Horse Tracks - 3/16/10 - Broncos get back to work
by John Bena on Mar 16, 2010 6:09 AM MDT
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Good Morning Broncos Country! The Broncos officially got back to work yesterday - in a completely unofficial capacity - as the 'voluntary' conditioning program began. We all know the names of the players who were missing - Kyle Orton(he'll be there Friday), Elvis Dumervil, Tony Scheffler, Brandon Marshall - and one surprise name - Marcus Thomas. We've talked at length about the competitive atmosphere that Josh McDaniels is trying to create. You can learn a lot about a player when they are asked to compete, when they are presented with adversity. Marcus Thomas, at least for now, is heading in the wrong direction. Sure, Thomas is likely to be upset that the Broncos signed 3 new defensive linemen. I think that is a natural reaction. At some point, however, it's time for fight or flight. Thomas, in my opinion, is not in a position to stay away from the team. He should be there, proving the coaches wrong for trying to replace him. He should be fighting for playing time, fighting for a spot on the roster. Staying away won't do that. Listen, I know this is 'voluntary'. I know March 15th is ridiculously early to start. But I also know that the seeds to a championship - and the team chemistry that helps it along - are started in these early days of voluntary workouts. The choice is yours, Marcus, fight or flight.
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Working for a Fresh Start - DB.com
Brady Quinn arrived at Dove Valley on Monday ready to work.
VIDEO - Off-Season Workouts - Champ Bailey
Champ Bailey discusses roster changes and the first day of offseason workouts.
VIDEO - Offseason Workouts - Nate Jones
Nate Jones meets with the Denver press following the first day of workouts.
VIDEO - Offseason Workouts - Justin Bannan
Justin Bannan talks about his first day with the Broncos and how excited he is to be back in the place where he played his college football.
Simms Released; Three QBs Remain on Roster
In the wake of Sunday's acquisition of quarterback Brady Quinn, the Broncos have released Chris Simms.
Quinn: Broncos "a very talented team" - The Denver Post
"It's a very talented team. It's a great city. It's got great tradition," Quinn said of the Broncos during a conference call with the Denver Media today. "There's a lot to look forward to."
Notre Dame is X-factor in Quinn trade - The Denver Post
Because when it comes to Golden Domers, there is no middle ground. You either love the Fighting Irish or you love to hate them. Just like Duke basketball and Coach K.
Stars absent from Broncos workouts - The Denver Post
"I noticed not as many guys are here as normal. I guess with a lot of guys being restricted, and new guys coming in, not everyone's going to be here," Bailey said. "That's just another thing we have to deal with."
Broncos' Quinn, McDaniels have common thread in Weis - The Denver Post
There has been a long, linear connection between Broncos coach Josh McDaniels and his new quarterback, Brady Quinn. Between these connected dots was Charlie Weis, a big guy who nevertheless didn't get in the way.
Kiszla: Broncos' intent is to win with Quinn - The Denver Post
When the Broncos make their next Super Bowl appearance, the starting quarterback will be Brady Quinn.
Broncos' Champ Bailey adapts to new teammates - The Denver Post
As the Broncos' elder statesman — or at least the player who has been here the longest — Champ Bailey has seen plenty of players come and go at Dove Valley.
Broncos introduce defensive newcomers | coloradoan.com
The Denver Broncos introduced defensive lineman Justin Bannan and cornerback Nate Jones today, the first day of voluntary offseason conditioning for the team.
Simms’ comeback story reaches end | All Things Broncos
As we say goodbye to Chris Simms, let us remember not only his two abbreviated performances for the Broncos in 2009 but that he almost pulled off one of the NFL’s all-time best comebacks.
DT Marcus Thomas future with the Broncos uncertain - KWGN
Marcus Thomas has elected to remain in Florida, for now, to begin training for the upcoming season.
Trading Hillis was easy call for McDaniels - The Longmont Times-Call
Fan favorite Peyton Hillis — who never really stood a chance with head coach Josh McDaniels — was shipped to Cleveland in exchange for quarterback Brady Quinn, who, just three years ago, was a first-round draft pick.
Do NFL offseason programs have value? | National Football Post
Every year at this time, we begin to look at the process and value of NFL offseason programs. Players who don’t show up on time, such as Monday’s first causality, Raiders QB JaMarcus Russell, are thrown under the bus for what’s supposed to be a "voluntary activity" inside team facilities.
Packers' Havner involved in motorcycle crash | National Football Post
Green Bay Packers tight end Spencer Havner was involved in a motorcycle accident in California early Saturday morning, according to Liz Keller of TheUnion.com.
Antonio Robinson runs in the low 4.4s at Southern workout | National Football Post
A year ago, the Baltimore Ravens found a starting cornerback and kick returner at Nicholls State when they drafted Lardarius Webb in the third round.
Source: Zac Robinson to work out for Patriots | National Football Post
The New England Patriots have scheduled a private workout for Oklahoma State quarterback Zac Robinson, according to a league source.
Adalius Thomas denies wanting to play for the Jets | National Football Post
It's no secret in NFL circles that New England Patriots outside linebacker Adalius Thomas has had a rocky relationship with coach Bill Belichick.
Jets owner angry about coin toss result, process | National Football Post
New York Jets team owner Woody Johnson isn't taking this coin toss loss lying down.
Browns interested in drafting a quarterback | National Football Post
Holding the seventh overall pick of the first round, Cleveland Browns team president Mike Holmgren indicated that he's not done overhauling the quarterback position even after adding Jake Delhomme and Seneca Wallace, trading Brady Quinn and cutting Derek Anderson.
Source: Broncos working out Tennant | National Football Post
The Denver Broncos are scheduled to conduct a private workout Tuesday with Boston College center Matt Tennant, according to a league source.
Titans sign Ricky Schmitt | National Football Post
The Tennessee Titans have signed unrestricted free agent punter and kicker Ricky Schmitt.
Packers officially announce Tauscher's return | National Football Post
The Green Bay Packers made it official this afternoon as they officially announced the re-signing of veteran right tackle Mark Tauscher to a two-year contract.
Delhomme’s shrewd move | National Football Post
A final word about the Jake Delhomme contract with the Panthers and (lack of) offset, as there have been many questions and erroneous reports about the lasting value of his this contract (the gift that keeps on giving)
Behind the times: the 10-yard split | National Football Post
One of the biggest misconceptions that emerges from the NFL Combine each year is the importance of 40-yard dash times. The 40 is the considered the glamour event of the combine, and every year NFL executives, scouts, draftniks and fans (including me) get carried away by some of the mind-boggling times. This often puts too much value on a player’s straight-line speed, more so than on his pure football talent.
Favre reportedly tried to recruit L.T. to play for Vikes - NFL.com
As speculation continues about Brett Favre’s decision to return for a 20th NFL season or retire, Newsday believes the quarterback has given a hint to his intentions.
Browns see Delhomme as veteran leader on young team
Mike Holmgren knows Jake Delhomme is 35 years old and coming off the worst season of his career.
Giants, Jets will host home games on opening weekend of 2010
Both the Giants and Jets wanted to open next season in the new Meadowlands Stadium. Both will. The NFL said Monday the Giants will play on Sunday afternoon, Sept. 12, and the Jets will host a Monday night game the next day.
Raiders' Gradkowski signs tender as Russell due to join team
Quarterback Bruce Gradkowski and Pro Bowl long snapper Jon Condo signed their restricted free agent tenders and reported to the Oakland Raiders for the start of voluntary offseason workouts Monday.
Spiller sprinting up board to Seattle in latest mock draft
11. Denver Broncos Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama The Broncos have revamped their defensive line in free agency with Jarvis Green, Jamal Williams and Justin Bannan. Now it's time to plug in the big inside linebacker next to D.J. Williams. McClain made 40 plays behind the line of scrimmage last season and had five interceptions after posting a sub-4.7 at Alabama's pro day. McClain revealed that he has Crohn's disease, which is manageable.
Holmgren puts credibility on the line with quick Browns makeover
Mike Holmgren got the proverbial keys to the castle when Cleveland Browns owner Randy Lerner named him team president in January.
Georgia Tech's pro day an invaluable experience for NFL evaluators
Around draft time, the key buzzword we tend to hear throughout the NFL is "value." Well, if it's value everyone is looking for, they could've found it at Georgia Tech's pro day on Monday.
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good morning!
thanks for the work and the info… I never need look elsewhere!
BTW can we get some help on our brackets?
lol
Not having Marcus Thomas at voluntary workouts in March is like not having a basketball for a fishing trip.
What’s next Jarvis Moss not showing up?
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Mar 16, 2010 7:30 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Moss has to be there – someone’s got to help Chris Baker carry his lunch.
Maybe we could ship Moss and Thomas to Cleveland – like the Browncos in reverse.
He's done it sounds like! Damn! I still had hope for him...
wonder who else isn’t attending?
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 16, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the Links, John
After reading Kizla’s column, I am now imagining what happened after he turned it in:
Scene: Denver Post cafeteria
A secretary runs in screaming “Is there an editor in the house?”
Three men with green visors stand up and chorus “What’s wrong?”
Secretary: “Kizla’s column needs editing.”
The three men whip off their visors and hide under the tables.
Secretary: “Oh, is there no one who can take Kizla’s disconnected ramblings and turn it into a coherent column?”
An old man in blue coveralls shuffles forward. “I’ll give it a try, ma’am.”
Secretary: “Thank goodness. But, are you an editor? I don’t see your green visor.”
Old Man: “Nope, I’m just the janitor. I know I’ve only a third grade education, but I am used to dealing with trash.”
Secretary: “Okay, you’ll do.”
Exuent stage left.
I didn't know Woody was a janitior
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
hahahaha, I was thinking the exact same thing.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
lol good one!
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
That column just made me laugh....
I know a lot of ya’ll don’t live in Colorado (too bad for you) so you probably don’t read the DP columnists other stuff (or maybe you do, I don’t know) but typically, except for Woody who is a rambling senile old man, when they aren’t writing about the Broncos they write some decent stuff. I wouldn’t say it’s GOOD necessarily but it’s read able. Kizla’s writing about the Olympics and Krieger’s D.W. trial coverage are a couple examples.
You just have to take broncos stuff at the DP for what its worth. It is by far the most visited section of their website so they need to do what the can to drum up stories and controversies to keep people reading. It is what it is. Just don’t read the comments…..
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Kiszla is an EXCELLENT writer qua writer
but we almost NEVER see eye to eye on the Broncos… I dislike him more than all the other writers combined… In a lot of ways they seem harmless, but Kiszla can do some serious damage with his talent.
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2010 3:17 PM MDT up reply actions
So... when are we going to find out what numbers the new players will wear?
Yes, I’m going to do this every day. lol live with it.
Hey kiddies.... I have Internet candy in my van...
Quinn
apparently doesn’t want to wear #15. Now that’s respect.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
What am I missing about the #15?
That came up in his interview as well…
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2010 3:18 PM MDT up reply actions
A reporter asked
if Quinn would like to wear #15, since #10 is already taken. Quinn handled it professionally in the telecon by saying that that number was already taken.
I believe reporters are trying to bait anyone in the Broncos organization into taking a position as to whether they believe Marshall will be a Bronco in 2010. Thus far, no Bronco has taken the bait with the media – as they shouldn’t.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
lol
so obvious I missed it…. Thanks.
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Morning John
and everyone at MHR.
Browns have paid a very high price to get one of the best at throwing INTs. To bad Cutler wasn’t available, they really would have shelled out the big bucks.
Thanks for the news John!
Matt Bowen said it best about the OTA’s,
And lets not forget that they’re part of the job for these players — no matter how much they bitch at this time of year.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Thanks John
The more I look at the Quinn trade, the more I feel they swapped Hillis and a bag of beans next year for an upgrade on Chris Simms. Since Chris Simms cost us a game in 2009, this is excellent.
As for Brandstater, Schefter’s Tweeter on the Internets prompted requests for clarification. And he clarified, sort of:
RT @steveely42 Hope you expand on the Brandstater point … Have just heard enough to think he has a chance — a real chance — to make it.
I put more faith in Schefter’s drunken hunches than in a peer-reviewed article by Woody. I’m not saying it’s time to clear way for Tom B., but this to me looks like something more than strung-together guesswork. Schefter heard something legitimate.
Yeah, but this will not be enough to sway the doubt in some (most?) Fans minds...
But McDaniels knows, that’s for sure…TB will get every opportunity this off-season to showcase how far he has come…Don’t be surprised if Quinn has to settle for the 3rd spot!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 16, 2010 8:59 AM MDT up reply actions
It's coming from Schefter though
not from McD while he has 15 microphones shoved in his face. If there’s merit to this, I won’t be surprised if TB starts by week 5.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Well, as you know McGeorge...
I’m certainly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, so you’re probably right!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 16, 2010 12:29 PM MDT up reply actions
I think you're making too much of this.
All three have a real chance to make it. It comes down to whoever beats out the other two, doesn’t it?
Peer reviewed?
I put more faith in Schefter’s drunken hunches than in a peer-reviewed article by Woody.
In Woody’s place, I think that’s more beer-reviewed articles…..
It all starts with the lines
I'm not aware of any peer-reviewed sports journals...
Proceedings of the American Sportswriters Association?
Peyton Hillis… never really stood a chance with head coach Josh McDaniels…
I think it would be more fair to say that Hillis failed to take advantage of the few opportunities McDaniels gave him.
But then it wouldn't be as convinent
to blast Josh, if they admited the problem is with the player.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Thanks, John.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
"Brandon Marshall isn't as good as you think he is." - a random hobo I met
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 16, 2010 9:53 AM MDT reply actions
Thanks John for HorseTracks..
having a 2 1/2 month vacation is plenty of time to get your affairs in order and if Thomas want’s to act like this then let him go, I’m sure Everette pedescleaux or carlton Powell won’t mind his absence. Get a life Thomas or get out!
Finally
unless I missed one along the way in recent months, finally a mock that has us selecting McClain at #11.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Seems like the only logical selection at the moment doesn't it?
I believe along with John that his disease won’t hamper him too much if he takes care of himself. Now that Davis has been released the opening is the spot for the pick even though we need a G/C in which we could get in the 2-5th rds IMO…
by bfree2bronc on Mar 16, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
What could change this
is if Marshall is traded to the Jets for David Harris. If that happens, I don’t see the Broncos selecting anyone, unless they fear another team selecting a player they really want and don’t mind reaching for.
An economical solution in that case would be to trade down and convert that high pick into 2 later picks.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Ugh
I hate the fact that we now have a QB controversy. I guess we got an upgrade over Simms for cheap, but I really do not want to hear people calling for KO to come out every five minutes, which they will now. I was plenty happy with TB as our second-stringer and drafting another late-rounder, and letting KO have a true shot in 2010 to be the guy without constant Quinn whispers. I really want to know what McD is thinking with this…does he think Quinn has a legitimate chance at winning the starting job?
He's promoting competition
I don’t know why, but at some point, doing the right thing has become “the wrong thing” to do in the MSM. And this goes beyond football, if you ask me.
I think Kyle will push Brady, since the system is fresh in his mind and is looking to switch to a higher gear in 2010. Brady’s going to have to re-familiarize himself with this system that he hasn’t played in 3 years, so Kyle has the clear advantage at first. I believe that by the time the regular season starts, Brady will begin to get it and push Kyle to keep improving. All of this is not a bad thing, as it will only make our QBs better.
You could be worried for no reason. If TB becomes the starting QB, then all of these concerns will become a moot point.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
<3 Champ
Thanks for the links, as always…
Gotta love Champ, every interview I see with him is 100% class. I loved the quote regarding how early offseason workouts start – “man, its way too early, but they’re paying me a lot of money to be here so i’m going to be here”
He is a straight shooter
which you gotta love.
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 16, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks John
I couldn’t agree with you more on Marcus. I’ve always had high hopes for him, but…hey Marcus, go look at some game film of what the D-line has done to close the last 2 or 3 seasons. Are you REALLY in a position to be offended that they are bringing in new blood to fight for spots on the line? Oh, and while I asked that question, J. Charles just broke off ANOTHER 35 yard run….
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
didn't thomas get released?
swore i seen that somewhere-espn, i think. not true?
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign doom now
there was a rumor that he had been released but it was wrong
so who knows what is going on
by black_knight101 on Mar 16, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
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