What is Bill Williamson Talking About?
by John Bena on Mar 12, 2010 10:56 AM MST
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PrintThose who know me and this site know I usually don't single out members of the media. They have a tough job and most of them work their a$$es off. I respect them greatly and tell them that. Then there are guys like Bill Williamson. Williamson used to work at the Denver Post as the main Broncos Beat-Writer. He took over at the Post when Adam Schefter left went off to the NFL Network.
Anyway, Williamson has since moved on to ESPN as their AFC West 'blogger'. I usually disagree with somewhere in the neighborhood of 100% of anything he says. Today is no exception. In a post entitled AFC West Free Agency Review, Williamson broke down the Biggest News, Biggest Surprise, Best Decision, Worst Decision and What's Needed for each team. It's his opinion and he's entitled to it. This is where it gets crazy.
For the Broncos, Williamson labeled the Brandon Marshall situation as the Big News(emphasis mine) -
The Broncos set the stage for Marshall’s departure by putting the first-round tender on him. It didn’t take long for Marshall to attract interest. Seattle set up a visit to bring in Marshall on the first day of free agency. The Marshall situation could drag on, especially if other teams show interest. But the fact that Marshall was in another team’s building over the weekend is big news.
Makes sense. In essence, Williamson is saying what most in the media have said - the <lowly>1st Round Tender was used to get Marshall out of town - begging other teams to come and get him.
Later on, under Worst Decision, Williams again brings up the Marshall situation(again, emphasis mine) -
Not being flexible on Marshall's compensation. It has been reported that the Broncos will keep Marshall if they don’t get a first-round pick in return for him. Perhaps this is posturing. But unless other teams start pursuing him, I don’t see Seattle giving up a first-round pick. Yet, the Seahawks could offer other creative compensation. Ultimately, the Broncos want to part ways with Marshall, but this high price tag could prevent that from happening.
Let me get this straight. The Broncos 'set the stage' to get rid of Marshall by putting JUST a first-round tender on him, yet are making a poor decision by not being flexible and requiring that first round pick??
This is what drives me crazy, and why I feel that some of these guys don't think for themselves. If the popular belief is that the Broncos were essentially giving Marshall away by extending the First Round tender, why is it a MISTAKE to actually want a first round pick for him?? The Broncos are not being flexible?? No, Bill, the Broncos aren't playing any BS games with other teams. They laid it out for everyone to see - you want Brandon Marshall? It 'll cost you a 1st Round pick.
Just because the implication is that Josh McDaniels and Brian Xanders want Marshall out of town doesn't mean it's fact, and most importantly, it doesn't mean the Broncos should simply give Marshall away. The Seahawks, as the only team that has shown legitimate interest in Marshall, have TWO first round picks. The Broncos would be foolish NOT to get at least one of them.
It is one thing to say the Broncos don't want Brandon Marshall. It's another to bash them simply for not making your opinions look correct. I don't need to agree with everyone, but dammit, be consistent, please?
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B Dub
I cannot stand his blogging style, I don’t know if he left the Post with sour ties but his main focus this offseason is the catch phrase “Marshall is done in Denver” or “Denver is desperate to get rid of Marshall”. It is quite subjective and I just don’t understand where he is coming from half the time. In fact his “mailbag” is where he gets the majority of his ideas from, figuratively the readers do his job for him.
by 5280SportsTakes on Mar 12, 2010 11:04 AM MST reply actions
I totally agree JC.
I read his blog quite often, and very very rarely does he say anything insightful or unique. It seems that most of his blogs, are practically repeats of other blogs or other blogs comments that I have read previsely to reading his blogs. I also notice he constantly contridicts himself. IMO, I believe he is the worst broncos journalist of all the ones I read. And I read many. I spend large part of my day at work reading bronco material. Not that I don’t do my work, but I am very lucky to have a job that allows me this time for reading this material. BTW, this is my first time ever commenting on MHR. I have read MHR for a couple of years now, and for some reason I have just now decided to start posting. Not real sure why I have waited, but oh well, I just have to start making up for lost time. LOL.
Can you change your middle name so I don't have to see JC anymore?
lol…just kidding of course. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Name Change
Note Taken: I do have a different name in mind, do you know how you can change that? For a while folks thought I was literally referring to JC as in he who must not be named instead of my initials.
by 5280SportsTakes on Mar 12, 2010 1:01 PM MST up reply actions
You'll have to contact SBNation's support and request a username change.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on Mar 12, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
John
I read both of these earlier today and came away feeling exactly as you do. That coupled with his proclamation that “The Broncos want to part ways with Marshall”. How the heck does he know what the Broncos want to do. He states it here as if it were fact and it simply isn’t, it’s his opinion. That really gets my goat when they state their own opinion as fact.
Dang Right
Yeah Just like everyone who goes to ESPN they get tainted by the Man. You are spot on. McHoody is going to do everything he can to make sure that the broncos are PRIME for a playoff push next year. He knows what he has in Marshall and shouldn’t waiver in that. You don’t just give away talent for nothing.
I dont hate BW
But I do feel his opinion is easily swayed. I read his blog almost every day, and I usually see a quote or an opinion from John Clayton or Matt Williamson. BW, jus report the facts and make and opinioon and stick with it.
by DBroncs1414 on Mar 12, 2010 11:10 AM MST via mobile reply actions
better yet, just fire him
bill’s lazy and stupid. bad combo. bena criticizing williamson is like saying you don’t like stepping in dogsh*t with your best dress shoes. um, yeah.
i haven't read him much but i agreed with most of it...
thought he was way off on the BM take…
I also think our needs… he was right on. We NEED to pick up another quality lineman!! ….else we’ll be forced to draft there rather than taking the BPA…
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 12, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions
Very condridictory
It appears I was wrong in my opinion of Brandon’s outside worth. I thought he would gain more attention, which is still very possible though. But I’m not going to now say that we should be more willing to deal. For only a first, I’d rather keep him. I surely wouldn’t go back now and say just do what needs done to get him out of here.
I don’t like Bill Williamson’s stuff. I called him out in my post yesterday for a different statement. And I don’t usually single people out either.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Its funny how fast the tide turned
Marshall was all but gone not even 3 weeks ago. Now the possibility exists that Denver might not even fetch a first round pick and everyone wants him back.
FOr the record, I’ve agreed with everything you’ve said about the 1st round tender Elvis.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
by johnnystarr on Mar 12, 2010 11:22 AM MST up reply actions
some of us have been saying we don't want to see him go this entire time...
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
very true
But that was a very small minority. The majority called him nothing but a possession receiver, cancer to the team, diva, etc., etc.
It gets annoying at times..
But you’re right Drizz…. There were a few pointing out it was worth keeping the whole time.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
There are something like 212 RFAs and not one I am aware of has been signed by another team.
The RFAs will move after and only after UFA has been picked dry. You are giving up on yourselve too early. Marshall is the ONLY RFA I have heard about that is even receiving interest. In fact, he was in Seattle on the 1st weekend of FA. I was shocked someone moved that fast.
And it would be a great shame if we lost him for nothing more than a late 1st round pick.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Mar 12, 2010 12:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Of course
Nothing says the Broncos have to lose him. If money is the real driver, and Marshall knows exactly what his market value is based on the offer sheet he gets in UFA, I wouldn’t be surprised at all if he is more than content if Denver matches the offer.
in light of the trial...
he’d probably be a lot more than content
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Amen brother!
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Agree!
Thank God somebody made a post about this guy. I’ve been following his post on ESPN West Blog, and most of the things he says don’t even make sense. Hes been talking about B marsh for months now and how we are trying to get rid of him by putting a first round tender. This was a very smart move by the Broncos, at the end of the day, if we do not get a first round pick we will keep Marshall, who’s easily a Top 3 WR.(the other 2? Fitz and A. Johnson)
Sorry to say this, but Williamson does a very poor job, his posts are horrible and most of the time hes wrong about everything.
If you think Brandon is a top-three WR
Then how can you also think it’s a “very smart move by the Broncos” to offer him up for a single pick?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
And yet, there appears to be very little interest even
for only a first….Why is that?
Oh yeah, cause he’s not a top-3, top-5, even, top-10 WR. Teams would be falling all over themselves trying to get explosive playmakers like Larry Fitzgerald, Andre Johnson or Calvin Johnson for a single first. If Marshall was really considered to be top-3 by folks in the NFL there would be more than one team visiting with him in the first week of his availability.
At some point Denver fans are going to see that having way more opportunities than everyone else, while not posting better numbers, does not make a player better. It actually makes him an underachiever.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
He may have top 3 skills
But his off field issues (which could give him a very long suspension if they happen again) could help keep a high talent from getting interest with the 1st round pick “bar” that the Broncos set.
Victor Frankl:
What man actually needs is not a tensionless state but rather the striving and struggling for some goal worthy of him. What he needs is not the discharge of tension at any cost, but the call of a potential meaning waiting to be fulfilled by him.
Everything can be taken from a man but one thing: the last of the human freedoms – to choose one’s attitude in any given set of circumstances, to choose one’s own way.
He may?
Please………..
Top-3 WRs enhance their offenses effectiveness. Not compete for the league lead in drops yearly (2010 was first year he wasn’t Top-3, still Top-5 though). Top-3 WRs make plays down field and score TDs. Did you know Jabar Gaffney had more 20+ yard plays than Marshall (in 66 less targets)? So did 39 other WRs/TEs. Only thing that has moved toward elite status was his 10 TDs. Though it’s still the only time in his career he’s had more than 6, so it’s the exception rather than the rule.
Brandon is a tremendous possesion WR. But, Wes Welker and Dallas Clark are also tremendous possession WRs and neither of them turned down $9.5 million a year.
If Brandon were truely a Top-3 WR there would be a coach out there with the ego thinking he could rein him in. Happens all the time in the NFL, especially with young players. So far that has not been the case. If nothing else tells you that he’s not Top-3 then that should.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
by Randall15 on Mar 12, 2010 2:12 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Gaff has always been underestimated
He was behind an unusually good group in NE with Moss and Welker, but still turned key plays when they needed one. Watching 2008 film convinced me that he’s a very good receiver, and his 2009 numbers reinforced that. The more he’s used, the better he’ll produce.
It all starts with the lines
SO you're cool with him being a #1 receiver Emmett?
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Johnny, that's a great way to mis-state what I said ;-)
I think that he’s underestimated and can be greatly productive. Where did I mention anything about a #1? What’s up with the hostility?
It all starts with the lines
Sorry.. no hostility intended..
I probably shouldve written more in the post but as usual when it comes to the internet it gets lost in translation..
What I meant was this… The common arguement on MHR is we can get rid of Marshall because Gaffney had such a great game against KC and had more explosive plays througout the year. I personally dont buy this arguement at all
What I meant to ask was this.. What are your thoughts on Gaffney? Would you feel safe with him as the #1 with Marshall gone? Would you feel safe with Gaffney, Royal, Llyod and Stokley as Denver receivers going into next year?
Also, what are your thoughts about Marshall being targeted more then Gaffney? Could it be that Marshall gets open more often then Gaffney?
I was simple curious as to your thoughts and meant no disrespect.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
No worries
I’ve never made that argument, so I’m probably the wrong person to ask about it. Personally, I tend to expect Marshall to be back next season.
As far as who gets open more, Marshall is on the field for more plays and is also targeted more. There’s a certain apples to oranges issue here. Would I prefer that Marshall be in Denver? Sure – he’s very talented. Are there other ways to handle this? Yes. Gaffney split time at the position with Royal, so it’s pretty hard to extrapolate. Royal struggled, which also changes things.
Your list also leaves off McKinley, who is probably our best deep threat. Marshall isn’t, and probably won’t be that threat since he’s always struggled to catch the ball over his shoulder. Could Denver go into the season with McKinley plus that group? Sure, if need be. They’d have an extra first round pick, but few WRs actually produce in their first season so I doubt that the draft will change that much. I do find that the emphasis on a #1 receiver is somewhat overblown. Several good receivers is generally better than 1 or 2 very good ones.
Perhaps as good a question is whether Royal becomes more productive or not, how Stokes health holds up, whether McKinley learns to defeat press and whether B.Lloyd can get his head into the game. Each of those has a substantial effect on how the corps plays and produces. So does the performance of the OL and how often the RBs can chip or run routes, based on how much they have to stay in on max protect. Finally, there’s a substantial issue around the TE position and how much it will be used to support that OL and how much they can work in space. My crystal ball is at the shop ;-). Other than a general feeling that Marshall will return, the rest requires data that I just don’t have right now.
It all starts with the lines
He is very poor at what he gets paid to do for a living
I’d hate to be the guy in charge of him and whatever his work contract is…he is under contract right? I can’t think of any other reason why he would still be employed by ESPN…
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
wouldn't be there first person
at ESPN to be in those pictures
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Mar 12, 2010 11:39 AM MST up reply actions
1000000000000000000000% Agree
His usual chat or mailbag answers are usually:
Q: Bill, would do you think of the possibility of trading our 1st round pick and Marshall to the Patriots for Tom Brady and Randy Moss?
A: Sure, I could see that. McDaniels really likes Patriot players.
This is all wrong. You forgot the spelling errors, grammar mistakes and use of the word decent.
Let me fix this for you:
A: Sure, I colud see that; McDaniels really likes really decent patriot Players.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Mar 12, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions 3 recs
that right there earns five gold stars!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
by Jon Tollerud on Mar 12, 2010 2:37 PM MST up reply actions
Nice.
Good work calling him out on this BS.
Of course, when all this is said and done – trade or no – it’ll be interesting to hear his take on it. I’m sure it’ll be overtly negative even if we get #6.
J
BS? How'd I get dragged into this conversation?
Just kidding.
I get the feeling that Williamson, and many other MSM pundits have a tendency to write their stuff in answer to questions that they’ve heard, and do not bother to read what they’ve written to see if it’s internally consistent — a fancy way of saying that they’re playing to their audience and saying what they believe their readers want to hear.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 12, 2010 11:50 AM MST up reply actions
what better way to always be right
than to take both sides of a topic.
I don’t go to williamson looking for an article of depth. I come here. That aside, he’s got deadlines to meet. Now I personally would rather see him get into depth and offer some solutions instead of just saying, this team needs QB so they’re going to draft or sign a QB. In honesty though, his blog is again, what sets this site apart is it’s in depth analysis and proposals of “actual” solutions.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
if he was a meth addict we wouldnt be calling him porkchop
- Dan Noreen.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Mar 12, 2010 12:14 PM MST up reply actions
Come on
Give pot smoking douche bags, meth addicts, and paint huffers more credit than that.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
but he has too much fat and teeth to be on meth.
I mean its all the rage up north here in San Diego (more like Riverside then those losers migrate down here)
- Dan Noreen.
by broncfanstuckinsd on Mar 12, 2010 4:08 PM MST up reply actions
the douche bag part
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Bill Williamson is the worst Blogger on ESPN
I hate that SOB.
He is lazy, everyone of the other bloggers come up with things to pass the time.
He obviously doesn’t put much thought into things he posts.
He is the last person to post any news. So if you are looking for breaking news, don’t check the AFC West Blog. I hope they replace him.
Agree 100%
This guy is such a retard. He has no idea what he is talking about due to the fact that he is completely oblivious to reality. He clearly holds a grudge over the Broncos for some unknown reason. I’m all for free speech and all but Williamson just downright sucks. He makes Kliss from the Post look like Socrates. And thats saying something because Kliss is a moron too.
"If we cannot find a way, we will make a new one." -Hannibal
by AvalancheRescueDog on Mar 12, 2010 12:11 PM MST reply actions
Please don't use the derogatory term retard here or anywhere else.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Tubbs is “really” untalented. His Chico State degree and 14 month stint at the DP do not qualify him for any job where he is paid to write.
But life is weird and he must have photos of some ESPN C-level guy naked (Erin Andrews style). If so, his stalking ways prove he is smarter than I give him credit for.
I consider his column, blog or whatever it is, nothing more than unintentional comedy.
Must read status, he is NOT.
In my opinion.
What I think happened...
…and just a guess, albeit an educated one: the Post was desperate when they lost Schefter. The Rocky had, at the time, two full-time beat writers (Lee Rasizer and Lynn DeBruin) on the Broncos, and the Post suddenly had diddly. I sincerely doubt they had much lead time to replace Adam.
So they made a reach with BW, for whatever reason—once you’re in the sportswriting club, as he was, it’s easy to move laterally and never have to answer for the huge craps you took in previous cities, and maybe his editor up north gave him a good recommend to get his ass out of the newsroom—and, I’m guessing, immediately regretted it.
That’s obvious, to me at least, by the fact that they pretty much whitewashed his ass out of the paper without a word, and all of a sudden, bang, he’s an ESPN. There was no “we support BW as he moves on to his dream job blah blah” that they usually do with folks that warrant mugshots who leave (as they did with Adam Schefter, for instance, or Thomas George). Nope, one day he was there and the next he was gone.
His initial blog posts at ESPN gave us a window (beyond what we already knew, which is that he is a weak-kneed equivocator who was no more an “insider” than any web surfer) into why the Sports Editor on the 6th floor of 101 W. Colfax was likely eager to see him split: they were barely readable. Like, has-not-graduated-freshman-English barely readable. Embarassingly bad.
There’s a reason he seems to bounce from NFL beat job to NFL beat job.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 12, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
I long ago boycotted his blog...
…in the hope that if everyone else does as well ESPN would get the hint that he is rubbish.
I remember reading insightful and witty articles by Adam Schefter, and I rememeber the awful feeling I got after reading Bill W’s first article the week after Adam S left the Post. The drop off in quality was so obvious.
I get great & often funny NFL coverage from great writers/journalists like Legwold, Easterbrook, the Football Outsiders team, Waltfootball etc. And yes I’ll add Woody Paige to that list. He may be wrong some of the time, but at least he sticks his neck out and besides he writes well and makes an interesting read
There is only so much time in the day. Why bother with Porkchop?
So if you think his articles are worthless don’t click on that link!
by British Bronco on Mar 12, 2010 12:12 PM MST reply actions
What's sad...
is they have really good writers for some of the other divisions. Mosely, Mike Sando, Walker in the AFC North. AFC West gets screwed again.
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by John Bena on Mar 12, 2010 12:15 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I don't think......
the Broncos will take a receiver in the first round of this years draft even if they get a first round pick for Marshall. What do you guys think?
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
agreed
McX is no Matt Millen…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
you have no idea how bad matt millen was/is..
I live just outside detroit in Canada.
that guy was the worst GM of all time. The only reason he kept his job was because he told Ford Sr. old war time stories. He lived in PA and would only work 3-4 days a week in Detroit. Also, he barely ever made scouting trips in person. HE would rely on his scouts word.
There was a story how in one draft they were stuck on a player in the 3rd or 4th round. They didnt know who to pick so some scout yelled out the player and Millen choose him. He didnt even have his boards set. Keep in mind he was the highest paid GM and you can see why the fans revolted against the team
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Marshall will remain a Broncos - get used to it!
The Broncos are letting Marshall travel around to find out what other teams think he is worth, before offering him a deal based on what they think he is worth. There is no reason to discuss a deal with the kid when he thinks he is worth Fitzgerald-like money. Once Marshall learns what he can get, his chances are being happier with what the Broncos pay him is more likely. The only way Marshall moves is if someone with a high draft pick + players wants him. Otherwise the Broncos will match and Marshall remains with the team. Broncos do not want to pay the #6 pick in the draft for sure – if they got it they’d trade it without question unless one of the top two DTs or Bradford was available.
Williamson
Is horrible, I concur. He just seems to have this milk toast tone to his AFC West blogs. I am sorry to say this but I am surprised that Williamson is still employed by ESPN
In my opinion....
It wouldn’t be a bad thing to have Marshall in Denver this season.
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
I must respectfully disagree
discglofin, there is just know way to over look all that he has been through in his time in Denver, whether self created or created by outside influences.
Is he a great talent,yes, does he have to much baggage here in Denver to ever be a model player who can be trusted to bring it 100% a 100% of the time, I must also answer yes to that question too.
Its quite possible he will never reach his full potential, while being held back by his own emotions and poor decisions
I however cannot disagree with with what you said.
You make a very good case for your opinion. Being a small business owner for 21+ years I am most guilty of being a very optimistic person and my thinking is that this whole situation will wake him up and he will pull his head out and be all he can be. I know that it will be hard for him to regain the trust of his teammates and coaches so it might just be best for him to play elsewhere.
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
I'd like to have Marshall stay
I can see Marshall staying in Denver for a couple of reasons:
1 – if he doen’t get the kind of money he wants and will have to settle for something more realistic, either teams will try to trade to avoid the #1 rd pick, or Denver will match if it is about what Denver was willing to pay.
2 – Marshall might be maturing as we speak. Just his experience with the RFA process has got to be a reality check for him in discovering that not many have as high opinion of his talent as he has (duh!). In addition, his experiences with the Williams murder and trial will affect him. Further that his histrionic behavior consistently has bad consequences probably will affect him. Finally, that his teammates don’t appreciate some of his antics has got to bother him. These IMO are all ingredients in the maturing process.
3 – He has the gifts of a quality possession receiver, which are both substantial and appreciated by most of the fans. Fans can eventually forget irritations if you produce.
4 – He’s charming enough to eventually realize that endearing charm is a better asset for appreciation and reward (even money) than ego and pride. It’s not impossible IMO that BM not only stays but that, down the road, he may become one of the most popular sports figures in Denver.
I’m not saying this will surely happen. But I can envision it.
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions
Williamson
is like a church when war breaks out. They support both sides until the killing done and then they are on the winning side.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Church?
Why bash church? Most pastors during this nations fight for independence fought leading their congregations. Pastor John Witherspoon signed the declaration of independence, he was a pastor of a Presbyterian church. Many other signers we sons of clergy and most were christian and most of them were devout. There is no doubt “churches” have done what you’ve said but most clergy work hard for what they believe in, stand up for what is right regardless of popularity and only the ones who fall or who compromise get the press.
History
Was the Presbyterian Church English or American? Was not the English devout Christians?
What side was the churches on during the Civil War, WWI, WWII. Just saying the Church was on the side of the Victors no matter what.
Williamson speaks out both sides of his mouth so he can say in the end he was correct. its a fair comparison.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
So what you're saying is...
BW is the most effective reporter for the entire AFC West? Great to know that ESPN has a major contributor representing our division: )
Say hello to my fast...
Damn...now I'm craving a bone in ribeye...... :)
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Williamson seems like a nice guy, but...
…he’s a complete idiot. His blogging has this aggravating, stream-of-consciousness style that reeks of “I didn’t bother to edit this after I wrote it, but I’m going to post it to ESPN.com anyway.”
His opinions are lazy, obvious, and annoying. I read his blog for news updates on situations, but definitely not for any “insight” to “situations.”
In other words: good call-out, John.
John
Please, take this from the master of bashing media types for writing dumb shit that makes no sense: At some point in your scathing attack on Williamson, you needed to call him some kind of name. I always go with old reliable: Schmuck. However, for Williamson, I’m thinking “Cock Boil” is better suited.
Shall we take suggestions on what name Williamson should be referred to as in future MHR articles?
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Clayton is a tool.
Sorry, I got here late and already see Bill Williamson being dragged around the Coliseum behind a chariot. So I thought I’d throw in my traditional dig on Clayton.
As you were, all. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
I am old enough to remember...
the media questioning John Ralston’s drafting of Louis Wright over Neal Colzie back in the 1970’s. Clueless sports journalists are nothing new!
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
John
when you find out what Bill Williamson’s talking about, make sure you let me know! Until then, I’ll go about my business not caring about that atypical MSM tool.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 12, 2010 3:20 PM MST reply actions
Don't hold your breath. lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Mar 14, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
It looks like we have found something we all agree on,
its sad that most of my Bronco news came from this guy a year and a half ago.
Really makes you appreciate guys like Mike Lomardi....
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Lombardi even...damn stuck keys.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Good thing I don't pay attention to him.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
...I feel so fulfilled knowing that I am not the only one that cannot stand him,
He is by far the worst sports reporter I have ever read…wait…second worst. The worst is Jay Mariotte…he sucks even more lol
Milquetoast personified
BW is milquetoast – bland, safe, soggy, and tastelss. ESPN gave the AFC West the worst correspondent of them all and that is saying a lot.
Williamson is bad at writing valid points
I have heard this argument made much better. The person I was listening to, said that the Broncos made it be known that they are willing to part with BM when they only tendered him at a 1st round pick level but also showed they felt he had value on the market. This person then went on to say that with the depth in the draft(overall not just WR) and other WR’s in FA and available for trade, the Broncos might need to be flexible in their demands and take a second and a player/another pick for BM. I think if Williamson was a better writer he could have articulated these points much better.
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