Film Study: Brady Quinn and the Draft
by RockyMountainThunder on Mar 16, 2010 11:57 AM MDT
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I've spent some time the past couple of months looking at our draft prospects and film and getting as many different opinions about them. Then after we got Brady Quinn I decided to take a look at him on film as well. Here is what I saw from my vantage point. Now please, this is just my opinion and certainly there are players that on film looked really good to me but just didn't pan out,
Brady Quinn: First I heard of the trade I was kind of meh! And lamenting the fact we had to give up Peyton Hillis. However, the more I look at Brady Quinn on film the more I like what I see. And I know most of you are thinking that I must be confused and looking at the wrong Brady (Tom) but seriously he did somethings I value highly in a quarterback. Here's what Quinn did well in my opinion
1. Athleticism-He's not just a chiseled body. He has good mobility and can scramble for a first down if need be. He can move a around a bit and make a play if need be. His athletic ability could seperate him from Kyle Orton.
2. Throw the ball in tight windows-Now he did this way more in college and I think in Cleveland he was terrified to make a mistake which I will grant is not a good sign. However, in college he really made some great throws done the middle of the field, and was spot on it tight coverage at times.
In Cleveland he did have a stretch of 150 pass attempts without an INT. Now part of this may go back to being afraid to make a mistake but it also could speak to his accuracy and decision making.
3. Moxie-There were a number of times where Quinn could have packed it in but here's a guy I thought even when it seemed hopeless kept trying to lead his team to victory.
There are some things he didn't do so well, and I think he needs to develop more of a feel for the pocket when it starts to break down. Too often he would just start to back pedal. A QB needs to step up into the pocket and put himself in the heat of fire. I also have heard it been side he doesn't throw deep very well. I saw some nice throws to down field targets but some of his passes did lack zip and hung in the air more than I would have liked. As good as Joe Thomas is a as a LT, I could see that Quinn constantly got pressured on the right side of the line. I am sure he is happy to see old friend Ryan Harris there.
DRAFT PROSPECTS
SAFETIES-I lot of people recently have been touting the possibility of somehow getting Eric Berry or even Earl Thomas. While I think both are first round prospects I wouldn't draft either of them for the Broncos. Why, because when I look at Earl Thomas, I really just see Darcel McBath. Both are great athletes who can track the ball and actually have the ability to come up and play corner. It's amazing McBath didn't come off the board higher because he and Earl Thomas are really similar which I think is exciting for the Broncos.
ROLANDO MCCLAIN- I think this is our pick at 11 and I am happy. More than any measurables this guy is three things I value highly. Smart, Leader, and Winner. Draft him and we have our defensive captain for the next 10 years.
NOSE TACKLES- Suh and McCoy are great DT but they are not true NT. Their games are about penetration. I do think Suh could play DE and design the 3-4 around his talents. Dan Williams seems to be a favorite around here but on film I don't see it. He has the size but then I watched him get pushed around by inferior offensive lineman. He doesn't seem to anchor like a NT should. I know I'm in the minority on this one but to me Dan Williams is not a first rounder. Terrance Cody, if he continues to lose weight though, is a NT who can anchor. Sure he only plays 2 downs but what a 2 downs it's going to be. The Broncos substitute often anyways. Plus, think of the lessons he could learn from J-Wall. I also like Cam Thomas as a NT and really like Lamarr Houston but to play the 5 technique. Some guys it doesn't matter what position they play they are just football players. Lamarr Houston is a football player.
O-LINE-Again, a lot of MHR seems to like Markice Pouncey and MIke Iupati, and I absolutely agree. Both are great talents, however, I think either one of them would need a bit of time before they could be all-pro starters. One thing about Pouncey is he sometimes ends up on the ground way too much. I love Iupati's size but also his quickness. What a great pulling guard to have on the team, also he'd be perfect because of all the screens we like to run. Now in pass protection he still sometimes gets beat by quick penetration but in time I would expect him to be an all-pro. I also think JD Walton and Matt Tennant are also excellent options at center. As for another guard I like what John Jerry out of Mississippi. He is big but is showing he can move well with it and is just awesome in the run game. Pass protection will be a work in progress.
BRONCOS MOCK DRAFT Version 4,283.729
Round 1-Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
Round 2-John Jerry, G, Mississippi
Round 3-J.D. Walton, C, Baylor
Round 4-Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas-Will make a play, goes up and gets the ball
Round 6- Daniel Te'o Nesheim, DE/OLB Washington-Don't think he'd last past round 5 but you never know.
Round 7-Corey Peters, DT/DE, Kentucky-High Character, good size
Free Agents-Traves Ivey, NT, Maryland/ Ben Burney, CB, Colorado/ Manase Tonga, FB, Brigham Young/James Ruffin, DE/OLB, Northern Iowa
Theme of this years draft: BEEF, IT'S WHAT"S FOR DINNER
IN MY OPINION!
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Good Draft
I like it. Seems realistic.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
with Rolando
in the first Spikes seems like over kill with other needs. Much more per the Oline picks if we get Rol @11
and lot was said about the kid from Idaho at guard, but I just remember on several passing plays him being called for holding @ the senior bowl month or so back. He hasn’t seen big men with speed yet, and think he’ll take longer to develop then many others seems to think
Bronco Learning Curve
"I don’t want to lose any time... I don’t want the team thinking I’m a money-first guy. I’m here to play football and to win. Money is secondary." Robert Ayers
"I’m still around .... I might just do it for my own well-being. I don’t get no bonuses for it, I’m just doing it because this is what I do." Doom
"He can throw a fastball, he can throw a touch ball, he throws an awesome deep ball" Brandon Lloyd on K.O.
From my understanding...
Most of the issues Iupati had were when we was moved to RG from LG. Might seem like an insignificant move but it really does make a big difference. I didn’t see it firsthand, but I heard that once he was put back to LG that he was dominant.
I heard the same
It’s like trying to write left-handed if your a righty – very difficult. Your footwork is backward, you have different assignments. Over a while, he could probably make the transition just fine, but it would take time. At LG he is a monster.
It all starts with the lines
I agree! I've started watching film on Quinn also
He has a lot of athletic ability and moves well (easy to see why he’s a first round QB). I believe he has a stronger arm then Orton and more intelligent then Cutler (throws the ball away, lives for another day). I see a quarterback that :
A: didn’t have much to work with (talent wise for receivers)
B: wasn’t comfortable with the system (has started less games then Mark Sanchez)
C: Mangini called a very conservative game with alot of short routes and up the gut run plays with a few wildcat (Josh Cribbs thrown in for good measure) and we’ll call it an offense
I think we got a steal. This is just my opinion
I agree to some extent.
I have also watched some game film, after being dismayed that we gave up Peyton Norris for a would be backup-boy…..but I digress…..
After watching some film…on youtube….so obviously not a huge pool of film….I did notice great long acuracy, very few underthrown long balls (and even those were placed where his receiver could get it) Maybe they were all Flukes…but the guy has a nice throw from what I can tell, and very often put the ball where only his guy could get it even in heavy coverage……
I don’t think he starts this year…but I’d like to see him get a first half pre-season start in.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
He has good of athletic ability
Whats interesting to me is that after watching a few of his games his mobility and ability to extend the play with his legs is a breath of fresh air after watching Orton move around last year.
Brady
if you watch the film carefully, teams figured out pretty quickly how to beat Cleveland’s offense:
play man to man on all of the receivers because they are terrible
try to get joe thomas as far away from the pocket as possible so that he can’t help against other protection
throw everyone else at the 4 terrible O-linemen other than Thomas.
with such little talent around him, it’s no wonder he was a “bust”
I think he could do well with a good offensive line…just gotta make sure we have one :)
by black_knight101 on Mar 16, 2010 7:15 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I like this one. Totally agree with the theme. LOL
C'mon draft! I am ever the optimist! What a fun time of year!
Intelligent post
and I don’t just say that because I happen to agree with you on these players (=
I appreciate you doing a little research on Quinn, as well. It’s good to know that under a system that will remind him of college, he could flourish again.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I agree with this, Rocky Mtn Thunder- Nice work.
Thanks for the work on Quinn. I agree you have to look back to his college carreer to see the accuracy. Too much pressure from the rush in Cleveland? Too much biceps? Not sure, but I hope he works it out in our system and under our coaches.
I would be totally at ease with this draft, though I am not familiar with those after Briscoe. I’ll take your word for it (and McD’s if we actually draft them).
Thunder
Love the first 4 picks. Would be happy if these came true!
Good mock Rocky and like them all.
I am with you on Suh and McCoy, they are going to be DE/DG’s in a 3-4 defense and DT’s in a 4-3. Dan Williams is a prototype of Chris Baker imo and why should we get another Chris? Marcus Thomas another 6’3 316 lb DT who hasn’t shown up to OTA’s has already got it in his mind that he will the the 4th stringer this year? Behind J Williams , R Fields and Chris Baker? Seems awfully funny that he didn’t show, is it a sure sign that he might be on the way out.
Thanks for the research RMT
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Is this something you saw on film...
..or are you just repeating a line that’s been going around? I’m just asking.
One thing about Pouncey is he sometimes ends up on the ground way too much.
A man does what he has to do, and sometimes it’s not what I believe he should do. There’s no reason to use up energy hating him for it. Shoot him if you have to, but don’t hate him.
Louis L’Amour
Brady Quinn college stats under Weis
2005: Comp. Pct: 64.9 QB Rating: 158.4 TD: 32 INT: 7
2006: Comp. Pct: 61.9 QB Rating: 146.7 TD: 37 INT: 7
Those numbers look pretty good to me.
They do look good
So do these.
Comp %: 67.8 QB Rating: 167.0 TD: 28 INT: 8
That’s a better completion percentage and better QB rating than either of Quinn’s years under Weis. Those are Quinn’s buddy JaMarcus Russell’s stats from his junior season at LSU (he left a year early). Now, I think Quinn takes himself too seriously to sink to Russell’s level, but you get the idea.
In recent history, 1st round QB’s like David Carr, Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Rex Grossman, Alex Smith, and Matt Leinart – many of which had better college stats than Quinn -didn’t pan out for one reason another (obviously the jury is still out on Smith and Leinart).
I’ve been a vocal Orton supporter – but that certainly doesn’t mean I wouldn’t want Quinn to take the reigns if he gives us the best chance to win. In the NFL, Quinn has yet to show any sign of a player capable of doing that outside one game against a defense (ours) that many of us would otherwise say was barely competent. That’s just one man’s opinion though. I’ll be the first to admit, I only watched Quinn when he was playing the Broncos or when it was the only game on TV. If somebody else sees something that I didn’t that makes them feel as though Quinn will turn it all around in Denver – be my guest. But please – from now on – leave college stats out of it. Players who are great in college so often fall apart in the NFL just as mediocre college talents become Pro Bowlers. Thinking there’s some magical correlation between the two is like the HS Prom King going to college and wondering why he can’t get a date. It’s apples and oranges. He’s in a different environment with different people. Success doesn’t always carry from place to place. The same has proven true up until now – and while we all hope he improves – assuming is premature.
Wasn’t saying Quinn was the answer. I was just showing the improvement he showed his JR and SR year with Weis compared to his FR and SO year with Willingham. There is a big difference for QB’s in terms of systems and environments that they play in.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 17, 2010 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I have to be honest
I watched film of the past two years, not of his college games. His mechanics were all over the place. He was very inconsistent, and that part isn’t line or receivers – it’s on his own head. It lead to a lot of inaccurate passing that had nothing to do with anything but him. He needs a lot of what they call ‘coaching up’, and he’s going to get it in Denver. It’s his best chance to become a starter again, and to become the best QB he can be. I’m unconcerned with his physique – it hasn’t made him accurate or consistent, so it doesn’t really matter to me. Mobility is not a major requirement for the system that he’s coming into, so that part isn’t a big thing to me either.
But if he wants to prove that he really does have the skill to become a good starter, this is the place to do it. McCoy and McD are both well respected QB coaches and neither has ever been stingy to a player with information and help. From here on in, it’s up to him how well he does. I wish him the best, and as far as whether he starts or not, I’ll wait and see.
It all starts with the lines
True
but mobility is needed when you don’t have a great line. Whatever system they’re playing in.
by higgyhoops12 on Mar 16, 2010 11:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, ours certainly didn't qualify as great ;-)
This is a long term issue in the football world. Tom Brady has terrible mobility – but no one cares. He moves very well within the pocket. Peyton Manning isn’t much of a scrambler, but his analysis and release are so fast that it usually doesn’t matter. Orton’s mobility can certainly improve; I’m just not that concerned with mobility in a pocket passing scheme. I’m VERY concerned with fixing the OL, though. No arguement on that.
It all starts with the lines
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