Broncos trade Peyton Hillis, 6th Round Pick for QB Brady Quinn
by John Bena on Mar 14, 2010 3:26 PM MDT
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The Denver Broncos have agreed to trade fullback Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a conditional 2012 draft selection to the Cleveland Browns in exchange for quarterback Brady Quinn, pending physicals
Credit to the Broncos on this one. They saw an opportunity to improve the quarterback situation and jumped at it. I'm not saying that Brady Quinn will be the starting quarterback, not at all, but Quinn is an improvement over Chris Simms and he has upside.
For a chance at that upside, the Broncos traded Peyton Hillis and two low-round draft picks in future years. Before we go any further, I like Peyton Hillis. I always have. For one reason or another, Hillis was not going to play. I have my reasons why, but the important thing is he wasn't going to play. I hope for nothing but the best for Hillis - and this is a great place for Peyton to land. He's a West Coast guy. He flourished in that system under Mike Shanahan and should do the same under the Mike Holmgren version.
Back to Quinn. Whether your like Brady Quinn or not, there is nothing about this trade to not like. There is ZERO risk for the Broncos. The Broncos now have some insurance with Kyle Orton playing on the 1-year deal. If Quinn finds himself in a new city, the Broncos come out huge winners. If not, the Broncos are no worse for wear. What's not to like?
We'll have more about the trade tonight on MHR Radio!
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When Peyton Hillis falls from a boat into a body of water......Peyton Hillis doesn't get wet, water gets Peyton Hillis'd
We just
traded Hillis(who we all know wasn’t used) and 2 very late round picks in the next 2 drafts for a past 1st round draft pick. It screams steal.
Really, so if we made this trade for someone like Joey Harrington, that constitutes a steal
Remember we got players like Terrell Davis in the 6th round
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by Broncoman on Mar 14, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha need to chang my screen name now lol
When Peyton Hillis falls from a boat into a body of water......Peyton Hillis doesn't get wet, water gets Peyton Hillis'd
by P. Hillis#1 on Mar 14, 2010 3:29 PM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Best comment ever.
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by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 3:42 PM MDT up reply actions
P.Hillis#1
LOL! Love that signature!
Looking forward to the second year in McDaniels system!
by milehighinTO on Mar 14, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions
may i suggest
B. Quinn#1?
… lol or not… ; )
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by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:50 PM MDT up reply actions
We have
Orton Quinn Brandstater and Simms who will likely be traded. No Way we draft a QB with 3 qb’s on the roster
Thank You
I was gonna call you on that!
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We could trade him...
For a heaping pile of jack-squat……That’d be a steal.
How much
guaranteed money does he have?
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
i think
i read he’s owed 700k each of the next two years guaranteed. But that jumps to almost 6 Mill if he plays over 70% of the snaps. Simms I think was 2.5 mill a year, not sure when he’s cut if the second year was guaranteed or for how much
Bronco Learning Curve
"I don’t want to lose any time... I don’t want the team thinking I’m a money-first guy. I’m here to play football and to win. Money is secondary." Robert Ayers
"I’m still around .... I might just do it for my own well-being. I don’t get no bonuses for it, I’m just doing it because this is what I do." Doom
"He can throw a fastball, he can throw a touch ball, he throws an awesome deep ball" Brandon Lloyd on K.O.
dumb...
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 14, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
What's dumb?
Are you happy with our QB situation right now? Orton, Quinn and Brandstater (we all know Simms is as good as gone)? I don’t think any of them are a long term answer and it wouldn’t surprise me if McD and X still draft a QB. 3 QB’s on the roster and one on the practice squd. Nothing dumb about trying to find a long term solution at QB.
First, you don't keep a QB on the practice sqaud...
especially if they have any value… because some team will simply sign him away, and you will have thrown away a draft pick…
and yes… I am pretty happy with our QB situation… Orton, Quinn and Brandstater sound like a very decent QB set…. IMO.
How the Heck is Hillis supposed to Run You Over if he plays in Cleveland...
by HillisRanUover on Mar 14, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
You really think someone would sign Tom B away?
I doubt anyone would “steal” Tom Brandstater from us if he ended up on the practice squad.
because it's dumb
no QB is considered a ‘QB of the future’ unless he plays in the superbowl…or his initials are JC…so how ‘bout we wait and see? Considering we’ve got three projects at various stages at QB right now it’d be foolish to add more unless Brandstater isn’t coming along for some reason…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Orton's a project?
Three projects at QB? That makes it should like our QB situation is worse off then I thought.
This trade doesn’t bode well for Brandstater. I’m assuming that McD isn’t impressed with him to the point where he would make a trade for a 1st round bust hoping he can become the backup. We all know that Simms is toast so I was hoping Brandstater was far enough along to where he could become the back up. Obviously, that probably won’t happen now and there’s a chance he gets cut or maybe put on the practice squad. I still want to see us draft a QB if Brandstater is nothing more than a 3rd stringer or practice squad QB.
crap... i no longer exist...
i must be re-born…
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
bradyquinnRanUover
hmmm… just doesn’t flow…
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 14, 2010 3:34 PM MDT up reply actions
QuinnRanUover?
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
by jayrockstone on Mar 14, 2010 3:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, this is a big trade. BIG steal for Denver.
First off, 2 late round picks + an unused player from 09 for a guy that has a good upside….That’s a damn good deal.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
by Joe Medina on Mar 14, 2010 3:30 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
and someone who was rumored
to be considered by McX last year in the JC lottery too. They liked him last year per the word on the street
Bronco Learning Curve
"I don’t want to lose any time... I don’t want the team thinking I’m a money-first guy. I’m here to play football and to win. Money is secondary." Robert Ayers
"I’m still around .... I might just do it for my own well-being. I don’t get no bonuses for it, I’m just doing it because this is what I do." Doom
"He can throw a fastball, he can throw a touch ball, he throws an awesome deep ball" Brandon Lloyd on K.O.
Very good, tho
Lombardi says he is not an NFL QB. I hope he realizes he isnt trying to win a “hot bod” contest and focuses on what it takes to become an NFL QB. This is his proverbial 2nd chance to prove he belongs. I for one, hope he flourishes.
Welcome to Denver, BQ.
by Orange and Blue on Mar 14, 2010 3:31 PM MDT reply actions
McD to the rescue
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
McDaniels has what he wants
TOM brandstater. BRADY quinn. = TOM BRADY! It is all figured out now!!
by Colby on Mar 14, 2010 3:37 PM MDT reply actions 15 recs
All that's left is to use mad sciencee to combine the two of them into one Super-QB.
Then the Broncos shall be unstoppable.
Great one, Colby
McD must see something in him that he likes – it’s going to be interesting to see what it is.
It all starts with the lines
+1
that’s awesome
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Oh My God
My head literally just exploded….literally.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 14, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
then how did you type that comment?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
using the disembodied sentience of his decapitated cadaver.
I think. Just guessing based on a few zombie films I’ve seen.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Seen one, seem them all.
This used to be true for vampire movies until Twilight came barging in and ruined everything.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
True Blood has ruined me for any other vampire movies or television
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
That and "Let the Right One In"
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
ahh...you are probably correct
so we should just refer to him as zombietdotbronco
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
sorry T.dot...I just have a pet peeve about
the use of the word literally. Literally, I do
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Shoulda got that on tape
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
by jayrockstone on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
How many YouTube views is that worth?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL!!! okay that wins for comment of the day
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
HA!
Seriously, you should win something for that. Someone send this guy a tee shirt or something…LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:22 PM MDT up reply actions
I really like this.
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When you think about it
We really gave up nothing for Quinn this year. Peyton was never really used last year and the late picks we gave up are for later years.
On a side note, the Browns signed Delhomme, who’s set to make a total of $19.7M this year. Brady Quinn will be a good backup with upside, for next to nothing. We got a steal. I’m actually surprised they let him go for so cheap.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I like it except for 1 thing
Whoever gets the starting job, the first time they struggle, people are going to be screaming for the other QB. I hate the thought of that.
by Broncoholic_07 on Mar 14, 2010 3:41 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I'm interested to hear the words from McDaniels
Either he says it’s open competition, or more likely in my eyes, he says loud in clear, “Orton is our starter”.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I have no doubt
McD knows what he wants and the team will know beyond any doubt who his QB is before the season. It’s the image of fans at Invesco screaming for the backup at the first sign of adversity that I don’t look forward to. Kind of like when we had Plummer/HeWhoShallNotBeNamed a couple years back. I just hope the fan base trusts McD’s judgement.
by Broncoholic_07 on Mar 14, 2010 3:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I think
most of us here on MHR trust his judgement. I know that I do. I think he knows exactly what he wants and what he is doing. I am excited to see what is going to happen now.
Agreed
Most here at MHR know what is best for the Broncos though. It’s just too bad all the fans don’t hang out here and read the content to become truly educated about the team and the team needs. :)
by Broncoholic_07 on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Easy there friends....
Orton/Quinn doesn’t exactly scream Brady/Bledsoe, eh?? If KO struggles, not sure if I’d be jumping up an down screaming from the swoll EAS sponsor to jump in…
hahahahahhah
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- Sun Tzu
That's on the coach to handle...
It happened last year with Simms…Unless you have a guy like Elway, it will always happen. I agree, though. If you have 2 QBs, you have zero.
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Yeah the browns tried
the 2 QB thing. seems like it worked out for them LOL
The thing about Orton
To me, is that he’s never had a guy truly just believe in him and with him being in the new system, I think Coach will declare him “our guy”. If camp changes things, so be it. But even with Simms, competition was over early. Competition is the way to go in most cases, but showing confidence in Orton, given the history, could mean the difference in taking the next step.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Mar 14, 2010 3:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quinn is no threat to Orton in the short term
Maybe after a couple of training camps, Quinn might be ready to challenge him. By that time Brandstater will be groomed as well.
It happened with Elway too.
Remember ‘fans’ screaming for Tommy Maddox to take over? Biggest fandom FAIL I can remember…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
by ncm42 on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I think Orton will start
When I first heard the news, I thought that it was a good pickup because Quinn can sit for the year and learn the system (which he is already familiar with) and if Orton doesn’t take a major step forward this year, then the Broncos might let him go instead of paying him big money next off-season and let Brandstater and Quinn duel it out.
If you exclude the fact that Quinn is a big name, then this trade to me was essentially the same as drafting a QB with that 6th round pick. Quinn is obviously a superior player right now then anyone that could have been had with that 6th round pick.
That's how I see it, too
Orton as the clear starter… 2011 is too far to determine.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Xanders = thief.
He just stole Quinn. Mark my words, this is a great deal for Denver.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Agree
We just traded a player we never really used, and some low draft picks, good deal, hopefully.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
How much and how much longer
is Quinn’s contract?
Quinn signed...
a five-year, $9.25 million contract as a rookie in 2007
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So he has around
two years and $3.7 million left?
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 3:44 PM MDT up reply actions
3.7 mill is LOADED with incentives from what I understand...
his actual footprint on the salary is much smaller than the guy he’s likely to replace: Chris Simms.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
lol
i wouldn’t mind paying him the incentives if he can put up the production.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions
+1 higgy
Incentives = Money well spent.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
and keep his shirt on. ^^
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Well I remember last year
during the Cutler sweepstakes that Quinn’s name came up quite a bit as a potential target for the Broncos and we ended up settling on Orton. It seems McD has two QB’s of his choice to work with now.
303
Had the same thoughts
According to rumors McD was debating the choice between Kyle and Brady in the Cult-er deal. Now he has both.
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Mar 14, 2010 6:43 PM MDT up reply actions
From his years with ND and Weiss
Should he be familiar much with our offensive system. At least with terminology and concepts. If so, that sounds like a great deal and good fit to be a solid backup.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
I was just typing this as you posted.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
great minds? ... :)
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by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Now that I think about it
Denver must have really wanted to nab him. The Browns signed Delhome and Denver must have jumped on him. Very smart too cause don’t we start practices tomorrow? Denver must have been considering Quinn and then when they signed Delhomme they jumped on them trying to get Quinn in time for him to come to Denver in time for the team events to smart. Very smart move of them to get him for so low and very smart to get him in time for the team events
Will this get Orton in camp tomorrow then?
I read he was going to skip off-season workouts. I would say that is a bad idea with Quinn coming to Denver. I love the competition factor this brings.
by Broncoholic_07 on Mar 14, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton will keep his job
but this definitely gets his butt into camp. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions
no, no guarantee
but he has a substantial edge over Quinn, imo.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton will be there
But Quinn is in no way going to compete very much with Orton.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
has orton signed his tender yet?
if not, then he probs wont be at any OTAs
I know Quinn's been unaccurate, but I don't watch the Browns
Now that we have him, what’s the skinny? How are his intermediate passes? Does he go through his reads? Does he audible much at the line, read the defense well? How’s his deep ball?
I’m sure I could look at scouting reports from college, but that won’t help me understand today’s strengths/weaknesses…
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I try not to judge Quinn's play too much from Cleveland....
It was a train wreck there for much, if not all, of his career. Going back to his days as a golden domer underneath Charlie Weis, he’s got a great upside to him, and his knowledge of the spread offense is likely to be about equal to Orton’s current knowledge. Orton busted his bum this past year to learn the spread, and he’s coming along nicely. Quinn played the spread in college for a few years, so I consider their knowledge of the system about equal. I’m NOT a Brady Quinn apologist and I’m no Orton fan boy either. I think both of them have a lot of work to do if either of them expects to start in September.
The job is NOT Quinn’s to lose, but it’s definitely not set in stone that Orton will take snaps in 2010 either. This competition will do nothing but make things better for our quarterback situation.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
by Joe Medina on Mar 14, 2010 3:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
agree completely
This is why this is such a gratifying trade. I feel like Holmgren will get the best from Hillis, and McD can give Brady Q everything chance to turn himself into a bona fide pro.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Quinn being here before tommorow....
…means that Orton will get his butt into offseason work outs
by black_knight101 on Mar 14, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
yep...
that’s almost a certainty if he expects to keep his job.
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
Not a great fit
Despite playing for Weis, he is erratic and largely inaccurate, which is the main thing McD wants, a consistant accurate QB who won’t lose the game.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
maybe with some quality coaching that can improve?
Who and how has he been coached up since being in the NFL?
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Anderson
Has played fantastic when the line wasn’t swiss cheese or when you have Edwards dropping you passes.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
good point
CLE players that come here improve, out players traded there wither.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
As a Browns fan, I’ll just say that we had our contingent that thought BQ got a bad deal and never got the chance for the clean opportunity he needed to do his best work. OTOH, we had a group who thought BQ had several chances, had never managed to show anything significant in any of them, and was just taking up time and space we could use to develop our next prospect. Myself, I was somewhere in the middle.
I wish BQ the best with you guys - unless of course you’re going against us!
by RelapsingDawgCatcher on Mar 14, 2010 4:06 PM MDT up reply actions
we envy you for taking Hillis
He was very much a fan favorite! Not much production last year, but the year before that he showed us he was a monster on the gridiron when he’s utilized properly. 22=Chuck Norris.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Question
How did he rip it up last year, with his 343 yards, hurry
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:10 PM MDT up reply actions
please reread my comment
Not much production last year.
The year before that, when we lost 145 RBs during the season, Hillis proved his toughness. YouTube him.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh my mistake
Those 343 were the year you said he was a monster, last year he had 54, even better.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:13 PM MDT up reply actions
do a little more homework
Here’s a head start.
Hillis was not Marshall Faulk. But if he gets the right opportunity, he is going to make a team very very happy.
Are the Browns the right team? We’ll see.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Homework?
Check his work this season, really didn’t show anything. A few highlights don’t show much.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
McD did NOT use him
Period.
Shanahan did, and Holmgren can. If you really want to know more about Hillis, I’d encourage you to read some of the posts about from from about one year ago, when we were all completely convinced he was going to be our guy. Half of our fans, when we drafted Knowshon, were like, “BUT WE HAVE HILLIS!”
We saw something in 2008 that McD did not capitalize on in his system. Holmgren may do better.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Shanahan did?
Like for 68 carries, and hurray 343 yards, not a real commitment. A fan favorite is not always a coaches.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Hillis wasn't a starter...but Shanny used him in the right situations
at the right time…
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Like when we had no one else to fill the backfield?
I really liked watching him play, and hope he has found somewhere that suits him, but it wasn’t working out last year.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
He certainly proved himself capable
once he started playing. I think it was a huge error by McD to not use Hillis more often..
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Fumbles. Fumbles. Fumbles.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
but I don't recall him fumbling
so much under Shanahan…I wonder why?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
The Coach
Has ABSOLUTLY no effect on the player to hold onto the ball.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I wasn't suggesting anything of the sort
I was actually asking why it would be different
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Because under McD
He was pressing too much, trying to make something happen.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
this is a good point
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
What?
Also this comment chain is getting to long.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:40 PM MDT up reply actions
You see it a lot from players.
He makes one mistake and is eager to show the coach he is a worthwhile player, so he starts pressing, trying to make something happen every time he touches the ball. As his carries diminish, his sense of urgency to make something happen increases. He gets reckless, loses focus, and starts fumbling more.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
This is silly.
The man didn’t play well. He was traded for a player who can provide solid depth with very intriguing potential at the premium position in the game.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
How many fumbles.fumbles.fumbles?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
look, i get your point
I’m just giving you my opinion, guy. If you want to judge him, go for it. But there is a reason he was a fan favorite.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
I just didn’t see him really do anything so I didn’t really get attached. I hope he does well in Cleveland but I just wasn’t commited to him.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Did you see any of the games he played in 08?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
fair enough
What this boils down to for me is two players with a lot of upside changing teams. Upside does not equal production. Upside equals upside. If they’re better fits in their new environments, then good for them. I’d like to see both guys play up to their hype.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:16 PM MDT up reply actions
and my apologies
my brain jumped track early on — I thought you were speaking as a Browns fan for some reason. LOL Hence my enthusiasm for explaining the Hillis phenomenon. But it’s certainly notable that a large contingent of Broncos fans, such as yourself, are not all that enamored of 22 after 2009. He really shoulda held on to that damned football. First round picks can drop balls in critical situations and get the ball back on the next drive to gain their confidence back. Not so a guy like Hillis, unfortunately. He sealed his fate with McD, IMO. But I’m still pulling for the guy.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:18 PM MDT up reply actions
and trust me
I want the Browns to do well. I’m married to a massive Browns fan. And I’m excited for them and their fans to have Hillis as an option. If you’re skeptical, that’s cool. Having lived through the last several years with my wife watching them, I totally understand how Browns fans are tired of having their chains yanked by “potential”. But I don’t think we’re doing that here. Be bitter all you want — I probably would be to. But I still like this trade for you.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
how on earth did you marry a Browns fan ;)
I tried dating a Raiders fan once…bad idea…
good on you!!
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
We don't talk about 7 much. ; )
I actually went with her to see the Browns play the Jets a few years ago.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Glad Hillis went to the Browns
for the same reason, married to a big Browns fan. Will enjoy rooting for him still, he is a determined hard nosed runner when let loose!
Go back and look on how many carries his 343 yards came on.
Interestingly enough, the number of carries affects the number of yards!
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
And he would have had more...
Had he not been injured making an impossible catch.
by Velveeta on Mar 15, 2010 6:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Browns O line has been pathetic for the last several years
which is, imo, why they couldn’t keep a consistent guy behind center since they came back into the league. Quinn has a lot of potential in our system, since he played Weis. He’s not as far behind Orton as another backup might be, so the competition should be strong. Orton will still hold the edge substantially though. imo, anyway.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Had to draft a QB at some point, so this is basically that pick
We risk very little: A FB who has potential but not a real role on the team and a couple of late round picks. We get a former first round pick who has a lot of physical talents and I always thought he was pretty good dude.
Anyone remember this statline? This was when he came on for the Browns and nearly beat the Cutler led Broncs.
WEEK OPP RESULT CMP ATT YDS CMP% TD INT SACK RAT
10 DEN L 34-30 23 35 239 65.7 2 0 0.0 104.3
I thought he looked good, but Anderson came back and he never got a chance. I think Cleveland was bad for him and this could be one of those change of scenery deals.
He has really good size, some mobility and a good enough arm.
Gotta say, Josh McD at least keeps things fun around these parts!!
by charlesnelsonreilly on Mar 14, 2010 3:52 PM MDT reply actions
A muffled and barely audible sound from McGeorge from the penalty box.
“I like this trade”.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Mar 14, 2010 3:52 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
lol
Hey you, back in the box!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
you were in a penalty box?
high sticking? wha did I miss? :)
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by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions
lmao
I actually laughed outloud. Due to extrenuating circumstance, I vote you let yourself out!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
+1
Come out to play
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i think there were offsetting penalties
Shoulda just replayed the down. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:19 PM MDT up reply actions
lol, montana
McG, looking forward to your return. Thanks for policing yourself. You play the devil’s advocate so well against all us homers.
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I was wondering...
LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I just had to fill my Browns wife in on Hillis
“Fan favorite” I said. “Is he supposed to be good?” she asked. “Supposed to be,” I grinned.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
Haha
True, he is supposed to be great, but so were Quinn and Anderson.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions
NO joke
Courtney Brown, Tim Couch, Gerard Warren, Kellen Winslow, Brady Quinn. That was just off the top of my head. That must really, really suck.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Badda BOOM
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
now THAT is something I could handle...
except, I hate the amount of money Cassel is set to make the next couple years…
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
No
Even a worse idea, then we’d have to take Cassels huge contract and no skills.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 3:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton and Quinn vying for the starting job... bleh
If people are thinking Orton had a noodle arm wait til they see Quinn in action… He’s an upgrade over Simms but then again so is a ham sandwich
Lol
I remember in the second half of the Washington game when Sims was “playing” (I use that term loosly, I said to myself, “I could go for a ham sandwich right about now.” True story.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 14, 2010 5:23 PM MDT up reply actions
So chuk... from his combine
to today, you say he has lost the ability to throw every NFL pass with a strong arm but average accuracy?
Quinn could really work out for us
Very similar system to what he ran at Notre Dame under Charlie Weiss.
As for Hillis….. I wish him the best. This is probably a better situation for him, he’ll get more of a chance. He and Jerome Harrison should make up an amazing backfield.
I hate this trade.................I'm telling you ................Brandstater is for real.............
Why give up a 6th round pick for a mediocre QB….that at best has just ‘ok’ tallent. I’m beginning to wonder if Belickhcheat didn’t send McD to destroy our great franchise. I hate this trade.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
pours Mike some Koolaid
13-3 baby! ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
montana, there is nothing good coming from this trade...
Josh couldn’t figure out how to use Hillis because he is near-sighted. I fear for our team.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
so is it Hillis going that you don't like?
I think there’s much better players in front of hillis on the depth chart. I would even argue Buck over knowshon if buck could stay healthy.
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by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Exile
I just don’t know, maybe McD is right, I just can’t see the logic in a move of this nature. It just doesn’t make sense, It just doesn’t make sense when you consider the needs of this team. I don’t consider Quinn any better than what we have ib Orton. Why would we give away a 6th round pick and a great short-yardage-guy for something we already have. I just don’t get it…………………..
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
thanks for expanding Mike
It worries me when King of La La Land goes WTF? :)
Just my thoughts….Tommy B. isnt ready to play. Simms never was we found out. We need a backup QB more than a RB/FB especially with Orton’s ankles the last two years. It speaks volumes that Tommy B. isn’t battle ready and we need a solid backup plan. Our coach is into QB’s so I easily defer when the team says it needs a backup QB.
The 6th and conditional 7th 2011/2012 are picks we probably can’t use. We’ve filled the roster with a bunch of 2-3 year contracts last year and this year. For those we would draft in those later rounds, though we could possible find someone with potential, it’s not likely there would be an open roster space for them. Not after 6 other draft picks in 2011 and/or after 6 draft picks in 2012.
I’m sure there is going to be a lot of written and fan posts over the next few weeks though. In a different view, we traded a 6th, 7th, past 7th pick (hillis) for a past 1st round pick (quinn).
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 15, 2010 5:13 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought it was that Hillis couldn’t keep from comitting penalties and missing assignments long enough for McD to keep him on the field.
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
I think Josh couldn't figure out how to use Hillis...
Because he wasn’t that great of a blocker, and couldn’t run inside well.
When he didn’t have a 10-foot gap to run through. In his YouTube reel, he rarely makes contact until well past the line of scrimmage.
TB needs time before he's ready and before we'll know
Obviously headquarters feels that way
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Is this a serious comment...?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions
I was gonna say...
Seems a wee bit dramatic. But keep in mind, half the fan base gets the Peytons mixed up— as in somehow Hillis has gained Walteresque mystique.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 14, 2010 4:14 PM MDT up reply actions
Obviously it's too early to tell anything for sure
but this is a classic example of how to build a talented team from 1-53. Hillis was playing at a position in which we’re pretty well off and was easily the odd man out. He had a terrible year and was of no real use to us. We CLEARLY need a backup QB in case something happens to Orton and from a talent standpoint I think Quinn >>>> Brandstater, so this works well. I mean, roster excess and late round picks for a guy McDaniels can work with? I just don’t see much of a downside.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I've had this theory for a long time actually
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Maybe this trade is because Brandstater is for real.
If it takes two to three years to learn the McD offense while getting playing time, how long does it take to get there from just practices? Maybe he thinks Quinn is a servicable enough backup to keep Brandstater off the field for one more year untill he is NFL ready, and ready to run a complicated offense? McDaniels may be making sure that when Brandstater comes on the field he is 100% ready and won’t loose 4-5 years getting accustomed to NFL speed by playing unprepared, where he may be ready in 2-3 years if he’s coached up before being thrown in the fire?
"My job description is to win football games. I'm a hard worker. I'm not flashy by any means, but my job is to play football and win and I plan to do that." Kyle Orton
by odarol on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I hope you are right
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
I understand
but you need to keep in mind that at least now we have a player (Quinn) who is more familiar with the spread offense and its terminology. Today, Denver traded a guy who was lost in this system for a guy who is familiar with it. It probably means that Denver won’t be drafting a QB with Orton, Quinn, and Brandstater on the roster, so they can concentrate on the offensive line. (I’m ecstatic about that.)
Also, we at least now know that without Peyton Hillis, Spencer Larsen will remain our run-blocking fullback, and not our starting ILB on D. He’ll likely remain a backup ILB and a great ST player, but has earned himself a FB role on offense – mainly in creating holes for Moreno and Buckhalter. Hillis could never compete with him in this area.
You know what else this trade indicates to me? That our chances of drafting linebackers has just increased ten-fold! Let’s see, how do you spell Rolando McClain? Is that right? =)
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Welcome to Denver, Brady Quinn!
But a lot of us are going to miss the little bit we watched you play, Peyton Hillis…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
I guess after all my negative thoughts I should remember 'La la land'
and think better of the future…………………
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Little, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
by Mike Clark on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
haha
Adam_Schefter
Let’s be clear about this: Quinn wanted to be done with the Browns as much as they wanted to be done with him.
DUHHHH would YOU want to be with the Browns????
Browns
probably said the same thing, would you want Quinn to start?
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Brady grew up a *diehard* Browns fan
I have to believe he’s pretty bummed that it didn’t work out. But I’m sure he’s excited to be back in the same system he’s been in since ND.
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by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions
This is good for Hillis !
He gets a chance to prove himself to a new organization. He never got a good shot with McD
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by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 14, 2010 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
This is a good trade
It’s been pointed out that these two WBA are the ones we were linked to last year…
I’d like to point out that Orton has not resigned. What if we drafted a qb AND dealt Orton? I’m just throwing things out there.
by broncodude793 on Mar 14, 2010 4:01 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
yeah thats a good point, but I’m guessing Orton comes back
by black_knight101 on Mar 14, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
It could very well turn out to be a win/win
If Orton plays the season well, like last year, and BQ develops under McD on the silent stage… We could franchise Orton to turn around and get something out of him… Too early, but possible.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
BQ
Sickkkk steal. Welcome Quinn to the Broncos, McD is gonna take care of him and he’ll be another person from that he was in CLE. i don’t see him starting immediately but i see a lot of potential in him.
Browns
Have had some quite good QB coaches, just poor line play as well as bad QB’s tend to make the coaches look bad.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:04 PM MDT up reply actions
McD
Didin’t coach Orton at all really.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM MDT up reply actions
How much info do you think Quinn remembers from ND?
It’s been three years, and I don’t remember anything from high school.
I like the trade. Glad I'm not the only one here who does.
(Feared I was. LOL.)
Good value pick. Hillis, I wish him the absolute best. He never got a big chance in Denver and then didn’t do much in 2009 to really prove he deserved it, but he’s a solid guy and player who might do things in Cleveland, and Denver had no use for him. And I think Quinn can eally shine under McD’s and co’s tutelage. I like it.
Okay, now back to NCAA tournament show!
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If we needed more low-talent pretty boys...
…why didn’t we just sign Robert Pattinson in free agency?
Haha, all kidding aside, I think this is an ok trade. We didn’t give up any picks this year for him and a player that wasn’t going to be used anyway. Last year some folks were advocating trading Culter for Quinn, so I say this is a pretty savvy trade.
Quinn isn’t my favorite QB, but if you aren’t going to make a move for Bradford or Clausen, don’t like any of the lower round QBs, and aren’t willing to take a chance on Tebow, then this makes more sense than bringing in Delhomme, who is too old, or another QB that would cost you much more. At least Quinn is young and has worked in a similar system (Charlie Weis at Notre Dame).
Very Good Value
This was a very good trade. Quinn (as much as I like Simms as a person) will be a much more capable backup. I disagree with people who think he’ll challenge Orton right away. But, for what we had to give up to get Quinn – great trade.
Best of luck to Hillis. Loved his style of play.
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Well you never know...
Last year we got a bunch of running backs and then drafted a running back first….just saying
Good Luck Peyton
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by KaptainKirk on Mar 14, 2010 4:07 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Yes, Good luck Hillis!
I’ll always root for you. You gave Broncos Country your all and we appreciated every bit of it!
OMG, this is a steal?
The guy couldn’t win the job in Cleveland and we give up a guy with great upside and heart in Hillis plus two potential players. Granted 6th rounders may not be guarentees, but we got players like Terrel Davis in the 6th and Shannon Sharpe in the 7th, so there are good players later that we are sure to miss out on.
I have never liked Quinn, the guy is a worse version of Orton, has no accuracy past 10 yards and looks like crap when he gets any pressure. What really irks me is we could of had him for nothing, Cleveland was going to cut his ass unless they found some chump team willing to give up something for him, apparently we are that chump team. This guy is going to be Joey Harrington version 2.0.
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It’s like gambling, your probabiliity is low butwhen you don’t have a rol of the dice, you can’t win, regardless.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I agree
Not really an upgrade over Simms, and hasn’t proved himself at all. But one can hope.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:11 PM MDT up reply actions
But you bitch about everything the Broncos do...
…so its really no surprise that you wouldn’t like this.
"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars."-- Oscar Wilde
by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
This really made me laugh… out loud
Lady, you want me to answer you if this old airplane is safe to fly? Just how in the world do you think it got to be this old?
— Anon
Both optimists and pessimists contribute to the society. The optimist invents the aeroplane, the pessimist the parachute.
— George Bernard Shaw
by Choochoobonewagon on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
oh jesus...
John Clayton is the head Dean at Fail University (known as F.U. in short)
Formerly known as Calijoefornia
no, their strength is about the same
But Quinn’s accuacy past 10 yards is horrible.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
So he has a strong arm but
poor mid and long range accuracy?
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Average arm strength
Horrible mid to long range accuracy.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
less accurate with a worse oline and weaker wr's?
talent breeds talent. McD obviously thinks he can work with the kid
Just posted a poll....
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Pre draft report
http://www.warroomreport.com/draft/rankings/qb/quinn.htm
In one fell swoop we get a backup with considerable in a McDaniel’s type system, a QB who was nearly a unanimous top 10 pick in 08, and instant competition for Orton, all for next to nothing in picks. This was a no brainer in terms of taking a reasonable shot.
All I can say is each passing day raises my respect for the McX team.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
Top 10 Yes
He has never really played well, so saying he’s a top pick is a waste.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha nice!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Warroom:
Weaknesses:
Quinn has struggled in big games, especially if the other defense is able to pressure him. He will likely see similar pressure early in his NFL career, particularly if he is drafted by a team with an inadequate offensive line.
Sound like the Browns?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Like minds, eh elvis?
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Mar 14, 2010 4:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Gotta remember, we're all excited
But really all we need is a backup. More is good, but ultimately unnecessary considering cost and what we gave up.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Not with pressure
coming right up in the middle
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Now the question is, is this a vote of No Confidence on Orton or is Quinn brought in as a backup?
Orton to Arizona for a 2nd rounder?
Backup
Orton played well last year. But we needed a veteran with starting experience to back him up. Now we have one. And Quinn is young, talented and is getting a fresh start. I imagine he’ll eventually compete for the start but not this year.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Not to mention...
Quinn might have a chance to develop now, being mentored by a very QB friendly coach, and free of that toxic, dysfunctional Oakland-like atmosphere in Cleveland.
Oh yeah, and he’ll actually have someone blocking for him here.
Good move.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
Denver?
Denver is a very toxic place, benching Plummer after 7-4, calling for Simms to start over Orton, yea really friendly.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM MDT up reply actions
benching Plummer at 7-4 wasn’t McD, and many of the fans were against it.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:19 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm STILL against it!
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
this
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
And...
That was Woody Paige calling for Simms to play, not someone sane.
And we’re not the ones who sound unfriendly there, chief.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
I know
But the fans were the ones calling for it, and the fans make for a toxic atmosphere.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm a Broncos fan...
And i don’t remember calling for that.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you!
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Who are you a fan of?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Broncos mostly
But also Bengals and Bears
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:57 PM MDT up reply actions
What are teams that start with B, Alex.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Haha
maybe, but i’m a partial fan of Miami if that helps
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
just when I was beginning to not like you...
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Sorry if that question came out wrong...
Didn’t know if you had any Browns insight…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
The Broncos...
And my Mom. I really love my Mom. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
My mom. Not your mom. Not that your mom isn’t … …
… um, never mind. ^^
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:39 PM MDT up reply actions
We gots some Mother Lovers in here.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
well you got the Mother part right
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
All fans are toxic. Everyone likes to see results right away, but I don’t think the Denver fans are as toxic as Clevelands.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...
Soon as a guy has a crappy game people are ready to ride him out of town on a rail. Such is life.
We didn’t have to give up much to get this kid so, if he works out great. If not, I doubt he’ll play worse than Simms did.
At least…I hope not…LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
it’s not like the Browns are good at drafting talent anyways. I don’ think they’ll be drafting any HOF players with the picks.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly...
That’s the best part of this to me. I like Hillis but he wasn’t going to play, and we give up a 6 next year, and whatever the conditional pick will be – maybe a 5.
I’d like to think that Quinn is worth at least that much as a backup. And there’s always the possibility, however remote, that he might develop into a starter. And Hillis gets to go somewhere where he will get on the field.
Either way, it was a pretty low price to pay. A very low risk investment.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Hope so
Guess we just let it play out.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn't say as toxic
I wouldn’t think we’d see Denver fans cheering when the QB is injured. Not that they are without toxicity, when the booed Orton in preseason last year, then cheered him when he replaced Sims after his ankle injury. Fickle fans are everywhere.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:28 PM MDT up reply actions
True
I just wish that we’d be more patient.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
That's sports fans.
Just be glad you’re not Donovan McNabb. If he ever wins a Super Bowl his fans will still crucify him for not winning it enough.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
boy isn't that the truth
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
my dad used to say
wish in one hand, s&^t in the other and see which one fills up first. :) As the NFL fan base broadens it encourages casual “fans” to be heard. IMO.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Is THIS a serious comment...?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:23 PM MDT up reply actions
MHR IZ SRSBSNSS
NWHO DEW U FINKK U R CAWMINNN IN HURR N TAWKIN @ MI LYKE DIS!!!!111OEN
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
lol!!! brilliant...
almost as good as SILLEE BATBALL GAME
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
=p
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
seriously, that still makes me laugh
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
The gift that keeps on giving.
I take it personally that you can fit entire novels into your sig but can’t even find a spot for my best quotes. It hurts me bad. Real bad.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions
oh crap, now you've gone and made me rethink my sig line
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Don't tell The Andrews.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
this...or hizilla....
I think it annoys him more than anyone
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Yeeeah
I couldn’t remember who else was all butthurt about it.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:45 PM MDT up reply actions
I think they are more troubled now,
by the fact that I refer to a Nugget in the sig line…(not really)
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
CP3 knows whats up
that’s for sure. Melo is flat-out unguardable with one guy. Even if that guy is Ron Artest, he needs help.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
unless he blinds Melo with his shining new blond hair
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
GOLD hair.
Gah I saw that and giggled all night. Rodman inspires!
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't you remember
Denver beating Cleveland in the AFC Championship game. If I remember correctly, fans were trying to kill Dockery in the hospital room after losing that game for them. I don’t think Broncos fans have ever wanted to kill anyone.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:29 PM MDT up reply actions
well, until they hired McD :D
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Ha
and were introduced to Phillip Rivers.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
that too
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
And we have never booed Santa.
We’re really pretty nice people here. LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Are you aware that Shanahan is no longer a Bronco?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Price was right but
still not in love with the QB position. Learning curve for Quinn should be less since he played 2 years under Weis at ND. I would have rather drafted a QB, but that is me.
Wonder why they got rid of Jones
He signed with KC (I think) for only like $2M per year.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Opps meant for lower down on the LT comment lol
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I just can't forget
Last year, during McJay Gate, reading a comment from a Browns fan: “No way we let Quinn go to McDaniels in Denver where he’ll become the next Elway”. While Elway he’s NOT, here is to hoping he IS the next “Brady”. Great job McX, keep it up !
by Bronco79 on Mar 14, 2010 4:18 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
so they will end up dead and take everyone with them?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
This made me laugh.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:24 PM MDT up reply actions
thank you
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
it’ll be interesting when the Jets play the Chargers
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:22 PM MDT up reply actions
yuck
Don’t like it. Having Brady Quinn = QB controversy for no reason when KO is clearly the guy. I’d rather have the picks and gotten an extra one for Hillis, taken a flyer on a late round QB. Quinn is a proven commodity in that he has proven that he isn’t an NFL starting QB. Although from the perspective of upgrading our backup QB spot, I guess you gotta admit that Quinn > Simms and apparently costs less money, and if we’d have had Quinn in there rather than Simms against the ‘Skins, we’d all be talking about our (ok, likely unsuccessful) playoff run.
Hillis wasn't going to play because McD wouldn't play him
he did quite well under Shanahan
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Did you ...
…actually watch any games this year? He played – and played poorly. Sorry, like Hillis. But he didn’t do much to endear himself to McD.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Yeah
Hillis was not the same guy last year. But I wish him well in Cleveland. Sometimes a fresh start is just what the doctor ordered.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
yes I watched several games
but a nice way to start your rebuttal….
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Hmmm, OK ...
Not sure what you mean by that? I was being completely serious. Love Hillis. But when he was in you could tell he was trying to hard or something. I don’t think it’s fair to blame McD for that or to say he didn’t get his chances.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Hm
good average but never really carried very much or often. And two of those pick sixes came when he was just trying to come back from a huge deficiet, which happens a lot. And the pick may be his fault the the six afterwards wasn’t.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:32 PM MDT up reply actions
See?
Guy has a good year but someone still wants to cut his sack off for one crappy game. It’s a tough job, man.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that's kinda misleading
Hillis played ONLY after a string of injuries. On the depth chart just ahead of the Verizon clerk.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
agreed, but he still proved himself once he had the opportunity
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
He didn’t prove himself on special teams.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm not entirely sure he did though
And I preface this with I LOVED to watch him play… He was asked to run and catch out of the backfield in the WC offense. I don’t remember him standing in to block, instead running more bootlegs or TE left in to block. So if he wasn’t blocking well, that’s a hole in his game he would have to fix to get on the field in McD’s offense.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
and he was used a few times as a FB
where his blocking wasn’t quite inspiring enough to say he was a better option than Larsen. In my very untrained judgement, I think he either couldn’t carry out his blocking assignment or wasn’t good enough all around to make an impact last year. McD loved him preseason saying how versatile he was, but something certainly happened in his player evaluation for him not to be used during the year.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Mar 14, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
He was liked by McD, but his blocking was always in question to me.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
The only thing I remember Hillis doing last year was fumbling.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
under Shanny?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I find it weird
That people are blaming coaching for a players fumbling problems.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:37 PM MDT up reply actions
that's not what I said at all!!!!! gosh people
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
You said McD 'wouldn't play him' ...
…McD did play him and give him chances. We are pointing out that he figuratively – and literally – fumbled them away.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Never really played
Like the fans said he could.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
i think my favorite part of Hillis leaving
is that hopefully we dont have to talk about him anymore. way too hyped for some reason
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
I took issue with your comment that I was blaming McD for the fumbles
I have not. I also would like to know how many times he fumbled that would get him so far in the doghouse
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
I remember Knoshaun having a hard time holding onto the ball as well..
Lets be clear on that. Hillis isnt the only person that made a mistake. DO we pull the Qb every time he throws and INT? Or the lineman everytime he gets called for holding? Or how about the CB’s when they allow a pass.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
by johnnystarr on Mar 15, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
Brady Quinn Trade
The only downside to this trade is that we will have to listen to people bore the crap out of us with comments like: Quinn is the greatest QB in the history of the world, and Orton sucks. PLEASE! The Orton is our starting QB and this trade doesn’t change that. Quinn WILL be competing with Brandstater and, yes, Simms for the backup job.
LOL
Yes, get ready for the endless, mind numbing fan created QB controversy.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh no....
Last year was nothing. Did anyone but Woody Paige really think Simms was starting material?
This is going to be ten times worse. And you know what? I hope Quinn pushes the envelope. That’s why he’s here and Orton is the kind of guy who will welcome the competition. Bring it on, I say.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
the more uneducated people wanted Simms to start. I just wanted to see him in a game time situation. After I saw him I wished I didn’t
Heh heh
Don’t get me wrong, I like Simms. He’s a good guy. But for whatever reason he hasn’t bounced back. Maybe he will someplace else. I wish him well.
I just like giving Woody crap for his knee-jerk one man crusade to prematurely anoint Simms the starter last year.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
OMG Pleease
Can we cut Simms now. P L E A S E.
On this we all agree
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
best wishes, Chris
Appreciate the heart and the dedication.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Poor kid...
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Poor nothing.
He’s made a ton of money in his career by being mediocre at best. Only poor if he’s mismanaged his funds.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Very true...
I just think he’s a good guy and I like his attitude. It makes me wish he was better at what he does. It’s sort of like watching an ant trying to pull along something 30 times his size.
Come on, little guy. You can do it. Almost there…
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 6:00 PM MDT up reply actions
I think I can, I think I can, I think I can...
Choooo…. Choooo
My roots are in Denver, but my branches grew in Nebraska and my leaves fell in Lincoln.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Mar 14, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Ortons job to lose ...
…we needed a more capable backup. The price was right. The most pressing question is he going to fight Gaffney over the #10 jersey?
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
i had exactly the same thought
Know Mo Part Deux
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions
Great pick up!!!
Fullback Peyton Hillis, a 2011 6th-round draft selection and a conditional 2012 draft selection!!!
Brady Quinn was possibly rated higher than Jimmy Clausen when he was drafted 3 years ago and Clausen is touted as a top 10 pick this year! This is a steal
Once...
I spotted a 1976 Porsche 911 at a ridiculously low price. The owner said the clutch was broken and he didn’t want to bother with it. I looked the car over and it became clear to me that the clutch fluid had simply drained out as it sat there in his back yard.
So, I let him sell it to me for peanuts, towed it home and bled the clutch. BAM. One Porsche 911, ready to rock.
Did I fleece him? You bet I did. But we’re talking about a Porsche.
Accept no substitutes.
Did we get a Porsche in this trade? There are already plenty of Quinn haters out there, but only time will tell. Lots of players have struggled in one place only to flourish after a trade. Maybe Brady will be one of them. But at the end of the day I have to think that when you consider we got this kid for next to nothing, there really is no downside to this.
To each their own but I’m excited to see how this pans out.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This comment is awesome.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
so the question is
Is Quinn clutch? Or not? I’m confused. : )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions
At the very least
It forces Orton to sign his tender.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Or he gets disgruntled and looks for another home
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
He doesn't seem the type.
I mean, after getting yanked around for Rex freaking Grossman all that time, you’d think this trade wouldn’t even phase him.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
heh...what options...Orton or Grossman
wait…..Orton or Quinn……hmmm….maybe I shouldn’t make a joke
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
It doesn't matter who is the man in Chicago
At least, it didn’t while Ron Turner was around. That man is a horrific offensive coordinator. He should get as much blame as anyone individual player.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Orton coming here was really good for him.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton is safe as starter for this saeson
Quinn has to get up to scratch with the system before he can really push Orton for starting time during the season. IMO Orton has more to fear from Brandstater early on than Quinn. Once Quinn is familiar and comfortable in the system then Orton may have real competetion from Quinn.
Aaaaaand Brandstater
can take over the Peyton Hillis Irrational Fan Love Award for this year’s team. Excellent. This will be fun.
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by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Now THAT was funny.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Irrational Fan Love? I dunno about that one
Hillis proved himself to me at the end of 08 when he needed too. I think that bred a bit of loyalty among the fans.
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
What?
Since when has a few good games made you a great player? David Carr and Rex Grossman had great games.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Is that what I said?
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Hillis played consistently well in
the last several games of 08. It wasn’t one game here or there.
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
And Grossman
Played well the end of his Super Bowl run season.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 4:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Rex Grossman? Who the hell is Rex Grossman?
;)
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Definitely ...
… but not irrational loyalty. Again, Hillis was great in ‘08. But something happened last year. It’s easy to say it was because of McD. But I disagree. Hillis wasn’t the same player.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Don't get me wrong
The Hillis fan love is something I can understand A LOT more than Brandstater. At least he produced in REAL games that mattered but I think he did so with such a flair that we all remember him producing more than he actually did.
It’s a common thing for fans to remember certain high points from players and assuming that because they were at that level once, they can return to that level again. When given the chance to run in short yardage situations in this past season, the capacity in which Hillis is best used imo, Hillis failed to produce anything of significant value. The Hillis we saw in ‘08 ran tough, leaving footprints on the chest of any and all defenders who tried to stop the pain train he was the happy conductor of. In ’09, his running was about as timid as a kitten in a room full of rocking chairs. He simply wasn’t the same. I have no idea what effect the HC played in his mindset or whatever, I just know that he’s gone now and I think we got excellent value for him.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
I kind of assumed you were making a little joke...
Regarding the cultish portion of the Broncos fan base that fell in love with Hillis in 2008 and wanted to see him as the team’s starting tailback even when he played poorly last year.
You probably didn’t expect people to go at each others throats over it. LOL
I liked Hillis a lot, and was just as excited by his play in 2008 as anyone. But he clearly wasn’t the same guy last year for whatever reason and with a few exceptions he played poorly each time he was on the field.
Maybe the change of scenery will do him good. He seems like a great kid and he has a lot of talent. I sure wish him well and I think that if you’re part of the Hillis for President crowd, you’d want to see the guy land somewhere where he has a chance to make an impact.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Way to go Mastermind
Nice way to hopefully end the Hillis debate.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 14, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
never
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Iannetta >> Torrealba.
<3
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
lol....NOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Hahaha.
Oh, you.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
Hey its a free country! Don’t put that on me!
I am sure there are Chargers fans who wanted LT to stay in San Diego, for example. But clearly the team felt it was time to move on and if you’re a fan of the guy you want to see him succeed. Now, LT has a shot to play a role with a team that gives him a chance at his ring.
Likewise, if you like Peyton Hillis this gives him a shot to get on the field and I’m glad to see him get it personally.
And for the record, I feel like I don’t have to hate LT anymore now that he’s not wearing powder blue and torching our defense. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I was making a joke
but this is MHR, where people get irrationally upset in nanoseconds over silly things. That said, I don’t think SD is starting any static with me, or anyone for that matter, she’s just remembering fondly the days of yesteryear when Hillis was plowing over anything that moved. It’s like my irrational belief that Manny Corpas is going to revert to ’07 form simply because I enjoyed watching him pitch so much.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:03 PM MDT up reply actions
this is pretty much dead on
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
and my not so irrational love of Brad Hawpe
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Do love Hawpe.
He’s been my favorite Rockie from that whole Gen-R thing. I just like watching the man hit a baseball. His swing confuses me because I haven’t figured out where gets the power from but I don’t care that much because it’s just a pretty swing.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
this...and I love to watch him throw that laser beam
man, just a thing of beauty and power
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
The problem with him throwing
is that god knows what has already happened tot he ball before he got to it.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions
meh...He still can cut them down even if he tripped over his own shoelace
rolled over twice, and had to throw it with his back turned over his shoulder
this is how dead on his laser beam is…
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
He's a real riot to watch
Because he can so badly misplay a baseball and then nail the guy trying to take the extra base because of it. Then you see him swing at some nasty junk lobbed up there by whoever is the Nationals’ 5th starter that day and then he goes out and makes Lincecum look like a Little Leaguer.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
exactly.
I just LURVE him…seriously irrationally lurve him….
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
regarding his swing..
MLBN interviewed him last year and Harold Reynolds asked him what was up with his funky swing. He said he wished he could just pick a deal and stick with it. This made me laugh
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
LOL
Oh, I get it. And I am rarely completely serious. I don’t think anyone was really fighting either, I just think it’s funny when a relatively innocuous statement ends up starting an unintended fire.
No harm done. If Peyton Hillis ran for president I would totally vote for him. ;)
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Imagine the effect
that a few well thrown blocks would have on Congress. A few crackbacks and a body slam or two and they’d probably be convinced to pass something useful for a change (this goes for both parties – I’m an equal opportunity critic). Hillis is from good stock. I’d trust him
lol
It all starts with the lines
Not saying Brandstater IS going to push Orton for the starting position
IMO on day 1 of training camp, Brandstater is ahead of Quinn, purely on familiarity with the system. Will Quinn overtake him at some point this season? Maybe, maybe not.
I wasn't aiming my comment SOLELY at you
Just that maybe 1/3 of this thread has been “BUT WE HAVE BRANDSTATER”, a guy who played well in less than one full game against backups in a pre-season game. Quinn may have struggled but at the least guy showed something in ACTUAL games. I think he should be #2 over Brandstater because he’s more talented. When Steve Beuerlein showed up all those years ago to be our backup QB, I doubt anyone was saying “HE SHOULD BE #3 BECAUSE WE HAVE JARIOUS JACKSON!!!111OEN”. It’s just silly to me. Thus me crackin wise, yo.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:12 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
Seriously, I get it. I agree with you 100 percent.
And hey you know what? This trade sure got this place hopping didn’t it? if nothing else, there’s a lot of excitement in Broncos Land today, regardless of what side of this you’re on.
Very good times!
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:15 PM MDT up reply actions
If they are both familiar and comfortable in the system, Quinn is definitely better than Brandstater
I just think that at the start of training camp, TB will be ahead simply because he knows the system. During the season, I would expect Quinn to move ahead of him as he picks up the system.
If I had to guess right now, I would say going into the 2011-2012 season, Quinn will be ahead of Brandstater.
I don't see Orton pulling a Cutler.
On or off the field.
Make of that statement what you want. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 4:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Hillis?
I never understood why everyone was making a big deal about Hillis. He played after about 5 guys were injured, he played, had decent numbers and all of a sudden he’s the second coming of John Riggins? If you look at our depth chart right now, is Hillis better than the top 2? Pretty much, Hillis wasn’t gonna play anyway. Getting the potential of Quinn for the potential of Hillis, a 6th rounder, and a conditional pick 2 years from now seems like a good risk. Guys love Hillis for obvious reasons, and for not so obvious reasons, but I just don’t see Hillis as this great back that we’re missing out on.
Looking forward to the second year in McDaniels system!
This trade is a win/win for everyone involved.
Quinn is right handed. Clady protects his back side. Whether or not Harris is back by the starting gun is not as big as it was for Simms as #2 QB.
He’s now been given a chance to learn under some very good tutelage. He’s going to be a pretty good backup who may push Orton a little. That is always good.
Very happy for Hillis. The Cleveland game in ‘08 was his breakout game. Playing for Cleveland could be the breakout for his career. He’ll get some real good opportunities there. Didn’t he have a concussion or some injury in ’09 to slow him down? that should be gone now.
THE FIRST THING McD need to teel him
you are being paid to be an NFL QB not a body builder. He has to have the biggest arms of a QB. That has to be affecting hes throwing motion. I like the trade as long as he listens
live and die blue and orange
Hmmm...
You think maybe Brady overdoes it with the EAS a little then, eh? LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Brady makes big DOUGH for EAS
that isn’t likely to change
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Gee, you think?
I’m just agreeing that the kid has some seriously massive guns. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:13 PM MDT up reply actions
WHAT A GREAT DEAL FOR DENVER
Mike Holmgren is betting his fat A$$ and his reputation on Jake Delhomme and he did not want a Quinn controversy in his hands when loser Jake starts having the awful games he had last year with Carolina. We got a former 1st round pick with all the tools and tremendous upside for practically nothing other than a 6th rounder and a 7th round RB/FB that was not going to play. Tremendous Job to improve our team.
Come to think of it...
The Broncos still have plenty of issues to address but at least we don’t have as many question marks as they still do in Cleveland. I imagine a lot of Browns fans must have mixed feelings about the last couple of weeks.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Like the trade
The Broncos got Quinn for almost nothing and can let Chris Simms go bye-bye.
I’d like to see how Quinn performs with better players around him. Cleveland…the place where players and their careers go to die off.
I still do not understand the hype over Peyton Hillis. The guy isn’t a good run or pass blocker and he really doesn’t fit into the scheme that is being run in Denver.
He really seemed to have pissed the coaches off somehow…perhaps not being able to grasp the new playbook and the blocking scheme? Who knows but that is a moot point as he is now a Cleveland Brown.
Like the new direction of the team. Go Broncos.
I agree 100%
You got to like the fact that Brady Quinn will come in with a huge chip on his shoulder to learn and prove the Cleveland Browns are the joke of the NFL. Let’s see: What QB duo would you rather have? Orton and Quinn or Delhomme and Wallace. I love the kid. He has a lot of years left in the tank. He has all the tools, a beautiful deep throw, a great professional attitude a very strong body and Orton needs a serious competition challenge. It is a win win for us. Last year when we were trading Jay “Interception” Cutler those were the 2 guys we were going after and we got them both. Great job X and McGenius.
Well...
What QB duo would you rather have? Orton and Quinn or Delhomme and Wallace.
Give me a minute….um….how long do I have?
;)
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
How long do you REALLY need?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't rush me, I'm still thinking...
LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I've got a quarter if you want to just flip for it ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:35 PM MDT up reply actions
11-20
That is the TD – INT total for Delhomme and Wallace for 2009. Good luck Browns. Holmgren is the most over rated GM / Coach in the NFL. At least Wallace was 3-2 :)
It's sucked to be a Browns fan
since the merger. When your arch rival has 6 SBs… and you have none… ouch.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Just right now?
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh and I think we have a correction to make...
Cleveland…the place where players and their careers go to die off.
I think you are referring to someplace a little further West, my friend.
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Cleveland…the place where players and their careers go to die off without getting paid $50 miliion by a brain defected senile ole madman.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
LOL
If JaMarcus the Hutt wasn’t still on the roster Davis might have offered the Browns three first round picks for Quinn, paid him a forty million dollar signing bonus and then cut him the first week of training camp.
That’s my boy, Al Davis. Keepin it real. LOL
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by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
He's either passing gas
or this is the exact moment where he became possessed by satan’s dimwitted half brother.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 14, 2010 5:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Both. Please be both.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions
On a more serious note
I made the mistake of not auctioning off my Peyton Hillis button for winning some draft contest last year before we traded him.
For all you sentimental people, anyone want it? I can write “08 ruled” or something awesome on it for you if you want.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:24 PM MDT reply actions
nice....
or maybe you could write “Hillis was robbed” :P
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
For even more fun
I could write “Roy-eb”. Misplaced hockey jokes make me laugh.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
I wonder how many people would get that joke
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Americans...football fans...
Those two things combined would equal not many.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
and likely lower the value of the pin
probably better stick with something like
“Hillis was a truck”
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
So...interested?
;D
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure...
I’ll trade you a Brandon Marshall jersey.
I mean, he’s not going anywhere, right? LOL
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Done and done.
Marshall is Bronco 4 Lyfe, ya dig?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:32 PM MDT up reply actions
this
Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
Heh heh...
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
by TheMastermind on Mar 14, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
There is no life after the Broncos.
Duh.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
tempted to take you up on that
I just got 24 and look, he collected a roster bonus! : ))) When does that happen??
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by broncosmontana on Mar 14, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions
sorry, friend...not me...
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Troy Tulowitzki - Best SS in the MLB - 2010 MVP
"With a guy like Melo, it’s tough to stop him with one person. You can’t. I don’t know one guy who can stop Melo on a consistent basis."-CP3
Brad Hawpe - Will prove the doubters wrong
PS Let's win the NL West in 2010, shall we?
On an unrelated note
Browns Trade their 2006 and 2007 1st round draft picks on the same day and get a 3rd, a 6th, a RB, and a future low draft pick.
Compare with Cutler and Moss.
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Vic's ND
Vic Lombardi just dialed up the story on the 5PM news… his ND Irish eyes were smiling through gray stormy day.
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Well, there goes my whole afternoon...
Okay…time to get back to what I was doing before all this…what was I doing…oh yeah I was ironing.
I wondered where all that smoke was coming from. LOL
Ok…Seacrest out. Later all.
Don't argue with fools. It's how they reproduce.
What's not to like?
How about when fans start calling for Brady Quinn at the first sign of a struggle or after the first interception that Orton throws? Sure there is no risk in losing a 6th round pick and a FB that never plays and now that he is a Bronco I hope Brady Quinn progresses very well but I am not a fan of this move mainly because I don’t like Quinn and I don’t like how I forsee the fans reacting like they did with Chris Simms all season until they saw him play. But anyway, Good luck Brady and welcome to Denver.
I love it!
He played for charlie weiss at norte dame. This is the same systems josh ran in new england and does now. He was first rounder so you know he has skills. Josh can coach him up. Plus he played in this system in college
It's not the second coming, but..
Brady Quinn got caught in the vortex of one of the worst franchises in the past decade. I think a large portion of his not having success in Cleveland lands squarely on the fact that this franchise hasn’t had any real stability since Kosar/Shottenheimer.
Excellent value on the trade so I am not displeased. As long as this ensures that Chris effin’ Simms doesn’t appear in a Broncos uniform again and do his best impersonation of Timmy I’ll be happy.
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Hey Brady, Welcome to an NFL team!!!
I think this is a good move for everybody. Hillis didn’t have a place in our offense and Brady was misused in Cleveland.
I am gonna miss the “Hillis doesn’t sleep, he waits” statements, but I do believe that this guy is going to be much better suited in Cleveland. He can be a Jamal Lewis style bruiser that Cleveland seems to love.
On the other hand, Brady Quinn is exactly what the Broncos need. First of all, we can finally kick Simms to the curb (all the best to you Chris, but I just hope your next football team is far far away from Denver). Also, Quinn will now be in a system that he has experience with from his days in Notre Dame.
We have a quality backup, who is much better than Simms, who I would feel somewhat comfortable with if he had to take the field. With the RFAs likely to hold out (sticking it to the man), this means that if Orton doesn’t come to OTAs, then we’ll still have a guy who will be ready to go in the offseason.
I think this makes a lot of sense. Instead of drafting a QB in a few months, we’ll get a former first round pick who played on a team that was……. starved for talent. I think that Brady is better than he showed in Cleveland and his rebirth in Denver could turn out in a positive way for both Quinn and the Broncos.
Xanders should go to jail because of this highway robbery. I just hope he gets out in time for the draft.
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Happy for Hillis
I hope he tears it up.
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by YellowStoneBronco on Mar 15, 2010 9:56 AM MDT reply actions
Good for Peyton
I’m glad to see Hillis get a fresh start. For some reason he was in the dog house and now he’s in the Dawg House. He’ll be a great runner for them and hope he has great success when he isn’t playing us. I’m not sure about Quinn. He’ll be a better backup than Simms and he’ll have a year to learn the offense while Orton starts. We’ll have to see after that.
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