Just Another Draft Theory
by Nick Cast on Mar 15, 2010 2:36 PM MDT
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What do we know about McD? He mishandled the Cutler situation, he loves to win, he has no problem yelling at offensive lineman for getting false start penalties in the red zone, and he loves to be unpredictable. This fan believes that McD has a pattern that makes it relatively easy to follow him. When it comes to personnel, he is not really unpredictable. In the off seasons he adds talent to the positions of need. Last year, he picked up a plethora of skilled veterans at numerous positions on the defense that needed depth. This season, he shored up the defensive lines that desperately needed to be shored up. He also gave some depth at the QB position with the recent Brady Quinn trade. However, can anyone say they did not see that coming? Numerous people here posted mocks where we traded for Quinn. So it doesn't seem like McD is all that unpredictable except for in 1 way: The Draft.
Last year, we picked up a ton of running backs and other defensive personnel. We were switching to the 3-4 defense. We were noticeably weak in the trenches. Everybody thought that we were going to address the defensive lines with our first 2 picks. The first pick everybody expects us to pick Orakpo (including myself) who was still on the board and we ended up drafting a Running Back in Knowshon Moreno. Everybody was shocked. I cannot imagine that one person was expecting Goodell to say Moreno's name. Then we trade up in the 2nd round and a lot of people suspect we are going to grab Rey Maualuga. Instead we draft an undersized corner back in Alphonso Smith. Even more shocking is that we gave up a 1st rounder in the 2010 draft for a 2nd round pick in the 2009 draft. Another shocker, we trade up into the last pick of the 2nd round. On the "best players available" list, a number of players were defensive tackles. I was sure that we were going to pick up a player to bolster the defensive front. Instead, we draft a tight end that was projected to go way lower then the 2nd round. At the conclusion of the draft, we did not address the defensive front at all.
I say all of this to make a point. Last year it was all but assured that we were going to draft all defense. Instead, we ended up drafting half offense. This year, I am going on record and saying I think we are going to draft a quarter back. If Clausen or Bradford fall to # 11, you can bet that there names will be called. I also think Tebow is a possibility in the 2nd (I SAID POSSIBILITY SO NO NEED TO GO CRAZY BECAUSE I SAID THE NAME TEBOW). With the recent release of Chris Simms, we are back down to 3 quarterbacks. Can you imagine Clausen falling on draft day. Then you hear, "With the 11th pick in the 2010 draft, the Denver Broncos select Jimmy Clausen QB, Notre Dame." McDaniels would be bashed more then he was last year for drafting Moreno (And THAT was a lot of bashing). I have no idea how it would work out. I have no idea why we would do it, but something tells me we are in for a surprise at the quarterback position.
Is it possible that we don't draft a quarterback in the draft? Yes. Actually, logic would dictate that after getting Quinn, we wouldn't even consider drafting a quarterback. With 3 quarterbacks all under 30, it seems a virtual certainty that we are going to draft other positions. However, I think it is safe to say, when it comes to the draft, McD isn't very logical. If certain people fall and others are taken early, prepare for another shocking NFL Draft. You got to love this time of year.
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If a solid QB falls to us at 11, I can easily see them getting picked
We can toss Brandstater any time and it wouldn’t be a big deal. He was a late-round pick and I haven’t been wowed with him yet.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
How can you say that
Didnt you see the Preseason game against Arizona? When all the backups and soon to be roster cuts were playing? He looked All pro. WE cant get rid of him…. rolls eyes*
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Cardinals played their first string well into the 3rd quarter
They were 0-3 in the pre season and Whisenhunt was pissed.
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One Preseason Game
Does not a NFL QB make…
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
He
played well in the preseason game, but that definitely does not prove anything. It could have been the best game he has played or the worst, we just don’t know. It is safe to say that if we have to drop Brandstater in order to get Bradford then it is worth it
My thoughts exactly
If Bradford for some reason falls, you have to think McD will be way too tempted. McD has publicly praised Brandstater, but then again what is he supposed to say “he sucks”?
I do not think you have McD/GMX figured out..
If a QB falls to #11, Denver would have a TON of teams calling to trade up.
Not one QB rates so high that Denver would stupidly take him.
if bradford somehow falls to #11, you have to at least consider it.
he’s too talented not to at least think about it.
Other than that, I say no to drafting a QB. Claussen is such a similar player to quinn, we’d be foolish to draft him now. in terms of getting value for our picks (something McD is big on) claussen doesn’t fit for us.
by bailey disciple on Mar 15, 2010 3:12 PM MDT reply actions
also,
there aren’t any other QB’s who I’d rather have than orton/quinn/brandstater at the cost of a pick in the first 3 rounds. and there aren’t any players talented enough to warrant a pick later than that.
In terms of drafting a QB this year, I think it’s Bradford at #11 or bust.
by bailey disciple on Mar 15, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
that you would have to at least consider it. I am not a fan of Clausen cause his attitude reminds me of Cutler and I DON’T want him back. I’m not so sure about any of the other quarterbacks either. But if McD drafts one you got to think he has a plan for them. If Zac Robinson or John Skelton goes undrafted then we should pounce on them.
We should keep in mind...
There’s no reason why we couldn’t keep 4 QBs if we draft a QB and feel strongly about both the draftee and Brandstater. Belichick did it in 2000 because he wanted to keep – you guessed it – Tom Brady.
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 3:28 PM MDT reply actions
If Sam Bradford magically falls to the 11th pick
We will not even hesitate picking him if no one wants to trade up. Bradford is the best QB in this class by far, and he fits our system. I wouldn’t bet anything on it though.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
St. Louis, Washington, Cleveland, Seattle, and Buffalo are all looking for a QB for the future. pretty much 0 chance we can get Bradford or Clausen at 11
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I think so too
If Bradford falls, I think it is a very real possibility that we grab him. I definitely won’t bet on it either. For some reason, I have a gut feeling that we are drafting a QB even if it’s not Bradford or Clausen.
Do you
really think we can compete for a superbowl with Kyle Orton? Bradfords shoulder is cause for some concern, but if he recovers as nicely as it sounds then if he falls we should take him.
But
IMO we are not good enough right now. We need improvements on several areas. Dawkins is going to retire soon. Bailey could be gone next year. We have veterans leaving and our current players can’t come in and fully replace what they give. Nobody is going to be able to give what Dawkins gives to us when he leaves. We will keep competing for playoffs. Hopefully, we sign quality free agents like we have been and draft players that will contribute so that in the future we can get to the Superbowl, but I say we are a good 2-5 years away from even being in that conversation. Orton is going to be past his time by the time we are ready to compete for the Superbowl and that is why I say we need to draft someone who will be ready to take us there when everything is in place.
Tired of this comment
Put me on a good enough team and I’ll win you a Superbowl. Orton is not bad. But he is not good. Average is his middle name.
by TR3X on Mar 16, 2010 1:36 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
The best thing to do
If a quality QB falls to us at #11, we open the bidding to whomever gives us the best deal and trade down for more picks. We’re set at QB. We’d be better off with another 2nd and 4th, getting us some BIG Bubba Olinemen like John Jerry, Brandon Carter(without the makeup), or Ciron Black. How about a Jackoby Ford?
News Flash....
If you havent seen rotoworld, Mike Holmgren all but said Cleveland is moving up JUST to take Bradford. Believe me, any further discussion about Bradford falling is just wasted verbiage. And with Claussen, we already have Claussen senior, his name is Brady Quinn. Same system, same skill, same everything! Why buy the carbon copy when we own the template?
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
I hear you
It was always unlikely that we were going to get Bradford. It was more of a what if he falls sort of scenario. I don’t want Clausen. Let me make myself clear. Ignoring the fact that I am a USC fan, I do not want him because of the reasons you said. Also because his attitude reminds me of Cutler. If Clausen drops, I think we suddenly have a place of power and people make calls and we get a great deal. If Bradford falls, I think we consider him IMO.
I'm pretty sure the former #1 pick Quinn
satisfies Bowlen’s remarks on getting another qb. We have some major pieces required to finish the rebuilding project, I hope we stay out of the qb race. If we suck with the other wholes filled then it’s because of the qb and we’ll pick high next year and have our choice. D-line/O-line, ILB and more speed on offense through RB or WR. Thats where I hope we’re going in this draft. Yes, with the one example to go on, McD is very unpredictable in the draft.
Quinn could
satisfy Bowlen’s remarks about a QB, but we don’t really know. We need more young players on defense. Our defense is very old and we need more depth at positions such as CB and d-line. ILB is definitely a position of need. We could use a power back and some young wide receivers. There are hardly any players that fit the bill to what we need at the 11th pick except maybe Joe Haden and Rolando McClain. Both very well could go earlier. If a good qb falls I think we could pick him up.
Won't it fill like we're just standing still if we do that,
the new young qb def. wouldn’t start and we’d still have that old defense and no play maker at ILB. I’m not sayin’ reach for a player just cause we need him, I get the whole BPA philosophy….just hope we’re not put in that position. Would be really great if we had our choice of BPA at a position we NEED. Haden, Wiliiams, McClain. Im happy with any of those. This is going to be a long month, I can feel it.
In a way
it might. Then again it is just 1 pick. We can address other needs with the other picks. We are definitely going to end up picking BPA. Haden I wouldn’t mind getting. I’m not 100% sold on McClain since Chrons came out and Williams is okay but I think it would definitely be a reach to take him at 11. The draft is taking way too long to get here.
I doubt McD will draft a QB in the 1st round
With his recent track record somwhat matching BB’s draft acquisitions, I believe it’s safe to assume, that if McD does in fact draft a QB, it would be no higher than the 4th round. And, it would be a sign that he has no faith in Brandstater.
Why would McD trade for a former 1st round QB who’s a former Charlie Weis pupil, if he still intends to draft a QB in April? It doesn’t make any sense. From the pattern that he has been establishing for over a year now, I believe that McD wants capable NFL players who already have pro experience. Quinn is far less of a project than a college QB that needs 1-2 years of grooming before he can contribute. The money being saved by not drafting a QB will also help shore up our other glaring holes, like C and G.
Man, I was really hoping that all this Tebow stuff was going to die off due to the trade – sheesh, I guess not.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Well
I don’t know if or when he would take a qb, but McD would do something like that and make us all totally confused. He did it last year with Knowshon and I have a feeling he is going to draft another QB and throw us all for a loop. He does want NFL ready players with pro experience, but that doesn’t mean there aren’t exceptions. Anybody you draft is going to need experience and if we draft someone like Bradford then it isn’t going to be a long time before he starts. In theory, we can draft G and C in the later rounds. Matt Tennant in the 3rd and Mich Petrus in the 4th would get you solid depth on the o-line. The chances of finding an o-lineman later in the draft that can come in and contribute soon are higher then a QB in later rounds. I’m not saying we are going to, I’m just saying it’s a possibility that would and wouldn’t surprise me.
Look at it this way
The QB position is pretty much set at the moment. We have 3 players on the depth chart: Orton/Quinn/Brandstater
We do not have a Center. This is such a major issue, that I cannot emphasize it enough. One that I believe warrants drafting higher than one normaly would, since their services would be needed on day 1. If Pouncey is the target, it is very smart of McX to be working out Tennant, just in case Pouncey is not available. It gives them enough information to know what their alternatives are, in case the FL star is taken by another team.
We have guards, but could use depth and would be a playoff team with more talent, so drafting late for a Mike Johnson may not be an improvement over Hochstein. Meanwhile, Iopati might be an upgrade over Hochstein, and the same reasoning could be added here, should the Broncos choose to work out Johnson. Those workouts can serve as insurance in case they need a backup plan during the draft.
At the right tackle position, we’re in need of help, since Polumbus was underwhelming last season. I’m glad the Broncos worked out Vladimir Ducasse last Wednesday, as that is a sign that they don’t see Tyler as a solid backup and Ryan Harris is expected to miss some games, unfortunately.
We all want Denver to go to the Superbowl next year, and without many FA options available (i.e., no Eugene Amano and Logan Mankins,) we need higher draft picks at the C/G positions to help us achieve that goal. The late round picks I believe con only get us to the playoffs, and not much more. I see them as depth, unless we miss out on the better linemen and have no choice but to pick them out of desparation.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
JD Walton
I forgot to add that he is scheduled to work out with the Broncos.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Very
good post. Lots of thoughts to chew on. I agree that we need to address the center position, but if we are interested in Pouncey then why haven’t we worked him out? That is a legitimate question that I want to know the answer to. I think McD is looking somewhere else in the 1st other then Pouncey. That is why IMO he is working out Matt Tennant and JD Walton. So he could pick a center in the later rounds. Secondly, a Mike Johnson kind of player could be better then Russ. If not the first year, the second or third year. We are not ready to go to the Superbowl. We have too many holes to compete with the Saints and Colts and Vikings. IMO it is going to take 2-5 years before we are ready to compete in the SuperBowl. I like Vladimir but I don’t know if using a 2nd round pick on a tackle when we have 2 of the best young tackles in Clady and Harris is such a good idea. Yes Harris is injured, but if he rehabs well, when healthy he is great. Don’t get me wrong, if we draft Pouncey or Iupati then great. I would have no complaints. They fill positions of need, but I just have a feeling McD is thinking differently. As for the QB position, I don’t know about you or anyone else, but I am not overly thrilled with the QB’s. Until one of them goes out there and proves they can make every throw including the deep ball then I am not totally satisfied. The deep ball is an important pass that we need to be able to make…especially if we get a wide receiver deep threat. Otherwise, those player that are deep threats are being underutilized. So far, Orton has not proven to me that he can throw the deep ball well. That is why I think McD might still be looking. Idk about Quinn and Brandstater, but Orton doesn’t have the arm to make that deep pass accurately.
McD is frugal
So it’s possible that he does intend to draft guys like Johnson and Tennant. Not having worked out the big names may just mean that other teams have beat the Broncos to scheduling workouts, so I wouldn’t read into it much. If they don’t get an invitation to Dove Valley before the draft though, then everything you have said about the O-line will prove to be true. So we’ll have to play the waiting game, I’m afraid.
I understand what you’re saying, I really do: expect the unexpected with McD. If it doesn’t make sense, that is what he’ll do.
As far as the “Kyle can’t throw the deep ball accurately,” I think that is a dead horse that’s been beaten severly here at MHR. I say this: let’s wait until Kyle consistently has more than 2.5 seconds to get rid of the football before stating that he can’t throw it deep. If you do not have pass protection from the middle of your O-line, there is not 1 QB in the NFL right now that could go 40 yards down the field. The play has not had enough time to develop.
IMO, our current stepping stone is to shore up our O-line. If Kyle (or Brady or Tom) have trouble in the passing game due to a breakdown in protection in front of them, then we haven’t solved our offensive line woes. If the O-line is getting it done and the starting QB is inaccurate, can’t throw deep, etc., then at that point we can discuss an upgrade. Please know, we may already have a QB that can throw the ball well and throw it deep and his name is Tom Brandstater. Only McD knows at this point how urgent the QB situation is. Let’s wait this one out through OTAs and we’ll know much more by summer. It’s not easy, but hang in there!
Before I sign off, this made me laugh:
I SAID POSSIBILITY SO NO NEED TO GO CRAZY BECAUSE I SAID THE NAME TEBOW
Count me in that category, I’m just going nuts tonight (=
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I guess
your right. When Kyle gets total protection, we will really know if he can throw the deep ball. IMO he doesn’t have the arm. He hasn’t shown it any year he has been in the league, but maybe he has been hiding it. We shall see. I HATE waiting so long to see what is going to happen. I WANT TO KNOW NOW!!! haha. All we can do is see where we go and hopefully it leads us to victories. hahaha I am scared to say the word Tebow because I’m afraid people are going to jump out of my screen and shank me in my heart.
Nope
If Orton had an arm we would have seen it by now. Protection or no protection. He can’t throw the deep ball.
by TR3X on Mar 16, 2010 1:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
That's what I tend to believe
but maybe if he has enough protection he will show us differently since last year our o-line was inconsistent.
Washington
Did you see the game against the Redskins?
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I think the arm is there, but
the protection has not allowed the play calling to develop. No way to know for sure unless we actually TRY throw deep more frequently … One game (Washington, for example) doesn’t give eonough throws to evaluate accuracy, ability to spot the deep man, or ease of throwing the deep ball. IF we fix our protection and STILL don’t take shots deep, I would have to figure McD thinks KO can’t do it.
Best Defense is a Great Offense
Broncos want to score and often next season. Which means improved the O-Line in the Red Zone and score more TD’s. Draft best available for the offense who can start immediately. Thomas-wr, Lupati-g, Jon Asamoah-g/c, Trent Williams-t/g, Dez Bryant-wr.
Trade down to draft the following in 1st round: Eric Berry-s, Mays-s, Joe Haden-cb, Brandon Spikes-ilber, Rolando McClain-ilber.
ST’s [rounds 3-4]: Brandon James-KO / PR / WR; Damian Williams-KO / PR / #4WR
oc60
Best player Available
is one way of going at it. Never going to get Eric Berry. Mays would be a reach at 11, Haden is a possibility that I like, Spikes would be a 2nd round selection and Rolando is a possibility depending how you look at his Chron’s. I like Thomas, Iupati, and Asamoah, but I would rather have terrell owens then Dez Bryant. The guy is a walking problem. He would fill the place of Marshall in every category except prodcutivity. He screams holdout.
Best Available
I know its wishful thinking about Berry and McClain but had to put them in and if not available we should trade down for more draft picks. With the pick up of Jamal Williams I seriously think we shouldn’t waste a #11 pick when we have Baker & Thomas waiting in the wings to learn from Williams. We need immediate starters either on the O-line or Skilled position at WR and Guard. I am in favor of keeping Marshall who will have another mega year of 100+ and more TD’s. Can you imagine Marshall, Royal, and Demaryius Thomas not to mention Gaffney and Moreno got to like it, specially if we get lucky and land Campbell or Lupati.
oc60
Wishful thinking
is always good. I would love Berry. I think we should go after Pouncey or Iupati with 11 or trade down and get them. I am not in favor of keeping marshall because I am not prepared to deal with another one of his up and down seasons. If I were to be guarenteed that he wouldn’t act up then yes I would want him back, but there is no guarentee. I like Demayrius. He has good potential. No way we draft Bruce Campbell. He is a waste of a pick. We have two of the best young tackles in the league in Clady and Harris.
I won't say I'll agree or disagree that we draft a QB in the draft,
but I will say one thing…I"ll a six pack of of you favorite bud we don’t! I like budweiser and if you win I’ll get your email and address and mail it to you…OK?
I'll (bet) a six pack...Duh...I'm getting tired...I think I'll go to bed now...
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions
What a PISSER!!
We could have had Arakpo and Maualuga! Instead, we….GGRRRrrrr…Nevermind!
Strength and honor
"It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you've got to have is faith and discipline when you're not yet a winner." -Vince lombarti
haha
I know right. Hopefully, our players turn out better. Maualuga got a DUI this off season so I’m relieved we don’t have that on our hands. I do wish we had Orakpo. He is a beast, but it’s okay. Knowshon will just have to step it up this season
It's a very real possibility
and I would like the pick up. We have very little depth at Center, but then again last year we didn’t have depth at D-Line and we didn’t draft D-Line so who knows?
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