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What Just Happened and Who is the Replacement?

Just a short couple weeks ago, I was in discussion with our own Emmitt Smith when the subject of Wesley Woodyard came up. "(He's) coming around, and I really like his upside", I opined. "In fact, he's probably my favorite underdog flavor of the year. I like the fact that he's getting all the extra reps, snaps, and attention. The guy can obviously cover and he's really fast." I went on to say that, "If he could just bulk up to around 235ish, I think he's got a real shot at becoming a very good linebacker."

I'll run back to the weight issue here after a bit, and I'll talk in more detail about both Wesley Woodyard and the recent release of Andra Davis. But first, let's see if I can nail down a thesis, of sorts, before my head implodes from going in too many directions: I think Wesley Woodyard may have just gotten his promotion from the waiver of Andra Davis. He's clearly good in coverage, but can he thump the run full-time?

With that, I'll allow you mobile users to click it or stick it, er, I mean skip it, and meet the survivors after the jump =)

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Andra Davis.

In a recent FanPost, I opined, "There's nothing winningly versatile about an average run-stopper, that can't cover." I described Andra Davis as the "weak link" in our second-level of defense. I further cautioned, "His situational presence is a liability, and it needs fixed if McX can find a way...It will not only help the numbers, but also the entire defensive scheme."

The point here isn't an I-told-you-so or a back-pat for having seemingly been on the mark. Rather, that we need to take from this that the recent additions to our defensive line won't stop the run, in and of itself. And regardless of MSM's surprise and reaction to Davis' recent walking papers... we're not blowing up the team. This action was discussed and forecast by many of us here. And there must be a reason for that, because we often know our team better than any Mr. Bill Williamson does.

We should leave those pundits to wonder why these moves are being made, as they did last year around this time, while we instead move forward and begin to predict the second-half of this solution.

But first, let me go back for a moment. While I'll spare you additional quotes, I do want to say that I gave Andra Davis credit for being a great guy. In hind sight, though, perhaps that part of my FanPost was at least slightly understated. So I want to underline that point here and now, and give the man that epitomizes Bronco-Character, a great big Mile High Salute. Andra Davis is a class act, and I wish him the very best.

It's also quickly worth mentioning that the expedience of this decision, sending Mr. Davis on his way, seems like an act of mutual respect and a show of class from our boys in the FO. So kudos to them also, for allowing Andra Davis additional time to find his way onto another roster.

 

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The Replacement?

If Wesley Woodyard is, in fact, the replacement here, then it's actually more likely that he's D.J. Williams' replacement, really. At 6'-nothin', 220-nothin', we can't expect Woodyard to be the primary run-thumper. He's not a liability in running-back-crunching like Andra Davis was a liability in air-attacks. Nevertheless, if he takes over as a starter in the middle... D.J. gets one more position change. Well, maybe more of just a subtle change in responsibilities. With Mr. Andra Davis gone, and a potential replacement that covers well, Williams will be in much better position to harass quarterbacks and thump running-backs - what he does best.

D.J. never excelled in coverage last year. Yet, he was put there over and over again, simply due to Andra Davis' inability to do so what so ever.

Wesley Woodyard on the other hand is a real speedster for the position, and he's already developed into what I would call a very good cover guy. And let's not ignore the super-speedy leaps he's made at improving his game already. Starting at the bottom of the depth chart as an undrafted rookie in 2008, it's not like he got a lot of early attention or reps. Most even agree that nobody could even agree what his position would originally be. He was projected everywhere from a safety to inside to outside. He's not big, but he's fast. He's got the instincts and the want-to, he just needed a coach with some vision. He certainly got that now with "Wink". And it doesn't hurt that Wink's now got more of Coach McDaniels' ear.

Woodyard is so fast by linebacker standards, that I've often given the opinion that he could stand to gain some "muscle" weight (versus Mount Cody weight), to better smash runners and get off blockers (even at the expense of just a little of that speed). I don't know if the coaching staff thinks Wood can really lay the wood as a full-time starter, versus just a situational coverage guy. But that, my friends, is the real question here. After watching his improvement last year, I tend to think they're open to giving him the promotion. I think it's his position to lose, depending on how the draft falls of course. But, then again, you tell me...

 

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Perhaps I'm just trying to make Wesley another underdog flavor-of-the-week. I've never really gotten that fuzzy feeling about Baker or Thomas, like many here have. But I've seen the progression in Woodyard, and I think the sky is the limit. What say you folks?

For what it's worth, I think we'll have our answer if Wood comes into training camp weighing 235.

Poll
Our new starter next year is...
Rolando McClain
34 votes
Sean Weatherspoon
24 votes
Wesley Woodyard
43 votes
Spencer Larsen does the run-thumpin and Wood comes in on passing downs
79 votes

180 votes | Poll has closed

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where is my voting option for "other"

your ways would kind of bum me out
(except maybe Larson, he would have to earn it in camp though)

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by zclayro on Mar 11, 2010 8:49 PM MST reply actions  

But how can I get people to agree with me with an "other" option =)

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions  

by the way i have to rec soley for
So I want to underline that point here and now, and give the man that epitomizes Bronco-Character, a great big Mile High Salute

even that does not quite do justice

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by zclayro on Mar 11, 2010 8:51 PM MST reply actions  

+1

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:48 PM MST up reply actions  

How about NONE of the above...

Im betting it’s either a RFA or it’s gonna be “Mario Haggans”. I just have a feeling!!! Wesley Woodyard is just TOO small. He’d be a good safety, but not LB. He’s more like a version of Troy Polamalu!

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by Hogblog on Mar 11, 2010 9:07 PM MST reply actions  

Hard to find a person who wouldn't say that about Doom, too

That he’s too small. Well before his 17 sacks. But yeah, I think I’m in the minority in thinking he can do it.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:50 PM MST up reply actions  

short and light are 2 different things. Doom has the beef that a LB should have.

I would be interested to see if Wes could play safety. I would like to have a big fast cover safety that can hit like a LB. Let him train with Dawk.

by BroncoMath101 on Mar 11, 2010 11:10 PM MST up reply actions  

Yes, but it's far from prototypical

I generally look at weight as changeable, whereas height, arm length, etc.. are not. Exceptions exist, obviously. But I think a guy like Woodyard can add 15 pounds of muscle through months of hard work, whereas Colt McCoy will never get taller unless he plays on stilts.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:19 AM MST up reply actions  

Good point on him playing as a safety, he looks like he could do it to me

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:20 AM MST up reply actions  

I feel like we need a better run stopper in there. Honestly I am not worried about our defense’s ability to stop people from passing against us. Woodyard has his role and I think he does it very well but I just can’t picture having a bad run stopper in there for a significant amount of time.

by black_knight101 on Mar 11, 2010 9:10 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

I think he's at least a little underrated at run-stopping

Only two missed tackles last year. Also, he’s the one who’s been the one switching with Andra, leads me to think he’s an option in their eyes too.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:51 PM MST up reply actions  

Spoon!!

MIZ ZOU!

Honestly, I could see Haggan move inside to take over Davis’s spot while Barrett or Ayers man the outside. I would LOVE to have Sean Weatherspoon, though. He’d be the hardest worker out there 100% of the time, and he would take over as a leader very quickly. If we can trade back into the mid-20s and pick him up I would be ecstatic.

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by papigrande on Mar 11, 2010 9:25 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Granted, he would play DJ's spot.

I’ve never been too big of a DJ Williams fan. He plays stupid a lot and tries to make up for mistakes with his raw physical ability. I’d like to see him traded in the next couple of years for someone smart, with Spoon taking his job. I’d rather have a smart, physical, sure-tackling linebacker who is a very vocal leader manning the ILB position than a guy who’s a liability 40% of the time.

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by papigrande on Mar 11, 2010 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

I starting to like Spoon, too

He could very likely switch to inside and/or hedge against a the idea that we might not have Doom in 2011. He could likely be versatile and he’s got leadership and great attitude.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:59 PM MST up reply actions  

I voted Spoon as well

I think Spoon = Woodyard + 15lbs. I think he is the best fit for what McD wants, in this draft. Very versatile. Can stop the run, can cover the pass. & his intangibles are out the roof.

by rg2247 on Mar 12, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions  

Wait, Barrett?

I don’t see Josh Barrett playing OLB. Not in a 3-4, and not consistently, anyway. Maybe in a nickel package or three, but not for even 2 downs.

by BroncosBassist on Mar 12, 2010 4:15 AM MST up reply actions  

A trade down would be wise to get Spoon!

And it saves a few million dollars.

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by Broncotodd on Mar 12, 2010 7:06 AM MST up reply actions  

I love the way Woodyard plays

But I still see him coming in on passing downs only. I don’t think it will be Larson in there against the run though. My hope is that we hit on a draft pick to start there but short of that I would guess Haggan. Cutting Davis this early lends itself to the idea that McX believes they can get an ILB in the draft who can start from day 1. That is unless there’s some quality ILB FA’s available that nobody’s yet talking about.

I would have voted for McClain but I just don’t think the added risk is worth the 11th pick. He’s sure to drop now but I think some team will still take a chance on him in the late 1st so I doubt it’s McClain.

Good thought provoking article though, I enjoyed it. Rec’d

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by c_style on Mar 11, 2010 9:29 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks!

I think we’ll probably draft a guy, but I’m still making up my mind on who or when. The McClain development might take more time to get a real feel for how risky his condition is seen by GM’s once they get more info on his specific case.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:56 PM MST up reply actions  

That's a pretty fast 40 for 242!

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:16 AM MST up reply actions  

I don't think we have a viable solution for Dre' Davis' position.

My guess is we will sign somebody soon and draft a body. I doubt very seriously that Larsen and Woodyard will ever be more than they are right now…And I like what they do.

by bfree2bronc on Mar 11, 2010 10:05 PM MST reply actions  

I tend to think that if we get "just a body", so to speak

then that’ll be the veteran and we’ll aim high in the draft.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:57 PM MST reply actions  

Opps. Meant for bfree

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 11, 2010 10:57 PM MST up reply actions  

I think you're on to something, Elvis...

It’s tough to know what’s in McD’s head, but I can’t imagine us releasing Davis and not having a solid plan for his replacement. Davis was not great, but he was better than what we had at LB two years ago (Anyone remember Nate Webster?). While I think it is probable that we will draft an inside LB, I don’t think we would release Davis with the plan to replace his starting position this year through the draft. It’s too risky. The same goes for free agency. Surely we would sign a FA first instead of waiting until after cutting ties with Davis. There are no guarantees that we can find a FA LB who will be an improvement over Davis.

My guess is that Wink and McD already have a good idea who they would like to start, and it seems likely that it’s Woodyard, with Larsen also in the mix. Otherwise, it would seem impudent to make this move right now. We’d be depending on lucking out in the draft or having a good FA fall in our lap. Just my thoughts…

by OrangeTexan on Mar 12, 2010 12:10 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks for the comments!

There are no guarantees that we can find a FA LB who will be an improvement over Davis.

To add to your point, we lose contract leverage with anybody we chose to go after now, now that we look desperate for a starter.

I think they’ve got a fix already figured out, from in-house. I would guess they’ll also draft somebody, but I’m not sure I really have an opinion yet on how high of a resource they use.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions  

This seems most reasonable

Not that they won’t draft a ILB, or even still sign a FA.
But I think Wink saw from his work with the LBs that there was a viable solution in-house and that Davis would be bumped to limited situational play at best.

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 3:11 PM MST up reply actions  

excellent point

I don’t know enough about ILB positions to know what each does, but if makes a heck of a lot of sense for DJ to move over to a more tackling/pursuit oriented position, and WW to be a coverage LB. WW was actually a very highly-rated LB over at Football Outsiders – he apparently had one of the best “stop rates” in the league, in terms of tackling pass catchers before they reached the first down marker. He graded better than anyone on our team.

by tunesmith on Mar 12, 2010 12:51 AM MST reply actions  

I'd like to see a graph chart of his stats

He def improved as the season progressed, too

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:01 AM MST up reply actions  

my take

We had 4 ILBs but only one could pass cover, and only 1 was in on 3rd downs. That’s 4 roster spots being taken up for a single position on the most important down. Doesn’t that sound problematic?

I don’t know if we’ll add another ILB in the draft (we could) but our ILBs were obviously under-utilized because of their limitations. Replacing Davis was as easy as finding an extra 2 running downs out of our existing backers. And there’s a lot of different ways we can do that.

We could still add an ILB as I’ve suggested, but that player will not be a single dimensional 2-down player. There are a number of LBs (either ILBs or OLBs) in the draft at a range that’s both inexpensive and contains talent. For instance, the 4 – 6 round range contains Jamar Chaney, Donald Butler, Pat Angerer & Micah Johnson (LINK) at ILB. There’s also a number of OLBs, some of whom are at DE, so replacing Davis isn’t that hard. I don’t expect we’ll have to replace him immediately but we can add to our capacity while developing young talent (which we haven’t done at ILB lately).

I’d actually like to see additions at both ILB and OLB, and it’s not that hard to do. Also, it’s not actually necessary to do both this year. We can cover ourselves quite well currently while adding as we go. The dilemma that people misunderstand is the formal problem of replacing a temporary structure. No single year can be thought of as the final solution to the problem since parts of the team need to be taken down again next year when we go through the same process. A late draftee at ILB might not seem like an ideal solution but it’s one we can take down again next year (if needed) and replace with a better solution.

IMO — I’d use our existing players and draft one more OLB who’s a pass rushing specialist. We can replace Moss and use the remaining roster spot to carry one more DL or one more DB (which helps if you have 5 Safeties for covering TEs). Whichever way we go, we improve our capacity. The roster spot we create could become a 5th CB or an 8th DL (Baker?). Or it could become a high pick at DE34 that allows us to keep Baker, too.

Finally, the point of this analysis is to show that you’re better off when you can carry more roles rather than players. Someone wrote a topic recently about how specialists diminished the roster — they do, with caveats — and this is my way of agreeing while showing that you can reduce your roster while adding to or keeping the amount of assignments the same.

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by Colinski on Mar 12, 2010 1:23 AM MST reply actions   4 recs

What the hell ever happened to Lee Robinson?

I agree with what you say, Colinski, but I’d really, really, really like to see an all-around LB at some point in this draft. What you say about our current situation is true, but I’d put more emphasis on moving toward a solution. If we can get one more solid-good starter at one of the LB positions, we’d be in much better shape, and it would only take one draft pick to get it.

By the way, I might be the only one, but I was heartened by what I saw in Ayers when it came to coverage, run support, and pass rush. He wasn’t all-world, but he was a rookie in a new position.

by BroncosBassist on Mar 12, 2010 4:20 AM MST up reply actions  

Robinson didn't interest anyone

He was billed as a top UDFA but the interest wasn’t there, so teams apparently disagreed.

My point was that a solution for LB only takes a mid-rounder because the demand isn’t there anymore. Besides who I mention above (see below), there are a number of middle round OLBs.

the 4 – 6 round range contains Jamar Chaney, Donald Butler, Pat Angerer & Micah Johnson

I see OLBs such as A: J. Edds, a 4-5 rounder, as being solutions to our ‘LB problem,’ and he’s capable of doing more than just run stopping.

It’s easier to fill Davis’ spot than people think, and we really need to add a LB who can do more than stop the run. 2-down LBs aren’t drawing much interest anymore, and we can see the difference in in the huge discrepancy between the draft status of OLBs and ILBs.

That’s why I say we should focus on finding a pass coverage/pass rushing LB and let our existing players suck up the 2 downs Davis played.

It’s not that we shouldn’t find an ILB, it’s just that it isn’t that important. We’re actually freeing space so we can bring in players. Davis was a part-time player who occupied a full-time roster spot. We need to add skills and abilities instead of diminishing the roster size with specialists. The only specialist we can (and should) afford is a pass rushing specialist at LB. And Moss currently holds that spot but is never active.

BTW — roster math is ultimately active list math, too. What we’re really trying to do is increase the number of active LBs. That’s why I say that Haggan, Larsen, etc., are good solutions to the ILB problem. It’s because they’re already contributing and can suck up 2 downs easily. A ILB can be drafted and then relegated to the inactive list on most occasions, so we’d have them but also have someone to fill out the inactive list. This may seem like a trivial problem but it’s actually very important.

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by Colinski on Mar 12, 2010 1:00 PM MST up reply actions  

Great take Colinski

Your roster math is always enlightening.

I’m starting to look and learn more about Sean Weatherspoon (OLB). He’s projected late first/early 2nd, and he looks to be able to play either OLB or ILB. He can stop the run, but also excels in coverage, which is really what we need. I’m not sure if he would really fill the pass rushing aspect we’d be looking for on the outside, but I’m still learning about him.

One more thing, I’m beginning to wonder if we would begin to use Doom as a situational pass rusher, replacing him on one or two of the beginning downs, if he doesn’t start to stop the run better. He’s deadly rushing the QB on third-downs, but he’s one-dimensional. So again, an additional OLB could be useful, IMO. To be clear, I’m not convinced Doom will become situational; it’s just as likely that they continue to work with him in this new system.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Not sure on Weatherspoon

He has the somatotype but he’s a Will type because of how he plays. His real value — however — would be as an OLB, so you’re on the right track. I would either go later, such as Edds (see above), or focus on someone who’s a pass rushing specialist (although not solely).

A better fit for this type might be a Ricky Sapp, Koa Misi or Jerry Hughes.

We’ve shored up our run stopping by adding to the DL, the point is to complement those additions by adding to pass rushing or pass coverage.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Mar 12, 2010 1:31 PM MST up reply actions  

Good premise Alex

Rec’d

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by KaptainKirk on Mar 12, 2010 7:34 AM MST reply actions  

Thanks Kirk!

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 10:15 AM MST up reply actions  

OK, why am I the only one who thinks they move Mario Haggen inside

Ayers is going to start next season, like it or not, Elvis is obviously going to start, so Haggen move to inside would be the obvious choice. DJ is not the type of player who can take on blocks consistently, Haggen seems to be better at that and was originally listed as an ILB at the start of training camp last year. I still wouldn’t be surprised if DJ is traded before the start of the season to someone like Tampa Bay or Indy, and we use a pick for McClain or Spikes and still have Haggen inside.

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by Broncoman on Mar 12, 2010 12:32 PM MST reply actions  

Haggan wouldn't help keep DJ from dropping back in coverage so often

DJ would still be the faster and better coverage guy. I think you’re right that Ayers will start, and maybe Doom. I say maybe because I could see a possibility that he’s substituted on run-stopping downs here and there.

I could see Haggan replacing Doom on a single down per series, as he’s the better run-stopper, then replacing Ayers on one down per series, as he’s better in coverage than Ayers (so far at least. But like you, I doubt many agree with my setup also. With that, I see a possibility that WW starts as the more cover prone guy in the middle, leaving DJ to run-stop and pressure QB’s from the inside.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 12:50 PM MST up reply actions  

elvisalex and colinski

This is good discussion! Thank you both.
Starting with your roster math it appears that there are currently (without Davis) 11 LBs on the roster. I expect they keep 8 (maybe 9?).
3 – I know little about – Atkins, Kelley, and Greisen – don’t know how they fit into the picture.
4 – Seem pretty good OLB group – Doom, Haggan, Reid, Ayers
3 – Currently regarded as ILB group – DJ, Larsen, Woodyard – but all with questions
1 – big ??? – Moss
Questions
1 – Are any of the first group – Atkins, Kelley and Greisen – potential ILB starters
2 – Which of the 2nd group – Doom, Haggan, Reid, Ayers – could move inside and is it a good idea to do so.
3 – Which of the 3rd group – DJ, Larsen, Woodyard – have enough upside in this system to keep (we have to cut at least 2, probably 3, of the current roster)
4 – Does Moss have any potential (if so, he could replace whoever we move to ILB from OLB, if that were the choice)
Assumptions
1 – we’ll probably draft a LB somewhere and the player will be expected to be versatile (so the roster question has a part 2).
2 – Wink/McX know the LB core and have answers for and opinions about all of the above questions.
Did I say I like your discussion? Thanks

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 3:35 PM MST reply actions  

Thanks Ivan, let me take a stab (it's long)

I’m not sure I’m the one to tackle Atkins or Kelley since I’m not very familiar with them either. Greisen, IMO, was just sort of a “what-if” guy last year, in that we gave him a chance to shine, or even show something, but he didn’t. We have no reason to believe he will make the team this year. Atkins and Kelly are bubble guys right off the bat. It would be great if they perform well, but nobody in Dove Valley is planning their final-53 roster math around them.

As for Moss’ situation, we first need to realize that he isn’t a product of the new regime; they didn’t draft him. They have no loyalty to him, nor do they really have a vested interest to ensure he works out. The second, and perhaps the most important aspect to Moss’ situation, is to look at his stats. Which is basically zero. He had pretty much zero stats in 2009. No tackles, interceptions, sacks, etc.. He only played in seven games, started zero. Add to that, his 2010 slated cost of $750,000 plus a roster seat, and it seems more than unlikely that Moss makes the final 53.

So, with those four (Moss, Atkins, Kelley and Greisen) unlikely to make the team, my somewhat less-fluid roster count becomes seven, seven current linebackers that are likely to make the final 53. In fact, I would say it’s more like 6.5… I don’t see Larsen going anywhere, but that’s not because he’s a good linebacker (yet, anyway). It’s because he does well at ST’s and plays fullback, also. So really, I only count his roster math as half of a linebacker.

With 6.5 linebackers set to make the team, the move I advocate is to draft one linebacker early (so he’s sure to make the team), and maybe, just maybe one linebacker late. That would give us 7.5 linebackers making our final 53. Then if one of the bubble guys (Moss, Atkins, Kelley and Greisen) or the late drafted linebacker makes the team, then the roster math still only makes 8.5. Very normal.

As to which linebacking position I would draft, it would be inside. Some guys project at changing to inside, which is fine. But the intent in our draft, IMO, will be to get another inside backer, regardless of what they called him in college (I’m referring to Weatherspoon).

As to your other question about switching from outside to inside with current roster guys, I see no reason for any switches. We could continue to play with Larsen’s position, but I think it’s about time we let him anchor down and see what he can do staying put. We lost one ILB (Davis), and will lose one OLB (Moss), so there’s no gapping whole in fairly quality depth, just need to add one to ILB. Taking one from OLB to do it though, would still mean we’ve got the same amount of hole(s).

Great questions. It forced me to really nail down my roster math to a firm number. I really see adding one linebacker (hopefully early) from the draft as an easy do. And if one more guy makes the linebacker roster it would still only make 8.5-9, which wouldn’t be optimum, but not a crisis either. Thanks again

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 6:01 PM MST up reply actions  

Another question

I should have added a 5th question.
5 – How does the bigger, stronger DL – Jamal Williams, Justin Bannon, ? Ronald Fields – change the way that ILBs are rated?

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 3:38 PM MST reply actions  

The short answer is

They occupy more blockers. When a guy can occupy two offensive blockers at a time, it means there’s less offensive blockers that can keep a linebacker from coming in and making the stop… even for a loss, which is optimum. Two of these guys (Willimas and Bannon) can consistently occupy two blockers. That doesn’t mean on every play that each will, and it doesn’t mean four O’ Linemen are consistently taken out of the equation… but it makes it more likely and more often.

The second part, is that when these bigger men aren’t being double teamed, they can easier take down the runner by themselves.

I like that you used Fields at DE. That’s how I see it. I think Green is going to be mainly in on passing downs to generate a little pressure from the inside. I see him as an upgrade to what Holliday was.

Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!

by Alex on Mar 12, 2010 6:07 PM MST up reply actions  

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