Sundays Are For Watching Football -- So Here You Go
Over at DenverBroncos.com they have been looking at upcoming prospects in the draft, little more than a tease most of the time, but when I saw the latest installment, I got all excited. Defensive Linemen, some of the more interesting guys. Thing was, I read through the article, and left unsatisfied, as if the itch hadn't been scratched.
While the Combine interviews are good to listen to, I realized that I wanted to see these guys in action again. My big board has been assembled now for about a week, and I have long since replaced all of my college torrents, so it has actually been awhile since I really sat down and watched these prospects, and reinforced and reminded myself of why I have them ranked where they are.
Well, far be it from me to withhold the fruits of this morning's labor.
Below are four pretty good videos, a little bad a little good, for four of the DL-type prospects that DB.com highlighted this morning, as well as some quick thoughts about where I think the Broncos may have these guys slotted. Enjoy.
Derrick Morgan
- If you are having trouble spotting #91 in the video, just look for the first guy off the ball on every snap.
- Note how he moves around on the line, DT, both DE spots. Definite R-OLB candidate, lots of skills.
- Sadly no dropbacks here, and only a few for his career, mostly gimmicky stuff. Reports from the combine had him doing very well in the LB drills, though. I'm looking forward to seeing how or if he gets a chance to develop those skills in the NFL.
- He gets some time in vs. Bulaga, and does well. If you ever get the chance, the whole battle for that game was a good one to watch. Not flashy, but very dramatic stuff, if DL-OL battles are your thing. You'll get to watch Moeaki as well, which is fun. I think Riley Reiff (last I heard he was recruited as a DE) is the RT. Who knew that the guy with the facebook status "is getting arrested half-naked behind the Pita-Pit," was a shutdown RT? :)
- I could list about 100 more things I like in there, but I'll limit myself and end it here by noting how often he gets hits and pressures even when the QB sees him coming. A great first step and great closing instincts: in other words, a great start and a great finish. This guy is a clearcut frontrunner for the #11 pick.
DE Jason Piere-Paul
- Another strong pass-rush candidate. Nice long arms, knows how to get em up in the passing lanes, plenty of deflected passes to his credit
- Not to stout against the run, lanky guys like him usually have trouble wading through the garbage at the line, he is no exception. Still, he flashed on a couple of interior moves where he got penetration.
- A handful of really polished moves, but I can't picture him anywhere except at rush OLB in the 3-4. Not the most versatile defender in this group.
- Fast, and an above average jump off the ball. Actually, the better way of saying that, is when he gets jump, he is very fast, but he doesn't get off the line consistently.
- Not to ruin him for you before he has had an honest chance, but he reminds me a bit of Jarvis Moss when he was a Gator, only less raw, with more technical finesse.
- He edges into the top 15, but I think Denver will look at him as a bottom of the list guy at their #11 spot. With so many suitable options in the top ten however, I can't envision a scenario where the Broncos cupboard gets picked bare enough. But stranger things have happened.
DL Dan Williams
- A little NT in there, a little DT. Measurables not quite the perfect fit for the nose, and despite his amazing lower body build, he can be held at the point of attack.
- Does a really good job of shedding, and sticking with plays, which is good to see. That kind of work ethic can go a long ways, no doubt.
- Good technical showing, but what you see on a lot of the plays isn't going to help him play the nose. For such a low built guy, he gets stood up an awful lot. Too many times he went straight backwards on running plays.
- I wouldn't want to be tackled by this guy. I remember the first time I saw him noting how hard of a hitter he is for an interior DL, and that hasn't changed.
- I can't see Denver looking at this guy as a legitimate NT, but he has a very unique lower body build that makes him different from most NT candidates. I'd rather see him stay in a 4-3, put some of those moves on display. Brian Price is another guy that is similar, and I have both of them ranked near eachother in the high second round. If Denver likes them, I expect they will see if they are there at #40-45, no earlier than that.
DL Lamarr Houston
- More of a 3-4 end and one of the better fits in this group. #33 in the video (wierd number)
- Lots to like, but mostly as flashes. No closing speed to speak of, struggles to shed blocks.
- My favorite thing about him is how he doesn't fall off vs. the run. He really gets good leg drive and holds the line, which if he is ever asked to play DT, will suit him well. Out at the 5-tech he did ok, and he does a great job of keeping defenders from locking him up, overall.
- Great bull rush, and good overall speed. We get to see him here chasing down a few plays, and the guy is no stranger to hustle.
- He had plenty of time at DT earlier in his career, and you can see the remnants of that here. He is a patient guy sniffing out the screen or option, though without any acceleration to speak of he can be caught flatfooted.
- As a guy rounding out the top 100 or so overall, the Broncos could look at him as early as #80. There should be a number of talented guys going around that time, so it could be ideal placement if the Broncos find themselves targeting OL (or something else) in the first two rounds.
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I can only fairly comment on Morgan
as I have seen him a lot since I follow ACC football. Last season I saw him play Clemson twice, Iowa, UVA and Wake Forest and to me I am not impressed with all the hype. Firstly it is going to take him a little while to adjust to pass coverage. Although this is not necessarily his fault I do expect the 11th overall pick (for which he is not worth) to be able to have some idea how to cover. The only times I have seen him have to cover is against Wooster (WF TE) and Palmer (Clemson TE) and he did not do well.
I also do not think his motor runs on full on every play where as McClain, Kindle and Sapp’s do. In the ACC championship game he was met one on one with a RT and occasionally chipped by a WR and was taken out of the game at times by a not very solid blocking team. The same can be said at Wake Forest. He took himself out of the game by over pursuing, taking the wrong angles. In the wet at UVA he routinely got pushed back by an average OT.
You are right he is quick of the ball and has one or two nice moves but I would be disappointed if I saw Denver draft him in the 1st when the likes of Wetherspoon, Sapp and possibly Graham would and could be drafted with a lower pick
I'm not easily dissappointed by draft stuff
all I ask any of the players get is a fair shake. I just like so many of them, it is hard for me not to find things I appreciate. In the list of games you saw there, I think you just listed his worst games of his career, lol… For sure Iowa was his worst game, and the UVA game wasn’t great. But even for being bad games, I still was able to get down a lot on him in those games, just because he is so active. I think he can be mentally taken out of a game, maybe overthinking his role or something, but I agree, he doesn’t come across on film as a “wind-up and let er rip” kind of guy. One issue I have with the games where he gets shut down is that in those games he constanttly tries to just rip down the edge, and rarely varies his attack. I can’t imagine why that is, because in the past two years he has demonstrated one of the best overall technical arsenals from any 3 point stance guy I have looked at. That is why I think you might be mistaken as characterizing him as only having one or two moves: I see a LOT of moves, and a lot of setup going on. But yeah, he has been shut down by some odd ducks, no doubt. He has also blown away and performed well against some serious competition, and more consistently than the times he gets frustrated.
And thanks for weighing in on his pass coverage, that is valuable insight. I think he needs to get coached up on it, no doubt about it. Mayock said he looked good running LB backpedals, so for right now that is good enough for me, given how much I like some of his other tools (his burst, acceleration and tech ability specifically). He is a smart guy, and I think he can develop some pass coverage skills.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 21, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Brit, you clearly have better insight into this guy than most, so I do not discount your analysis
When I looked at 6:01 on the tape, that play, my god, I thought, this is the sort of dude that, when one talks about making a play, can become a disruptive force.
At 7:43 on the tape, you can see why Bulaga is the #1 tackle in this draft, but earlier, Morgan, instead of spinning wildly, actually does the right thing against a good tackle with good feet: power rush them.
Abide, the dude does. Know you not, but comfort in that I take.
Hi TJ,
agree on your point regarding Bulaga at 7:43 – reminds me of Clady. Although, after watching some video on Okung, I think he is far and away the #1 OT in the draft..
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by SteveAssassin on Mar 21, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
Great work Jeremy
Anything on Cam Thomas? I have not seen a ton of film on him, but if I’m believing what I’m reading, he seems like an ideal nose tackle candidate. I really like Derrick Morgan, but I think we should look elsewhere in the first round. I wouldn’t be disappointed if we took him though.
I love talking Iowa ball, and you are right in that Riley Reiff was originally recruited as a DE, much like Bulaga who was recruited as a DT. Seems like a lot of Iowa’s best linemen start off their careers at other positions. Robert Gallery was a TE coming into college.
I was unaware that Reiff was an idiot, however. What a fool. He’s from South Dakota, so he must be making up for lost time, or what he feels was lost time.
Moeaki made a couple of nice plays in the Orange Bowl, and it seems his best film comes against the biggest competition. The only thing keeping him out of the first round is a lengthy injury history, which will scare some scouts away from taking him in rounds 1-3, but he should be a lock for the fourth round at the latest after strong workouts.
You and I are in complete agreement on Dan Williams. People assume just because he’s 325 pounds he’s an ideal nose tackle candidate. We have a similarly built player in Chris Baker who has just as much, if not more collegiate production. What raises my eyebrow to Williams is that he was never more than mediocre in college until Monte Kiffin installed the Tampa 2, and I think his best bet is, like you said, in the 4-3 scheme at the next level. The Vikings would be an excellent fit in the first round, but I think he’s a 2nd rounder overall.
I’m not huge on Jason Pierre Paul, or any DE/OLB’s in the first round unless they can produce as a pass rusher. Paul fits that bill, but He reminds me too much of Jarvis Moss, like you indicated.
I wouldn’t mind adding LaMarr Houston in the 4th, maybe the third at the earliest. He had a great national championship, and Alabama is one of the top rushing teams in the country. That was a nice showing.
Again, awesome job!
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Sayre...with all due respect, you have been all over the board with Dan Williams
One week you say to draft him and the next week you don’t. Jeremy, very solid analysis and I agree with a lot of it.
1. Obviously I am a Dan Williams fan but I acknowledge he may not be a pure 3-4 NT, though I think he may be. His build is unique and because of that, it would be hard to put him into a box or match him up with someone similar. I have seen Dan Williams play several games and other that taking plays off every now and then, which a lot of similar fatties tend to do, he has been solid. I watched him manhandle Maurkice Pouncey, which was very impressive. I watched him dictate the pace and force a double team against Iupati in the Senior Bowl. I watched him in his Bowl game (I forget the name) constantly penetrate the line.
In the games I have seen him play, he has always been double-teamed. It was very telling, though not earth-shattering, that Dan Williams was lined up next to Terrance Cody in the Senior Bowl and Dan Williams was the d-lineman drawing all the double-teams, not Cody.
Every game I have seen him play (maybe about six or so) he was at best a disruptor and at worst an immovable wall. Which games do you show him being stood up on a lot? I will go back on my DVR and see if I have it.
2. I think if we are going to look at Derrick Morgan as an OLB candidate, then we must also look at Brandon Graham, who I think is currently undervalued. Graham led the nation in tackles for loss and has shown consistent production. I have heard, and admittedly have no evidence, that Morgan is not as strong against the run. However, Graham is viewed as being equally good at run-stopping and rushing the QB. Obviously, Graham would not have the size to move to a DE spot where Morgan might.
3. I wonder about LaMarr Houston. I love the hometown stuff etc. but I wonder if he is a little overvalued. If you take away his bowl game, where he was a stud, would many people even know about this guy? I don’t think so. You are right, I have seen games where he is dominant and other games where he is dominated.
4. Jeremy, I would like to see you come up with a mock or a top 25 player list, or something similar.
I have not been all over the board about him
I have suggested drafting him only if we have two first round picks, yes, but I have not ever been extremely high on him as a prospect. I refuse to believe he is good value with the 11th overall pick unless we have another 2nd round pick.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 21, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks swg, always look forward to your thoughts
1. I like DW too, and I think he will be a scary dude in a 4-3, so I have a natural inclination to want to see him in one. I also like that he seems to rise to the challenge, always a good sign. The VaTech game (which is covered quite a bit in the above video) is a good example of why I grade him where I do, around #37. I should note, first of all, when I talk about him getting stood up, I am referring to the run game ONLY. The dude is a manimal pushing the pocket around, and just generally squirting past hapless blockers. He is the kind of guy I used to want Shanny to draft (and thought we got in Thomas…ahh well. There is still time). But in the run game, he just doesn’t consistently hold his ground. Stepping back a yard in that game wasn’t uncommon, and trust me, I don’t get it. He just sort of…stalls. I don’t think it is tired or lack of motor, so it must be a technique thing. His hips are up, his legs are close together, so he could be losing the early game of low man wins, but it is just too hard to tell.
2. Graham absolutely should be on the board. I honestly think if he goes to the right situation we will probably be talking about him as the best LB in the draft. DROTY if things pan out good, like they did for Orakpo. But this first pick to me is about total tool set, and I just see Graham with fewer overall tools than Morgan, specifically the DL tools. That said, right time, right place, I would be stoked for Graham to be a Bronco. I really want to maximize that first pick, and there are so many options, including OTs who might fall. Hell, I even want Bradford at that spot, and I am the last person who wants to see a QB controversey. It is about the tools and what situations we can put the player in, and what other combinations of players the pick leads to…
3.As I mentioned to Sayre, he has performed against some good running teams, so there is some real value there, but overall, yeah he is an up and down guy. If you can try and find plays from his first two years, when he was primarily a DT. He has developed nicely. He belongs in a top 100 conversation. Barely. Also, I have a feeling he will be more motivated in a 4-3… nothing solid to that reasoning, I just feel like I’m picking that up from the way he talks about his first few years, the assignments he likes, that sort of thing. I could be way off there.
4.If you’ve seen one you’ve seen em all right? I had my BBAD100 scheduled for the 12th (Broncos Big Aluminum Draftboard), but that was the day that Davis was cut, and a lot of good news went up (and then the Quinn trade happened right after). In the end I honestly just thought it was a little anticlimactic and, frankly, boring. Here is a top 25 though, just for you:
1. Ndamukong Suh – DT – Nebraska – 6’4" 300
2. Gerald McCoy – DT – Oklahoma – 6’4" 300
3.Eric Berry – FS – Tennessee – 5’11" 200
4. Russell Okung – OT – Oklahoma St – 6’5" 310
5. Sam Bradford – QB – Oklahoma – 6’4" 220
6. Brian Bulaga – OT – Iowa – 6’7" 320
7. *Rolando McLain – LB – Alabama – 6’2" 245
8. Joe Haden – CB – Florida – 5’10" 180
9. Derrick Morgan – DE – Georgia Tech – 6’5" 270
10 Jimmy Clausen – QB – Notre Dame – 6’3" 215
11 Earl Thomas – S – Texas – 5’10" 195
12. Jason Pierre-Paul – DE- South Florida – 6’5" 260
13 Trent Williams – OT – Oklahoma – 6’5" 320
14 Anthony Davis – OT – Rutgers – 6’5" 325
15 Taylor Mays – S – Southern Cal – 6’3" 235
16. C.J. Spiller – RB – Clemson – 5’11" 195
17 Dez Bryant – WR – Oklahoma St – 6’2" 215
18 Sergio Kindle – LB – Texas – 6’4" 255
19.Carlos Dunlap – DE – Florida – 6’6" 285
20. Brandon Graham – DE – Michigan – 6’1" 265
21. Sean Weatherspoon – LB – Missouri – 6’1" 240
22. Jared Odrick – DT – Penn St – 6’4" 300 – 5.0
23. Mike Iupati – OG – Idaho – 6’5" 330 – 5.2
24. Bruce Campbell – OT – Maryland – 6’6" 320
25. Patrick Robinson – CB – Florida St – 5’11" 190
note: McClain’s disease obviously has me gunshy. But from a pure talent perspective, this is where he rates…..
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 21, 2010 5:51 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the reply,
I can’t argue with much of it. Your big board is interesting to me. You are right, most are the same, I agree. I agree with almost all of it, here is where I don’t.
1. Living on the west coast and watching the Pac 10 every Saturday, I got to watch Brian Price a lot. I think he is a prospect that is currently undervalued and will be a monster 4-3 DT. I wonder about the pros and cons of him in a 3-4. Obviously his shorter stature is the most obvious hurdle. However, I think he is at worst a top twenty talent and at best a top fifteen talent.
2. I can’t help but think, like many others, that Jason Pierre Paul has major bust written all over him. I could not, in good conscience, put him in my top 20. With him, I’m thinking the classic workout warrior. Maybe I’m wrong.
3. I would swap Patrick Robinson with the Boise State CB Kyle Wilson.
4. Brandon Graham, I think, is worthy of #9 or #10. I have my doubts that he will make it past the Dolphins at #12.
Thanks again for the interesting article. Keep them coming!
SWG, I couldn't have put it any better myself regarding Williams
If we can get him or Berry at #11, I will be a happy camper.
It’s amazing how fast both Berry and Williams have risen up the draft boards in the last 2 months. I initially thought both would be there at #11. Now , it’s possible that neither could me. And I fear Dez Bryant.
Abide, the dude does. Know you not, but comfort in that I take.
Last year at this time we were talking Taylor Mays as God's gift to football.
Funny how thing change and who would of ever thought in a million years that KC would have taken Tyson Jackson at #3? The 2nd to last DE in the league and I would think you would want a guy who makes noise at #3.
I almost emailed you about Reiff
I was looking around on rosters to see how to spell his name and no one had him listed, so I looked him up in my database, and he was a DE… At that point I was like “WTF??” and almost fired off an email so you could sort it out, but luckily the next link I clicked was an old Hawkeye press release that had the starting roster in it for the Orange Bowl. It sounds like Reiff was at G too, before moving over to OT. I watched a lot of Hawkeye ball, too, and never noticed. OF course, that was for Bulaga and Moeaki and a few others… Reiff isn’t even on my watchlist yet.
Houston Vs. the run makes me really wonder who takes him and where. He has earned his stripes so I think his name might have a little more play in some warrooms around the NFL. I really hope he lands on a 3-4 team, but I think he personally wants to play 4-3 one-gap DT…. Maybe he and the Broncos will get a chance to meet in the middle.. :)
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 21, 2010 5:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Riley Reiff
He had to fill in at multiple positions this year. I believe he stepped in at LT for Bulaga when Bryan had an illness. That was Reiff’s first significant playing time, if I remember right. He has experience at left guard I believe, but I cannot recall who he replaced. I should probably know that. My guess would be Dace Richardson, but that would mean he filled in at left guard. I know Dace missed some time this year with an injury, so it’s quite probable that Reiff played some RG as well.
I think they inserted him in the starting RT spot and kicked Calloway into guard, but I could be wrong. The hope (for me anyway) is that Reiff can kick out to left tackle this year and beyond, and our four star recruit Andrew Donnal (another prospect to keep an eye on as an early entry in 2013/14) who is 6’7" and a super athletic guy. Heck, you might just flip flop those two guys around.
This is getting my giddy about Hawkeye football. They are chock full of NFL talent for the next few years, especially at running back. Obviously the prize will be Adrian Clayborn next year, and his partner in crime Christian Ballard would be a nice add as well. Those guys have prototypical skills and size for 3-4 linemen, so you should watch for them this year also.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 21, 2010 9:58 PM MDT up reply actions
very good
interesting info. Is Morgan then not able to line up as LDE b/c he’s too light or why do you see him as OLB?
by Orange and Blue on Mar 21, 2010 4:16 PM MDT reply actions
He could go into a 3 point stance at L or R DE
The R-OLB designation has more to do with a conversation I have had with Colinski from time to time, about R-OLB being a sort of catchall for DL skills like pass rushing. I personally wouldn’t want to see him in the base 3-4 vs. the run, though he is one of the better “balanced” players in this draft in terms of run defense and pass rush. I see him as a set of skills that, if moved around, could be in on a lot of different situations. I could see him playing ROLB in the 3-4 on first down, LDE on 2nd and 8, one gap DT on a 3rd and 3 where interior runs are still a threat but you want a pocket collapsing presence inside on the pass…. It is really all about the toolset and finding ways to get it on the field in locations where we currently have limited toolsets on the roster.
Having said that, he isn’t perfect: at OLB his coverage skills are total unknowns with only hints as to being bad or good. At LDE in the 3-4 he could get caught in the wash in certain situational running downs, and wouldn’t be much protection for his backers in those cases… Whether he goes to the Broncos or not, I am excited to see how he develops, similar to how I was excited about seeing where Knowshon landed last year. Lucky me he landed in Denver….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 21, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
About Dan Williams...
Your biggest concerns for Williams, are the same issues we had with Robert Ayers(we like Ayers BTW):
1. 1 yr wonders?
2. Started playing when $$ was on the line
3. Never played “all out”, may have taken plays off during college!
Don’t know if it’s a maturity issue, a greed issue, or talent issue? But I like what I’ve seen in Ayers (kind os reminds me of Tim Crowder?) to date, but 2010 is critical for him and us. Note…I said Crowder, not Moss!!! Lastly, I really like what I’ve seen from Dan Williams, BUT I’d rather have Cam Thomas in 2nd round! Less money, equal upside, less risk, more value!!!!
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Evry I am amazed at the meticulous work done by the MH staff. JB this is just too cool of a contribution. Thank You for your time, and waaay much energy for usn’s..
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Mar 21, 2010 4:47 PM MDT reply actions
I like LaMarr Houston's work ethic.
Thanks Jeremy.
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SO does this mean the Broncos are targeting Cody?
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lol
that was my first thought… “Well, we won’t be taking any of these guys.”
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 21, 2010 5:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice work, Styg.
I love the post. But I still think everyone is overlooking T. Cody at the #11 pick. As I’ve said before, I don’t think McD is afraid to reach at any pick to get the guy he wants, and I think he knows that a strong NT is an essential piece of any good 3-4. Cody would be well positioned to learn behind J. Williams and then take over as a stud, centerpiece of the D going forward.
I don’t actually think Cody deserves a high 1st round grade, but we all know that consensus draft grades don’t necessarily match up with McD’s strategy when the big day comes.
Should be interesting..
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Enjoyed watching
but I had trouble seeing the upside on some of these guys.
Morgan looked good for the most part. He did tend to over pursue: I was reminded of the chapter in “The Blind Side” (the football book, not the abominable chick flick Hollywood turned it into) talking about how the 49ers developed the strategy of letting Taylor speed rush himself right out of the play. I’d be happy to see him in a Broncos uniform.
I am very unimpressed with Pierre-Paul. He looked like he was flailing around quite a bit, and seemed to be consistently behind the play, especially on the run plays. Rushing, he certainly was closing off the pocket, but he didn’t seem to be collapsing it. I also note that on at least one of his blocked passes in the video he was actually badly out of position and it was a bad decision/throw by the QB. This guy looks more like a long-term project, and I’m not quite seeing how he is making it into the top 15 draft picks. What am I missing?

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