Buccaneers in Marshall Derby?
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 15, 2010 8:07 PM MDT
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My friend Shawn Zobel, who runs the site www.draftheadquarters.com, is reporting that the Broncos are in talks with the Buccaneers about Brandon Marshall and the Bucs' third overall pick. He's reporting that we're giving up the 11th in addition, and made no further comment on what else, if anything, the Broncos would receive.
Shawn has never, to my knowledge, made any claim like this before, so I'm not sure how legitimate it is or not. I suppose time will tell us that. Anyway, he's also reporting that we'd be making a move up to get Eric Berry, the safety from Tennessee who is considered by many to be the top available prospect in this draft.
I know our own TJ Johnson absolutely loves Eric Berry, and I think his addition would be most welcome. Still, giving up Marshall AND our first round pick seems steep to move into the top three of any draft. I would imagine the Buccaneers would throw in one of their two second round picks as well.
I can't say I would be upset with this trade AS LONG AS Denver gets another 2nd round pick in return. Picking third in the draft allows you to get Eric Berry if you want him, but I'm also not so sure Ndamukong Suh is a lock to go to the Detroit Lions. Either player is a rare talent and hard to come by, so it will be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Again, I'm just a messenger here, and I don't know his sources. This could be totally erroneous, but it's interesting food for thought nonetheless. Would you all be happy if we traded Marshall and the 11th pick for the 3rd overall pick? Would you be happy if we traded Marshall and the 11th pick for the 3rd pick and a 2nd round pick?
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Sayre!
Tell me it’s true! Eric Berry = The Next Great Broncos Safety!!!
Pleeeeeeeaaaaase! Pleaaaaaase!!!
Yes, we need that 2nd rounder for sure. I agree
The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.
haaaaaaaaaaaa.
ERIC BERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.
I Hope This Is True!!
I hope this is true since if we could get the 3rd overall pick and their second round pick. That would mean we would have the third pick of the second round as well!!
could pouncey fall?
if we could get him too, that’d be way too sweet
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 1:35 AM MDT up reply actions
We need more compensation
Based on the NFL draft value pick chart, this would put B marsh at 950 points, which is lower than Seattle’s 14th, which I feel we could get out of Seattle
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 8:21 PM MDT reply actions
No! Nobody we need with the 3rd pick!
We need more picks…not fewer with higher $$$ attached! Don’t care for it. Rather have 2 1st rounders. I’m not that sold on Berry, and I don’t think we could get Bradford. Suh/McCoy are 4-3 DTs. Unless you want Okung as a OT- rightside, what are we gonna do?
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Now I know you wouldn't be disappointed if we got Berry Suh or McCoy...
And btw…Suh and McCoy would fit just fine in our DE/DG position IMO.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Suh
Suh projects in either the 4-3 and 3-4. I’d certainly take the deal ‘as is’ if we were assured Suh. The problem is that he’ll probably go at #1, although McCoy, et al, make really nice consolation prizes.
I think we’d take this deal if it is offered.
no goats, no glory.
I'm feeling the Rams are in a pinch to take Bradford.
If they don’t then they better danged sure find one later that’s going to step in. I really don’t thing Bulger is the answer.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 11:30 PM MDT up reply actions
they've drafted DLs recently and failed
It’s like Matt Millen drafting WRs. I don’t know whether they will take Suh (he’s the #1 player – IMO) but it’s hard to withstand the criticism for past mistakes. There will be a lot of pressure on SL to take Bradford, and I can’t say the fans clamoring for that pick are wrong.
I think the consolation prize for the #3 pick is McCoy, which is a pretty dang good consolation prize, especially for a team looking for DT type who can pass rush. He’s a 3-tech. but I think we could stick him at R-DE and do very well. And I have no problem with Berry, so it’s a win-win situation for whoever picks there.
no goats, no glory.
just saying,
I think this means we’re in a suh or bust mindset at #3.
However, we will definitely be able to move the #3 pick for more than we’d have gotten for #11 (plus we should already have the 3rd pick in the second round as well).
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 1:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Count me in
but no QB with #3 please!
Broncos been Berry good to me! (I think I’ll keep my day job)
The QB position is set.
Also can I just say:
Has any one (and a half) week in Broncos offseason history been so interesting?
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 8:29 PM MDT reply actions
seems much more likely than trading up to get Berry. We won’t pay a safety #3 money.
Getting the #3 to trade back to #6 or #7 to get berry seems much more reasonable
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 8:39 PM MDT up reply actions
or
we could trade next year’s first to bolster secondary,…hold on wait…. been there done that,
agree though, i don’t know berry at all but would love to see a stout d line man if this deal went down (and a 2nd rounder)
Sssssssssuhper Man.
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looking more and more like Lions will go OT
if denver were at three they would have their pick of Berry or Suh with the Bucs 2nd rounder we could get D. Thomas WR GT.
Trade the 3rd Overall?
What if we trade that 3rd overall to someone for another first round pick and a second round pick…
wouldn’t be surprised at all if that is what we did if this trade did indeed go down
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions
That would mean who ever wanted Jimmy could jump the redskins to get him and we would gain 2 second round picks from marshall including a 3rd pick of the second round
i think we would be pretty happy for all of that in exchange for B marsh
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions
suh
is the real deal, if we get a chance to take him we should jump at it, he’s the only guy in discussion I saw play a lot last year besides bradford, who I wouldn’t want us to take-not that high-if we could get suh we’d have to take him
No freaking way this is legit
It makes absolutely no sense. It simply does not pass the “smell test”.
If they want to sign Marshall then they can make an offer and then we have the 3rd pick anyways. Why would we give Marshall AND our first round pick? We wouldn’t.
In addition why would we trade that far for Eric Berry (don’t get me wrong he is a solid player) but Suh or McCoy would better address our needs.
moving up from #11 to #3 is worth the #17 overall pick…if we get their 2nd rounder, for example, then we would get the equivalent of #7…it’s absolutely reasonable
but you are definitely right about it being wrong to assume that we would be trading up to get Berry
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 9:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Who cares about needs when you get a special player like Berry
Such a huge upgrade over Hill who I am not a fan of. We have filled some, maybe not all of the needs on the D-Line but Berry would really help alot towards becoming a dominate D. We can draft D-line later in the draft. You can get a player like Berry later in the draft.
It's fun (if useless) to speculate, though.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Actually, Dan Williams fits our system better than Suh/McCoy....fact!
But you can grab Cam Thomas, Tourell Troupe, Lindville Joseph in the 2nd, 3rd, 4th rnd’s. Good upside, good potential, great size at a much more economical value!
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In what way?
Dan Williams was not good in college until the Vols moved to a Tampa two.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 15, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Even if these post are false, if they drive up Brandons value....bring it on!
I’m still favorable in bringing him back! We’re actually in a win win! Id love to see a Marshall, Demaryus Thomas, Eddie Royal triad!!!!
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Personally, I'd like to keep Marshall around
But if we also got their second, I’d be fine with this. Not that safety is our biggest need, but think of Dawkins and Berry back there together! That would be beastly.
If this happens (Which I really doubt)
The Front office should be canned… If the Bucs want Marshall it’ll be for the No. 3 pick straight up.
No...Michael Lombardi has made it clear that he thinks that no trade will occur
this doesn’t mean we wouldn’t want to trade. If we got enough value, why wouldn’t we trade?
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 9:28 PM MDT up reply actions
agree
if the value is there mc’d has shown he’ll pull the trigger, i like b marsh and i think mc’d does too, but for a of reasons i think he’s open to making a deal
Yes they did.
The report was very direct: “I do know this: The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season”.
That’s not opinion.
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by kybroncomaniac on Mar 16, 2010 2:08 AM MDT up reply actions
You have to reasonable when they say that though,
and for instance, if a team calls McD and say they are willing to trade the farm for him,much like the Cutler deal, your telling me McD won’t intertain it? I believe he would in a heart and getting Tampa Bay’s # 3 isn’t as glamorous as some folks think…Your getting a riskier pick for sure, your paying him twice the amount that you would for the #11 (almost anyway) when this draft is loaded and there is no guarantee the player you want will be there at 3. That meaning Suh or McCoy, because the Rams and Lions can tell you one thing and at the last moment change their minds…Unless these teams are playing hard poker then it isn’t really necessary to keep secrets from the top 2 or 3 in the draft unless of course they haven’t made up their minds, but I think the Rams know exactly who they are going to pick already…
I firmly believe..
That the Spirit of the statement was very much about standards. When it comes to Brandon Marshall, Denver will not entertain anything outside of a first round draft pick. For instance, it seems Seattle was convinced that Marshall could be had for a cheaper price than the 1st round tender (like randy Moss, I think acquired for a fourth). Denver made it clear, that they are NOT trying to dump Marshall to the highest bidder, unless the bidding starts at a first round pick. If the highest we get is a second round offer (for trade), Denver will not even entertain the call.
If someone offers the “farm”, then I assume you mean something equating to or worth more than a first round pick. In which case entertaining that call is in compliance with the spirit of the statement.
Strength and honor
"It's easy to have faith in yourself and have discipline when you're a winner, when you're number one. What you've got to have is faith and discipline when you're not yet a winner." -Vince lombarti
by kybroncomaniac on Mar 16, 2010 10:35 AM MDT up reply actions
The Seahawks
don’t want to give up the 6th. They are trying to give us a different pick. So the Bucs don’t want to just give us the 3rd for Marshall. Instead we package a deal in which we give them Marshall and our 1st for the # 3 and their 2nd rounders and whatever else might be thrown in. No team in the top 10 picks is just going to say “hey here is our top 10 pick, we will take the biggest headache of last year”
Fingers Crossed
I really hope this works out. I hope there is truth to it and I hope Seattle finds out about it. The more that find out the better. Drive up the price. Give marshall away for a plethora of picks and players.
interestingly enough, moving up from #11 to #3 and getting TB’s first 2nd rounder (#36) has the same value as #7…
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Dang it Sayre!
This is the kind of stuff I get excited about! Screw Eric Berry, if we get the 3rd overall pick, I’m talking SUH!!!!!
Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.
Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.
The Suhspense is killing me!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
This is within the realm of possibility!
I can see TB giving us #3 in the first and #42 in the second for our #11 and Marshall. Its a win-win. Denver could be tipping them that a straight-up offer will be matched, and that they need to execute a trade instead. Denver avoids a #3 and #11 salary burden (did anyone catch the second highest paid bronco this year is Knowshon? High picks are paid RIDICULOUS money) and nets a rare top-3 and an extra #2.
Then we pick #3, #42, #45. Excellent spots! I can see either top DT or Berry (if Berry pans out then we have all kinds of talent and depth in the secondary moving forward) and with the 2’s maybe a Ducasse/Tennant combo to shore up the OL. That would be impactful. Then try to move up and select a Gerhardt or an OT (I really think we need another talented T on the roster) in laste 2nd/high 3rd. We’d be looking pretty good!
Tyson Jackson 3rd overall last year got paid son!
5 years 57 million 31 Guarateed wow. Does Denver really have room for that contract?
i think we would be able to trade out of #3 and not pay so much…at least three of Suh, McCoy, Berry, Bradford, Clausen, Okung will be there
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
I proposed this trade a few weeks ago
And I still stand by it, hey if the Seahawks aren’t delighted to give up the six overall pick the Bucaneers.
I think it the 11th overall and Marshall for the third overall is a steal. Face it I think it’s a pipe dream to think that a team in the top 10 is going to be willing to give up their pick staright across without something else thrown in. Also we won’t pay two firts round picks, and if another team will give us additional picks for the third overall that would be great, however I think denver would just go ahead and draft with that pick.
I disagree
I think the trade would be a steal IF we get back additional picks. If it’s BMarsh and our 1st for the 3rd overall then I don’t think it’s a good deal
yes
since we have to take into account the salary these guys would receive, at #3 we’re doing them a favor taking that pay off their hands and they get marshall. They would need to throw us a bone with a 2nd rounder to make it up, don’t you think?
that's actually the way i first analyzed this deal.
second rounders seem to have the best contract value/talent ratio. #3 is ABSURDLY EXPENSIVE but you might get a great talent that is a perfect fit for your team (suh), or pay one of the biggest salaries in the league for a pretty good talent, or an extroardinary talent at a position at which you’re already strong or isn’t an exact fit for your system (most of our other options here fall into these catagories), and it’s worth more in a trade down scenario (the best option for us if suh isn’t available).
There’re getting a proven elite talent that they’ll have to pay accordingly, but giving us a #3 salary back. they better be giving us a high second rounder to add enough cost efficiency to balance the likely inefficiency of the #3.
this is a better value than taking a just late 1st for marshall for sure.
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 2:08 AM MDT up reply actions
And regarding Dan Williams...
Of course he fits our system! He’s done very well in post season collegiate games and the combines! He’s very physical and he has good instincts for a 330lb’er! Suh and McCoy don’t fit our system AT all! I listed several other BIGs as well in later rounds. I’d rather have Williams than McClain/Bryant for sure. In fact, I’m not sure that Earl Thomas might not be a better value overall depending on where he’s taken.
Bottomline: the deal we’re discussing between Bucs/Broncos is not good for us. I’d rather keep Marshall. At least we know he’ll be a probowler and catch over 100 balls from one of our QBs?
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McCoy could play 5 technique for us… its hard to compare D. Williams to McCoy/Suh for us because they would play different positions in our scheme
by black_knight101 on Mar 15, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
You very wrong Hogblog
Both Suh and McCoy would be monster DE/DG’s. Our defensive line would be tops for a long time IMO. Don’t take my word for it though, I’m sure the teach will give his opinion shortly…
by bfree2bronc on Mar 15, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Swap of picks is interesting
If that is the case, I see McX placing their wish list to be:
Bradford
Suh
Berry
McCoy
I see Tampa giving up either #42 or #67 to us in addition to the swap. No way we get their #35 pick.
Broncos draft (4 rds):
- - DE N Suh or S/CB E Berry
- - ILB Brandon Spikes or WR Demaryius Thomas
- - C JD Walton
- - OG John Jerry or OG Jon Asamoah
- - WR Jacoby Ford or ILB Pat Angerer
I like all of this. I hope we get the #3 pick. However, getting both their #2’s (35 &42) would be great too.
- - ILB Rolando McClain
- - NT Terence Cody
- - WR Demaryius Thomas or WR Carlton Mitchell
- - C JD Walton
- - OG Jon Asamoah or OG John Jerry
- - DE Arthur Jones or DE Mike Neal
It’s a no-lose for us. I like it.
by Orange and Blue on Mar 15, 2010 10:39 PM MDT reply actions
Wow, this would be awesome
and while I think Berry is a stud, the only two players I’d want would be Suh or McCoy. I don’t care about that huge contract everybody is talking about. If you want the best players in the league, you’ve got to pay.
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I 100% agree
except we don’t know that McCoy or Sue will be one of the best in the league. We all think they will be but we don’t full know. Just some food for thought.
what if
the top two picks are thinking mccoy and suh also? would you stil like this deal? this berry guy must be a great safey for this to make sense. If it’s a stud dlineman then i can see paying the big money and giving up marshall. For a safety though, is he really that good?
If McCoy and Suh
are both gone then we look at Berry and Bradford IMO. We trade back if we a good enough deal because Cleveland is looking for a QB and if they jump in front of Washington they can nab Bradford instead of Clausen. They would likely give us plenty of picks in return.
Berry should be that good
A lot of people have been saying he’s the second coming of Ed Reed.
by Broncoman27 on Mar 16, 2010 12:34 PM MDT up reply actions
You dont say!!!
This sounds pretty ingenious to me!! Trade BM and #11 for #3 and #35 OR #42 – this sounds like a winner.
You thereafter – Trade #3 and #185 for – let’s say, #20 and #81.
Leaving us with #’s 20, 35, 45, 80, 81, 115, 225
yeah!
pouncey, weatherspoon, ducasse, carrington, spivey
dkn who at 115 (my pick was skelton, but probably not with the quinn trade done) dkn about 225 – I dkn enough 7th round players that well.
how’s that?
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 3:17 AM MDT up reply actions
alex carrington is a great 3-4 DE prospect out of Arkansas state
he is projected in the 3rd or 4th round
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
If you are gonna pay a big contract
why not just sign Marshall to a long term deal. This trade would piss me off. If we had two good 1st rd picks after the trade i’d be ok with that. Atleast then we would be getting two likely starters for one.
I just read down all the comments
let me get this straight. I might be confused so if somebody can straighted me out (without crucifing me) remember I’m still in the learning mode. Here’s what I took from the article.
We get the Buc’s 1st round pick #3 for Marshall and our 1st round #11. Even if they throw in a 2nd round pick it ends up being:
We trade Marshall for the #3 pick and our #11 pick for the Buc’s 2nd round pick. That is pretty much how I see it. Doesn’t seem to be like we are getting any value out of that deal.
Not in the short term...
but consider that there will be some team that “needs” to trade up to get their guy (Clausen, Suh, whomever). Then your pick has a ton of value. Besides, if no one offers to trade up with you, then take a guy like Suh, Berry, etc. Believe me, having Ndamakong Suh is not a bad consolation prize. I believe he’ll be around at 3 as well, so no worries.
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Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.
Thanks
I’m still trying to learn about a lot of this stuff.
I'm with you there papasteven
Marshall for the #3 makes sense, but to trade our #11 for a second pick and nothing else seems like a steal for Tampa. I wouldn’t do it, it just doesn’t make sense to me.
If Marshall gets an offer and we don’t match it we get the #3 and keep our spot at #11. I’d be okay with that.
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I would agree
but I would hate to see him go!
Strength and honor
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by kybroncomaniac on Mar 16, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
that is for certain, I'd rather have Marshall in the fold
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Suh/McCoy are NOT automatically 5 techniques that fit 3-4.
I don’t know where you asume because they’re DTs they would automatically transition into DE or DG(term some in here like to use). These guys will go to 4-3 teams. We’re not! We’re a 3-4, 5-2, 7-0…. We need BIGs, not just DTs. I however will give you Jared Odrick… He’s got the skills to play the DE as both run and pass. Dan Williams IS the best 3-4 NT in this draft with Cam Thomas is # 2! And that’s a fact….
Earl Thomas has better value than Berry because Berry will go between 12-20. Berry in hw top 5-8. His cost won’t justify the small differences in talent….
Yep, I said it! I stand by it! I’m an SEC fanatic and I know the players in he SEC like Boydy does the PAC 10 and USC. The fact I like Earl thomas as much as Berry should tell ya something? Also, I’d take Micah Johnson over Rolando McClain or Brandon Spikes! Even Jamar Cheney may be a better value as a future ILB!
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why couldn't they transition to DE?
They are the right size for a 3-4 DE. So is Odrick. There is no reason why they couldn’t be 5 techniques.
McBean and Bannan were both DT in college, now they are our ends.
by black_knight101 on Mar 16, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
suh definitely has the seize, strength and speed to make that transition
he also is a very hard worker, a coaches dream and a leader on the field. he is incredibly stout against the run (good for a 3-4 end) and can also put pressure on QB’s (a rare skill posessed only the most elite 3-4 DE’s).
suh is an extraordinary talent and is definitely capable of playing DE in a 3-4.
by bailey disciple on Mar 16, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Sayre
Hello there Sayre! Nice reporting. I’d welcome the move if we were to be guaranteed Suh as many before me have suggested. Berry will be a player no two ways about it, and McCoy would look good in orange and blue too, but has anyone thought about the possibility of us making this trade, only to make another trade from it. Get the #3 pick and the Bucs 2nd rounder (and possibly a 4th rounder) in exchange for our #11 and BMarsh, then trade back with someone like the Seahawks for their #6 pick (lets them target Clausen or Bradford) and still pick up a Berry or a Haden, and pocket another 2nd or 3rd rounder. We’d need McD to get a bag we’d be stockpiling so much…what do you think??
Good insights on Alex Carrington as DE...
Finally we agree on something BD….:) I was becoming concerned….lol
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
interesting update on this from a Tampa radio blog:
http://www.620wdae.com/pages/Draft2010.html
“Update: Spoke with the writer of the article via e-mail. He is very confident in his source. He’s unsure of the particulars, but feels strongly that the Bucs are sniffing around Marshall.”
also, he thinks they can get the Broncos 3rd rounder in addition to the move up. why does everyone keep understating Brandon’s value?
by black_knight101 on Mar 16, 2010 8:47 PM MDT reply actions
Are they nuts???
Why on earth would Denver give up Marshall, #11 and a 3rd for the #3??? that’s ridiculous. The trade would be more along the lines of Marshall # 11 for the 3rd and a 2nd. That would be a better deal.
yeah…even dumber than the #40 that hawks fans keep thinking they can trade for him
by black_knight101 on Mar 16, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't understand
how people can be so stupid with their trades. Brandon is a top 5 wide receiver and you expect to get him for a 2nd round pick?!?!?!
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