with $13 mil guarenteed. And yes, he does not fit the scheme
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
He's on the books for $3M for 2010
Since when is that a lot of money for a starting ILB in the NFL? Perhaps you should get your facts straight.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
OK McD didnt pay him whatever
But you’re wrong when you say he signed in 2008, since he signed after the start of the season. His upfront dough all clicked in 09.
And please dont use the words “works out to 6mil a season” everyone here knows how to divide. The Broncos already gave him the guaranteed dough.
you must have a jersey with a big 55 on the back of it
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
The guarenteed dough is spread out through the contract
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
i could accept DJ going for sure
never been the biggest fan of his. He is always chasing people down from behind rather than taking a proper angle. I am holding onto the hope of him getting better after finally playing the same position two years in a row, but if he is traded it would be a moot point i suppose. If the plan was to trade DJ though I probably would have kep Andra for depth.
anyone left in free agency you want playing the middle?
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
You think he's not a scheme fit
Thats ridiculous he signed a 6 year deal when McD arrived. So unless McD was high he disagrees with you.
Even if what you’re saying is true, DJ is solid in space in nickel/dime. And just the fact he can play all three downs makes him way more valuable then you are seem to think.
He's only going to make $3M from us in 2010
That is not a lot of money for a starting ILB. Especially one who lead his team in tackles last year.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Yeah DJ Williams
is going nowhere. I’d almost bet on that.
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I could be wrong
Don’t you use a 3-4 with big space eaters to tie up the o line so your LBs can work in space? Isnt that what Saragusa sp? did in B-more for Lewis when they started to really call Defensive holding a few years back? DJ is one of the best LBs in space and with another year at the same position he will be reacting instead of thinking…. or at least i hope so.
We are who we knew we were!
by bornorangenblue on Mar 11, 2010 5:12 PM MST up reply actions
I hope so.
(Speaking as someone who has always been a big fan of DJ…)
But, like someone pointed out earlier, at least one of DJ’s biggest problems is with fundamentals. Specifically, for at least 2 seasons he ALWAYS seems to take horrible pursuit angles, and ends up trailing plays. That’s something that should have been hammered out at Pop Warner/High School levels. It smacks of someone who is used to being the best athlete on the field, and trying to overcompensate for a lack of fundamentals through sheer athleticism. But in the NFL, everyone on the field is used to being the best athlete out there, and relying on sheer athleticism isn’t going to get it done 95% of the time.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
When Saragusa was playing Baltimore ran a 4-3
They had Saragusa and Sam Adams playing DT and taking up blocers and keeping Ray Lewis clean so he could play in space. In a 3-4 your inside backers are taking on blocks, at least one is.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
WHAT?
That would be a complete shock, let alone a surprise. Who do you suggest we replace these guys with?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 11, 2010 4:35 PM MST up reply actions
I think you could slide Mario over and likely draft someone like McClain
Then you would have Ayers and Dumervil on the edges, and Mario and McClain in the middle.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
DJ Williams > Mario Haggan
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
by c_style on Mar 11, 2010 4:57 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
agree
Haggen works on the outside and will be a good sub for Ayers…. DJ is good… and isn’t the whole idea of big space eating DLine is to tie up blockers so your LBs can work in space?
We are who we knew we were!
by bornorangenblue on Mar 11, 2010 5:10 PM MST up reply actions
re: "Mario sliding over"
Or even better — draft a pass rushing OLB to take Moss’ place and use existing capacity to cover ILB.
There’s good reason to believe that we won’t go with 4 ILBs but there’s good reasons to believe that we’ll use higher picks to increase our pass rushing & coverage ability at OLB. Moss is either going to suddenly blossom or get cut and we need to replace him if that happens.
no goats, no glory.
Remember, start of training camp last year, Mario was competing at ILB
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
what about bringing in an actual fullback for our team
and letting Spencer Larsen have a legitimate shot at one of the positions in the middle?
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
I wouldn't be opposed to that either
I really question if we even need a FB in McDaniels offense to begin with.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
McD's offenses don't tend to lean towards using a fullback
Therefore I don’t think McD would bring in a fullback for just a few downs.
Of course, I could be wrong…
a fullback is just a cheap solution for short yards
if in fact our interior line does not vastly improve
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
Bingo you are a winner zclay...
Since the system does not use a fullback (extra blockers are guards) and Peyton Hillis is still here, diffenately let SPENCER get a shot
Spencer
just seems like one of the mist sure tacklers on our team
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
+1
I know McD doesn’t use a FB much in the traditional sense but we could get a solid H-back type of player late in the draft or in FA to use mostly for blocking but also as a short receiving option.
by Broncologist on Mar 11, 2010 4:47 PM MST up reply actions
I like the idea of Spencer at ILB full time
It seems like all he does is hurt people lining up at that position.
Meh,
It’s an interesting proposal, but then you downgrade at both positions.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 11, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions
Dream on!
If Suh falls to 5 I’ll buy you a season ticket to the Chiefs so you can dream along with the rest of their fans of making it to a Super Bowl in your lifetime!
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
I'll have the last laugh on this one
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
So two teams with a professed love of Suh
(Tampa and Detroit) will pass on him?
Wow, your source must be really on the inside (of three teams no less). Impressive
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Just cos a team likes a player it doesn't make him their greatest need
McCoy fits the Tampa’s system better than Suh and Detroit needs a LT in a bad way
KRRRAKATAWAA
A...
defensive tackle has only been taken once in the last 12 years in the top 3. Teams don’t value it as much as say QB, LT, or DE. I know either McCoy or Suh will go in the top 3. I’m just hoping its McCoy. Who doesn’t love Suh? Anyway heres my breakdown:
1. St. Louis – (Bradford) got to get a franchise QB, past on too many now
2. Detroit – (Okung) have to get a franchise LT, Stafford got killed and Backus sucks plus is getting old.
3. Tampa – (McCoy) fits their D better, McCoy is faster at the point of attack, more of a 3-tech vs. Suh as a 2 gapper. Mayock has McCoy listed higher for that reason
4. Washington – Its QB or LT here. They already have too much invested in the D-Line
5. KC – Suh!
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
Ha. No.
I go out to KC every year for the Chefs game. Love that town. Great BBQ, good bars, good friends, great place. Went to the WW1 Museum last time, very enlightening.
But when it comes time for the game, there is nothing—and I do mean nothing—better than a 2/3ds full Arrowhead with fans streaming for the gates early.
Y’all got one (and just one) on us last season, and good on you—but the beatdown next year will be nuclear.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 11, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
Good luck Andra
You contributed well while here
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
I loved Andra
Which is the one thing that makes it kind of disappointing, he was a great leader, and had great character.
While it is a little disappointing, and was a surprise when I saw it, I completely understand, he didn’t do as well at the end of the season, and he has some weaknesses in the passing game especially.
Good luck in the future Andra!(just don’t sign with an AFC West team and I’ll actually mean that)
I wonder
Do you think Braxton Kelly has progressed far enough to be considered in the mix ???
Kind of shocked by this
I thought he could at least be a serviceable backup/mentor to whomever is starter. I liked him as a person and as a player even though he’d lost a step from his previous years. He had the heard of a beast even if his legs weren’t following all the time.
I echo some of your comments by saying I could see Haggan playing inside as well but he’s pretty slow and imo doesn’t represent an upgrade over Davis. The question I’m asking based on performance last year, did Davis deserve to be cut, was he really the weakest link in the front 7?
I wish Davis the best back
Thanks for being a class act. He gave us a great half a season, not so great 2nd half as y’all have said above. But he gave all he could and is a classy guy. Hope he latches on somewhere, even if as a backup.
Meanwhile ths points even stronger to the Broncos taking a LB within the first two rounds. Whether it’s McLain (depending on how they view his health situation) or another LB, whether in 1st or 2nd, it would stun me if they didn’t go there.
Also to me this shows that they have faith in Ayers’ future, too. But another LB will be coming in next month for sure.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Too bad
I thought he played well last year. I hate porkchop williamson too. He is avid broncos hater. yuo would think he would grateful for working for the denverpost.
It's really going to suck for you guys when the Chiefs sign him ;-)
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 5:01 PM MST reply actions
But will it come back to haunt us? ;-)
Sounds like Porkchop has been watching too much SyFy Ghost Hunters.
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lol. Actually I haven't seen what Porkchop has to say about this yet.
But I do know that Davis’ most productive years came when he was playing in Crennel’s defense in Cleveland. I don’t doubt that he’s going to be a Chief by Saturday morning.
We’ll see what happens. At 31 years old he’s far from done.
On a side note for inter-divisional news… LJ is scheduled to meet with the Raiders on Monday. He’s with the ‘Skins now/tomorrow. I’d love to get to watch him fall down behind the OL of a different team twice a year.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 5:09 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think he's done either by any means
Maybe he would be a good pickup, as a reliable person off the field too. I just think his days as a full time starter for a full year are numbered, if not outright over.
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We are likely to rotate a lot.
Derrick Johnson became a guy that was getting shuffled in and out for certain plays and packages… and you guys know how that worked. Davis probably have situational roles and won’t be expected to take the full load.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 5:14 PM MST up reply actions
I think he was at one time
but don’t recall him being so with Denver last year. (Anyone else remember?) He wasn’t a ST standout for Denver in the way that Wesley Woodyard or say David Bruton was last year.
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He didn't play on ST's
according to this. If he played on ST’s, it would show there.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Maybe...
But LJ definitely has him beat in the “Spit in womens faces” category.
My sentiments are likely to be summed up with one of these 2 quotes:
"Shut the f--- up."- Matt Cassel
"WHAT THE F---?!?!"- Todd Haley
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 11, 2010 5:19 PM MST up reply actions
Marcus Allen?
"For what we are about to see next, we must enter quietly into the realm of genius." Scott "Young Frankenstein" Pioli
by Steve_Chiefs on Mar 11, 2010 5:39 PM MST up reply actions
Umm... if the FO wanted him they would have kept him..??
I don’t see why all the KC fans are over here trying to throw this in our face.. He was a weak link, we cut him, wish him the best where ever he goes. If you sign him, he won’t magically get rid of those weaknesses.. so whatever.
Oh please, don’t throw us in that briar patch. PLEASE.
I believe the last time you saw the guy he was helping your overrated speed back to a record-setting day. Just what you folks need in Raytown.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 11, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Man!
Now you’ve gone too far. JC isn’t overrated. He’s underrated. The kid rushed for over 1,000 yards, didn’t start half the season, and ran behind a shitty line. I bet you’ll draft him in fantasy next year.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 7:14 PM MST up reply actions
JC is certainly not overrated ...
ugh ugh ugh that awful day was so awful… that said he probably will be overrated soon. That or the Chiefs will run him into the ground.
the more you practice the luckier you get
Not with Thomas Jones helping in the run game....
Official member of the "Draft Eric Berry" fan club... But I'm not changing my picture, dammit!
by Red N Gold Beast on Mar 12, 2010 12:42 PM MST up reply actions
Davis is a class act. I wish him the best. He was a leader and a pretty good player - just getting a little slower.
Hopefully he lands somewhere good. I didn’t expect this right now. Glad they gavehim the respect.
The Raiders put a 3rd round pick compensation on their LB Morrison. I wonder is he is in the mix somewhere. I am not that familiar with how he played or would play in a 3-4.
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. I am not surprised to see Parker released. Good luck to him.
Williamson jocks the Chargers and even I think he’s a douche. There’s some good divisional reporters/bloggers at espn. but the afc west obviously was shafted
There was a moment, right after ESPN hired him, where they set him loose on the blog without an editor, and holy cats it was awful.
The fact that he has a writing job is a condemnation of the sportswriting profession as a whole. There are high school juniors with a better grasp of English and sea squirts with better journalistic sense.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 11, 2010 5:33 PM MST up reply actions
I actually dont mind that he's not exactly well written
Its just his worthless content, that make me want to punch him in the face.
Well...
this is something we all can agree on.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 7:15 PM MST up reply actions
Haha
I’m sure there are plenty of people on this site who would do a better job than porkchop.
by broncodude793 on Mar 11, 2010 8:37 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
+1000000
The best stuff under his blog comes when he gets an opinion from MATT Williamson. Otherwise, it’s just regurgitation of stuff you can find elsewhere.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
Wow, didn't see this move coming....
I think Larsen now has a legitimate shot at that other inside spot. I was disappointed he didn’t seemingly get one last year.
When Larsen and Woodyard filled in for a couple of those games two years ago I thought they were stout! Maybe it was an aberration, I don’t know. But during that Atlanta game they were excellent.
by Gristle McThornbody on Mar 11, 2010 5:36 PM MST reply actions
Larsen
In my opinion is nothing more but a fill in role player. His abilities are limited and he doesn’t have the skills to play every down. To many wholes in his game to be game planned for…Dra was the same way and my guess as to why he was released
by CaliBroncos55 on Mar 11, 2010 6:08 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Off topic but via Adam Schefter, re NFL draft prospect Blount
@McClain_on_NFL: Not smart of RB LeGarrette Blount to no-show before 20 scouts at Oregon’s pro day.
As Schefter says, what are some people thinking?
Btw, I’ve been on record here and I’ll say it again, I wouldn’t touch this guy with a ten foot pole. He has character concerns up the wazzoo. And I think McDaniels will have the same concerns and stay away. But anyway, this doesn’t help.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Okay we stand corrected
Update from
Adam_Schefter
Just as it sounded – and now confirmed. RT @caplannfl: RB LeGarrette Blount will be working out at Oregon’s second Pro Day on 3/18.
I still stand by my request for the Broncos to stay away from him though.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Brandon Spikes
How do people feel about him as an alternative draft possibility over McLain?
I like them both, frankly.
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Spikes is more of a thumper
I personally wouldnt take either at #11, but I think ILB is a over rated position. Spikes doesnt seemed to be evaluated as a lock for a 3 down ILB, while McClain is. And that in itself could drop Spikes to the mid 2nd.
I think you're probably right and given
the depth at LB in this draft and enough doubts about the top prospects at that position, some of these guys could fall down to low 1st/high 2nd even. So a team like Denver might wait, grab an OL with first pick and then go LB next.
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ILB is overrated
I know people get upset when I say that, but its the truth; all you have to do is look at the salaries and you’ll find only four elite positions.
QB, CB, left OT, and pass rusher. Now I know who guys spent some high picks on the secondary last year and drafted a edge rusher but…..
Its nice to high 3 good corners and 3 good edge rushers. I mean the best corner in the draft could fall to you guys at #11. And I havent heard anyone mention that here.
He and Sean Weatherspoon would be an alternative...IMO.
This raises the all important question now that cuts have been made, does McD go after McClain in the first or someone else later in the draft. This draft is loaded with good LBer prospects. I’m now leaning towards Joe Haden or Dan Williams @11. What say you?
Spoon is my favorite ILB
Every though he’s a little undersized, he appears be a sure 3 down player, hard worker, and good leader.
To me he looks like a guy that will be better pro then college player. Like a Clay Mathews last year, who Im still pissed the Chargers passed on.
I think you guys should draft Joe Haden
Its basically BPA, huge positional value, and the guy is again in he less risky category. Blue collar, very very hard worker, STs stud, it goes on and on.
I bet...
you guys go Williams. You have to have an insurance policy in case Jamal goes down, which could very well happen. I think you guys overpaid for him.
1. Suh will fall to us at 5
2. McClain will fall to us at 2a
3. The Chiefs will trade DJ and Dorsey
by I_Bleed_Red. on Mar 11, 2010 7:19 PM MST up reply actions
Dan Williams...
There probably aren’t too many fond memories of the last Dan Williams in Denver, though he had a passable year or two for you guys. We may have overpaid for Jamal. I remember another fat bastard I loathed that we signed who actually turned out to be a little better than I suspected he would: Chester McGlockton. Despite having played for my two most hated teams (no offense to you personally), Lil’ Chet turned out to be one of Shanny’s acceptable FA signings—and apparently nowhere near the locker room cancer he had been made out to be. This Dan Williams seems to possess an intriguing skill-set, but one I’m not sure is ideal for a nose tackle. I’m not sure I’d be happy with that pick
Broncos Über Alles
Coach Shanahan excelled at Xs & Os...
Shanny, though I’ll always love him for the two Super Bowls, was not at his finest when it came to the acquisition of talent. Ferguson gets too little credit for the work he did in building those two Championship Teams. Having said that, Mike’s drafts in ’06 and ’08 were amongst his finest. I still have high hopes for the McDaniels/Xanders regime. Drafts simply cannot be graded for three years at least. Shanahan’s hubris always seemed to be an extreme over-confidence in his system, and his ability to coach players up to fit that system, or scheme. Systems and schemes don’t win games: Well-coached, superior talent (particularly in the trenches) does.
Broncos Über Alles
Bobby Turner found TD, not Shanahan
The Goodman’s brought home Clady. I loved Mike S and I still think that he was an incredible OC — just a bad GM
It all starts with the lines
Micah Johnson would be great value in the later rounds...
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 12, 2010 6:54 AM MST up reply actions
David Harris
Maybe there are some legs to the rumors from last year when the Jets were thinking about making a run at Marshall? I believe the Broncos wanted David Harris at that time. We could get the Jets 1st and David Harris for Marshall. We get a starting player and maybe Pouncey at 29 where the Jets pick. It seems like Rex Ryan would be crazy enough to do it if he thinks they are only 1 player away. Any thoughts?
They'll never
give us a first and Harris….not a chance. If Seattle doesn’t want to give us a first by itself, there’s no way another team will plus a starting player. If anything the Jets may be more inclined to just swap players. Nonetheless the the Jets resigned Edwards to a nice contract. I doubt their in the market for a number 1 high priced receiver.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 11, 2010 6:33 PM MST up reply actions
they would never give a player because they dont have to
all they have to do is sign Marshall to an offer sheet, and if we dont match we get the 1st, if we do match he is ours and it is a moot point
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
A late first
doesn’t have the same value as #6 or #14. Maybe we send DJ Williams and Marshall to the Jets to sweeten the deal and take McClain with #11. Him and Harris could be quite the tandem.
I haven't read all the comments, but I'm very surprised by this...
With an uncapped year next year, what was the harm in keeping him through training camp and have him at least compete for the starting/backup jobs? If his play wasn’t rebounding by then, then cut him. Why cut him so early in the process when we only have a couple of relatively unproven players waiting in the wings?
Was there a bonus pickup or high salary implications that made him essentially a salary cut?
Basically, what I’m getting at is that I didn’t think his play last year was on par with the other cuts so far at all (Andra >>> LaMont).
Possible respect...
I think the front office respected his leadership and attitude, and cut him loose early on in order to give him a fair chance of signing with another squad. While I felt Andra proved to be one-dimensional throughout the season I, too, was surprised by his release. He played with fire, and despite some coverage limitations, I felt he could at least provide some depth. The unpredictability of McDaniels intrigues the hell out of me.
Broncos Über Alles
You give respect to the likes of ...
TD, Rod Smith, Gary Zimmerman… for someone we just brought in for one year, I would’ve thought the term “It’s a business” would’ve applied and in this case we kept him until we felt he wasn’t of any use to us. It’s callous, but you see that 99% of the times in the league these days.
In any case, my point is still that I didn’t think his play last year was deserving of a cut so early. I thought he played much better than LaMont, Mitch Erikson, LeKevin (who I see we resigned), and even Casey and Kenny. It’s a head-scratcher in my books.
Anyone know the salary/bonus situation for Andra?
It's not hard to find but I don't think money had anything to do with Davis' departure.
If anything it was his play or lack of…
I just didn't think he was THAT bad???!!??! :(
and worth at least another look during training camp this year!
Great point
Maybe it was simply a business decision. He had signed a “prove-your-worth” contract by his own admission (on the Fan around 5:15 PM), so I don’t think it was money driven. I could be wrong, however.
Broncos Über Alles
My hope and belief is that...
There is a method to what at times seems like madness. I do have faith, however, and that’s an unquantifiable thing. In thirty-five seasons of Bronco fandom it’s been rewarded more often than not. Let us hope!!!
Broncos Über Alles
Ah well
Adam_Schefter
ESPN’s John Clayton reports the Cardinals have reached a multi-year deal with former Cleveland Browns guard Rex Hadnot.
Had a feeling Denver wouldn’t land him, but held out slim hopes.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
I didn't think we would get him when he left.
I think we will prioritize a Center in the draft. Maybe Pouncey?
Pouncey's definitely my target
Whether he’s the Broncos target is more important of course…
But problem may be he’s projected right in the center (as it were) in between the Broncos current 1st and 2nd picks. They could either reach a little for him because they really want him, or trade down. Or luck out in the 2nd, but that’s doubtful.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Davis gone was a foregone conclusion...
give Larsen the job from day 1 and see if a rookie beats him out (McClain or Lee or Spikes or Angerer).
Thanks for your time, Dre, you were a good soldier. Please play in the NFC.
by Orange and Blue on Mar 11, 2010 8:00 PM MST reply actions
Any one of those wouldn't "angerer" me...
Let’s not forget we have an unproven prospect in Kelly too..
Good luck to Davis wherever he goes
He definatly surprised a lot of people around here and will be a good asset to his next team.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Pure class
I wish him all the best. He and his wife saved all of their money and are set for life, apparently. They are just folks of great class and humble origins – and little need for material things. More power to them, and all the best on their journey.
It all starts with the lines
Though it scares me
How weak our o-line as a whole is right now; I’d be willing to bet we grab: Williams or Hayden with #11. Thinking about LY draft we grabbed guys who could learn from great players we already have with our first two rounders (and Seattle’s) three out of four times . K-shown from Buck, Phonz from Champ and Goodman, and McBath from Dawk (even Bruton too).
by Bronco79 on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 AM MST via mobile reply actions
From the War Room... SPOON
Inside Linebackers: At the Combine, Missouri’s Sean Weatherspoon displayed the athleticism NFL coaches covet and has personnel men convinced he can be productive in a 4-3 scheme (middle or weakside linebacker) or in a 3-4 (inside linebacker). He should be a late-first- or early-second-round pick. More in the War Room
Come on Spoon!!
Best of Luck to Davis, Parker and Petersen…..
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