Denver Broncos Mock Draft version 22.5
The Broncos' offseason has not been quite as active in terms of transactions as a year ago, but there has still been plenty of movement, more than most teams anyway.
We got busy right away, signing on defensive linemen Justin Bannan, Jarvis Green, and Jamal Williams, as well as running back J.J. Arrington and cornerback Nate Jones.
The Broncos obviously still have time to pursue free agents, but where do they go from here? With just over a month left to prepare for the draft, this team's plan should be getting clearer and clearer but it doesn't seem to be that way.
Denver still has some obvious needs along the offensive line, and with the recent release of Andra Davis, there is a pressing need at inside linebacker if there wasn't already before. I am not sold on the fact that Brandon Marshall will be traded, though I do think it's likely that Tony Scheffler will be gone before the draft rolls around.
McDaniels has said on previous occasions that he will not put this team in a position where it is worse off. Every roster move he makes, he vows to make it so that this team can get better.
With the signings so far this offseason, it's evident this team is being built to take over the AFC West right now, and contend for a Super Bowl. I have my doubts that we can do this, but this is the best time of year to believe.
We have a need for another quarterback, whether it be a veteran like Jake Delhomme or Brady Quinn, or a rookie 2nd-7th round pick. I'm not a huge supporter of Jake Delhomme, though he would be an upgrade over Chris Simms. Either way, the Broncos need to upgrade their depth at this position.
The team held a private workout with Cincinnati QB Tony Pike, which is the first reported QB we have held a private workout with officially. Mike Lombardi reported that we are expected to hold a workout with Tim Tebow in the near future, and we can probably be expected to hold private workouts with a few more QB's.
Let me just say that the two options I am most intrigued by at this point are Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow. You all know my stance on Tebow, but I think there might be more bang for our buck if we go after Brady Quinn. Reportedly, Quinn is available for a later round pick. I think we could salvage a 5th round pick in next year's draft, or possibly a 6th rounder next year if they are willing to go that low.
Another option would be to deal TE Tony Scheffler for Quinn straight up. Why should we want Quinn? He's a bust right?
Wrong.
Brady Quinn has had the misfortune of having to adapt to multiple different systems in his three years in the NFL, and he has played well prior to battling injuries. His accuracy is in question, and his decision making has been suspect.
What Quinn needs more than anything is a change of scenery. He needs a coaching staff that believes in him, and a fan base that isn't going to pressure him to win right now. For a late round draft pick, Quinn is better than any quarterback prospect we can get in this year's draft. He has experience in this system, would have the ideal quarterback coaching staff, and would have a great weight lifted off of his shoulders.
Consider this my official campaign for the Broncos to bring in Brady Quinn if the price is indeed a late round draft pick. There is a very low risk, and a very high potential reward.
Running back is an area of this team that I am relatively pleased with. I think we have a solid core developing with Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, Peyton Hillis, and J.J. Arrington. Still, I think this team could use another speed back. Buckhalter can turn on the jets, but outside of him nobody really has any pop.
The next closest might be Arrington, who could be a gem of this free agent class. The Broncos offered Arrington a generous contract after his NFC Championship run with the Cardinals in 2008, and this coaching staff liked what they saw from him enough to bring him on for another shot at making this team.
I am also intrigued by Lance Ball and Bruce Hall, for whatever reason. I think a late round player could be brought in for competition, but running back probably won't be a high priority for this team on draft day.
Our wide receiver situation is intriguing to me. I would love to have Brandon Marshall back, but I'm not so sure how likely that is. It seems more likely by the day, and Broncos fans have to be pleased with that. I feel like I'm too much on the fence with the Marshall situation, and I've gone both ways. I think there's a chance he will be gone, and a chance he will not.
If the Broncos are offered a first round pick for him, I think they will be hard pressed to reject such an offer, even if it's their own pick from Seattle.
Let's assume the Broncos keep Marshall. Alongside Marshall are Brandon Lloyd, Brandon Stokley, Jabar Gaffney, and Eddie Royal. The Broncos should look to bring in another wide receiver through the draft with the thought that Marshall could potentially be gone in 2011.
My top wide receiver target for this draft is Notre Dame product Golden Tate. Though Tate has not been the subject of many of my Broncos mock drafts, he is easily the most complete receiver in this draft save for his lack of ideal height.
Here is a scouting report from CBSSports.com on Tate that I think you will enjoy:
Tate's path of early entry to the NFL was pretty well set with the firing of head coach Charlie Weis and departure of quarterback Jimmy Clausen. But even if neither of those changes to the Irish roster had occurred, he could have left South Bend as a likely first-round pick had he desired to follow in his father's footsteps; Golden Tate, Sr. was a good enough receiver to be a fifth round pick of the newly-relocated Indianapolis Colts in 1984.
The high school All-American running back transitioned nicely to the outside early in his career at Notre Dame. He started twice in 2007, making only six catches for 131 yards but displaying potential with his speed and hands. His stock took off in 2008, leading Notre Dame with 58 catches for 1,080 yards and 10 touchdowns. Tate, a 48th-round draft pick of Arizona Diamondbacks in the 2007 amateur draft, also played for the Irish baseball team in 2008.
Tate's 2009 season on the gridiron, however, was one to remember even though the Irish finished 6-6 on the year. He won the Fred Biletnikoff Award as the nation's top receiver and earned All-American status from several different organizations and media outlets after covering 1,496 yards and scoring 15 times on his 93 receptions. He also carried the ball 25 times for 186 yards and two scores and returned 12 punts for 171 yards and another score.
No matter what Tate's height and 40-yard dash time turn out to be at the Combine and his pro day, his strength after the catch and ability to make the big play downfield make him a possible first round and sure-fire top 40 pick.
NFL Comparison: Lee Evans, Bills
Analysis
Release: Has adequate quickness off the line, but takes time to get to top speed. Most corners play off because he is the team's deep threat. Separates using hesitation move and pure speed once past the five-yard zone. Must be more effective using his hands to fight off the jam.
Hands: Fights for the ball in the air, usually winning with outstanding vertical and want-to despite giving up size. Makes difficult catches in traffic or when being interfered with. Adjusts well to high and low throws, displaying strong hands on high throws. Tracks the ball over either shoulder, good concentration to win in deep balls. Did drop some balls in crucial situations in 2009, and traps the ball against his chest when facing the passer.
Route running: Coached well in this aspect, and is a threat to run any route in the tree. Drops his hips and gets separation on out routes. Sells routes with head fake, getting between defenders down the seam in a hurry. Excellent awareness of the sideline, tapping feet to stay in-bounds. Extends his arms to create space downfield. Makes himself available to scrambling quarterbacks.
After the catch: Runs like a tailback after the catch or when taking the snap in a Wildcat formation, and could be used in both those duties at the next level. Elusive after the catch, displaying excellent vision and balance in the open field. Tough runner for his size due to strong lower-body build; able to push away would-be tacklers and usually pushes forward for additional yardage instead of heading to the sideline. Doesn't have elite acceleration after stopping his route or being hit, and will be caught from behind when defenders have a fair angle. Needs to put the ball in his outside hand to prevent turnovers. Uses his strength, hands and vision to get into the open on punt returns and is tough to track down once free.
Blocking: When reaching his man, Tate uses his aggressive nature to latch on and sustain. Willing to drive his man downfield if needed. Doesn't always get to his target, however; must get more involved on the edge.
Intangibles: Tough player who does anything necessary to score or get the first down. Big personality in a small package, likes to talk on and off the field. No major character concerns.
This is a guy the Broncos can trade down and still get in the first round. I'm not sure of a team who would be willing to move up in round one, but the Arizona Cardinals make worlds of sense. Assuming Tate falls to the Cardinals' pick at 26 (he is rated 27th by NFL Draft Scout and CBS), the two teams could work out a deal.
The Broncos would send the 11th pick to Arizona which would be used on ILB Rolando McClain. According to the trade value chart, the 11th pick is worth 1,250 points. Arizona's 26th pick is worth 700 points. To make up the difference, the Cardinals would likely have to send the Broncos a package of picks, which most likely would include their second round pick or their two 3rd round picks.
If the Broncos are moving down, I think they would gladly accept an additional 2nd and 4th round pick.
Broncos select GOLDEN TATE, WR, NOTRE DAME with the 26th pick in the 2010 Draft
The Broncos can be very flexible with their two 2nd round picks. It has been rumored the team is looking at UMass guard prospect Vladimir Ducasse, who makes a ton of sense in the second round.
Ducasse is ranked as the 56th best prospect by NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports, and likely will be available when the Broncos are up with their first of two second round selections. Here is a scouting report on Ducasse from NFL Draft Scout:
Despite never playing football until high school, this Haiti native has impressed scouts and opponents with his size and athleticism as a three-year starter for the Minutemen.
Ducasse's story is one not often heard among highly-regarded draft prospects. When he was 14 years old, his parents sent him and his older brother from crime-riddled Port-au-Prince to live with his uncle in Stamford, Conn. Once Ducasse appeared at school, the football coaches sought him out in a hurry.
UMass also thought itself lucky to find the all-state tackle waiting for an opportunity because larger schools has already received their commitments. After starting at right tackle as a sophomore and garnering first-team All-Colonial Athletic Association honors as a redshirt junior left tackle in 2008, Ducasse picked up first-team Associated Press FCS All-American status protecting the blind side last fall.
Despite his physical tools, Ducasse has a ways to go before successfully taking on veteran NFL defenders. Although he engulfed and pancaked smaller FCS players, he wasn't as dominating as some would have you believe. Some teams will project him inside to use his size and mobility without worrying about his raw technique and lack of experience protecting their franchise player.
Pass blocking: Reliable pass protector, using length and size not seen at the FCS level. Uses those attributes to anchor or run smaller rush ends around the pocket. Needs quite a bit of work in his pass protection technique before moving on to the next level. Stands upright and bends at the waist; will lose his balance when extending against better college players, much less NFL pass rushers. Inconsistent with his punch, catching rushers too often and giving up too much ground to less talented players. Will stop his feet after initial contact, shrinking the pocket. Recovery speed against outside-in or spin moves is questionable.
Run blocking: Gets out of his stance with enough agility to seal the edge, get out in front of stretch plays and screens as well as to find the MIKE linebacker at the second level. Controls his body and keeps his feet moving to find and ride smaller defenders out of the play. Will combo block and use his length to knock late blitzers off their approach. Must extend his arms when drive blocking; keeps his hands too low and against his body, and will give up leverage against NFL defenders. Loses his balance and gets tossed aside by smaller ends when reaching for them on the edge.
Pulling/trapping: His foot quickness will allow him to get around trash and quickly move to his target when pulling or trapping. Even though he is inconsistent hitting targets on the move, his athleticism should allow him to improve there and take out linebackers inside.
Initial Quickness: Good initial drive off the snap as a run blocker, getting into the jersey of his man and quickly collapsing the tackle when blocking down. Must speed up his first step in his kick slide, but has the athleticism to do so.
Downfield: Good mobility in space, easily getting to the second level and beyond. Understands angles, and is able to move his feet to create them. Willing to mix it up with anyone coming into his area. Fails to hit his intended target and adjust to players coming from inside at times. Hesitates before getting downfield to help his ballcarrier.
Intangibles: Voted co-captain by his teammates, Ducasse is a good student in the classroom and film room who lets his play do his talking for him. He must prove he can step up his consistency and effort against better competition.
The Broncos' serious deficiency on the interior offensive line should be addressed early in the draft, and I think Ducasse is an excellent addition to this line. The 45th pick might seem early for a player who could be considered very raw, but you park a 6'5" 330 pound man next to Ryan Clady with raw skills, and good things are bound to happen.
Broncos select VLADIMIR DUCASSE, OG, UMASS with the 45th pick in the 2010 Draft
Denver's next area of need is also pressing. The Broncos just released Andra Davis today, and it's hard to expect Spencer Larsen or Wesley Woodyard to fill in as the full time starter. The Broncos will likely continue to use a rotation regardless of who is brought in to fill Davis' shoes, but I don't think they could be staring a more ideal prospect in the face at this point in the draft.
South Carolina's Eric Norwood has been receiving rave reviews as of late from NFL scouts all across the spectrum. Norwood is a 6'1" 245 pound playmaker who has gone unnoticed on many draft boards.
That should change immediately.
Though labelled undersized for his position, Norwood has been extremely consistent as arguably the best linebacker in the SEC over the last three years. His career numbers prove that. Here is a scouting report from NFL Draft Scout:
Norwood averaged 75 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss and 7.5 sacks as a starter for Steve Spurrier. He's the only player in South Carolina history to have earned first-team all-SEC honors three straight years.
With his all-conference production and 38 games played by the end of the 2008 season, including 25 consecutive starts, Norwood considered leaving South Carolina early for the NFL Draft. He returned after receiving a disappointing mid- to late-round grade by the NFL Advisory Committee.
Characterized by some as strictly an undersized pass-rush specialist at defensive end, Norwood's play improved in 2008 after being moved to outside linebacker. He stayed at OLB in '09 and enjoyed career-best tackle numbers (81). His position change was largely in name only, however, as he still typically rushed the passer -- though now from varying angles and from the stand-up position.
While his production was impressive, scouts wonder where to put him in the NFL. Norwood appears to be a classic "tweener" who lacks the bulk to remain at defensive end full-time, the straight-line speed and agility for coverage responsibilities as an outside linebacker, or the experience at inside linebacker.
His production cannot be discounted, especially considering the breakout campaign enjoyed by "too short, too slow" Elvis Dumervil in Denver this season. South Carolina's all-time leader in sacks (29) and tackles for loss (54.5), Norwood only needs a creative defensive coordinator to find a role for him.
Read & React: Much more instinctive than most believe, though he's allowed to freelance a bit. As such, he isn't as gap-disciplined as some teams would like. Often asked to rush the passer, but keeps his head up and locates the ball quickly on screens and draws. High effort in pursuit yards downfield.
Run defense: Lacks the bulk to stack and shed as a defensive end, but flashes an explosive pop and good lateral agility to disengage as a linebacker. Protects his knees well and flows through the trash efficiently on his way to the ballcarrier. Takes good angles to the ball in traffic, but lacks the straight-line speed to catch up in the open field.
Pass defense: Norwood's greatest weakness. Slow, choppy backpedal. Marginal straight-line speed and change-of-direction agility to remain with tight ends and running backs in coverage. Lacks the straight-line speed and fluidity for coverage but shows good instincts and has a knack for being at the right place at the right time.
Tackling: Good strength and lateral agility to slide off of blocks to make tackles at or behind the line of scrimmage. Breaks down well in space to make the stop against smaller, quicker athletes. Secure wrap-up tackler who shows some explosiveness as a hitter.
Pass Rush/Blitz: Effective pass rusher either standing up or with his hand on the ground. Thick build with solid overall musculature. Good burst off the line of scrimmage at the snap. Can pressure the tackle's outside shoulder and consistently threaten the pocket off the edge. Natural leverage advantage and good strength to get under the pads of the offensive tackle for an effective bull rush. Only marginal flexibility and balance to dip under and slip around the tackle as a pass rusher. Good closing speed.
Intangibles: High-effort defender and leader on and off the field. Voted team captain for the 2009 season. Earned his degree in criminal justice in 3 1/2 years despite not gaining admittance to South Carolina on his first three attempts. Is the first from his family to graduate. Operated in a defensive scheme tailored to fit his strengths. Allowed to do a lot of freelancing in the South Carolina scheme. Has the instincts, physicality and size for some to project him at inside linebacker. Considered leaving early for the NFL last season, but despite his gaudy statistics only received a fourth-to-seventh-round grade by the Advisory Committee.
NFL Comparison: Tedy Bruschi, New England Patriots
Norwood is described as relentless, and the comparison to Tedy Bruschi is a huge plus for this kid.
Broncos select ERIC NORWOOD, ILB, SOUTH CAROLINA with the 58th pick in the 2010 draft
In the third round, the Broncos don't necessarily have the "luxury" of depth, but in a sense they do. This draft is absolutely stocked with legitimate offensive line prospects, and fortunately for the Broncos, many of those prospects have expertise on the interior line.
One such prospect is the wall known as John Jerry, brother of former first round pick Peria Jerry of the Atlanta Falcons.
Jerry is a 6'6" 328 pound mauler who is considered quite athletic despite his gargantuan body type. The two-time All-SEC performer has started 46 career games at Ole Miss, and has blocked for 1,000 yard backs Ben-Jarvus Green-Ellis and Dexter McCluster. Here is a full scouting report from NFL Draft Scout:
NFL scouts are hoping that the success of rookie Michael Oher with the Baltimore Ravens can be duplicated with another all-conference Rebel in Jerry. The 6-5, 350-pounder has the size NFL evaluators are looking for and shows surprising agility for a big man.
The brother of Atlanta Falcons 2009 first-round pick defensive tackle Peria Jerry, John earned second-team All-SEC accolades from the media and league coaches after his first season at right tackle and first-team accolades from both groups this past season. He started the 2007 season at right guard, which is where NFL scouts feel he may project best in the pros.
Pass blocking: Strong punch at the snap as a pass blocker. Sticky hands and can control the pass rusher when he locks on. Can bend at the waist instead of his knees, especially as he wears down. Doesn't consistently place his hands accurately or move his feet actively when in pass protection and too often is left leaning or attempting to recover due to slipped blocks. Has to show more consistent lateral agility and balance to be considered an offensive tackle -- instead of a guard -- in the NFL.
Run blocking: Good initial pop at the line of scrimmage to stun the defender and can overcome his opponent with his strength and mass as a run blocker. Shows some nastiness and looks to pancake his opponent if he senses he's off-balance. Relies on his mass to gain movement at the point of attack.
Pulling/trapping: Surprising agility to get out and around the line. Good initial quickness off the snap, but loses speed quickly and struggles to adjust to moving targets at the second level.
Initial Quickness: Good first-step quickness for the down block, but this is not one of Jerry's relative strengths. Can struggle with smaller, quicker defenders, at least until he gets his hands on them.
Downfield: Intimidating presence at the second level and can wall off defenders from the ballcarrier. Struggles to adjust in space, and too often whiffs at the second level.
Intangibles: Massive man. Not just big, but very strong. Broke the Ole Miss record with 34 repetitions of 225 pounds last year -- a difficult feat considering his long arms. Too heavy and carries unnecessary weight around the middle, which clearly caused him to labor in the second half of games during the 2008 season. Played last season in the 350-360-pound range, but Ole Miss coaches would have liked him closer to 325. The brother of Atlanta Falcons 2009 first-round pick Peria Jerry, a former All-SEC defensive tackle for the Rebels.
NFL Comparison: Leonard Davis, Cowboys
Broncos select JOHN JERRY, OG, OLE MISS with 80th pick in 2010 NFL Draft
In the fourth round, the Broncos can look to address a bevy of needs at positions with a lack of true depth. Tight end comes to mind, or possibly offensive tackle. The Broncos could also use some help in the pass rush department.
As per now, we have very little depth at offensive tackle. Going back to my Iowa roots, there is a kid who doesn't get hardly any publicity who might be the most physically imposing Hawkeye in this class. Standing at 6'7" and 323 pounds is young Kyle Calloway, a versatile performer for Iowa.
Calloway has started primarily at right tackle, but he's kicked over to the left side as needed. Here is a scouting report from NFL Draft Scout:
The Iowa City-to-NFL offensive line early round talent pipeline continues in 2009 with Calloway and junior left tackle Bryan Bulaga. Expect them to join Robert Gallery, Mike Goff, Bruce Nelson, Eric Steinbach, Ross Verba and Marshall Yanda as recent top 100 picks coming from Hawkeye Nation.
Calloway's height and athleticism on the edge is what draws scouts to the film room. The three-year starter earned All-Big Ten honorable mention at right tackle the past two seasons, but has been versatile enough to line up at left tackle in several games in 2007 and play right guard in their January Orange Bowl victory over Georgia Tech.
Although he's not the elite prospect that Gallery, Steinbach or Verba were, Calloway's length, strength, footwork and technique give him a chance for a long pro career -- no matter where he's placed on the line.
Pass blocking: Mirrors and stays low against power defensive ends from his right tackle spot. Sets up quickly in pass protection and uses a good angle on his kick slide, rarely giving up the edge. Absorbs big punches and regularly anchors. Extends his arms to keep rushers at bay but could have a stronger punch to knock them off balance. Works to stay with his man on secondary rushes but will reach more than move his feet. Adjusts to twists but doesn't always recognize or get a hand on inside blitzers. Will get tall and choppy in his footwork against quicker ends.
Run blocking: Attacks edge rushers on run plays, firing his hands into their jersey. Able to move in any direction. Solid combo blocker negates MIKE linebacker or other defenders coming inside-out. Latches onto the numbers and doesn't let go. Keeps a wide base on the edge and keep his hands and feet active to sustain. Likes to keep his man on the ground through the whistle.
Pulling/trapping: Does not pull or trap much in Iowa's zone blocking scheme but has good footwork for his size. Usually under control when on the move. Could trap if moved into the strong-side guard spot but should stay between the tackles.
Initial Quickness: Fires off the ball to run block, often locking down the defensive end on his side. Strong at punching the defensive tackle and quickly getting to linebacker in combo blocks. Quick off the snap into his kick slide for his size.
Downfield: Easily gets to linebackers, finding their numbers with his hands and keeping his feet moving to take them out of the play. Shows good flexibility to adjust in space. Uses angles to keep defenders from running around him to the ball. Typically stays on one block downfield but is agile enough to reach others in his area.
Intangibles: Durable, versatile, tough, and disciplined player with loads of potential. No major character concerns, but was arrested and suspended for a game for operating a moped while intoxicated in June 2009. Took responsibility for his actions.
Broncos select KYLE CALLOWAY, OT, IOWA with first of two 4th round picks
WIth the rest of their picks, I think the Broncos should take a look at Florida wide receiver Riley Cooper, Kentucky inside linebacker Micah Johnson, and New Mexico center/guard Erik Cook. Cooper is projected by NFL Draft Scout as a late fourth round pick, and Johnson is projected as a late sixth, early seventh round pick. Cook is considered a late round pick.
Draft Recap
1. Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
2. Vladimir Ducasse, OG, UMass
3. Eric Norwood, LB, South Carolina
4. John Jerry, OG, Ole Miss
5. Kyle Calloway, OL, Iowa
6. Riley Cooper, WR, Florida
7. Micah Johnson, LB, Kentucky
8. Erik Cook, OL, New Mexico
**Brady Quinn acquired from Browns for future 5th round pick**
If no more free agent acquisitions were made throughout the offseason, which is not likely, I think their depth chart would be very high caliber with a draft like this.
Quarterback: Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn, Tom Brandstater
Running Back: Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter, Peyton Hillis, J.J. Arrington
Fullback: Spencer Larsen
Wide Receiver: Brandon Marshall, Riley Cooper, Kenny McKinley
Wide Receiver: Golden Tate, Jabar Gaffney
Wide Receiver: Eddie Royal, Brandon Stokley
Tight End: Daniel Graham, Tony Scheffler, Richard Quinn
Left Tackle: Ryan Clady, Tyler Polumbus
Left Guard: Vladimir Ducasse, John Jerry
Center: Seth Olsen, Erik Cook
Right Guard: Chris Kuper, John Jerry
Right Tackle: Ryan Harris, Kyle Calloway
Defensive End: Justin Bannan, Marcus Thomas
Nose Tackle: Jamal Williams, Ronald Fields, Chris Baker
Defensive End: Jarvis Green, Ryan McBean
Outside Linebacker: Elvis Dumervil, Eric Norwood
Inside Linebacker: D.J. Williams, Wesley Woodyard
Inside Linebacker: Mario Haggan, Micah Johnson, Eric Norwood
Outside Linebacker: Robert Ayers, Darrell Reid
Cornerback: Champ Bailey, Alphonso Smith
Cornerback: Andre Goodman, Nathan Jones, Tony Carter
Safety: Brian Dawkins, Darcel McBath
Safety: Renaldo Hill, David Bruton, Josh Barrett
Kicker: Matt Prater
Punter: Britton Colquitt
Long Snapper: Lonie Paxton
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Interesting
You have Norwood drafted ahead of, yet backing up Johnson.
Though I agree with the obvious need, this seems heavy on inside linemen.
Tate- Love this guy. He can also come out of his breaks at full speed, similar to Royal. Though shorter than most deep threats, he is money! once the ball is in the air. Offhand, I’d compare him to Percy Harvin, WR with a RB body and mindset.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
Thanks pubkeeper
Norwood has the versatility to contribute at both OLB and ILB. I think it could go either way to him being ahead of or behind Johnson on the inside.
Could be heavy on the linemen, but I think it’s necessary given our current depth.
I am really high on Tate right now. He is a stud, and may be the best overall WR prospect in this draft.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:24 PM MST up reply actions
What no Teabow, what happened
I have to question, all indications are the Browns will likely cut Quinn, why waste a draft pick on him when you can sign him for free.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Why trade?
If you make the trade, you pick up a friendly contract and don’t have to bid for Quinn’s services.
Just another option
I think the Quinn trade is a legitimate option, so I presented it as such. Tebow has also climbed above 45 on NFLDS ranking board, so I didn’t include him in this one, though I would LOVE to still get him somehow.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:25 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry, Sayre. I wasn’t questioning why the Broncos would trade for Quinn, you addressed that well in your post and I agree with the move. I was responding to Broncoman’s question of why one would chose to trade for Quinn rather than wait for his eventual release from the Browns – which, to me, comes down to picking up the remainder of his friendly rookie contract and not bidding with another NFL team who might feel he’s early round talent who just got a raw deal in Cleveland.
Just my opinion, but if Quinn and Orton are 1/2
We are in for a world of pain next season.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I totally dis-agree...
Orton proved himself to be a viable starting QB last year… it wasn’t always pretty, but with a full year under the belt, this year will speak volumes of his total quality.
Quinn would be a very nice backup… IMO…. but my gut says that TommyB will be no. 2 on opening day.
"So tell me what happened."
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by HillisRanUover on Mar 12, 2010 3:39 PM MST up reply actions
Agreed hillis
If you compare ortons 09 numbers to that of cutlers 08 pro bowl year you can see where orton wasn’t as bad as the anti-ortonites would have you believe he actually had a higher passer rating than that being said even Brady said it takes two-three years to learn the offense and with some beef blocking for him this year I am actually very excited about the upcoming season 13-3!!
by tulsabroncofan on Mar 12, 2010 4:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
The Ortmeister rating will be greatly improved this coming season.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
by jayrockstone on Mar 12, 2010 4:23 PM MST up reply actions
Not a one QB FA..
Tells me that the status quo is set, Kyle Orton starter, Chris Simms and Tom Branstater battle for #2. If TB wins then Simms probably let go and a cfa brought in.
I could live with this draft.
You have filled many holes in the OL and by adding Cook gives us another OC. We need not only starters but depth there.
I checked where Norwood was listed on the CBS Sports rankings – #67 – but is listed as an OLB. Does he have the skills to play ILB? Does Micah Johnson have the lateral movement to play ILB? Sorry, not trying to be picky – but this seems important.
I applaud the lack of Tebow – I am not a fan of him. I like Quinn and I hope that he can be a good QB in this league – however, the years in Cleveland have taken a toll on him. Maybe some one on one with McDaniels could change all of that. He needs to build his throwing power.
Thanks Blackknigh
Norwood is listed as an OLB, but he has the size, run stopping capability, and makes good enough reads to play inside in the 3-4. He also can play outside, which is why I have him listed on the depth chart in both capacities. Very versatile performer.
I’ve not picked Tebow in this one because he has climbed on the NFLDS rankings above our pick, and I wanted to present the Quinn trade as an option.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Congratulations Sayer
Finally a draft without Tebow. LOL
Actually, I like your drafts and am still mulling this one.
They all give great information and take on what’s available.
I simply don’t have the inclination or ability to do the research you do, and find these very informative and helpful.
Keep it coming (even, maybe especially, without Tebow)
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 3:46 PM MST reply actions
Blackknigh
We agree on a lot of things. I like your posts.
Know I haven’t responded much, but do read them.
However, I like most, spend time on this site as an indulgence.
Don’t catch everything.
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks, ivan.
I enjoy your posts and look for them.
Thanks ivan
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
I think so too
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:28 PM MST up reply actions
Ah ha!
Even though you stole my thunder(I was working on one too), I would like to congradulate you on your finest work to date. Very similar to the concoctions I have come up with. Arizona is a good trade down partner, Marshall staying is a good choice and minus the controversy of Tebow. We all know you love him and it must have been hard leaving him off. Great job. Rec’d.
Sorry Ken, didn't mean to steal anyone's thunder!
It wasn’t hard leaving Tebow off with the Quinn trade. I think that’s a legitimate option as of now. I think AZ is a very good trade partner, though I’m trying not to get tunnel vision on it. The trade down to get McClain seems to make a ton of sense for both sides.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
I really like Golden Tate.
His ability to go up and get the ball is crazy. It seems that pairs well with Orton’s less-than-accurate deep ball.
by abroncosfanatic on Mar 12, 2010 3:55 PM MST reply actions
I agree
He has serious deep ball skills, and having been a former RB, he has great field vision and is relentless when the ball is in his hands.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:30 PM MST up reply actions
Brady Quinn now, eh?
(Quinn) His accuracy is in question, and his decision making has been suspect.
In question? He’s never passed for over a 53% completion rating, or a passer rating over 67.
Exactly how bad must a QB, any QB have to be before you just say he’s never been better than bad? At least it’s a new QB this week, and at least it’s cheap. It might even be a possibility. But he’s not all roses.
Consider this my official campaign for the Broncos to bring in Brady Quinn if the price is indeed a late round draft pick. There is a very low risk, and a very high potential reward.
I agree that he’s low risk if we could truly get him for that cheap. Not even entirely against him being our third stringer. He’s not accurate though and doesn’t make good decisions. Even you said that. Take away his height and the fact that he’s not hated in the locker room… sound like a McD guy to you? So I doubt he’d be looked at as a backup to an Orton injury.
I’ll tune in next week for Tebow 2.0 or maybe Delhomme.
P.S. I like your picks for the most part.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
You've gotta think
that Quinn throwing to Braylon “Forgot to grab the ball because I was too worried about where I was running” Edwards had to lower his numbers a little. Anywho…not really an excuse.
by abroncosfanatic on Mar 12, 2010 4:12 PM MST up reply actions
Yep, just another option for QB
The first sentence you quoted of me is factual. I didn’t make anything rosy. Sorry, I just didn’t see a need to say his accuracy is abysmal and his passer rating is horrendous. He’s had plenty of horrid circumstances surrounding him, including coaching and rabid fans. For me to consider a QB bad, they need to play to the level of Chris Simms.
Thanks for your comments
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:32 PM MST up reply actions
haha touche on the Simms comment
Would you be freaked if he stayed on the roster? I’m starting to think it’s a possibility. Not because I’m jerking my knee two-weeks into FA, but becaise I’m just not sure we can reach a better option that knows the system like Simms. It would be a surprise, for sure. But after I thought about it, I could see a couple scenarios painted where it could actually make the most sense.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
McKinley
I admit that I’m a Gamecock, so It’s no surprise that I would remind everyone that we have SC’s WR Kenny McKinley on the roster. He is a great receiver and should be ready to show that in 2010 assuming his rehab is successful. He is a 4.4 man who will go over the middle. I really like the idea of Eric Norwood in this draft. He is an ILB with a great motor. I also think we should look (round6/7) at SC’s DE Cliffton Geathers 6’71/2 299 4.98 forty. He is raw, but has great upside and pedigree (35 games, 72 tackles/12 for loss and 6 sacks). SC’s S Darren Stewart 5’11" 213 4.51 is also worth a look-he’s likely to be a free agent (50games 197 tackles, 20 pass break ups and 2 int).
Orangeman
Edited
I bumped Lloyd for McKinley, though that’s subject to change. I like Geathers, and have suggested him in the past. Haven’t researched much on safeties, but I will give that guy a look. Thanks for the info!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:33 PM MST up reply actions
"I keep hearing Spurrier ‘best receiver he coached’."
Ashley Lelie’s coach at Hawaii (June Jones? anyway, the coach played some in the NFL) said the same thing about Lelie. But don’t get me wrong – I have high hopes for McKinley also, but more bcause McD picked him than what Spurrier said.
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I don't understand after saying the following that you or anyone Denver related would want Quinn here.
“What Quinn needs more than anything is a change of scenery. He needs a coaching staff that believes in him, and a fan base that isn’t going to pressure him to win right now. For a late round draft pick, Quinn is better than any quarterback prospect we can get in this year’s draft. He has experience in this system, would have the ideal quarterback coaching staff, and would have a great weight lifted off of his shoulders”.
What Quinn needs more than anything is talent. The Browns believed in him and so did the fans which is why they traded back into the first round to stop his freefall. Sure the regime changed and the new staff didn’t believe in him but that isn’t how it started. They probably stopped believing in him after they watched his game tapes or saw him at practice. If you don’t think the fans in Denver won’t be calling for Quinn to start over Orton and then just as quickly crucifying him for sucking then you must have forgotten about Chris Simms. Fans are the same everywhere. You are right, he does have experience in the system but as mentioned above but he wasn’t that great in college ( sure he scored TD’s) but he wasn’t a winner (13-15 record against teams with a winning record). If anything maybe the Chiefs will trade for him since Charlie Weis coached him. I think he would be a mistake for the Broncos even for a late round pick. I would rather take Derek Anderson for free than spend anything on Quinn. Finally the QB is supposed to have a weight on his shoulders. He is the leader and General of the team. If he can’t handle the pressure or expectations of the QB position then he isn’t cut out for it. It didn’t seem to bother Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco or even Matt Stafford who is on a team as equally sucky as the Browns.
The only thing I agree with in that statement is that we have the ideal QB coaching staff. I really hope Quinn doesn’t come here. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and I hope I didn’t come across as disrespectful. I just am a little passionate about not bringing Quinn here or giving up a draft pick for him.
I'd like to stay with Orton and Tommy B.
It wouldn’t hurt my feelings to give Skelton a look. You can also put me down with those suggesting looking at O’Connell. as well.
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by jayrockstone on Mar 12, 2010 4:26 PM MST up reply actions
You make great points
Still, we saw what a similar kind of pressure did to Kurt Warner in New York. He sucked, was a poor decision maker, but he needed a change of scenery. Quinn has the talent (see first start of career) to succeed in this league, he just needs better coaching. You make a good point about the fans, but I don’t liken his situation to that of Matt Ryan or Joe Flacco. Those guys have a semblance of a supporting cast. Matt Stafford didn’t have a great supporting cast, but he obviously was flustered in his first year as well.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
The defense
Quinn played against in his first start helped him look better than he might have actually been…
the more you practice the luckier you get
Still an NFL defense
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 13, 2010 8:24 AM MST up reply actions
BroncoMath101 - you make me laugh. Thank you!
“What Quinn needs more than anything is talent”
“…or even Matt Stafford who is on a team as equally sucky as the Browns.”
Great lines.
By the way, also don’t solute the suggestion for Quinn as a #2.
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 8:15 PM MST up reply actions
Can you say Rick Mirer?
Finally someone that makes sense. Well done BroncoMath101.
Minus the Brady Quinn pick up
I like the other selections. I would rather pick up Weatherspoon in the 1st than Tate although I’m sure he probably won’t be on the board at that pick.
I'm not currently a fan of defense in round one
We need to upgrade our offense, which was stale in 2009.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
Love it !
I always enjoy your mocks Sayre, keep ’em coming!
by Bronco79 on Mar 12, 2010 4:35 PM MST via mobile reply actions
Thanks!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 4:40 PM MST up reply actions
He has already made the team worse
McDaniels has said on previous occasions that he will not put this team in a position where it is worse off.
He already has. By coming to a team and insisting a good offensive line use techniques they were ill-suited for, and when that did not work, no surprise, he has to blow up the offensive line “for the good of the team”. Not to mention, he forced a running back on said offensive line who was consistently outplayed and produced by a journeyman backup. Hell he already has made it worse.
In a couple years, if he picks right, he will again have a good offensive line in his own image. Until then he will have to divide picks between what we did not really need, if he had stuck with the system, and obvious needs on defense. Moreno better step up, the 12th pick in the draft dubbed the “best running back in the draft” can’t be out performed and produced by a journey man running back no matter how good a pick up he is.
right cause all of Shanny's moves didn't make the team worse off?
I understand you don’t like McDaniels but what do you expect when there is a coaching change? A coach has to run the scheme he was brought up in especially if it is one that has brought great success.
And technically he didn’t make the team worse off. He made them the same…8-8. He improved the team in just about every area except offense. So technicall 2/3 of the team improved which is an improvement right? When McD came in the D and special teams were no good. He improved both. the fact that the O-line regressed doesn’t mean the team is worse. It just means the Offense is worse. IMO he has improved the team if you look at it as a whole.
by BroncoMath101 on Mar 12, 2010 4:44 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
no.. 2/3 of the team didnt improve
If the overall record is still the same. REgardles of how you spin it 8-8 is still 8-8. There are no guarantee’s the defense next year will play the same or better then this years. Likewise the offense. For an offensive coach to come and do worse is scary to say the least. We saw this play out a few years ago with Brian Billick. Great OC who could never duplicate his success but built a great DEF. I fear we may be stuck in the same situation.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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@Keyworth..
The 2008 OL was BEST suited for dive blocking not zone. The zone Broncos actually left around 2006 except for Hamilton. But Clady, Harris, and Kuper are better at power blocking.
So nah, keyworth.., the new change is better.
BTW if you are referencing Jon Keyworth out of CU 1985 then kudo’s to you.
Keyworthpunch
IMO the zone blocking scheme has been obsolete for several years. It suited the traditional 4-3 but not the 3-4 or even the evolved version of the 4-3 (i.e. Minnesota Vikings). McD knew that. Even Shanahan suspected it (to the extent that he could) given his selection of Clady, Harris and Kuper.
With a better power blocking scheme Moreno should be a pretty good back – and more durable.
IMO the sooner you get over your dislike of McX (which is probably inevitable) the less crow you’ll have to eat.
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 8:23 PM MST up reply actions
@Keyworthpunch
Easy now, I watched Buckhalter all of 2008 with the Eagles and always like him a lot more than West-overrated-brook. I was very excited by his pickup. I also disagree with your other comments but I can’t really say a whole lot with two consecutive 8-8 seasons.
the more you practice the luckier you get
I think that the Jury is still out on that!
The last team to win a Super Bowl with a zone blocking scheme was the Bronco’s. So that is just one of many things McDaniels has to change and I for one believe that he is on the right track. Only time will tell but I for one am excited about the future of this organization.
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Sayre! Wow! Love the draft
Great work here with superb content for us to chew on. Rec’d for sure.
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no, dont like
on with the next version
and no to quinn
His accuracy is in question, and his decision making has been suspect.very questionable and even more suspect
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Finally, a mock with Golden Tate
Best reciever in the draft class imo and would love to have him in the first. I’m not sure how I’d feel passing up Pouncey though with only one first rounder. Nice mock Sayre
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Thanks Nate
I think Pouncey would be a nice pick, but Olsen is rumored to be our C of the future if he needs to be, and there are good guard prospects all around in this draft.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Center question.
What about getting Mawae from the Titans to help groom Olsen if that is the case? I’ve been a lurker for over a year and I’m amazed with the research you put in Sayre!
Not a Notre Dame fan anymore!
But I really like Golden Tate and would love him in Orange and Blue but I don’t think they will draft a WR in the first even if they do move down. I also really like the way you keep your mock draft updated and current Mr. Bedinger
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
Thanks
Appreciate it!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 5:00 PM MST up reply actions
Where are all the D-Lineman?
I don’t understand why people think that if a club targets a position in FA, it won’t draft there. When I see a bunch of veteran FAs brought in at a position, that’s where I expect the team to draft, which is why I fully expect McX to draft the D-Line of the future over the next two years. I will be shocked if there is not at least one D-Lineman drafted in the first three rounds and expect more. In fact, I think it’s more probable that they would select four D-Lineman in this year’s draft than four O-Lineman. The strategy is: use FA to solidify a position and use draft to build for the future, at least I hope that’s the strategy. It’s what good teams do, and it’s certainly what McX did last year.
I’m curious on the rational behind your O-Line focus. As Styg pointed out earlier this month in a great story, O-Lineman are typically found in the late rounds and among the undrafted. We’ll see how the rest of FA pans out, but so far I’m assuming they are high on Seth Olsen and may even have him penned in at Center. You also have Fry in the mix, and with the tender of Kuper, the re-signing of Hochstein, and a pair of pro-bowl tackels, I think we’re a lot closer here than many people think.
I guess we’ll know more after the second wave of FA. If they bring in a guy (or guys) like Kevin Mawae or Bobbie Williams, it would signal that they have no confidnece in Olsen, Fry, Kuper, and Hochstein. If they don’t have confidnece in them, then maybe you’re right— they will draft a bunch of O-Lineman (after they sign some FAs of course). If they do not bring in OL FAs, then we can infer that we already have our solid young core on the OL— Clady, Harris, Kuper, Olsen, Fry— and focus the bulk of our draft elsewhere. Remember, in places like Pittsburgh and NE, it’s rare for draft picks to play. Vets play, rooks wait and step in their shoes when you let them go in FA.
I was just about to make the same post.
I agree completely. This draft will be known for the amazing defensive talent available in the first three rounds. You have us taking only one defensive player with the first six picks. Your draft would have us bypassing best player available many times over in order to go with “need.” Most of your mocks are sweet, but this one is not, in my humble opinion.
So we should bypass the offense because this defense has good talent?
I couldn’t disagree more, no offense. This draft is no slouch on the offensive side of the ball either. OL is easily as deep top to bottom as DL. The LB class this year is weak unless you count hybrids at the top end. DB’s are stellar, but WR’s probably have never been better. RB’s are about as weak as LB’s. QB’s are not great, but they aren’t bad either.
If we pick a defensive player in round one, the rest of the draft should be offensive oriented because that’s where we struggled in 09. We’ve already addressed our run defense in free agency, and the only reason you saw 3 DB’s drafted last year after bringing in a bunch of FA DB’s was because our roster was gutted prior to that. We did not gut our D-Line this offseason. That area of our team is set for now.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
You are completely wrong. Let me count the ways.
1. Defensive line in this years draft is one of the strongest ever. Don’t take my word for it, take Mike Mayock’s et. al. Offensive line has been rated good, but not great.
2. ILB is weak this year, I agree, but 3-4 OLB is very good, and very deep.
3. WR’s have never been better??? You will be lucky to have one WR taken in the first 20 picks and they have never been better???? This is a relatively weak WR class.
4. Running back is VERY strong in the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round range.
5. You make the mistake of wanting to specifically target offense, defense, etc. The long-term best way to build a team is to go after best player available, within reason, regardless of offense/defense. Just because we picked up 90% defense in free agency doesn’t mean we have to pick up 10% defense in the draft.
6. You said we have “already addressed our run defense.” I have news for you, we are not done. There will be more house cleaning, mark my words. Our run defense is better, but it will be addressed further.
7. Who we pick up in free agency will effect our draft very little. In other words, the mocks you did a few weeks ago, that I agreed with, are probably much better because they reflected best player available primarily, not need first.
by swg777 on Mar 12, 2010 5:23 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
1. Sure, at the top end there is Suh and McCoy which automatically makes it strong. Then you have Dan Williams as your number three, and he was a fringe third round prospect at the outset of the year. Carlos Dunlap has insane athletic ability, and bust written all over him. Brian Price and Jared Odrick are fringe first round picks, and Terrence Cody is probably the next best after those guys. Derrick Morgan is a solid DE prospect, and Jason Pierre Paul is this year’s Vernon Gholston or Jarvis Moss. There is decent depth toward the middle, but overall the offensive line class is far superior.
Six first round prospects at tackle alone with Okung, Bulaga, Davis, Campbell, Williams, and Brown. Iupati is the best guard prospect to emerge in years, and Maurkice Pouncey is a similar talent at center. Those are the first round prospects. As you’ve seen from many of my mocks, there is tremendous value in EVERY round at OG/C/T.
2. We’re agreed
3. I can’t remember a deeper class of wide receivers. Dez Briscoe, who was considered at the outset of the season to be a first round talent, currently ranks 17th on CBS. Eric Decker, one of my favorite prospects in this draft at WR is ranked 14th. Arrelious Benn, who was considered at one point to be a lock top 15 pick is ranked 7th. This is the deepest class of receivers I have ever seen on paper.
4. Running back is not a strong position in any round other than the first, unless you’re assuming Matthews and Best fall to the 2nd, then I agree. Every other player is an injury prone workout warrior.
5. I agree about going for BPA, but if it happens to fit an area of need then it’s just peachy with me.
6. There’s no way to deny we have already addressed our run defense, and I think we should be done, or at least not using our highest picks on a crowded area of the team . If McD chooses to go that route, more power to him. I will trust his judgement. I have personally ruled out Dan Williams in round one almost for sure though.
7. That’s not correct. Free agency has an effect. It’s different when you are overhauling at a position. For instance, we cleaned house along the offensive line. Expect us to sign some vets up front, and make that a primary point of emphasis in this draft.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 8:57 PM MST up reply actions
1. You mentioned 8 to 9 potential first round defensive linemen. Out of 32 picks, to have 8 defensive linemen go in the first would be 25% of all picks. Are you telling me that is not compelling? Again, don’t take my word for it, listen to Charlie Casserly, Mike Mayock, and many others who say this is the deepest defensive line class they have seen.
2. This is not at all a deep class at center. Last year, Alex Mack, Eric Wood, and Max Unger were all rumored to be first round centers! Alex Mack and Eric Wood ended up going in the first and Max Unger went in the early second. There is no way the 2010 center class can approach that!
3. This is not that deep of a class at WR. Here are examples of deep classes at WR. 2005 and 2007 had six WR’s taken in the first round alone! We will not even come close to that in 2010.
4. Once again, don’t take my words for it, take the words of Mike Mayock and Charles Davis who said the value for 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round RB’s is amazing. You said every player other than Matthews and Best is a workout warrior? Doubtful. What about C.J. Spiller? Also, Tate, Hardesty, Dixon, Gerhart?
5. I’ll get back to you when we cut our next player from our defensive line. Our run defense has not been fully addressed, you’ll see. Why rule out Dan Williams??? Did you see the Packers just gave Ryan Pickett a large extension? Didn’t they draft B.J. Raji last year???? Two NT types can actually play at the same time. Especially, in our case, if one of them is older and possibly injury-prone.
6. When did we clean house along the offensive line???? Did I miss that part? We are still, to my knowledge retaining 3/5 of our starting O-line. Clady, Kuper, and Harris. If we cut any of those guys then I will consider it a house cleaning.
Because of your point on #3 Sayre is why I think we won't draft a WR in rd 1. I think comparable talent
can be had in the later rounds whereas defensively probably not so much. besides while I like Tate, I really hope we bring in a big body like Mitchell or D. Thomas rather than another sub 6’ guy.
by BroncoMath101 on Mar 13, 2010 5:40 AM MST up reply actions
I think this is wrong, sorry
Unlike last offseason, when we brought in tons of FA defensive backs, we had previously gutted the roster at that position, and literally had probably just Josh Barrett at S at one point last offseason. Take a look at our defensive line this year. Unless you are assuming that McBean, Thomas, Fields, and Baker are going to be cut before the draft, the defensive line will not be as big a focus as you assume it will be, and especially not early on.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 5:04 PM MST up reply actions
I wouldn't be suprised...
if McBean and Fields are the only two guys from last year’s DL on the 2010 53 man roster. Thomas, Baker and LK Smith will have to have great camps. None of these guys have really done anything here (who would you miss?). If the Broncs were high on Baker, I don’t think they bring in the FAs. So, that leaves two players returning, ala the secondary like last year (Baily and Barrett). I think Thomas, Smith and Baker will be brought to camp, so they will not be cut before draft day, they will likely be cut in late August if they don’t make the team.
Seriously do you think this group is a stretch: Williams, Bannon, Green, Fields, McBean, Rook #1 (first or second round guy like Williams or Cote), Rook #2 (mid round guy), with a late rounder and an undrafted guy on the PS?
What's the rush with Baker?
He was a UDFA and has spent ONE year with the team, which was on the practice squad. What has he done to warrant being cut so soon? “Not play?” Again: what’s the rush? It’s not like we’re expecting the guy to come in and be an All-Pro just yet. Give him time.
I can honestly say I would be upset if Baker and Thomas did not return
Baker was retained on the roster for a reason. Thomas could be on the outside looking in, but I don’t know. LK Smith is not guaranteed a roster spot, but again, you still take Powell and PDX into consideration and this is a loaded area for the Broncos. THere is a lot of talent there. Do I oppose DL completely? No, but I think we have a huge hole along the offensive line, and there is a ton of talent there in this draft.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 9:01 PM MST up reply actions
We'll see how it all plays out...
In my original comment, I wasn’t saying that the broncos would draft four DL, I juts said it would be more likely than drafting four OL. However, I do see them drafting a DL in the first three rounds, and maybe taking a flyer on a late round project they could have some PS flexibility with. A dominate nose tackle is arguably the most important position on our defense. Although I thought Fields played well last year, I wouldn’t say he was dominate. Hopefully, we can get a year or two out of Williams and/or Bannon, but I don’t expect much more, and because it takes D-Lineman a few years to develop, I hope we try to find a dominate guy either this year or next year in the draft.
If you look at the pro bowl defensive lineman over the past five years the vast majority were selected in rounds one or two. Here’s a table I threw together:
Marcus Stround (2006)— 13th Pick of 2001 Draft
Jamal Williams (2006, 2007, 2008)— Round 2 of the 1998 Supp Draft
Casey Hampton (2006, 2007, 2008, 2010) 19th Pick of 2001 Draft
Shaun Rodgers (2006, 2009)— 61st Pick of 2001 Draft
Tommie Harris (2006, 2007, 2008)— 14th Pick of 2004 Draft
La’Roi Glover (2006)— 5th round of 1996 Draft
Kevin Williams (2007, 2008, 2009, 2010)— 9th Pick of 2003 Draft
Pat Williams (2007, 2008, 2009)— Undrafted
Kris Jenkins (2007, 2009)— 44th Pick of 2001 Draft
Albert Haynsworth (2008, 2009)— 15th Pick of 2002 Draft
Vince Wilfork (2008, 2010)— 21st Pick of 2004 Draft
Darnell Dockett (2008, 2010)— 3rd Round of 2004 Draft
Jay Ratliff (2009, 2010)—7th Round of 2005 Draft
Haloti Nagta (2010)—12th Pick of 2006 Draft
Of these fourteen guys, seven were first rounders, three were second rounders, (I included Jamal here because SD had to give up a second rounder to get him), and one third rounder. My point is, most of the dominate players—80% of these guys— are drafted early. I think you’re right Sayre, there is quite a bit of talent on the current roster, but most of these guys are over 30 and we need to start thinking about the future, and the future is what the draft is all about. Taking a shot at Dan Williams, Terrence Cody, or Cam Thomas would be worth it in my opinion.
As for Baker, man oh man, do I hope he’s the monster we’re looking for down there, but the above percentages are not in his favor. The percentages don’t mean he isn’t a monster, it’s just concerning to me that the guy went undrafted. I realize he had “charachter issues” which led from him switching schools and he played his last two years at a small school, but if a guy’s talent is great enough usually he’ll get drafted. That’s a concern. Also, if the coaches thought he was on the verge of competing why bring in all these guys? Maybe he’s still a year away, but who knows… my point in the original post was, brining in a couple of rookies doesn’t mean he won’t make the team, he’ll just have to have one hell of a training camp, which is a good thing.
All I’m saying is don’t be suprised to see one of our top picks this year go for a D-Lineman, and I also wouldn’t be shocked to see a late rounder or two thrown in this direction as well. It would make for a great training camp battle. You’d have one or two spots to fill with Baker, Thomas, LK Smith, Powell, PedX, and a couple of rookies battling it out.
by ButteBronco on Mar 13, 2010 10:13 AM MST up reply actions
What you're saying, in most cases, does make sense.
But to every rule, there is an exception. If Baker is what many of us wish him to be, he’ll prove it in camp. I fully expect to see him on the field this coming season.
Please don’t think I’m picking on you, but I’d like to help you with something. The word “dominate” is a verb. The word “dominant” is the word your looking to use, here. When a player is DOMINANT at his position, he will DOMINATE his opponent.
Thank you for your valuable input.
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by jayrockstone on Mar 13, 2010 12:47 PM MST up reply actions
If we could get a player of Haloti Ngata's caliber
I would crap my pants. Dan Williams is not of the caliber or size of Haloti Ngata. He’s nothing of the athlete Ngata is. If we take a D-lineman in the first two rounds, I hope we take Cam Thomas in the later part of the second round. He has ideal size at 6’4" 331 and is extremely athletic. I would also rather take Terrence Cody who is 6’5" 349 I believe. Now if we took one or both of those guys in round two, I would be ecstatic. As has been pointed out, there is a ton of later round talent at OL in this draft.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 13, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
But you were all over Dan Williams just weeks ago...
What changed? The Combine where he had a good performance?
I like Cody too..
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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Arizona isn't going to trade away 2nd and 4th Round Picks and who is going to play Center???
Just a little crazy!!! Good job though
According to the trade value chart
Denver is getting hosed if that’s all they get back. Olsen is playing center.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 5:08 PM MST up reply actions
That's the problem
The trade value chart isn’t set in stone. Just because the points work out that way doesn’t make it a fair trade. If they traded their 1st and 3rd, that would be more realistic.
Not really
Moving down 15 spots in the first round and only getting a late third round pick in return? Not realistic IMO, but I could be wrong.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 12, 2010 9:02 PM MST up reply actions
Everyone
is quick to judge. These are tough. You have gone through alot of effort and I for one appreciate it.
On your delimma of “How?” Arizona will manage to get our #11 without giving up to much in this draft, may I suggest a future pick. It went over well in my mock. Say a swap of 1sts, for the #88 and next year’s 2nd. You have gotten mixed reviews on Quinn. One thing for sure is, now that most UFAs have been sorted through, teams WILL start looking at lower tendered RFAs and guys on the trading block. Again nice mock.
Wiegman has signed with the Chiefs!
I say good for him. He was a class act here.
"you can lead a moron to the facts but you can't make him think"
Love the mock, your best Sayre..
Only one change, #26 I think Pouncey is on the board.
Only one FA OL brought in (Hadnot) and no offer, kind of tells me that what they have and what they see in the draft is the plan.
Love Norwood at #58 but he’s OLB right? What do you think of Butler Washington at #58?
Bulk in the middle with Cook, Ducasse, Callaway, and Jerry.
Good job
If there is any team that should have learned it’s lesson about Cleveland Browns rejects it should be us.
We are looking for OL guys about 315 lbs with good run blocking skills as well as the pass blocking ability.
In reference to the OC and OG, we need guys who can withstand a bull rush from not just one “moose” but possibly two. If you look at the guys available in FA right now, I don’t know how many of those guys – I don’t have a list – fit our needs. Plus with more 3-4 defenses, the kind of OL people we want is going to be wanted by more teams around the league. Thus the draft may be the place to find them.
This is not dissing the guys that are already here. We need to have depth as well as very good starters. And good competition will draw out their worth.
To the DL: we already have a pretty good crew. We have older experienced guys; we have young guys and some guys pushing to make a mark for themselves. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a pickup there if we have filled other needs.
Sayre, you gave us 2 good LB candidates. Though I would have favored different people in some instances, this is a good draft.
I think that Hadnot signed with Arizona.
I heard that there were some “issues” with Hadnot in Cleveland. Also that he wanted more money that we were willing to pay. Apparently that got ironed out with AZ.
He did sign with AZ
Which is fine, to me. What he wanted wasn’t what Denver was going to give.
We still have a couple of centers. As Jeremy noted recently, Ben Hamilton is still listed as a guard/center. He has interviewed elsewhere, but has not had much interest (I’m not that much interested either, just being informative). Dustin Fry is the only pure center currently listed. The concept of Olsen as a center was floated last year when he was drafted – the most recent word on him that I heard was that during the season he had a few sail when he was snapping for the shotgun. I haven’t heard anything since then, but secrecy this time of year is going to be very tight.
My point here is that we actually have a few options for both center and guard – although I often hear that the Denver prototype is 315ish, that’s still based in assumptions. The OL class for this year is bigger, faster and stronger than ever and Denver may go that route. We have Clady at 325 last I checked. Fry is 326, Matt McChesney was offered a futures contract and he’s 6’4 and 335. With a single good draft and enough time to get them ready, we could be looking at a line that is mostly 325+, which wouldn’t upset me at all. Harris and Kuper are smaller, but we could as easily be in a trend toward much greater size as not. Ducasse, for example, is quite athletic despite being a match for McChesney. We may or may not go there, but we’re closer than most folks think.
It all starts with the lines
+1
I suspect there is at least one good prospect for both OC and OG already on the roster. Fry and Olsen are most often mentioned. Don’t know much about McChesney or Batiste except they are big.
However, I actually expect an OL pick (or picks) early – probably OTs. I think the trend is that bigger, faster OCs and OGs will be crucial to counter the evolutions to 3-4 defense. If the NTs continue to get bigger and faster, OCs will have to as well.
by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 12, 2010 8:31 PM MST up reply actions
Brady Quinn acquired from Browns for future 5th round pick
HA! Good one! For a second there, I thought you were serious….
I have many doubts about Tebow but I’d much rather see Denver take a flyer on him than….blech….don’t know if I can say it….B. Quinn……ugh…..
by Gristle McThornbody on Mar 12, 2010 6:13 PM MST reply actions
Exactly.
blech….don’t know if I can say it….B. Quinn……ugh…..
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I dont like hagan goin inside but the dline looks beast
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How tall is Tate,
I really don’t want to many short wideouts out there, I don’t care how good they are. Orton is accruate SOMETIMES. Marshall’s size allowed him to catch some balls that weren’t the best thrown. Corners are bigger and taller then they’ve ever been. I want a mix of size out there and if Marshall is gone we just got alot smaller at that position
Thanks Emmett and ivan for your comments.
Maybe our next great need is a backup center. It is not an easy task to convert to center if you have never done it before – especially in a shotgun formation.
So many of your mock drafts were mega home runs for Denver, I guess it was finally time we saw a mock like this which would be a bit of a worst case scenario. Trading down for marginal talent and securing little to no help in 2010. Yikes
I hope we have a draft like some of your previous mocks and not this one.
You never know though, guess that is the fun of the draft.
In my opinion.
All the other mocks had
us getting a bounty for Marshall, Scheff and sometimes Hillis. This one is real.
Quinn for late round pick this year or next
isn’t a bag idea. We get a backup who has played some games with no help around him in cleveland. He is a better option than Simms or Delhomme and has been in the system in the past.
Other than that I have to Agree with McGeorge this mock doesn’t excite me as much as your past mock drafts. Golden Tate has a big heart but we already have Eddie.
I dont like the Tate pick for you guys
I like the double deep at OLB and interior OL, those moves can never hurt. Its just my opinion, that getting a CB in the low first would be enormous value. WRs are notoriously risky first round selections. Even the ones that turn out good can take awhile to produce.
This is your first mock draft that would actually excite me...
until I saw Brady Quinn’s name .. lol
But for the rest, good job. Finally some realistic stuff
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I was actually hoping:
That we would get Quinn last year to compete with Orton for the starting job. I’m glad we didn’t, Orton wouldn’t have been able to prove his competancy. I would love to get Quinn as a backup to compete with – IMO – a surprisingly well-groomed 2nd year Brandstater.
Something to remember with the 2nd and 3rd string QBs. When you’ve got stellar QB coaching (which we do with McDaniels, and McCoy) its not unreasonable for us to pick up a guy like Quinn for a couple years, create some value and than send let anyone of our 3 QBs to go in a trade. Philly did it this year between McNabb, Vick, and Colb. It’s definitely plausible.
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Meant to say:
If Philly does it this year with McNabb, Vick, and Kolb, then its definitly plausible.*
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by Alexander Wall on Mar 13, 2010 1:56 AM MST up reply actions
NFL doesn't mean Notre Dame Football Lovers (NDFL)
Still too much Notre Dame and Tebow lovin’ here! Brady Quinn is a known quantity and there is no way he is a plus even on the bench. Golden Tate? How about Justin Fargas and ask Tim Brown out of retirement too? The Broncos will look to draft someone on the DL in the 1st round, unless they go with an LB. Outside of DL, OT and LB no other position has depth to warrant a 1st round pick meeting the team’s needs – Alphonso Smith would probably be the top player rated this year as a CB. At safety Berry will be gone and Mays is a work out wonder. Bradford won’t make it to 11 and Clausen is another Brady story waiting to happen. RB isn’t a position of need as you noted, and the 1st round talent is at OT where the Broncos are set. Later rounds will bring an OG and C that they’’ll want to start or at least come close to starting. Return specialists are still a huge need, but those can be found later in the draft.
Agree with some, not all though
The best CB in this year’s class is easily Joe Haden, and Smith wasn’t that caliber coming out really at all. Close in some capacity, but not really. If we could trade back in the first and get Dan Williams, I would be fine with it. If we could trade back and get Iupati, I would also love that. If we stay at 11 and take Dan Williams over Joe Haden or someone like that, I will be very curious.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 13, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Haden is not the pick - think DL or LB and don't be surprised if they trade back
Haden runs a full 1.0 second worse than even A. Smith ran at the combine. CBs that look good against the pass in the QB poor SEC are a huge risk. He could easily slip to 15-20 or below that. With the QBs in the SEC plus the Gators pass rush, I think most people can play DB well. I’m not a big fan of UT (Tennesse and Texas) guys in the draft and I’d include Ayers in there so hope they don’t take D. Williams. The best scenario is to have Clausen fall to 11 and have someone desperate to trade up and get an extra pick or two in the top 2 or 3 rounds. The value in this draft is 20 ~ 50 and the Broncos should do what they have to and try and get two picks in there in exchange for their 11th. You will see A. Smith improve this year – for a guy used to playing pure corner and then expecting him to play the slot and nickel is a big transition. He looked lost but that is more scheme than ability. The nose for the ball is there and once he gets the deer in the headlights out of him he’ll be a very good pick up.
I cant wait for the draft!!!
I hope we draft this guy
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by Cali_BroncosFan on Mar 13, 2010 4:01 PM MST reply actions

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