Brady Quinn vs Kyle Orton
by valas40 on Mar 14, 2010 4:21 PM MDT
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PrintOk so i think by now we all know that Brady Quinn is now a Denver Bronco.
I have a couple thouhts on the guy and what he means to our beloved Broncos.
Brady Quinn Pro:
He knows the system, Mangini/Weis. The guy is used to competing for a starting job. He is mobile. He's accurate. And he's smart.He's sat on the bench for a long time studying the playbook. Never had great receivers or a line to work with so thats an upside.
Brady Quinn Con:
He has never had a winning season. He may not have the strongest arm but neither does Orton.
Kyle Orton Good:
He's under the same system for his 2nd year he's a team player, great leadership. Good game manager. Tall. winning record as a pro.
Kyle Orton Bad:
8-8 as a Bronco game manager ( yes i know i said it above)
All in all i honestly believe other than Cassel Brady was the only other guy to give Orton a run for his money as a starter.
8-8 season (good and bad)
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Brady Quinn is not really short - he's 6'3"...
only an inch less than Orton at 6’4".
"A man can fail, but he is not a failure until he blames someone else." J. Paul Getty
And Brady is about 245 lbs. of all muscle.
Scientific research has proven that you lose exactly 5.37 billion brain cells every time you listen to Todd McShay.
by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 4:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Brady Quinn isn't accurate
From my understanding – basically just quoting what I’ve been reading on scout sites since I don’t watch the Browns much – his biggest weakness is sort of getting flustered by defenses pressuring him. His scouting reports indicate that he needed to go to a team with a good offensive line to protect him – even more so than other QB’s. We should be able to offer that, depending on how we fill the two positions in the middle.
He also has a HC that knows a thing or two about QB development, a quality he so badly lacked in Cleveland.
We might see a better BQ, because the Browns’ offensive line sucked, and they can’t develop QB’s any better than Chicago. But he’s still not often referred to as accurate. Smart, yes. Even safe sometimes. But he’s not really accurate.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Mar 14, 2010 4:53 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
He’s accurate if he has a supporting cast. If you don’t protect him or give him anyone to throw to though, he panicks.
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by TheRealSlimShady on Mar 14, 2010 5:01 PM MDT up reply actions
No, he is not
His accuracy past 10 yards is piss poor, and that goes back to his days at Notre Dame.
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That's great
because we rarely throw it farther than 10 yards
by Broncolorado on Mar 14, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Nope
Anderson was more accurate with fewer tools some seasons, Quinn has yet to have an accurate season, let alone one with a good TD/int ratio.
by Topher Doll on Mar 15, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Can We PLEASE
drop the Orton Average Arm Strength bit? No offense, but this is a platitude that has been spouted off and disproved a number of times in game situations.
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On arm strength alone your right
But his deep ball is atrocious, it actually just pisses me off. But he does have good zip on short to medium throws
Probably every QB in the NFL can zip it in the short to medium range.....
people get upset when some say Orton has a weak arm and point to his zip on short throws…however, his comparison is to other NFL QB’s, this is where people say he has a not so strong arm. I don’t know if it is true or not, but people seem to forget who the reference group needs to be when making a comparison.
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^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
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Yep
And he had some great throws, Quinn has no accuracy at all, even on short passes.
by Topher Doll on Mar 15, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Quinn sucks. Period
This whole thing sucks. Totally gross.
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I love this deal
This is wha I wanted, a guy who can be a backup and possibly push Orton for the job. Right now I want Quinn to win it, I just wanna see what he can do with a stable orginization and a QB guru and a system that fits his style.
"Too Many Ties to McD"
What other ties does he have other than spending half his ND career under Charlie Weis – New England’s offensive coordinator before McDaniels. Yes, the systems are the same – but let’s not make it sound like Quinn and McDaniels are the same as Cassel and McDaniels. I voted for Orton. I think this move actually supports Orton as the QB of the future- Quinn is a solid prospect and an upgrade over Simms, but he’s also a much smaller investment than somebody as pedestrian as Tony Pike. No disrespect intended.
I support the acquisition as a Simms -upgrade – but I thought voting for Orton was a no brainer.
by Vortex7 on Mar 14, 2010 6:22 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
agreed
If Quinn can win the job from orton, then that’s one thing, but make no mistakes about it, folks:
IT IS STILL ORTON’S JOB TO LOSE!
by bailey disciple on Mar 14, 2010 9:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure, its Ortons job to lose
But at the very least I think it sent a message to Orton that there will be no long term contract at this point and you might as well sign your tender and get into the OTA’s.
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Love the trade
Quinn, now has the opportunity to use his skills and learn the proper techniques to be a starting QB in the NFL under McD love the trade low risk and we still have our picks for the up coming draft without the pressure of drafting a QB in the 3rd or 4th round. Quinn has 3 things Orton lacks; mobile, fast release, and physically strong. Yes, I think Quinn will give Orton a major test this coming season and make Orton that much better.
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Maybe now we can
turn the focus to the O line.
by Broncolorado on Mar 14, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions
We gave up nothing to get him
How can anyone have an issue with that?
by swg777 on Mar 14, 2010 6:31 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
EXACTLY
This is the only comment that needs to be made on the trade. Thank you, swg777
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 14, 2010 8:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I think that is mostly correct, but.....
if we would have drafted a QB early that now we won’t then we are committed for a couple of years to having Quinn work if Orton doesn’t. I don’t really have a strong opinion one way or the other on this trade, but if McD now is passing on drafting a QB for the next couple of years and Orton/Quinn don’t work out then I will be disappointed….but I have no idea right now.
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My god...
Quinn’s never had much of a chance, a coach, WR’s, Oline, scheme, mentor…He’s had nothing, yet he set 36 records @ ND for passing, completions, TD’s. He was a 1st round selection that fell to 22, only because they had a change of heart, anda the QB market was high that year….
This kid is big, he DOES have a strong arm, and his completion % is low because there is NO such thing as a WR in Cleveland. Even when he had Stalworth, Edwards, they are not route runners. They just like to run post patterns and pray for the “Hail Mary” to come there way. Edwards has set a YOU TUBE classic video record with his phantom misses, drops, and the look of complete fear when venturing across the middle…“priceless”! He’s a coward, so he breaks off his route….and guess what? He’s not where the ball is thrown. It that Quinn, or his WR’s….I think we all know the answer, dont we?
Welcome aboard Brady….we hope you turn out to be the 1st rounder you were supposed to be, and our future @ QB. The year (09)Cutler beat Quinn and the Browns, but Brady Quinn had a coming out party and was throwing darts all over us. Yes, Cutler did bring us back, but that was a coming out party for Quinn, and Al Michaels/Madden couldnt say enough good things about his talent. Im hoping Brady was just down on Cleveland, and was the victim of being on a dyfunctionally bad team with no support from staff, and no WR help, and no QB mentoring?
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Orton didn't either
Yet he was more successful in Chicago then Quinn was in Cleveland.
by Topher Doll on Mar 15, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I am going to get sick of all the Kyle vs Brady posts that are going to start dominating this site
Seriously. Why are people already contemplating starting starting Quinn over Orton? Orton did well last year and although he struggled at times (not all his fault) people are already saying Quinn should be the starter based on what?…. the fact that he was drafted in the 1st round? He is not that good. Yes maybe it was a good deal but please people. He is not that good. If he proves me wrong, great. I just remember that people wanted Plummer benched in favor of the flavor of the month. I hope Kyle really shuts some people up this year so all this talk can stop.
Sad thing is, you had to see this coming
We’re officially back at the ‘Play Simms’ point in the relationship between the Broncos and Orton. It was a silly idea at the time, and it’s a silly idea now with BQ. Quinn doesn’t know the system (Cleveland’s system is not the same as Denver’s), Orton has a year in now and is the starter until someone beats him out on the field.
It all starts with the lines
Exactly the reason why Brady Quinn WON'T start in Denver in September unless something tragic happens to Kyle.
Quinn is young (25) and who knows what can happen 3 or 4 years down the road…
I'm glad both of you see the sense in that but that doesn't stop everyone else from clamoring
for Quinn to replace Orton just because they think he is better because someone wasted a first round pick on him and only like a 3rd for Kyle. I’m sure a comparison of Quinn and Orton in their first couple years would be interesting to see. Orton didn’t’ have an O-line or receivers in Chicago either. In fact I would dare say Brady had more offensive talent in Cleveland than Orton did. Brady had a Pro Bowl LT in Cleveland in Joe Thomas. He also had Kellen Winslow and Braylon (although aside from his 16 TD year which came from Derek Anderson hasn’t lived up to his talent). Did Orton have a Pro Bowl O-lineman or WR in Chicago? I don’t believe so but I may be wrong.
by BroncoMath101 on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
What's Not to Like?
Aside from the low risk and all that’s been said there is another double draft bonus. We can use our 2nd on other than a QB. And we won’t be picking Clausen. I love this deal!
Thats what I find exciting...
with this trade, we take out the tebow hyperbole out of this. no QB needed now. focus on the best available players.
by Orange and Blue on Mar 14, 2010 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Never needed to do this anyway.
We can use our 2nd on other than a QB.
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I like the trade
Kyle Orton is a way better QB right now. Quinn has some upside but we’ll see how much. Orton is a great leader and skilled. If Orton stays healthy next year he will put up 4000 yds 25+ tds etc. Orton is our QB but this does give us another option in the future. McDaniels and Co. are on their game this offseason. Now lets sign BM.
Good summation
The only thing I would add is that his numbers will likely be dependent upon BM coming back.
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I fully expect Orton to start this year
He’s more polished than Quinn at the moment. But regardless of who starts, they should both play better than we’ve seen either of them in the NFL. They’ll be forcing each other to step their game up. We’ve also got a better supporting cast than Quinn had in Cleveland, and as Broncofan13 mentioned above, he’ll have a huge chip on his shoulder. In 2011 I think we’ll see Quinn starting unless Orton has a phenomenal year (or there’s a lockout).
Voted Orton
I like the deal to get Quinn who can be a good backup and can push Orton.
I am a little worried that the boo birds might come out against Orton and that could be bag for the team.
Quinn will be much better in a real offense with a good supporting staff.
Well.....
If Quinn does nothing but to make Orton better and is our #2…. It think this is a steal! If Quinn outplays Orton (Im thinking Weis got in McD’s ear) and he starts for us, then it becomes one of the biggest lopsided deals in history. A 1st round QB for a 7th FB….
What if Weis/Pioli and McD got together AND all of this is about re-unifying Cassel w/McD and Weis w/Quinn? Hmmmm…it’s an angle isnt it? Reports were that the chiefs were bringing him in to compete w/Cassel. Now you have a potential trade that puts orginal coach and player back together…? Nobody knows Quinn better than Weis, and nobody knows Cassel better than McD. Im just sayin….watch out?
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whoa
that’s some serious conspiracy theory, hogblog.
by bailey disciple on Mar 14, 2010 9:06 PM MDT up reply actions
The Chiefs would have made the trade and had both.
Why involve a third party especially a division rival when you could get him for practically nothing on your own?
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Mar 14, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Weird fact
Tom Bradstater is six days older than Brady Quinn. Both men were born in October of 1984.
In my opinion.
That's what I've been saying all day.
We may have 3 stud QB’s on the team come opening day. I love me some McDaniels boy genius…
I hope
the Brady and Kyle duo sleep on Tom, and sneeks into the starting role, like i said in my poll, wishfull thinking!
There is only one thing I'm certain of when it comes to McDaniels...
He has competition for his players in the off-season. If they want the job, they’ll have to earn it. I think Orton will earn it again!
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JUST FOR THE RECORD
I just wanted to put up some comparisons on the two potential starters. Thank you all for reading!!!
I like the trade because we got a capable backup
All this talk of how Quinn will push Orton is crazy . Do you really think that after the dedication and determination has shown this year that Quinn can push him ? If anything Orton pushes Quinn and teaches him a thing or two about preparation .
Orton is the most disrespected player in the NFL and after everything people have witnessed from the booing to the finger to the trade melodrama they think he needs someone with 14 starts to “push him” .
Orton gets no respect lol
isn't it absurd?
I hope orton progresses even more this year again like those stats guys are saying he would trend out, and puts all this BS to rest.
I would love to see orton finally ascend into the top 10 NFL QB’s and shut up all the NFLN “experts”. i bet McD might like to see that too…
by bailey disciple on Mar 14, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I agree
I like Quinn too as a back up. I think Orton has a lot of potential still. I hope Kyle doesn’t have to go through what he went through last year again with “fans” booing him and such. It makes me nervous that a lot of posts are leaning towards Quinn all ready. I’m with you I hope Kyle can put all of the BS to rest.
if we stand pat
we have a much better qb trio than last year, no matter the order. hillis’ potential will be missed(i’ll never get that), but the 6th-rounder isn’t too much, even though that leaves us with 5? picks. we do need a big back, too, in my opinion. question is, does ANYONE know the specifics of the conditional pick? i heard “late conditional”.
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Ok.
Right now, we know what to expect from Orton in a disciplined, organized, precise system. What we don’t know is how well Quinn will adapt. I think having a younger QB that was a 1st rounder, and played under Weis is a BIG PLUS! Kyle is the starter, he’s put in the time, he understands the offensive philosophy…sure! But this kid Quinn has a lot to prove, and he has a desire to become an NFL starter. His upside is much higher than Simms, and he was a better QB in College than Orton. Since then, he’s transitioned from scheme to scheme to scheme. I still believe he’s hungry with a lot to prove. I think he’ll come in like “A Rebel With A Cause”. Will he start, who knows? Will the competition make he and Orton better…HELLZ YEAH! That’s good for eveyrone! But…don’t count this kid out!
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too late, already counted him out. :) (as a starter in the NFL at least....for now)
P.S. every backup QB has the desire to become an NFL starter and every backup has a lot to prove, and most are hungry. They just don’t possess the talent. Not sure if Quinn possesses NFL caliber talent yet. We’ll just have to wait and see and hope he proves my doubts about him wrong.
by BroncoMath101 on Mar 14, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Ugh...that's a 6th rounder NEXT year Davecheffy! Not this year!
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whoops
NO picks this year? excellent. 2011 and 2012(if we all make it), cool beans. those should be late picks, if all goes well. just wondering are we talking 6th-round in 2012, or 2nd-round? there has to be a range depending on games started,…
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign doom now
can i just say
that having a QB with the name of Brady is really throwing me off. If i’m not prepared for the comment/article and somebody says “Brady”, I immediately think of Tom Brady, associate him with McD, and get really confused.
Anyone else have this same problem
by black_knight101 on Mar 14, 2010 11:01 PM MDT reply actions
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