Breaking News!! Brady Quinn wants to play!
by John Bena on Mar 15, 2010 8:11 PM MDT
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Brady Quinn met with the Denver media this afternoon via conference call. For those that want to listen, I've attached the audio here - Brady Quinn Interview - 3_15_10
For those that want to take my word for it, Quinn said all the right things. He was gracious of the Browns and their fans - unlike Derek Anderson who took some parting shots on his way out the door. Quinn was thankful of the opportunity. Quinn also said something that is making headlines everywhere - including ESPN.
When asked if he intended on being the starter, Quinn said the following -
"I'll put it this way, I think every quarterback on our roster wants to play," Quinn said. "Believe me, whether it's Tom [Brandstater], Kyle, or myself, we're all quarterbacks. We're going to be team players first, but we all want to be out there playing.
There's more.
"Every quarterback on our roster wants to play," Quinn said. "We're going to be team players first but we all want to be out there playing on the field."
This, of course, is exactly what Quinn should say. If he didn't say it, I'd be worried. Does that mean that we have a full-blown quarterback controversy? For me, it is easiest to answer yes and no. The nature of playing quarterback in the NFL is to be second guessed on every play, every throw, every INT. The pressure to play well, week to week, is extremely high. The backup quarterback is the most popular player on most teams in the NFL. Coaches try to squelch controversy as best they can, but unless you have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady it is a practice in futility.
We also know that Josh McDaniels is a huge proponent of competition all over the roster. He likes guys to go hard at every practice, every workout. He believes, as I do, that putting players in pressure situations as frequently as possible will, in turn, create football players that react better when the pressure is on.
The two combined mean there is, at some level, a quarterback controversy.
Will there be a full-blown, Eric Mangini-type quarterback yo-yo in Denver? No way. While McDaniels wants competition, he also knows that allowing players to choose a quarterback to support on their own is a bad idea. Someone needs to get a majority of the reps in practice, someone needs to be the guy heading into the off-season. That guy is Kyle Orton, and as long as he comes to work - he's expected to be in town for the conditioning program on Friday - Orton will be the starting quarterback.
What does that mean, though? Not a whole lot. With McDaniels every day is a new day - a new competition so to speak - for the 53 men on the roster. The best 45 will be active every Sunday, and regardless of pay-check or draft status the best 11 men on offense and the best 11 men on defense will play on Sunday. That means if Brady Quinn is the better quarterback through June, July and August than Quinn will be the guy under center, regardless of who is named the starter today, tomorrow or next month.
Several players have bristled at this type of work atmosphere. One by one, McDaniels is ridding the Broncos of guys that don't want to compete or won't compete. In their place are pplayers that look forward to coming to work - everyday - not just when the bright lights are on and camera rolling.
Kyle Orton is that type of player. Soon we'll find out if Brady Quinn is that type of player as well. Josh McDaniels thinks so, and based on Quinn's comments he is ready to dive right in and compete. The Broncos will only be better for it.
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Pointless first.
Now I’ll listen.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
LOL. We're both ill, I think....
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
This post
Is what has been said on MHR for the past 24 hours non-stop. This off season just got way more drama then I wanted.
Well it is an upgrade to Simms
Josh is starting to reach. At least we did’t sign delomme
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
Great Analysis
A lot of people keep saying KO is definitely the starting quarterback. I disagree…KO obviously has the heads up by being in the system and having more past success, but that doesn’t really mean squat if you think about it. If Quinn is able to demonstrate that he is the better QB, he will be the starter. Enough said. Even if it isn’t likely to happen.
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 8:25 PM MDT reply actions
I did
make it happen Tommy B!!!!!!!!
free special ed.
my rofl copter goes....
soi soi soi soi soi!!
your mom
by GrocerySnake on Mar 15, 2010 11:37 PM MDT up reply actions
The most important question of the call:
“What number will you wear?”
WHEN WILL WE FIND THAT OUT?! I want to know the numbers of our new players, dammit!! Gah! Seriously, when can I expect that? It’s literally the part of the offseason that I care most about.
Hey kiddies.... I have Internet candy in my van...
"Would you wear 15"
Who are these asshole, instigating, reporters? Oh yeah the Denver Media
by NYCBroncoFan on Mar 16, 2010 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Great Question
Does that mean that we have a full-blown quarterback controversy?
I think it is only a matter of time. Why? Because the MSM does not like McD and will try to conjure up anything they can to make headlines. Where there’s a will, there’s a way. =)
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Yeah no kidding
The first I heard ESPN talking about this was just that, “Denver now has a QB controversy.” I was rolling my eyes when I heard it and then realized I would be surprised if I heard anything but that.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
then the McDaniels haters will come out of the wood works once again.
and personally he’s having a great offseason IMO
"The biggest thing I've learned is that you only have one chance. You only have today to live-but you gotta take it and make it the best you can"
-Bert McCracken
by Scotty Payne on Mar 15, 2010 8:51 PM MDT up reply actions
nah the haters are lying in wait...
i know all their haunts.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 5:56 AM MDT up reply actions
Who needs the MSM
To create a QB controversy? We have enough Orton haters on this site to do that for them.
Yeah we do.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
having a quarterback who wants to play
keeps us at least one step in front of the raiders.
by oxmouth on Mar 15, 2010 8:46 PM MDT reply actions 8 recs
hahhhaahahhahhahahaah
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
I thought we had TWO that wanted to play
;-p
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
I agree that the better and most prepared QB will start, just like Arrington will start if he beats out Moreno
I disagree entirely about the QB competition. There’s nothing I can see to suggest McDaniels likes “a QB competition”. Some may point to last season, with Simms and Orton. OK. But that ended early and it was a different situation entirely. McD wasn’t accostomed to either one. The team had no clear cut starter at the time.
Right or wrong, I see McDaniels as the kind of guy that cherishes not just leadership, but “the leader”, “the guy”, the face of the offense. These men will compete, and in the crazy event that Quinn shows he’s clear and away more ready and prepared to field the team than Kyle, so be it – he’ll quarterback the team. But isn’t that obvious? That doesn’t mean we have a QB competition. McDaniels will likely come out with fairly firm words, clearly stating that “Kyle is the man”.
When (and if) he says that, things won’t change. Many will still cling to the notion that there’s a QB competition – that they’re competing for the starting role. And while that’s at least technically true (just like Alphonso Smith could technically win the CB#2), there’s no reason to believe that McDaniels will diminish Kyle Orton’s clout by having the team wonder if he’s “the guy”.
There’s no QB competition here. Kyle Orton is our guy for 2010.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Mar 15, 2010 8:47 PM MDT reply actions 4 recs
I tend to agree with you elvisalex,
but, you have to admit it will be nice to have a better QB as a backup.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
I see these two quotes as summing up McDaniels' leadership & position competition attitudes:
“Leadership is getting someone to do what they don’t want to do, to achieve what they want to achieve.” — Tom Landry
“There is an old saying that the strength of the wolf is the pack, and I think there is a lot of truth to that. On a football team, it’s not the strength of the individual players, but it is the strength of the unit and how they all function together.” — Bill Belichick
And this one sums up, IMHO, what McDaniels has been doing since he was hired:
“One thing that could be a problem is breaking old habits. It’s not that you don’t understand what the new responsibilities or plays are, but just the fact that you’ve been doing something a long time and you’re kind of used to doing it, it’s a habit, and that’s not what’s required in the other system and that means kinds of undoing something before you can even start to do something new.” — Bill Belichick
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by BShrout on Mar 15, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions 6 recs
Good stuff. Rec’d for wisdom.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 15, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I was a lone wolf. Then I met you guys.
Could it be? 3 more lone wolves, joining me in a pack?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
by ncm42 on Mar 15, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm relieved someone got the reference...
I was worried that would go down as the single dumbest comment ever, if no one picked up on what I was going for…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Ummmm....
Maybe you completely misunderstood what I wrote. I wasn’t saying there would be a controversy – not in the sense of an ‘open competition’. In fact, you wrote 3 paragraphs stating exactly what I said, just differently….
So, in this case, we agree!
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(sigh)
In fact, you wrote 3 paragraphs stating exactly what I said, just differently….
this statement sums up so many of the comments here
as long as you're paying attention
So instead of sighing about it...
…let us hear your opinion.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
sorry my friend
i guess that was my point. as much time as i spend here, you don’t hear much from me because i don’t aspire to be an echo.
i promise to share my interesting thoughts… if and when i think them up.
thank you for engaging me tho.
as long as you're paying attention
After reading it again...
I did misunderstand your take at least somewhat. So I would delete the following sentence…
I disagree entirely about the QB competition.
The rest would stand and we do seem to agree. I like competition in most cases, QB is not usually one of them. The team needs to know who “the man” is. And showing that confidence in Orton, for the first time in his career, could mean the difference between being good and safe, and potentially taking the next step in his young career.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Rec.
Orton has control. From what I have read, the locker room responds well to him and he is considered a leader on the team despite his short time on the field. He makes these guys play better and that is what the QB position is all about IMO. Can’t wait to see them in action in 2010!!!
Well
If Orton makes these guys play better I’d hate to see how horrible they are capable of playing. The offense was putrid last season. How did he make the O-Line play better? Or the WRs? Or anyone, for that matter? Sorry, all of these nicey nice cliches without any facts behind them are just odd to me.
Jibbles is an older man so you can trust what he says.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 16, 2010 4:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Thank you, I can't wait either!
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
well we certainly don't know what McD's take is on QB compition... it's his first in charge really.
Meanwhile, from the guy that couldn’t tell Jay he wouldn’t trade him…? I’m thinking every position has to be earned every year. It’s how I’d do it. Even if I had an Elway. You have to make the leaders crawl through the same mud as the grunts if you want them to have any respect.
The only exception to this imo, is when a clear 1st stringer gets hurt he should get 1st shot at regaining his starting postion without question.
That said, I hope Quinn is our starter!!
I say that because the only way he steals the starting job from Kyle (who picked it up so damn well his first year!) is to blow everyone away in camp and preseason. Who wouldn’t be excited to see that happen?
…besides Kyle.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:02 AM MDT up reply actions
oh whidbey,
… it’s his first in charge really.
i don’t understand how you can make a statement like that when there was clearly more competition last year than there will be this year
as long as you're paying attention
Well said alex!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 16, 2010 6:51 AM MDT up reply actions
And speaking of competition, don't be surprised if TommyB beats out Mr. Quinn for the #2
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 16, 2010 6:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I do believe that's where the real competition lies, at least for this year
Tom has a year in the system under his belt. This comes down to who is best equipped to field the team should Kyle get injured (at least somewhat likely). I don’t believe the call will be made on sexiness, but readiness… a true competition, may the best man win.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I didn't see this post when I made my FanShot!
Honest!
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
No word from Hillis! Nobody's even cared enough to get a quote!
Wow….he must feel like a pair of brown shoes at a blacktie formal….that’s too bad! He was a gr8 kid. We’ll miss the ramblin redneck. We may never know what happened between he and McD, but we sure won’t forget the electric impact he created in 08!
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by Hogblog on Mar 15, 2010 9:00 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Hillis doesn't give quotes.....
he gives PAIN.
haha, man am I going to miss Hillis….
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 15, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Wow! You guys who are in love with Hillis need to wake up. He was an average player who had a streak of a couple of good games. THAT’S IT! He did nothing last year. We were lucky that some one wanted him.
by TR3X on Mar 15, 2010 11:16 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
hillis hillis hillis hillis
ok i can get over him now
free special ed.
quiet! Hillis has left the building. Send him with our best and forget him, he's a Brown
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Why?
Why do we ‘have to’ forget players who contributed to our team in the past?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
We appreciate his contributions
both in ‘08 when they were a lot more, uh, pronounced, and ’09 and we hope he does well in Cleveland, just not against us. He was a solid character guy, as far as we all know, and he seemed to work as hard as anyone. For whatever reason, things didn’t work out and we as a collective can wish him well.
There.
Are the rest of us allowed to move on now without Hillis since he’s no longer a Bronco?
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 16, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm lost.
So if some people want to speak fondly of Hillis…or Mike Bell….or Rod Smith…or John Elway….or Ed McCaffrey…or Floyd Little…or Neil Smith….how does that prevent anyone else from “moving on?”
I agree, most of us would rather concentrate on our team moving into the future, but I still fail to see why it makes some people so irate. Did I stumble into the DP message boards, where only the “right” point of view is allowed?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Jesus, dude.
Do you really think I’m ‘irate’? At this point, I don’t even know what the hell this ‘argument’ is about.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by SlamDunkTheFunk on Mar 16, 2010 10:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Did I say you're "irate"?
I was making a general observation. I have no idea where the ‘argument’ comes from either. Some people were wishing well a player they liked.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Moving forward doesn't mean forgetting
We can remember how good we wanted him to be, follow his career, and still move forward.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
by Alex on Mar 16, 2010 9:33 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hmmm
Here I thought people are allowed to pick their own favorite players…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Silly NCM
Picking faveorite players is for the MEDIA!!
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- Thomas Alva Edison
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- Alex Noble
I say being on the QB comp! Everbody wins, everyone gets better!
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quinn will start
Orton does not have it he too slow. He has very limit moblitily. Quinn has way stronger arm
Really? Based on what?
From some of the scouting reports I’ve read, it seems that Quinn likes to play small ball, too. Also, Orton has decent mobility, although it wasn’t great after his ankle injury. Granted, he’s no Mike Vick (pre-jail time). However, he is underrated in his mobility, IMO.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 15, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh no you didn't!
“Orton has decent mobility”
really? Stumblin, rumblin fumblin, hit him and he falls, flush him and he falls. I like KO but this is NOT a strength!
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I said he had "decent" mobility.
I don’t see that as a stretch, at all. If you go back and look at the Cincinnati game or the Patriots game, he had pretty good movement, feel in the pocket and (dare I say?) speed. In fact, I watched the Pats game and then the Philly game, back to back, and the difference in his mobility was GLARING.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 8:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Tends to happen
After you hurt your ankle.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Yup. lol. I realize I was channeling my inner "Mr. Obvious".
However, it’s worth noting that Orton does have “decent” mobility. Everyone who doesn’t believe me, go back and watch the Cincinnati game. Orton was moving pretty well.
Many times, we take only the last event as the most fitting of a person’s traits. If you see your friend yesterday and he tells a lie straight to your face, you’d probably classify him as a liar today. However, if you look back over the 10 years that you’ve known that person, they haven’t ever told you a lie. You just remember what happened yesterday and apply it to your friend.
I think that, many times, we are all guilty of doing that with certain players, too. (myself included) Let’s look at Orton’s whole body of work and not just view him as a hobbled inept QB, because he isn’t that.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 10:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Orton NEVER moved very well in the pocket. Ever.
At his best he avoids a tackle here and there, Marino did that …not a good mover but good company.
Marino didn’t get flustered and fall down and I’m not trying to here that his ankle caused his happy feet!
Try this… list the guys in the league that Orton moves better than. …it won’t take long.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not arguing that, WB.
I’m not saying that he’s Vick or McNabb or Cassel or Big Ben. I’m saying that he’s underrated as a mobile QB. He isn’t Jake Plummer who can throw outside of the pocket better than inside of the pocket.
I’m not trying to make Orton seem like Chris Johnson with a throwing arm. He isn’t that. I’m just saying that I think he moves better than what most people think.
Favre, Eli Manning, Palmer, Warner, Culpepper, Byron Leftwich, Garrard, Hasselbeck, Jabba the Russell, Jake Delhomme, Marc Bulger
just for fun……… Cutler
hahaha
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed
Just because he doesn’t scramble well, should mean he good mobility. Against KC he ran for the first down quite easily, and while he was often pressured, he wasn’t sacked that often. And I have trouble remembering him ever tripping an d falling down.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
ummm.....
I Think Farve, Manning, Delhomme, Bulger, and idk…pick one or two non Jabba’s to add, move better than Orton….in fact I will go one step further…its not so much how well he moves only…its more that he doesn’t handle the touch well.
Every time I saw someone clip him (yes the word every is an exageration) he fell. Whether Orton can move well or not he has no stability on his feet when pressured. And at least Quinn DOES have that.
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Hm, just watched about half an hour of clips
on NFL.com and saw him fall when he got hit or sacked, which is when most QB’s fall.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions
well my hat is off to you on that one....
When a QB is sacked….they usually fall….HAHAHA
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Haha
True, but I was saying, I never really say him trip up or just slip for no reason.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Orton?
I saw it all the time. a guy gets one hand near his foot and he can’t get away. Whereas I saw multiple times (again college footage) where BQ was hit fairly well and broke away only to make a good throw. Thats all.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
umm.....I'm afraid to say yes....
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Watch the game film, not the highlights.
NFLN will just show you what they think is important.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Right, but nfl.com is from NFLN
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Thats the worst list ever Kentucky
Orton doesnt move nearly as well as Favre or Eli. Palmer is coming off of major knee surgery. Warner, ok I’ll give you that but isnt he 42? Culpepper is a backup as is Byron. Garrard I dont know enough about but I thought he had decent mobility. Russell is 300 lbs, Delhome is ancient and Bulger I’ll give you that as well.
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I’ll give you Favre. That was probably a bad example.
Eli doesn’t move as well as Orton. Apart from the one broken tackle in the super bowl that ended up being a long ball to Tyree, he is kinda lanky and uncoordinated, at times. Even Michael Strahan said on America’s game how awkward Eli was.
Palmer is coming off of knee surgery, yes. However, that doesn’t give him a pass. It is a lingering problem because he was injured in 2005. If he hasn’t recovered by now, he won’t.
Warner is old. lol
Culpepper started 5 games in 2009 for the lions.
Leftwich started 3 games in 2009.
The rest you got right.
Again, I didn’t feel that it was necessary to go through each and every QB that I feel Orton can move better than. That’s not what this was about. I simply did that to humor WB.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 5:41 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus
Why does it matter if he is not even one of the most sacked QB’s in the league. The guys that have good footwork, MaNabb or Big Ben, also are near the top in sacks, so I won’t mind have a less mobile QB if he doesn’t lead in times sacked.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 5:49 PM MDT up reply actions
This is true. Good point mwd
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:01 PM MDT up reply actions
But you're right
in part, Orton is supposed to increase his athleticism this off-season, so hopefully that will help him not get too tripped up.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 7:58 PM MDT up reply actions
yeah, i don't see that
… everything i’ve seen of both guys says that orton has the stronger arm, more accuracy and better mechanics. i agree though, that orton moves about as well as orson welles in a leather chair.
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by KaptainKirk on Mar 15, 2010 10:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Lack of evidence
There is nothing to prove you statement, plus Quinn is just as bad with pocket presence.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 12:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Quinn's learning curve is undetermined as of yet. Kyle has reached his pocket presence prowess peak!
The old quad P
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Quinn has played enough games
Stop making it sound like he’s a rookie.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 10:14 AM MDT up reply actions
really? How many? For who? Did I say rookie? Very very green.
Ya see all you gotta do is read the words you’re responding to…
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 11:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Plus....there is a good amount of college footage...
yes I know college and NFL are way different….but there is a lot of college footage to backup the statement about Quinn…he has pretty good skills avoiding the sack….better than Orton in my honest opinion
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"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
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Avoiding a sack
Is a good skill, but look at Aaron Rodgers of Favre, while I’m not comparing them, avoiding a sack isn’t that important, and look how many times Orton was sacked, not that many times. He is ranked 14th in times sacked, behind the likes of McNabb, Romo, Flacco and Eli Manning.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree the number of times sacked is not important overall as long as
its not an atrociously high number….BUT
What is important is taking a sack on a very important down for a big loss, with a shoestring tackle. not EVEN a shoe string tackle….more like a Toe Brush Tackle. and I saw that in person happen at least twice at the Red Skins game BEFORE he was injured.
I like Orton, he’s our man, I just wish he would develop his sea legs so to speak
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
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Quinn Draft Picks
What happens if the draft does not happen next year due to a lockout? Will the Quinn draft pick that the Broncos “paid” be shifted a year?
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The draft will happen in 2011...
That is a certainty…
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Lockout
If there is a lockout in 2011, which seems likely, and they do indeed still have a 2011 draft essentially all teams will have 2 drafts worth of draft picks (2011 & 2012) when play resumes in 2012. That means teams will have to make room for twice as many rookies on their rosters in 2012.
Also, don’t you think it will be problamatic to sign the rookies you drafted in 2011 to contracts when there won’t even be any games played that year? Would the teams essentially just own the drafted players rights until 2012, ie. no players drafted in 2011 will sign until the 2012 league year?
One final point that has been brought up before; as it stands now the draft is a function of the CBA. I know the league’s stance on this is that there will be a 2011 draft regardless of a new CBA being in place or not. The way I see it, unless the PA & league make a seperate agreement to allow for the 2011 draft to take place, I just don’t see how there can be a 2011 draft since the draft is a function of the CBA.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Simms didn't relinquish anything to Orton last summer either
when they were competing head-to-head as potential starters. Orton simply performed better and displayed a better grasp of the system. Quinn may have more system experience than Simms did, but I’d be shocked if he emerged as the starter. Orton’s only grown more comfortable since he took the helm last year, and was voted a team captain. He’s not Favre, Manning, or Elway, but he’s a leader and has enough game to weather this competition.
Nutshell? This is really no different than last year, except that all three QBs are more experienced in the system. Competition or no, Orton will still be the guy at the end of the summer, imo.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
but
it wouldn’t break my heart to see Brady Quinn push him hard! ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 15, 2010 9:41 PM MDT up reply actions
A part of me really thinks that Orton or Brady will be with the Broncos come training camp
It seems like one of them is going to in some kind of trade package coming up. How about we send Quinn and our 11th pick to New England for Tom Brady (In my dreams) then we don’t have a QB controversy :(
I can't believe there are 25+% on here that gullable!
Kyle’s the man!!! 13-3 baby!!!
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 10:36 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
we know this. but for Quinn to tke over so soon would mean he'd be spectacular....
I hope for it.
I wouldn’t bet a dollar on it.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 6:08 AM MDT up reply actions
I can't believe 22% think Quinn is any kind of answer
Did anybody even watch him….at all… last year? he was BBBBAAAADDDDDD. I think he is on this team as insurance, if Sims didn’t blow so hard in his stint when Orton went down Quinn would not even be here
free special ed.
Swissy14 may I suggest that you read my post I just put up on Quinn.
Whether he will make a top NFL quarterback I have no idea, but we have to take into consideration of where he came from…Cleveland, and frankly I haven’t ever seen them win a SuperBowl yet with anybody…That’s not to say that Quinn or even Orton for that reason will ever take us there, but the reasoning is much better in Denver than it is in Cleveland. I would give him a chance to find out for himself.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 10:57 PM MDT up reply actions
fair enough
i never said I was rooting against Quinn, I just don’t think he is as good as people have been hyping him up to be since the trade. When the idea that we were to trade for him floated up a few days ago, people seemed to agree that he would be a nice backup but that is it. Now that he is a Bronco there is blow up of people wanting him to start and to be “the guy” after he performed so poorly. I hope im wrong and that he is the next Tom Brady of course because i want the Broncos to win, but all this expectation is a little over the top.
free special ed.
Nice try MSM.
Once again they try to get a player to slip up and give a juicy comment and FAILED! I know there is the whole Marshall thing going on, however the last comment on wanting #15 was a bit low if you ask me. On the other hand this is the MSM so what else do you expect.
Nice interview by Quinn. Thanks for link John.
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if quinn earns it..
good for him. i am actually looking forward to seeing him play.
having said that, orton is still my man
your mom
As soon as Quinn understands and is able to implement this offense, he then will push Orton for that position.
That is a long hill for him to climb. But he is here now and he has the tools and the best assistance that he could want to do just this. I wish him well.
I have always been a fan of his and hope that he has a long successful career in Denver.
Thank you, John.
Champ
Did anyone have a listen to Champ Bailey’s comments about the Quinn acquisition (and Simms dump) on KOA’s the Ride Home with Dave Logan today? He sounded positively ambivalent IMHO. His words were all the “right things” about supporting his new team mate, but the way he said them and the things he left out had me coming away with the clear feeling that Champ’s is not at all worked up about this particular personnel move.
Did anyone else hear this sound bite on KOA with Champ, and did you feel that he was giving less than a ringing endorsement, or perhaps I took it the wrong way? I wonder how the rest of the locker room feels about our offseason moves thus far?
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
I heard it
Sounded a bit off, not really that excited, and if a team captain isn’t excited that might not be a good thing.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 16, 2010 12:42 AM MDT up reply actions
How excited are our stars supposed to get when we bring in a backup QB?
I bet Champ feels like a lot of fans do. If all goes well and with a bit of luck, Quinn will never see the field in 2010.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Champ Not Excited
Maybe I read more into his vocal inflection than the words. Obviously since we played the Browns last year, Champ has studied a lot of film on BQ and of course played against him. It may be that he didn’t give his performance(s) high marks. And my guess is that Simms was perhaps better-liked in the locker room and on the practice field than we fans know about.
Pure speculation of course. It was also pretty obvious that Champ isn’t real cranked up about the OTAs, saying:
“Honestly, man, it starts way too early,” Bailey said. “I think our first game is what, September? They pay me a lot of money to come here and work out with these guys though, so I’m going to be here.”
Read more: http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14682095#ixzz0iO8Qm8sN
Of course, at the end of the day it’s all about winning – GO BRONCOS!!!!
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
It's not just you
I, too, got the impression that he’s somewhat unhappy. Not just the OTA’s, but with some of the changes also. I don’t see this as a big worry though. I think if he is a little disappointed, he’ll get over it. He’s probably just sort of in the moment right now.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
It could be said...
…that if you have two (or even three!) quarterbacks and none of them is the clearcut starter, then you in fact have ZERO quarterbacks….
What if you don't know Jack....but Jack knows you?
Or...
It could be that either Kyle, or Brady is another Drew Brees situation. A change of scenery, a new team, and it’s straight to the top! It could also be the Tom B. is the next Tom Brady. It could be that we have three excellent QB’s in the making.
Either way, Simms wasn’t cutting anything. Brady Quinn really shoud be an upgrade, and everyone is waiting quietly to see if Brandstater can capitolize on his speed, armstrength, and mobility. We all wonder just what this kid has…
Strength and honor
"It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you've got to have is faith and discipline when you're not yet a winner." -Vince lombarti
by kybroncomaniac on Mar 16, 2010 1:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Drew Brees was pretty successful in SD.
I can’t think of any recent QBs who have been as unsuccessful as Quinn and then gone to another team and had success.
I hope you are right....
Despite my occasional bouts with pessimism about the Broncos QB situation, I hope someone (I do not care who) emerges and has a breakout season that helps define or redefine their career course and takes the Broncos along with to the top of the heap!…and regarding SD…if you really ponder it, they had their hooks in Eli Manning, Drew Brees AND Phyllis over a short period of time…talk about a lot of talent at QB…
I think the thing that has occured here is that Kyle Orton is a good but perhaps not great NFL QB….at least that is where he is currently…in order to be successful in tis league, the best and most tried and true course is to have a great QB…there are exceptions to that rule of course, but over the years that is the golden ticket….since KO is perhaps not great (though he may still become so)…SOME Bronco fans peer over the fence at the other guy and wonder if he might not be better (sorta like Simms last season)….there is an almost irrational love for Brandstater based on nothing but a few snaps in preseason games against the other teams third string….and yet, perhaps those impressions are correct…and we will never know until he is thrown into the fire….and until he is, the unrequited love will remain….and now Brady Quinn enters the fray…once thought of as the next big thing, his star has fallen considerably, but he has excelled on the big stage of Notre Dame football….and we can all agree that Cleveland is hardly a place where a true measure can be taken, so he is suddenly the next object of affection….with some reason, but also with some blind faith….
In the end, as Bronco fans, we can only hope that one of them is in fact great…you can dare to dream that MORE than one is great…but that might be asking an awful lot….I for one would be happy with one out of three!
What if you don't know Jack....but Jack knows you?
by Hugo Norton on Mar 16, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions
X2 on Brandstater
He seems like the forgotten man on our fan totem pole. Knowing full well it was preseason and that it was our scrubs against their scrubs, I thought he looked outstanding against AZ.
Jeff Zepp, Kittredge CO USA
Let the competition begin....
who ever is the best QB at the end of the summer is the one I want to start. I don’t care which of the three it is, I want the best one that can get us the W’s. I don’t care about anything else, don’t care who may have bad body language, unspoken meanings and all the other bs we try to stir up when we are bored and waiting for the next season to start.
Whom ever starts is ok because they are all Bronco’s. Being QB is for the best one not the one we all like best…
My guess is Tim Tebow fans
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
YES! I voted other in hopes of Seeing Tebow under center
by War Eagle Aubie on Mar 16, 2010 6:04 PM MDT up reply actions
In two years? Three?
I don’t count it out if he’s available in the third round. I mostly count it out in the 2nd. I surely count it out in the 1st.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Hahahahahah
From MJD blog today:
“Let’s quickly review the value given to the Cleveland Browns from the Brady Quinn(notes) experiment: They spent a first-round draft pick on him, watched him play about three good games in three years, and then shipped him off to Denver in exchange for three soiled pairs of these socks.”
Any guesses to what socks he linked????
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