You Cannot Be Serious: RMT Rants
Ladies and gentleman, I made a mistake today. I read Woody's mailbag this morning. A couple of months ago I promised myself I would stop reading because it did nothing of value but I couldn't help myself. Look I don't have a problem with an opinion as long as the opinion makes sense. Or at least make what you say so absurd people know you are joking such as my campaign to bring back John Engelberger. :)
Woody said something that really got my goat today.
I can't see Quinn being No. 1 in the first game because McDaniels wouldn't admit he made a mistake last year, and Josh genuinely believes that Orton will be improved and is the man.
Come on Woody. Do you think if Brady Quinn shows superior to Orton McDaniels will really say, "I can't look like I was wrong so I am going to start the inferior QB" No, Josh showed last year that he will bench Alphonso Smith and play a practice squad player if that player has shown to be better. If Orton starts, it is because Josh believes he gives the Broncos the best chance to win, not because he doesn't want to admit a mistake.
Also, one week after Woody claimed in his mailbag that Elway and McDaniels didn't have much of a relationship he retracts the statement (sort of) Here is the quote
ATTENTION, readers. I have a CORRECTION (sort of)!
Come on man! Let's drop the qualifier (sort of) and be honest. You completely misjudged the situation because you just don't have access to McDaniels and Elway like you think you do.
Woody in my opinion, used to be a much better writer than this. He has always been kooky, but I have never seen him take aim at a specific individual like he seems to do with Josh McDaniels. Perhaps Woody doesn't like Josh and can't imagine that many of us do...including John Elway, it seems. I got news for you Woody, I like Josh McDaniels.
It's times like this I miss the journalism of a man like Tim Russert. He was thorough, dilligent, and never revealed his political leanings. You always left a show with Russert feeling like you were more informed.
More shocking than any of this. Woody seems to have a number of people who write into his mailbag and think that they are receiving honest to goodness expert opinion on these things. At MHR though we know better, and the BS meter is on alert!
Thanks for letting me get this off my chest, I feel better now.
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Nice rant, thunder.
I actually think Tim Russert was a horrible journalist, in the “Shape of the earth: opinions vary” kind of way. His journalism was just stenography: writing down what both sides said, even if one side of the story was ridiculous, and calling the result fair. A good journalist doesn’t present everything as a he-said/she-said story. Instead, she does some work and uncovers new information. Tim Russert didn’t report, he mediated.
by Chibronx on Mar 19, 2010 9:44 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I see what you're saying about Russert
Still, the amount of preperation he had to do for each show was pretty significant.
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by RockyMountainThunder on Mar 19, 2010 9:49 AM MDT up reply actions
For sure. He was very good at what he was, but he was more tlaking head than journalist. I would love to see what happened if Woody did actual reporting instead of providing gossipy “access” in the contentless way of Washington “journalists”.
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Good stuff in there from the City Desk editor, including his insistence on finding the truth in the story as being part of the job. I think this is what you mean above. But objectivity is as far from modern journalism as I think I have ever seen it. Without it, truth is a pretty amorphous, weldable idea…
I also liked the statement from the marine: “A lie isn’t a side of a story. A lie is just a lie.” But that one is on us…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Styg, I find your idea that there’s a meaningful, practical objectivity that everybody reading and producing a newspaper could agree on to be beautiful in a utopian sort of way. But objectivity always has to be defined by someone, right, so as a practical or even an aspirational standard….. I just don’t know what it means. I’d never counsel a reporter to look for truth, either, since truth in the realm of humans comes down to one’s point of view. I’d just say that I like it when reporters talk about events and facts, rather than threading together competing assertions.
Season 5 of the Wire went so far off the rails, it’s depressing. There were more false moments in every episode of the season than in all that preceded it. The serial killer thing was silly. The black hats and white hats at the Sun were the kind of overdrawn thing David Simon was so magnificent for avoiding. The trailer for Treme looks super-good, though.
I suspected which direction the Wire was going to go
when I listened to the writers speak on a panel after the second season. I didn’t have high hopes for the end of season five, and as the lies mounted, I really wanted them to try and tie everything up in a nice bow and link it back to seasons past. The ending montage was sort of an attempt to get back to what they did well, but all in all, outside of saying that lies got them into that mess, it felt pretty out of control by the end. Which is to be expected of something that big, I suppose.
By objectivity, I certainly do think it can be agreed upon, because some things are axiomatic. At the most basic level people can agree on ostensive definitions, regardless of perception. That is where we start, by referring to what IS. We start by looking at the irreducible fact and concept of existence—that which is. At best, anything else is a corollary, and pretty much everything else is derivative.
As you say, events and facts are the heart of this. that is where the objectivity comes from. I definitely appreciate good journalism that takes on the next step as well, though it is much rarer, and that is the level of reporting that uses concrete facts to make a case for abstract or theoretical ideas. I would insist only on objectivity, by grounding the case solidly on reported facts.
I do think that objectivity is meaningful, practical (though in a more long range sense—in the short range it could be decidedly unpractical in today’s reporting environment), and certainly beautiful, but I don’t see where definition makes it lacking. If you are implying that objectivity is invented by someone, through definition, then I agree, there is no place for that. But what is is something that must be discovered. And definition is the next logical step, though if the definition is at all contradictory to known facts, it should go back to the drawing board, or at least be labeled hypothesis or something.
When I refer to “truth” I mean no more and no less than what is. As far as POV is concerned, it doesn’t change reality. Anything less than alignment between the two is less than truth, though there are plenty of stages of less than truth that are viable states of mind—but only to the degree that truth is the aim, and that the state is transient in so far as someone has the ability to keep moving…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2010 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions
Woody’s latest thing is taking shots at blogs. Not really sure why—he can’t possibly feel professionally threatened. I think he’s just being an ass.
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 19, 2010 9:46 AM MDT reply actions
I don't read him
But could it be that after reading MHR that he realizes that there are a lot of people that know more about what he thinks he is an expert on than he does?
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Woody
He’s probably not very happy with the bashing he gets from the bloggers at MHR. But he deserves at least some of the heat that he gets.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Maybe he should get an MHR account and defend his honor with some good ideas.
I think that Woody would make a good addition to the MHR community. He might learn a thing or two from some of the members here. I know I have.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 19, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
What if...
he already has…
(Insert creepy organ melody here.)
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
hmmmmmm
I wonder what his handle is? He might be a lurker.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 19, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions
Probably because the major difference between sports columnists and bloggers is that the former are (over)paid.
Woody has criticized bloggers for having no accountibility.
Huh??? Bloggers actually respond to their feedback and participate in the discussion. In his article, Woody openly admitted that he doesn’t even read the comments to his own articles.
Granted, DP commenters usually can’t string two coherent thoughts together.
Woody’s motivation isn’t to be factual or thoughtful, but rather to be entertaining. If he’s a journalist, than pro wrestling is a sport.
by Velveeta on Mar 19, 2010 10:54 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Access
Thats Woody’s problem. He thinks that he is entitled to access to McD. Shanny gave him access why shouldn’t McD? Shanny used Woody, Woody used Shanny. McD comes in doesn’t play that game, Woody does the only political thing he can do. Bash McD.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
+1
Even though I agree with your assessment of Woody, he still makes me chuckle!
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by bronco-Maine-iac on Mar 19, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions
damn skippy!
can’t stand his disingenious fan support……go cry in your weeties at home whiner…..talkin to Woody there…..appreciate the post!
Funny that this sets the stage for the first game of the season.
When (or if, I guess) Orton starts, people will just roll their eyes and smugly retort that, obviously Orton’s the starter, McD is too proud to admit he was wrong on Kyle.
Of course, starting Quinn will also mean McD is wrong – seeing as the man he traded our franchise QB for is nothing but a backup.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT reply actions
Why would we expect anything else?
The MSM said the same thing last year when he named Orton the starter so early. Remember he HAD to because he traded Orton for Whathisname.
The QB position is set.
by broncofaninIL on Mar 19, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
So McD loses either way.
Even if he makes the correct decision for the team, forcing imaginary reasons for the decision into peoples’ minds makes Woody look good, and McD look bad. It’s sort of sad, actually. I think Woody dug his own grave with McD with his pre-season predictions last year, and now wants to see McD fail to reaffirm them. While I don’t expect our local reporters to be blatant homers, I don’t like it when the most heard national voice of the team is a hater, either.
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Woody Paige = BUFFOON. Nuff said
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Jealousy
When McD was hired to be an NFL HC, he was only 32. I bet some writers in the media have some deep-rooted resentment for any young man making much more than they will ever see. I bet this goes to the root of the vitriol directed at McD.
And when some of these same people thought Cutler was the answer in Denver, watching him get traded just added fuel to the fire that was already burning.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
What horsepower said
THere are many people, including Woody Paige and MANY of his colleagues, who are just jealous of Josh McDaniels because he was hired as an NFL head coach at the ripe age of 32 years old. This is a HUGE reason why so many fans hate McDaniels as well. They believe that because he is young, he is not capable of making executive decisions.
Couldn’t be more wrong. McDaniels knows what it takes to build a winner, and people who are older than him simply cannot stand it. I know a guy who is a HUGE Broncos fan, always has been, who consistently makes references to our head coach wearing diapers and saying, “you can’t havea KID making decisions”.
In a word. BULLCRAP. If McDaniels wasn’t the right man for the job, Bowlen would have never hired the guy. He would never have given him the vote of confidence that he has. There’s a guy over at Bleacher Report named Chaz Mattson who holds an enormous grudge against McDaniels because this guy (Chaz) felt he was a better candidate for the Broncos’ vacant head coaching job.
Baloney. Josh McDaniels is a very, VERY smart man, and not just about football. People like Chaz, Woody, my friend, and other McD haters cannot be objective because he simply is younger than they. It’s unfair and I think we can all agree: IT’S ANNOYING.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 19, 2010 10:59 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
“There’s a guy over at Bleacher Report named Chaz Mattson who holds an enormous grudge against McDaniels because this guy (Chaz) felt he was a better candidate for the Broncos’ vacant head coaching job.”
Well, I can’t be alone in saying that I was rooting hard for Chaz Mattson to get the gig…
WTF? Who in God’s name is Chaz Mattson?
by Remember Keith Kartz! on Mar 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow
There seems to be quite a bit of ranting going around these days, but I definently agree, Woody is a bit off when it comes to something he is supposed to write about.
My emptiness says it doesn't care.
When a journalist states an opinion in a column it is merely that, an opinion.
With little or no real news to write about it seems the opinion column is all that is left. I take those with a grain of salt because they have no ‘real’ meaning to them. Woody’s opinion might not agree with ours, but he is man enough to say what’s on his mind if he wants to. The Denver Post has a group of writers over there who make me think that there allegance is to sale papers in any way they can and when there is a slow down of anything worth reporting they resort ot the opinion side of it. When I go over to the Post it is for nothing other than news, the rest of their garbage goes in the trash.
Woody appeals to the disgruntled fan.
He found a niche, let him exploit it. MHR is more concerned with the overall product.
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constructive or distructive opinion
Seems to me Woody could have benefited greatly from a recent MHR topic regarding name calling and finger pointing. I wrote him an e-mail to that effect a couple of weeks ago and let’s just say his response was immensely underwhelming. Of course, I did mention that MHR was gaining more and more of my attention and less and less of his:O) If he and the Post want to keep digging their own grave all he has to do is continue in the current vein.
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I read this article
last night too. I was just as angry as you are. That comment about McD not admitting he was wrong REALLY ticked me off. Woody is acting like a child. He is not acting like a professional. If I wanted to read people bash about McD I would go to a Chargers blog.
something else about Woody
When the New England Spygate thing went down, Woody was very loud on his soapbox about the whole affair.
Next thing you know, one of the figures in that mess is now the coach of the Broncos, and is bringing the same philosophy over here, AND emulating his mentor, who Woody hates with a righteous passion.
I think a lot of the ire that McDaniels drew came from two places: distaste for NE and identification with Shanny (later represented by identification with Cutler).
The NE distaste is interesting in that it too tends to stem from two places. The first is from the Spygate element which riles up folks in the context of fairness and sportsmanship, as it should. Where a debate is possible on the subject is just what kind of effect the cheating had, not whether it was cheating. The second source of distaste for NE is something that few believe exists, but is to be abhorred when you recognize that it does. It is a hatred of their success because it is success. This is worse than jealousy, since at least the jealous person values winning. This is a hatred of something not because you want to have it, but because you feel personally insulted when someone else has it. It is the devaluation of value itself, and it is very destructive. You may have heard of it referred to as the “Tall Poppy Syndrome,” and it is rooted in self-hatred, in projected hatred.
The identification with Shanny is interesting in some of the same way. Guru has said many times that one of the biggest symbols of Shanny’s failure was that he was the face of the franchise. The coach should never have that kind of play in a team, only the players should. One of the problems with the McD Broncos right now is that he is the face of the franchise. He needs to get the right players in, and those players need to step up and reclaim this team by their on-field performance. I think Orton is the leading candidate currently, but his hands are tied until he knows the system in and out, and we still don’t know if he can pull it off, which is, of course, why we watch.
What so many fans wanted to identify with (performance of the team on the field) is why I think they gravitated to Cutler. Here was a guy that could be the face of the franchise, more important than Shanny (unfortunately I think they thought this because they were told to think it—it was an example of the MSM being on the Bronco bandwagon for the first time in a long time, which is a clue in and of itself). But he didn’t get it done, and his weaknesses were glaring, but it was too late for a lot of fans to un-commit to that mode of thought. The reason it is hard to withdraw from something like that is because it is rooted in self-esteem and the process of identification. It also explains why the response was so toxic—and why it was often compared to a romantic breakup. A romantic breakup tends to be an assault on one’s self-esteem, which is where a lot of fans were coming from with Cutler, so it makes sense.
Both issues, the “tall poppy syndrome” in relation to the pats, and the identifiication with Cutler and Shanny both stem from the same place, self-esteem issues, so it is no wonder that the worst McD haters tend to possess both characteristics in spades: they are expressions of the exact same thing, and to them McDaniels represents an attack on some critical “sense of self.” Their over-emotional reaction should be a huge clue. Their tireless devotion to rehashing it (a trial and error process of exposing themselves to others in the hopes of drawing out agreement or an opportunity to engage in ad hominem—both being methods of propping up a sagging or paralyzed self-esteem (pseudo self-esteem actually, since requiring the outside opinion on something that is only inside themselves is probably why they have a self-esteem issue to begin with—its more like other-esteem) is another clue.
Tying this back to Woody, he makes it his business to find and manipulate these souls, to create an abyss between them and truth by starting and enforcing a process of erosion. He starts by bewildering them, then discourages them, then frustrates them, and they descend into bitterness, to fear, inwardly they withdraw into a fog of subjectivity, outwardly they are distrustful of Mcdaniels who represents what is, and worshipful of an unreal past or unrealized future, which represents their own subjectivism. The result is a gradual paralysis of their concept of value, and you get instances of otherwise trueorange fans with a rampant sense of hopelessness and blind hatred, just like the Woodys who manipulated them in the first place.
As to the why, well, Woody himself is half-victim, half-manipulator. I don’t know what makes him like that, I only know that the end result is a zombie parade of Woody-fans, who prop him up at the cost of their own integrity. I suppose that counts for something, but I wouldn’t call it valuable.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2010 1:44 PM MDT reply actions 9 recs
How true! Appealing to a certain class of fan that lacks the ability or desire to be their own person with their own reasoned opinions.
Some people are ripe to be swayed by whatever propaganda bolsters their own inadequacies.
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Outstanding! This is probably the best comment I have seen on MHR. Absolutely rec'd!
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Wow, brilliant comment.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 19, 2010 3:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, throw it down!
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by RockyMountainThunder on Mar 19, 2010 3:37 PM MDT up reply actions
hmmmm
Jeremy,
You are waaaaay to smart for me. I got lost about 1/3 of the way down that post, but I think I understand what you’re saying. Woody has become his own worst enemy due to his personal feelings, and you are suggesting that those feelings are blinding his true analytical process. Correct me if I’m wrong.
If this is the case, however, I believe you are correct, sir.
furthermore
My wife even likes McDaniels! So that’s saying something!
The first time she saw him, she asked “Who is that?”
I said, “Josh McDaniels, the new head coach of the Broncos. He’s like 32 or something”
She replied “McDaniels??? …… I’d be his McMuffin!”
:O
woody is his own worst enemy
absolutely. There are none so blind as those who refuse to see. A guy who has seen as much as Woody has, who has has a pressbox view of the game and as much access as he has had should be able to do more than clown around. he doesn’t have to, and I understand that, he can do whatever he wants, but the fact that he doesn’t value it, tells me that his motivations are far from informing us fans.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 19, 2010 5:38 PM MDT up reply actions
i dont like
everything McD does but its his team that chaz dude needs to get madden 10 and let the growup run denver i have farth in him to win games
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Local Media
They’ve lost creditability with me as a Broncos Fan. Seems they don’t do enough research or lack the ability to communicate with the Front Office of the Broncos. I no longer go to DP for my updates until the very last after browsing MHR and Internet first. Sad, I can remember when the press in Denver stood behind the team all they’ve done now is alienate the franchise. Sad DP doesn’t have anyone who can get the scoop from the people who know [McD’s staff].
Thank you MHR.
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In Defense of Journalists
You also have to remember that with Main stream media they do not always have a choice as to the article written. For instance, the editors often come to them and say “write a piece on why McDaniels is great” publish it on monday, and have another Journalist write a piece on why McDaniels is terrible to be published on tuesday. I am not saying these guys are always accurate, or even honest, just saying it is not in there control.
I have exchanged e-mails with several of the Denver Post journalists during the season last year (Woody actually posted part of our correspondence as a mailbag question)http://www.denverpost.com/woodysmailbag/ci_13613687. Most of them try an report what they can, but often it is out of thier control.
btw
I was corresponding because I was considering a career in journalism, but decided against. I am a major Bronco fan, but not enough to stalk the media. I was actually amazed I got actual responses and input on some of my writing.
by JesseDForrer on Mar 20, 2010 8:26 AM MDT up reply actions

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