Horse Tracks - 3/2/10 - Witness places gun in Clark's hands
by John Bena on Mar 2, 2010 8:00 AM MST
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Good Morning, Broncos Country! The trial of Wille Clark, the man police believe pulled the trigger the night Darrent Williams was killed, entered its second week yesterday with the prosecution's key witness taking the stand. Daniel 'Ponytail' Harris was with Clark the night of the murder and says he saw Clark pull the trigger of the gun that fired multiple bullets into the stretch limo carrying Williams, Javon Walker and others. It is this testimony of a man already in prison on drug charges, that will likely be the key to the case.
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Mornin' John. (Or afternoon as it is here.)
Thanks for the Horse Tracks.
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by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 2, 2010 8:22 AM MST reply actions
Thanks for the news John.
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Thanks John!
Somehow, I’ve missed the keys to the trial. Not that I haven’t asked, just that I haven’t heard damning tesimony.I’ve asked for ideas of how the trial is actually going, but it’s all about football. Glad to hear some good news here. Great way to wake up! This is a game changer. Fry, MFer, Fry!!!
This isn’t a football thing to me. It’s justice. Glad to hear a witness placed the gun in the shooter’s hand. I was worried for a while, but that’s a slam dunk, er… half of it at least.
Without that testimony, it would be a different tune. Scary to say the least (given the rest of the circ evidence). I’m more confident in a conviction today than yesterday.
From time to time, I get out of line. And if that’s my place today, so be it… This MFer needs to be butt-raped for life. That’s our boy that he shot. I’m a fighter, not a cryer. But I’ll cry the day this man gets his sentence. To take a promising life away for somethin so small as a fight is just plain and simply wrong.
Death penalty, no death penalty… whatevs. Politics aside. I volunteer to back-room ally his ass with no mercy. Pretty sure he can’t hit the chair in CO, and for a single life.. especially less likely. But a conviction is justice. No footballl there. Just justice.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Epic Fail
How can you jump into something like that without RTFA!? I’m all for the guy getting his just deserts if he actually did it, but go read about it…yeah he puts the gun in the guy’s hand, and then makes all of his testimony look EXTREMELY shaky by contradicting other things. His testimony is no smoking barrel here. If I were on the jury and this was the only nail the prosecution had to put in the coffin, the defendant is walking plain and simple.
Remember it isn’t that Clark “most likely” murdered…it has to be that Clark murdered “beyond a shadow of a doubt”.
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Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Don't get your hopes up for a conviction based on Harris's testimony.
There are some glaring problems here – not the least of which being Harris’s claim that only one gun was fired when the prosecution and the defense have already agreed that two guns were fired. Add to that Harris’s claims that he was not a part of any of the prior altercations, and in fact had not even seen Clark that evening (which is contradicted by several witnesses), and you’ve got a guy who comes off like he’s saying just enough to meet the demands of his plea deal, while stopping short of saying enough to anger Clark’s gang members (some of whom are no doubt in a position to make life in prison very, very unpleasant for Harris).
If you’re looking for justice, you might not find it in this court case. It seems to me that the prosecution needs something other than Harris’s word to show that Clark pulled the trigger on the gun that fired the bullet that killed Wlliams. If I understand correctly, the barrel of the gun was found, but that was all – so there’s no fingerprints to link Clark to the firing of the gun.
I fear that we’re going to have to satisfy ourselves with justice of a more spiritual nature here – Willie Clark may escape conviction, but if he indeed pulled the trigger, he’s got to live with the fact that he’s a murderer for the rest of his life. And to me, that’d be the worst punishment of all.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Mar 2, 2010 9:33 AM MST up reply actions
Willie Clark may escape conviction, but if he indeed pulled the trigger, he’s got to live with the fact that he’s a murderer for the rest of his life. And to me, that’d be the worst punishment of all.
There’s no guarantee that guilt is a part of Willie’s personality traits. For all we know, he’s a killer with a heart of stone, who will show no remorse for his actions. It’s sad to say, but there comes a point where a person is incapable of being punished because they feel they can play God and take lives with bullets, picking and choosing who lives or dies. It takes a different kind of person to commit murder, but it is beyond my knowledge to say whether or not Clark is the type of person to feel remorse or guilt. I simply don’t know him well enough.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 2, 2010 9:40 AM MST up reply actions
Disagree
If he pulled the trigger and gets off, he will live HAPPILY with it for the rest of his life and brag about it. Do you realize we are talking a serious gang here?
I see what you mean, and I share your concern.
It really bothers me too – I’m not trying to whitewash the injustice of it with platitudes. I’m just saying that this might be the only justice we get. If you beleive in the afterlife, then they’ll likely be more justice there as well, but we can’t see that justice so it’s not much comfort to us. I realize that Clark and likely Harris too are not the sort of guys to shed a bunch of tears over this. But I believe that deep down, almost everyone has a sense of right and wrong (the exception being actual psychopaths, but there’s a difference between a psychopath and a garden-variety thug). Someday, probably many days from now, these guys are going to think about what they’ve done with their lives and know that they left the world a worse place than they found it. Meanwhile, everyday people like you and I can put our heads down at the end of the day knowing that we most likely made the world just a little bit better today. That’s the solace that I try to take when stuff like this goes down.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Mar 2, 2010 11:58 AM MST up reply actions
Harris is involved up to his eyebrows.
There were at least two guns fired. If Clark was driving, I find it highly unlikely he was shooting TWO guns. I have some experience in this field, and my gut tells me Harris is the second shooter. Did the DA have to make a deal with the devil to get a conviction?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
You don't understand prison...Clark won't get butt raped
He will become part of a hardcore gang inside…if any butt-raping is to be had, he’ll be partaking in it from the other side.
Sad reality…prison is full of haves and havenots. The really bad guys, like Clark, will become the “haves”.
/begin rant
I’d prefer to see our prison system return to the way they were 100 years ago. Why should we foot the bill to give them 3 square meals, first-rate medical care, weights, basketball, cable tv, ect….screw ’em. One meal of tasteless slop, medical care only if you are going to die without it, and work…lots and lots of hard labor.
They’d be too busy to form criminal gangs…everyone would be busted-ass tired from working 15 hours to “butt-rape” or anything else for that matter.
/end rant
In the end, DWill was still robbed of his life and DWill’s children will never get the father they deserved. The true crime was committed against his children imo.
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by Tim Lynch on Mar 2, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions 3 recs
all this would be well and good if our justice system was accurate and if we didn't want any of these folks let back into society...
as an ex-con who learned his lesson the first time (20 years ago)… i’d have to respectfully disagree. i get your point though. We were pretty hard on the rape convicts for instance. The ‘Clarks’ though come in several varieties. It doesn’t necessarily take a brave man to shoot a man. Especially not face to face. Maybe just a drunk, cowardly, wanna be – thug who very well could turn homosexual. If he’s guilty, i for one hope he does. The prison system can be amazingly hard on those types. Maybe even hard enough for you.
Nothing makes up for kids losing their father.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 2, 2010 5:55 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks John.
Ocho is on dancing with the stars………… oh boy……..
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all four guys in the car should get prison time. What about being an accomplice?
Give em all that truth serum and make them talk. Sometimes I think our legal system is just too lax.
Harris got immunity
from any charges in this case in exchange for his testimony against Clark
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And for all we know, Harris might be the killer himself.
we know that multiple guns were fired – Harris’s relunctance to admit the full scope of his involvement makes me think that he was one of the ones doing the firing. we’ll likely never know who fired the particular shot that killed Williams, but IMO anyone in the Tahoe when the shots were fired is guilty.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Mar 2, 2010 9:35 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
According to testimony from an expert
http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14491657 (12:25pm and again at 12:40)
The two guns used were each fired at different spots on the vehicle. Whoever was driving was likely the killer. Has there been testimony, other than Harris, that puts Clark in the drivers seat? Admittedly, I’m no lawyer or investigator, but that may be the key.
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How about NEXT YEAR?! 13-3 BABY!
I also agree
Harris was on the other gun if he was sitting where he says he was.
~Davus.X~
Est. 1967
Bleeding Orange and Blue for 42 years
Resident of La-La-Land! Mike Clark for President!
How about NEXT YEAR?! 13-3 BABY!
and the rat gets rewarded... good police work there. typical.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 2, 2010 5:57 PM MST up reply actions
It's not a perfect system. Better to get some than none, no?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
2 of them are in jail
for refusing to testify. They are in contempt, but will get out when the trial is over. Harris made a plea deal and his testimony against Clark will not put him away IMO. The only justice that will be served is if the gang members get to Harris for what he has said.
Can't wait for Friday.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Closing arguments
will hopefully be televised
When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
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