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Thoughts on the draft, combine, etc.

1.  Instead of coming right out and saying I support drafting Tim Tebow with our first round pick, let me say this: I will trust coach McDaniels if he decides to draft Tim Tebow.  I will trust Coach McDaniels if he doesn't decide to draft Tim Tebow also.  In other words, as of now, I have complete faith in McD's ability to evaluate and develop QBs.  Don't worry, I won't let this post devolve into an evaluation of Tim Tebow, as that horse has already been beaten to death.   I can think of few, if any, coaches that would be better at this task.  For the sake of objectivity, can you guys think of another coach you would prefer handling and developing a young QB?  I am not one of these fans who blindly worships coach McD, in fact, he frustrated me a lot last season.  However, his work with the QBs is something that I have not questioned.  Would you become like a lot of bandwagon Bronco fans and start calling him "McDummy" etc?  Please don't tell me whether or not you like Tebow, tell me if you would trust our coach with this decision, I'm curious.  

Let me briefly split hairs:  Is Coach McDaniels a better evaluator or developer of QBs?  I think he is equally good at both but I need more time to fully make that call.  

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2.  It is nice to see that Dan Williams is getting a little bit more consideration here.  I have been on his bandwagon since day 1.  His value is starting to rise in line with our position in the draft and I am excited.  I think Terrance Cody and Cam Thomas are decent prospects, don't get me wrong, but there is a significant difference between them and Dan Williams.  Out of the three, Dan Williams seems most likely to command a double team and even offer some inside penetration of the QB.  Williams will force teams to run around him and by most accounts, is the premier run-stopper in this talent-laden draft.  

3. A friend of mine slapped me and brought me back down to earth the other day regarding the draft.  He was singing the praises of Brandon Graham, who I think is a stud as well.  I shot him down by saying something along the lines of "We are already set at that position."  He reminded me that if you are drafting for best player available (the best long-term approach for building a team), you don't worry as much about what you already have.  For example, the Vikings already had Chester Taylor before they drafted Adrian Peterson.  I have to agree with him.  While drafting Graham at #11 might be a reach, trading down a little to get him could be feasible.  If I remember right, this guy led the nation in tackles for loss.  He seems to be similar to Doom but would give us a much bigger presence against the run.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think he could supplant Doom, but maybe he and Ayers would compete for the other rushing LB spot.   Who knows?  The point is, don't shoot the idea down just because we already have players at that position.  

4. Here is a prediction for you:  I don't think we are going to address our interior O-line through the draft that much.  This, for me, is assuming Ryan Harris comes back.  I wouldn't be surprised if our first interior O-linemen is taken in the fourth round, or so.  I love Iupati as a guard prospect but I will leave his evaluation to the coaches.  If he projects as the "best guard prospect in the last ten years" then I believe we would be foolish not to take him at #11.  As it stands now, I think he might be a reach at #11.  In the second round, I really love John Jerry but I acknowledge that would be a reach possibly not worth taking.  I would be all over him in the third round though.  Many people have us taking multiple interior O-linemen and expecting them to be "day one starters."  This just doesn't happen.  Not only would we be sacrificing value for the sake of the long-term but we would be crazy to think every draftee could come in and start right away.

My final prediction is this:  Coach McDaniels will piece our broken interior O-line together in the same way he pieced our broken secondary together last year.   McDaniels turned our secondary from something that was broken into a top ten category.  He will attempt to do the same to our interior o-line.  Don't get me wrong, I think we will draft at this position, but if I had to guess, it won't be as high a priority as we think.  McDaniels brought in Hill, Goodman, and Dawkins last year knowing they would be immediate starters.  He drafted several DB's specifically for the nickel, for depth, for special teams, and for hoping that they could be everyday starters one day.  

Here are a few quick opinions:

5. Rolando McClain did not look great at the bench press (plus or minus 25 reps?) though I don't put tons of stock into it.  I like him as a prospect but I wonder about him fitting in with the Broncos.  All 3-4 defenses are not created equal.  We run a 5-2 defense and that puts pressure on your ILB's to be fast and be able to track down RB's that run to the edge.  I wouldn't be disappointed if we drafted him but I wonder if he is as high on McD's list as we think.  

6. John Jerry looks like the type of O-lineman we would want.  He is gigantic but is athletic and quick.  He appears to have the athleticism to play right tackle if needed, but would be a starter quality LG or RG.  Other than Iupati and Pouncey, I think Jerry is the best interior o-line prospect in the draft.  

7.  I watched several Dez Bryant interviews this weekend and was not impressed at all.   I think his competitiveness is off the charts but he seems to lack intelligence and has all the makings of another prima donna WR, which I want nothing to do with.  

8. For the record, I am for drafting a RB in the second or third round.  There will be tons of value there.  Specifically, I like Ben Tate, Toby Gerhart, and Montario Hardesty.  Buckhalter's injury history makes him a player that you can't count on.  I love him but we should not plan on his production, we should just consider it icing on the cake.  

9.  I would not be surprised if the best player available with our first round pick might be someone like Berry, Haden, or Earl Thomas.  I would not be excited about drafting a DB but would support the choice if our coaches went that route. 

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If he’s there at 11 I hope we take him. there are a lot of other players I’d like there (Iupati, Williams, Pouncey) but there are a lot of good linemen in the next couple rounds also. Champ is likely in his last year with the Broncos, Goodman is getting up there in years, smith hasn’t proven anything ( I do have hope for his second year though). We could look up one day soon and be in a world of hurt at CB if we don’t address the issue now.

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by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 8:32 AM MST reply actions  

Agree with you.

And if by any chance Berry is there I would take him right away.
Also wasn’t impressed with Bryant interviews on the other hand Tebow showed what everyone there wanted to see a humble guy, who knows he has to improve, good athleticims and that he’s very competitive.

by Broncos_BZ on Mar 2, 2010 9:36 AM MST up reply actions  

We have some similar thoughts about the OL swg777...

if we stand pat on the 11th pick then I wouldn’t expect McDaniels and Xanders to go after an interior OL guy. It’s too much of a reach IMO. I see why people love Iupati, but, I’m not sold on Pouncey entirely. I watched several Florida games this past year and he seems to end up on his back a lot. A couple of scouting reports I’ve read mention that as well. (although I wouldn’t put a lot of stock on some of these so called scouting reports out on the web). I really like John Jerry, size and quickness. Tennant looks like one of the better centers in the draft as well and we might be able to get him around round 3 or 4. As far as Dan Williams goes, would love that pick, but not at the 11th pick, still a little high for him. I think he could actually end up being the best nose guy out of this draft, however.

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by bchiper on Mar 2, 2010 8:54 AM MST reply actions  

Well stated opinion on Tebow

I really like the “I trust McDaniels in this area” statement…it is fair for either side.

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by sadaraine on Mar 2, 2010 9:16 AM MST reply actions  

I would trust McD to develope Tebow and that is the only thought I have on drafting him. Thank you for giving me a point of reference.

by Ramblin'man on Mar 2, 2010 9:29 AM MST reply actions  

I would love for Tebow to be on our team, I with the people who say he is going to make someone look like a genius

by GJBroncofan19 on Mar 2, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions  

I totally agree about Dez Bryant

I heard a radio interview with him and was not impressed with his attitude or his intelligence. After hearing Xanders reiterate the “intelligent, tough, physical, versatile, good teammate” mantra, I’ll be very surprised if Bryant is our first round pick, despite the MSM’s predictions…

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by Broncs Cheer on Mar 2, 2010 10:38 AM MST reply actions  

Agree Dez will likely not be our 1st round pick, which of course means

that we will be crucified for ignoring the “need”. Oh well, I guess we get used to this after a while.

by idahobronc on Mar 2, 2010 6:39 PM MST up reply actions  

this is where I am at with Dez as well

he might be the last of a top group of on the field talents available, and so might be a default, but I see at least 3 other guys witha very real shot of being at our spot, so hopefully Denver finds themselves with choices at #11. I’m not totally against Dez, but the interviews lowered my estimation of his value, no doubt.

Funny thing is, I have read a lot of articles and heard interviews from earlier dealing with him talking about his suspension, and he comes across much better talking about that.

It is possible that the coaching he is receiving on speaking to the media in interviews is having a profoundly negative effect on his delivery and spontaneity, upon his extemporaneous abilities.

I remember reading about a president, maybe Kennedy, who gave terrible speeches, even though his speechwriter was the same one for the previous president who gave great speeches. The solution turned out to be giving him the speech not as a handful of note cards or written out talking points, but as a series of informal ‘lectures’ on the speech. His ability to deliver the speech from a more cognizant part of his brain (due to learning it in a fashion that corrollated with his learning style) resulted in him being more personable, and frankly, as coming across as more intelligent.

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 3, 2010 11:15 AM MST up reply actions  

Certainly not President Kennedy
I remember reading about a president, maybe Kennedy, who gave terrible speeches,

Kennedy was a great speaker. Trust me – you’re too young to remember him.

All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.

William Blake

by bradley on Mar 3, 2010 3:15 PM MST up reply actions  

Maybe i'm thinking of Johnson?

Whoever it was eventually became good at giving speeches, and somewhat known for it, and they followed after someone who was very good.

Now my crystal ball is saying, maybe Truman… Don’t mind me folks…

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 3, 2010 4:16 PM MST up reply actions  

Nixon?

He was truly terrible as a speaker – one of the big reasons he lost in 60 to Kennedy. LBJ was actually a good speaker, if you liked his droopy Texas style. I had a friend in college (’64) who never missed a speech by LBJ.
On another subject, any chance for a return by Victor Hugo? Cyborg is kind of hard on my old eyes. ;-)

All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.

William Blake

by bradley on Mar 3, 2010 4:43 PM MST up reply actions  

absolutely Hugo shall return

as training camp approaches and I shake the interminable coils of film review on present players and prospects, as I disconnect from the vastness of “it is” and reconnect with the simplicity of “it ought to be”, Hugo shall make a most glorious and triumphant return…

He wouldn’t have it any other way, I’m sure. :)

“That’s it,” replied Claude, who seemed absorbed in deep meditation, and stood with his forefinger on the folio from the famous presses of Nuremburg. Then he added these mysterious words: “Alas! alas! Small things overcome great ones: the Nile rat kills the crocodile, the swordfish kills the whale…”

“The book will kill the building!”

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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 3, 2010 5:29 PM MST up reply actions  

I share the same OL thoughts as you do.

I was thinking this morning about how McD built the secondary last off-season. I had absolutely no clue what he was going to do, but he brought in 75% of our starting defensive backfield. I believe that he will add quality veterans to our line. I’m also interested in seeing where and how Seth Olsen will play on the OL.

I’m really starting to warm up to Dan Williams now. I know some say that he is a reach at #11. I hope we take him, not just to benefit our D, but to keep him away from the Chargers. I have a suspicion that they will sign either Chester Taylor and/or Thomas Jones in Free Agency. If they do that, then they won’t have a pressing need to draft a RB early. They could use a big body at NT, given the fact that Jamal Williams was injured. I would indeed be a bit concerned if they signed T. Jones and drafted Dan Williams.

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by BroncoCountryHawaii on Mar 2, 2010 10:38 AM MST reply actions  

Thomas Jones would be an immediate upgrade over Buckhalter IMO.

I am not sure why the Jets are ready to throw him down after a 1400 season. I know the fans are as upset as the Eagles fans were over Dawkins. Maybe we can make another splash.

by bfree2bronc on Mar 2, 2010 6:19 PM MST up reply actions  

I would love if we got Gebhart in the 3rd round

He is big and has some good speed for his size. He also has tons of legitimate experience and games under his belt to produce for Denver. He is the big bruiser back we missed last year. Buckhalter is injury prone and Hillis has little favor with this staff. Moreno and Gebhart as a combo backfield would be very productive and dangerous.

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by BroncoBitt on Mar 2, 2010 11:10 AM MST reply actions  

Consider the variables

IMO swg777 you’ve hit several things right on the head.
There are various ways to built a team. (First variable).
McD used FA last year to solidify a very weak secondary.
It was a short-term solution, but he added a couple of depth pieces in the draft. (I still think Phonz will surprise us at CB and McBath appears to have upside; maybe even Carter).
You think that McD may do the same in the case of the OL. IMO he may already have started. I look at Fry, Hamilton (at OC), McChesney, Hochstein, Batiste and Polumbus and see the possibility of a serviceable OG and OC there. Even Polumbus might find a home at OG or OC. All (except Hamilton) increase the size in the OL which McD indicated he aimed at. With Clady and Harris to anchor it, the OL may already have more potential than I thought. I would not be at all surprise with a pick of an OT at #11. I assume that McClain, Berry, Suh, McCoy, will be gone by #11 (if not, I take whoever falls in a heartbeat – even McClain at this point). But Russel Okung, Anthony Davis, Bryan Bulaga, and Trent Williams might be available and would give me pause.

Point two – the Walter and CBS ranking systems are not without flaws. This is especially true if you take the oft mentioned qualities that are dear to McD/Xands. Some players might, in their ranking, raise pretty high and would not be “reaches” to them. You focus on Dan Williams. I don’t know enough about him to agree or disagree at this point. But your point is valid and “to the point”.
Point three – You do an good job of reminding us that “Best Player Available” is finally the best way to build a consistent winner. I agree with this caveat. I think that sometimes players can be ranked in clusters pretty evenly. Then the strength of the subsequent draft would IMO play into the evaluation. If an OT and CB are about even, but there are more good CBs than OTs further on, then the OT rank rises some.
Point four – McD is IMO both good at evaluating QBs and developing. Combined, it means he has a pretty good idea of what kind of QB can be developed into a winner in the NFL. IMO Tebow is not that kind of QB, not because of his bad throwing mechanics, but because IMO he has not demonstrated any ability to quickly read defenses. I know he has had to at Florida, but he does not create confidence in me with his ability to think quickly on his feet and make quick decisions. Work habits and humility may be appealing characteristics, but his decisions to air an anti-abortion ad at the superbowl raised a serious “red flag” with me. I don’t disagree with his position (I do not promote abortion), but I immediately envisioned the distraction of close to half of the women in Denver demonstrating at Dove Valley or calling for boycotts of Bronco games. I know I’m exaggerating, but you get my point. IMO not a good move on Tebow’s part. Questionable instincts.

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 2, 2010 5:23 PM MST reply actions   2 recs

In addition to the fact that he has never read defenses from under center

We found out this week that Tebow has already tried to change his throwing motion unsuccessfully. That doesn’t mean that it’s impossible – he’ll have more of an opportunity since he won’t be playing – but it’s another red flag. The body, in general, tends to revert to its most natural movement under stress, and that’s what happened in college. When he actually tried to use that motion in game situations, he was unable to.

I have no interest in his politics, sex life or religion. Those who need to inflict their spiritual paths on others who have not asked for that experience are simply acting out of their own egos. That’s hardly a disqualification for the QB position, but it’s not an assurance of success, either.

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by Doc Bear on Mar 2, 2010 6:36 PM MST up reply actions   3 recs

Emmett,

These are surprising comments from you and not very well thought out. I’m late to this ball game but I still want to add my two cents. Reading the progression of these comments shows that you were the one to bring up his religion, not any other member. Why even go there?

1. You would not criticize Tebow’s urge to share his beliefs if he was black. If you disagree with this, please show me similar posts/comments you have made regarding Dawkins, Reggie White etc. I will be waiting for this.
2. To say the urge to share your faith to people who have not asked for it is done to act “out of their own egos” shows a fundamental misunderstanding of people and a likely regurgitation of some dime-store liberal philosophy book worth about as much as a squirt of piss to me. Have you thought, for a second, that maybe just one of these people are acting on this urge just because they believe it is the truth and not for self-aggrandizement?

That is all I am saying about this uncomfortable topic. You brought it up, not me. Let’s stick to football.

by swg777 on Mar 3, 2010 6:10 AM MST up reply actions  

Apples to apples, oranges to oranges please

Cmon swg. The pro life goes hand-in-hand with the religion aspect of Tebow that TEBOW touts all up in everyone’s business.

There is a big difference between Dawkins / Reggie White and Tebow…and it isn’t skin color. The first two guys are proven NFL stars. Tebow is a college QB who will most likely be a TE or RB / Gimmick guy in the NFL. I find it rather racist of you to throw the black / white card up when the issue you were talking about was religion.

You do have a valid point on topic two, but you have to look at the fruit of the matter, not just ideology. What does Tebow’s religion have to do with anything about football? Nothing that requires it to be such a big part of the discussion in my opinion.

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by sadaraine on Mar 3, 2010 9:06 AM MST up reply actions  

swg, I agree - let's stick to football and drop the name calling

The idea that I’m a racist dime store liberal is truly bizarre. I prefer that all individuals recognize that many people aren’t interested in being preached to about other folks religions.

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by Doc Bear on Mar 3, 2010 10:58 AM MST up reply actions  

I dont' think the ad is a valid argument.

There have been many great players who had beliefs that were more important to them than football. Reggie White comes to mind, as he had some off-field distractions that really were nothing and didn’t affect how he was able to dominate on the field. I think when it comes down to it distractions in the locker room hurt teams, but things outside the locker room have little to no affect on a team regardless of what the MSM says. I really don’t think the Broncos would care if there were a few thousand women protesting outside Mile HIgh.

I think that his mechanics are a valid point, but I think that if there’s a player able to overcome them, it would be Tebow. I can’t remember a player who had the mix of athleticism, intelligence, character and work ethic that Tebow seems to possess.

by Kgrone on Mar 2, 2010 7:39 PM MST up reply actions  

Agreed

With all of the above. Good post, swg

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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 2, 2010 5:26 PM MST reply actions  

Sorry!

That should be:
“I know he has Not had to at Florida…”

by ivanthenotsobad on Mar 2, 2010 5:34 PM MST reply actions  

Need to inflict?

What would you think of a college coach who had inside information on a player – knew he was a perfect fit, a great leader, measurables and intangibles off the charts but decided to keep the info to himself for fear of being seen as egotistical? People who believe they have information that can help others and share it are people who care about others – they are not necessarily egotistical. Emmitt I have always thought you were a very intelligent and reasonable poster . This view does not ring with the same intelligence you usually show. It seems to be a response that is filled with more emotion than logic. If you don’t realize you have a need for something you will never ask for info or help on it. I care too much for people to keep my “spiritual path” to my self – not based on ego but on love. If someone refused to share what they consider truth, freedom and help with those around them, like Tebow did in the ad or does through his life and choices, I would question whether he really believed what he stood for. Your opinions and beliefs are shared, albeit with those of us who seek your opinion, with passion and believability. I would like to think if anyone really believed their spiritual path was real and beneficial they would be obligated to shout it from the roof tops and deal with those offended as best they could. I suspect Tim Tebow feels a responsibility to stand up for what he believes and that his God given abilities come with a responsibility. Read with proper inflection not infliction.

by pastordan on Mar 2, 2010 8:54 PM MST reply actions   1 recs

Inflicting

Not to get off on the question of one person inflicting his or her beliefs on someone else (the downtown catholic church ringing its bells in my downtown periodically is, in my opinion, inflicting their noise on me as much as the teenager blasting his rap crap from his stereo as he drives by) but this is one reason I don’t want someone like Tebow on the Broncos. Pastor Tim can go somewhere else, even if he turns into a good QB. I just don’t want Pastor Tim under center on my broncos. How would you feel about a devout Buddhist on the team spouting his views from the public position that he would get as a member of the Broncos?

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
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by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:06 PM MST up reply actions  

So, according to your comment, I'm assuming you are also against Brian Dawkins being a Bronco?

Dawkins is a devout Christian, as well. How is that any different?

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions  

Good question

A couple of responses. Read Matthew 6:5,6 for starters. I don’t care if someone is a devout anything. I don’t want to hear about religion from Brian Dawkins either. He does keep it to himself unless asked. I admire that. Don’t know if that can be said about Tebow.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Listen, I could theologize all day, but for the context of MHR, I'll just say this.

First amendment (freedom of speech) –

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Again, it doesn’t matter to me if someone is a devout anything, either. They do have a legal right to say what they want, though. For the context of MHR (which is a football site), I’ll repeat what I said for my comment below. We should be more focused on what Tebow can (or can’t) do on a football field than what kind of religious message will be spreading when he isn’t on the football field. If you’d like to discuss more of the theological basis behind matthew 6:5-6 (which I didn’t discuss in this comment because it doesn’t have much to do with football) then feel free to email me about it and I’d be more than happy to discuss it.

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:34 PM MST up reply actions  

First Amendment

It only applies to state action. Still, I agree that people can say what they want. I just don’t want to hear it from a 20 something true believer in a Bronco uniform. Let him join the clergy if he wants to be a preacher.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:43 PM MST up reply actions  

Well, you can change my opinion however you want, but it's not going to change Tim Tebow.

The fact of the matter is he is going to talk about God. That’s just who he is. He is a football player that believes in God and is going to talk about it. Who knows? He might be a preacher when he retires from football. He might not. Christians do a number of different things in the world and most of them don’t become preachers.

Like I said before, his religion doesn’t affect his football. That’s the bottom line.

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:47 PM MST up reply actions  

I'm not currently concerned with the 1st amendment

No one has suggested that anyone is banned from speaking about their religion – off this site. I am concerned with the separation of church and football. Dan – I’m not interested having you preaching to me. Thank you anyway, but please don’t do that again. Bradley is quite correct in the verse he is quoting. I do not talk about my spiritual path on this site, and I’d appreciate the same in return.

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by Doc Bear on Mar 2, 2010 11:09 PM MST up reply actions  

Exactly. Let's get back to the issue of Tim Tebow, the football player.

Frankly, I’m almost tired of talking about Tebow. The media has talked all about his poor mechanics and his change to a new throwing motion, yada yada yada. How about we talk about Dan Williams or someone who doesn’t get as much publicity?

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 11:26 PM MST up reply actions  

Absolutely

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by Doc Bear on Mar 2, 2010 11:32 PM MST up reply actions  

Matthew 6:5-6

Sent you an e mail. Go ahead and tell me all about it.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:49 PM MST up reply actions  

Personally, if the guy can play football really well, I want him on the team. I don't care if he's buddhist, jewish, christian, muslim or whatever.

Now, I’m not saying that religion isn’t important. I believe that it is. However, this is a football site. We should be more focused on what Tebow can (or can’t) do on a football field than what kind of religious message he will be spreading when he isn’t on the football field.

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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:23 PM MST up reply actions  

Ryan Harris, for example

Is a Muslim. Fine by me. But he keeps it to himself. Don’t think you can say that about Tebow. I don’t want someone on the Broncos using his position as a Bronco to advocate what should be a private position.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:30 PM MST up reply actions  

That's fine. I don't disagree with that.

However, if Brian Dawkins says something like “God bless you” at the end of an interview (which he has done before), I don’t understand how that is something that should be a huge deal.

Muhammad Ali was openly muslim, too. It caused a major controversy back in the day, but it didn’t change the way he fought. That’s just how I feel about Tebow. He can say whatever he wants. If it bothers people, which it already has (obviously), then that’s fine. As long as it doesn’t detract from the way he plays football, then it shouldn’t be that big of a deal.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:36 PM MST up reply actions  

Muhammad Ali

was his own person, not a Denver Bronco. I’m just saying I don’t want Tebow in Denver partly because of his outspoken beliefs, which I find to be juvenile at best. I also think he’ll be a bust in the NFL.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:46 PM MST up reply actions  

Alright, let's talk about that.

I don’t understand why any talk of Tebow has to turn into some religious debate. The guy plays football. What he talks about off the field is irrelevant to the Broncos. When guys walk off the field, they can do whatever they want. Some endorse Oreo cookies or Visa or Coca Cola. Some do charity. Some go visit dying kids in hospitals. How many times have we talked about any of those other things?

Tebow, off the field, can do whatever he wants and it doesn’t have to affect you. You can choose to pay attention or not. Think of it as a Peyton Manning commercial. He can endorse Oreos on television all he wants, but if you don’t want oreos, Peyton can’t shove them down your throat. Same with Tebow and religion.

Just watch him on Sunday and mute the commercials and you won’t have to worry about it.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 9:52 PM MST up reply actions  

Oreos...

…are one thing. Religious beliefs are another. I’ve been trying to say that I don’t want to give him an orange and blue pulpit.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 9:54 PM MST up reply actions  

Have you seen him use his title at Florida to garner attention to himself and his religious beliefs?

Whenever I’ve seen him talk about it, I haven’t seen him say “I’m Tim Tebow of the Florida Gators and as their all star QB, I’d like to talk to you about my religion.”

Mostly, I’ve heard a lot of “I’m so blessed”, “my God-given abilities” and things like that whenever he is being interviewed. He doesn’t come out and preach. His religion just spurts out of him in short bursts, because that is who he is and he can’t hold it inside him.

However, just because a guy has certain views doesn’t mean he is going to hold a church service at Invesco Field before the game starts.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 10:05 PM MST up reply actions  

He doesn't really have to introduce himself does he?
Whenever I’ve seen him talk about it, I haven’t seen him say "I’m Tim Tebow of the Florida Gators and as their all star QB, I’d like to talk to you about my religion."

I mean, get real. I don’t want to hear any of that from Tebow. Or Brian Dawkins either, for that matter. I’ll take Brian Dawkins because he’s a proven, great football player. Not so with Tebow. He may turn into one – I just pray he does it somewhere else, if he does it at all..

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 10:15 PM MST up reply actions  

To summarize

Before I toddle off to my crib: I don’t want Tebow in Denver because I think he’ll be a bust in the NFL at QB and because I don’t want to listen to his juvenile religious stuff. And I get the impression that you and Sayre and other Tebow idolizers want him here partly, if not mostly, because of his religious prattlings.

When you’re wounded on Afghanistan’s plains, and the women come out to cut up what remains, just roll to your rifle and blow out your brains, and go to your God like a soldier.
Rudyard Kipling

by bradley on Mar 2, 2010 10:24 PM MST up reply actions  

Honestly, I don't know where I stand with Tebow.

I’m slightly worried about him trying to change his mechanics less than a month before his pro day. I’ll fully make my decision whether or not to jump on the Tebow bandwagon once I see how his pro day turns out.

I will say this for an absolute fact. The fact that he is religious has absolutely nothing to do with my opinion of him on the field. If he can help the Broncos, I want him. If he looks terrible at his pro day and his mechanics are still iffy, then I want him to play for the raiders so that we can bash his brains in twice a year. It really is that simple.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Mar 2, 2010 10:30 PM MST up reply actions  

You're entitiled to that belief

Please don’t do this again. I’m sure that you’re sincere and that you believe what you’re saying, but this is totally misguided. People all around you live their beliefs daily without feeling that they need to tell other folks what to think or believe. I know that’s your job, but this isn’t the place and I am not in your congregation. Thank you.

Don't say rebuild - say reload...

by Doc Bear on Mar 2, 2010 11:20 PM MST up reply actions   1 recs

thanks Emmitt

I’ll respect your choice. But I didn’t bring it up – you did. If you don’t want to talk about it then don’t don’t bash someone else as you talk about not talking about it. I am not hard of hearing, or misguided and you don’t need to repeat yourself. Pardon me all this will be my last statement about it.

by pastordan on Mar 3, 2010 5:13 AM MST reply actions  

"The best player available" -shades of Dan Reeves

Taking the best player available was the policy of the Dan Reeves era. While this policy brought in players like Steve Atwater, the team suffered with chronically weak positions such as wide receiver, running back, and offensive line. John Elway was one of the most sacked quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, because of a lack of a running game and a decent offensive line. The problem wasn’t solved until Shanahan took over. I believe that like Belichick , McDaniels has a plan and like the New England he will draft according to that plan. Certain positions are more critical than others in each teams’ strategy and I think we should draft accordingly. Not being sure what McDaniel’s plan is makes it difficult to guess what position and style of player we need.

by BleedOrange76 on Mar 3, 2010 1:35 PM MST reply actions  

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