I Wanna Believe… I really, really, really do!
by miner00 on Mar 12, 2010 12:38 PM MST
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Nicely Played Coach!
Free Agency started with a BANG. A good BANG. Bannan, Green, Williams. I have been complaining that the Broncos needed more talent on the DL since before FA started last year…and finally you listened. They aren’t Julius Peppers or Albert Haynesworth, but they are good solid 3-4 Defensive Linemen who will instantly make this team better. These pickups and a few others that I hope will be coming in the next few weeks (Center, Guard, maybe another DL) should give you the breathing room to roam the College ranks freely and pick up some future impact players without the pressure to start today.
Well Done.
You cut Casey Weigmann? Really? Who is now #1 on the depth chart?
You cut Andra Davis? Really? Who is now #1 on the depth chart?
You cut Kenny Peterson, but kept LeKevin Smith and Ryan McBean? Really?
Um…Coach Josh… You really like walking that line between Genius and Insanity don’t you? For now, with your early FA pickups, you have earned some leeway from me on your roster moves.
Use that #11 on another frackin Runingback and we may have to have words…
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Totally agree
with us getting another offensive lineman. Would’ve liked Hadnot, we’ll see, we know they want to get bigger on the line so it should be interesting.
Hey Miner, nice post, good questions, rec'd
A couple of thoughts on the questions you raised:
Center – Russ Hochstein played some games @ center for NE. At 6’4"/305lbs, he could give Denver some size inside. There’s also both FA & the draft left. Seth Olsen might also be a possibility, though he’s only seen activity as a OG and a OT in college.
ILB – There’s still FA and the draft. We also have Larsen, Woodyard and Griesen waiting in the wings. Larsen and Griesen would be the better fits if you look first at size. Woodyard pretty much was able to get all over the field. The concern I’ve heard expressed about Wesley is that his size would make it difficult to shed blocks.
Peterson/Smith/McBean – Peterson was the more experienced of the trio. He was also the smallest. If I remember correctly, Smith missed part of the season due to injury, so I’m not sure we actually know how productive or unproductive he can be. McBean looked good in stretches and might fit well in a rotational scheme.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Brian is a very versitile player. He can play Guard, Center, Tight End and Fullback.
Players like him are more valuable to a team then most people think.
ROFL, I was wondering. :)
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 12, 2010 2:29 PM MST up reply actions
I agree...Hochstein is quite valuable.
But as the old adage goes…A Jack of all Trades is a Master of none.
I’m sorry, but I watched him play guard last year and he doesn’t seem to have what it takes to be a NFL center full time. It isn’t just about size and physical ability. Maybe I am wrong and this is Russ’s big break. We will see.
Thanks BS...Thought I'd go for a little changeup on this one
What can I say, it makes me a little nervous not having a true Center on the team. I am not a fan of moving Guards to Center. Totally different skill-sets and blocking techniques.
Cutting our 3rd leading tackler from last year seems…risky. I like Larsen and Woodyard, but Davis was a pretty cheap and certainly serviceable at the position.
As for the DL trio…the only reason that I ask is that Peterson looked to me to be the only one with any talent at all last year. I suspect Smith and McBean will be selling real estate by the end of pre-season.
You could well be right on all accounts
I’m guessing the new DL acquisitions will rotate with the younger guys and help develop them.
So far as Davis goes, he was the 3rd leading tackler with 90 combined tackles (solos+assists), but 38 of those came in the first 6 games. And 30 of those came in the first 4 games. After that he began to tail off a bit.
There was also a much longer post which included a description of how Davis struggled against the pass. The figures I’ve seen show that he was thrown at 17 times. 14 of those resulted in catches by the opposing receivers who were able to gain 149 yards (99 of which came after the catch).
Finally, if I’m not mistaken, he led the ILB in missed tackles as well.
While I’m not sure what I believe about his release at this point, I think the way he wore down, his struggles in the coverage game, and his missed tackles may have all been contributing factors to the FO’s decision.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 12, 2010 1:30 PM MST up reply actions
ProFootballFocus has Davis with 80 tkl's including 3 sacks, with 8 missed tkl's. 82.4% of passes around him were caught for 189 yds,
Where DJ had 10 missed tkl’s with 97 total tkl’s including 4 sacks. Passer rating was 103.9 (not good). 78.5 %/ 586 yds. Andra Davis was rated as 5th while DJ was rated at 46th. To me this clearly shows that DJ Williams was the problem more than Davis, but with the age difference and Williams being thrown into his 4th different position may have bought him more time. Is that the way you see it Brian?
As I've had pointed out to me
Be aware that ProFootballFocus does not necessarily include data from every game for every players. :)
That said, I still use them as a starting point for research.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 12, 2010 2:27 PM MST up reply actions
Well, yeah, BShrout ;-)
While I’m not sure what I believe about his release at this point, I think the way he wore down, his struggles in the coverage game, and his missed tackles may have all been contributing factors to the FO’s decision.
Yep, playing lousy does tend to influence management – jk, as I’m sure you know.
I tend to think that these is much more going on than we are aware. We always have Fry if we do nothing else at center (I think that we will, but this is only about what we know right now). Davis started out well and deteriorated fast. He was a great mentor to the LB corps last year, and is a totally class human being, but his play later in the season isn’t hard to match. Hopefully, it won’t be that hard to improve on. The only place I’ve disagreed with miner was this
Davis was a pretty cheap and certainly serviceable at the position
I just didn’t see what come across on film as serviceable. I understand why folks would be concerned, but so far, McD has had a logical plan in place far more often than not. Because of that, I’ll give him time to show me why these have been done. Even Davis was grateful, considering the way they did this to be respectful and he was appreciative of it.
Good post, and good comments. Rec’d
It all starts with the lines
The writting is on the wall in plain sight...
I understand why folks would be concerned, but so far, McD has had a logical plan in place far more often than not. Because of that, I’ll give him time to show me why these have been done
I can’t help but wonder if McD/X had more time to evaluate prospects last year if they wouldn’t have gone in a different direction with the #18 pick? Picking up Andra Davis was a plus over the talent we let go for sure and the new scheme instituted must of had limiting factors of DJ and Davis’ play as well as others. I have to believe having more time this year to evaluate and study weaknesses that McD will get a better grip on the team. Not to say we didn’t do so bad with the band-aid express though.
Well... by serviceable I mean that he didn't drag the team down with his play.
He sucked right along with the rest of them.
I guess my main point was that he would have been a steady veteran voice in the lockerroom and maybe a nice 2nd string guy. Did I mention that he was cheap?
I don’t have any problem with replacing him for talent, we definitely need it.
I too will wait to see the master plan.
lol
He sucked right along with the rest of them.
Yep. Kind of defined the problem, so to speak. Small wonder we dropped him – a very fine man, a very fine leader whose best playing days are behind him. All the best to the man.
It all starts with the lines
McBean
Was clearly much better at doping his job than peterson. that was abundantly clear. Smith, I don’t really understand keeping, but Peterson had to go.
by bailey disciple on Mar 12, 2010 2:33 PM MST reply actions
I would think the logic of keeping Smith
would be his familiarity with a NE style defense, which is what I think McDaniels is trying to install in Denver. He can help mentor the younger players and demonstrate how to work within that kind of system.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 12, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Just shows a little courtesy
Wiegman and Andra were, sorry to say, moves that had to be done. Our coach did not see them as contributors next year. Wiegman has obviously struggled and Andra had too many issues. So he knows they are not part of the solution – he cuts them early out of courtesy to give them a chance with needier teams. Nice move, coach, very classy – that’s all I have to say
I agree...classy move
But I am really more concerned about who will be our starting center and our starting ILB, and whether those players will be an improvement over the old ones.
I suppose I am just more conservative and I like to have the new part in hand before I throw the old part away. The old part may not be the long term solution, but it will get you down the road if needs be.
Mentioned this a thread over
I like the possibility that Dustin Fry is ready to start. It reminds me of what happened with Ryan McBean – he was on the PS, then was 1st team in OTAs and I kept waiting for that to change. It never did, and he was a good contributor much of the season. I hope that Fry can do as well for Denver.
It all starts with the lines
believe
the 3 dl signings and ol cuts tell me mcd is building this thing right this time around, from the inside out. very parcells, and i like that. we have been losing the trench battles more and more these past years, and we needed to beef up to convert short-yardage/goal-line situations, and to stop the same. with hamilton/wiegmann going backwards in these instances, and the d-line unable to contain the run-down-your-throat game, AGAIN, this is huge. now, we are on our way, and we have some nice pieces in place. i’m lovin’ it. now, about scoring them points…we have some work to do, yet.
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