Spencer Larsen - IT'S ABOUT TIME
It sounds like our new D-coordinator (former LB coach) is wasting no time in doing something we should've done a long time ago by giving Spencer Larsen a shot to start at ILB. All I have to say is, IT'S ABOUT TIME!!! I remember the Atlanta game in '08, when he and Woodyard started - that was the best our linebacking corp had looked in 5 years. We shut down Michael Turner and the league's second leading rushing attack. Then, inexplicably, he was pulled in favor of Ian Gold or whoever other crappy linebacker we had and we couldn't stop anyone for the rest of the entire year. Since then I've asked several times, "Why in the name of god do we not play this guy regularly on defense?" He is a tough, hard-hitting, smart, active, versatile player who can cover and stop the run. How has it taken our team - between our last two head coaches - this long to give him a shot at the starting job. I'm not saying we should take him off of special teams.
I know he's versatile. I know he can play fullback. That's fine, but who cares when the guy obviously appears to have elite potential as a linebacker? Kudos to our staff (probably Wink) for finally realizing this and reportedly allowing this kid to focus his energy on his natural position - Linebacker. I don't know about you guys, but the idea of starting DJ, Elvis, Larsen and then Ayers or Haggan (whoever earns the job at OLB) really appeals to me. If Haggan would be better at ILB and he earns the spot, fine. I just don't see how we could have a better option at ILB for next year than Spencer Larsen, unless we take McClain in the 1st. Again, this appears to have Wink's fingerprints all over it. He must have seen something in Larsen that Shanny and Nolan missed. If inserting Spencer Larsen into the rotation is one of Wink's first initiatives, I like this guy already.
(For those of you who don't know what I'm talking about, check the FANSHOTS section for a link to the profootball weekly blurb about this).
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GJ; I hope you’re right about Larsen getting his chance to compete for starting ILB. One thing I know about him he’s smart and a leads by example. Said another way “he’s a football player”.
oc60
While I like him
I haven’t seen anything outside of fan talk and one PFT article that would suggest he is moving up in the lineup, and if her were to move up, he would have to compete against a pretty good group of other LB’s. This is really just an extension of Jeremy Bolander’s post.
My emptiness says it doesn't care.
Right . . .
hence the reference to it at the end of my post. Maybe read it all next time?
by GJcontingent-rAd on Mar 22, 2010 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey I didn't mean
To be rude, I was just was just saying, sorry man.
My emptiness says it doesn't care.
by Topher Doll on Mar 22, 2010 12:17 AM MDT up reply actions
As an additional inquiry,
Does anyone think that this might be another signpost in the road to us drafting a FB? Our offense is now seriously lacking a powerful blocking/receving style FB who can carry the ball if we suffer too many RB injuries. No dbout Spencer could still do it in an extreme bind (like we had in 2008) but I think we need another RB or two on the roster, and one that is the protoypical FB.
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
by Alexander Wall on Mar 21, 2010 11:50 PM MDT reply actions
doubt it
I think when Champ mentioned maybe Haggan coming over, that its more likely someone else will be well above Larsen at ILB. I think Kelley could be someone that gets as good a look as Larsen. Neither got much time there last year and Wink may think both have potential.
To think Larsen is the main guy getting a look d/n seem too plausible. He barely played there last year.
With the big D line, could it be that Woodyard is expected to have more freedom to run around and play 2st and 2nd downs???
I like how that sounds also.
Woodyard is outstanding in coverage, though we haven’t gotten to see him play against the run much. I think he might be able to fill that position though, because he seems to have no problems shedding blocks and following the direction of the runner on Kickoffs.
I think you might be on to something here Bideshi.
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
by Alexander Wall on Mar 21, 2010 11:55 PM MDT up reply actions
There are supposed to be several FB types this year
I’’ve read that a few may slide to CFA after this year’s draft. If so, that might be a good option. I don’t have any doubt after watching the film that we ran the ball better behind Larsen, but we also were better on STs when he was in and I tend to believe that the same will be true if he takes the reps at ILB. He’s a littler slow in man coverage to be perfect for the position (but fast and intelligent enough for zone) but that’s a problem with nearly any LB. I hope they give him a few games to get used to the position – I suspect that he’ll fill in well, if they do.
The overage issue leads me to wonder if Josh Barrett has developed enough to put him on the TEs in the nickel package yet. He’s shown flashes of real talent there, but hasn’t gained a great deal of PT so far. I hope that he can make this the season that he breaks out in that regard – he’s doing pretty good work on STs, also, so getting him on the field more is a reasonable next step.
Since we also have the inhouse situations of Wesley Woodyard, Dustin Fry, Matt McChesney, Chris Baker et al, I have to wonder if we are seeing the start of the process of developing talent in house rather than trading for them or using higher draft picks. A blend of the three is essential, eventually, but the ability to develop people over a few years is a skill that teams like PIT and NE seem to have mastered in great part. To me, that would be one good sign that the new management team would be working out well.
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by Doc Bear on Mar 22, 2010 12:55 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Ian Gold was still on our team?
And before you bad mouth him remember that he got his start on ST, just like TD and your current love Larsen. Granted he sucked when he came back from TB, but that year we had him, Al, and it was either DJ or Mobeley (can’t remember, can’t be bothered to look it up this late…) our linebacking corps was beast. He just couldn’t play without Al. Come to think of it, no one on our D could…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
I said Gold but
It was Nate Webster – even worse.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Mar 22, 2010 6:36 AM MDT up reply actions
I've always liked Larsen as a late round STeams players ....but
Not sold! He’s a roleplayer…no more! We need a stud! He spot started in 08 and looked completely out of place…sorry! And anyone would look better if paired to Nate Webster? He not quick, and he couldn’t anybody…neither can woodyard. We saw Woodyard be horribly exploited by colts last year when Dallas Clark embarassed him and scored 2x with Wesley in coverage! Face it, we need a new, bigger, athletic ILB to come in…leave Larsen to support ST’s and spot FB duties.
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree hogblog
and only time will tell. Not sure what you mean by “completely out of place.” I don’t think that’s accurate at all. Also, I’m not arguing woodyard should start, just that Larsen should be allowed to focus on LB so that we can see if he can be a regular starter. I think he can and I think he’s got a lot more ability than you’re giving him credit for. Also, I have absolutely no idea what’s relevant about what round he was drafted in. Once you’re in the league, the only thing that matters is whether you can play – see Rod Smith, Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharp, Willie Middlebrooks, George Foster, Jarvis Moss, Marcus Nash . . . Spencer Larsen is a football player, regardless of where he was drafted.
by GJcontingent-rAd on Mar 22, 2010 6:45 AM MDT up reply actions
GJ I agree with Hogblog to a certain degree.
And I’ll use the term ‘value’ as he does in his exclaimation. When we look at players with our eyes we sometimes form subtle admiration in our brain for that player and let the little tangible features slip through our consciousness. Intangibles typically refer to the value driver that differentiates one player’s performance from another. The difference between Woodyard and Larsen is, we have Woodyard’s play at ILBer on film, where Larsen’s play hasn’t been defined or evidenced for evaluation. We know what Woodyard brings to the field in his athleticism and play. He excels in one area (tackling, shedding blocks, and making plays on the edges) and struggles at times in other areas of the field (covering TEs and RBs in passing plays). So, when we speak of Woodyard as how valuable he is to the teams overall picture, then we must decide how to use him appropriately as to get the greatest amount of value we can out of him. Along with Larsen, Woodyard plays on special teams and is a very good gunner and does his job quite well. We could to a conclusion that both of these valuable players have struck their niche in football, situational downs and special teams. Again, the problem we have with Larsen is no real playing time in positional (ILB) play othe than the times he started and subbed in ‘07 and ’08, which was very little time to assess. I believe Wink and Nunnely will take a good look at all of the possibilities that I stated earlier in this thread and we have another consideration as well. Braxton Kelly and his situation and what his contribution to the team will be. I really don’t think the coaches are to concerned with selecting an ILB early in the draft, but will get one later on and maybe even in CFA. Right now every player will be training for a spot and any speculation of who will get the start nod is just that.
the value of ILBs
I really don’t think the coaches are to concerned with selecting an ILB early in the draft, but will get one later on .."
I wrote on this last year shortly after the draft. NFL teams don’t value ILBs because they’re not considered 3-down players. OLBs, on the other hand, have maintained their value. Examples such as Ellerbe, a UDFA, demonstrate how much ILB has been devalued. (Note: Ellerbe has some red flags but other ILB prospects also illustrate this, such as Maualuga.)
As a result, there are many ILBs later in the draft who might suit our needs, and that assumes that we’re intent of filling the position — which may not be the case.
Also, OLBs or ILBs with coverage ability are probably going to rank much higher on our Big Board.
Donald Washington (3rd rd.) has popped up lately as a choice, and I think he illustrates the draft criteria I’m emphasizing perfectly. Another prospect who will come cheaper is Jamar Chaney (4 – 5rd.). And there are some others in that range worthy of selection, besides some intriguing likely UDFAs. I see no reason we’d want to reach at this position, it’s far better to let the draft come to us.
BTW — we’ve suffered from some Groupthink on the need for drafting this position, along with suffering the lasting impression made by memories of Webster. The fact that Davis was released should tell us something about our specific needs as well as the state of ILB league-wide.
no goats, no glory.
We can agree we both like him and...
He adds value to our team, as does Wesley. We just don’t agree on his value and what his most impactful role should be. I’m fine with ST star and FB. Maybe you’re right! If so , and he proves to our coaches that he’s the right man, I’ll cheer him and sing his praises every Sunday. That, I can promise ya! I hope ur right….because I’ve always liked him.
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
I'd like to see this
If not just to see him light up a few more people each year. But on the other hand, I’m still on the McClain bandwagon.
I will care about the LB corps
after we fix the DL. Few LBs could look good for very long behind our DL of the past several years.
by Orange Crush II on Mar 22, 2010 4:24 PM MDT reply actions
who will replace Andra Davis?
As some of us suggested, it’s Haggan; not Larsen. Personally, I think they’ll share the position or we may draft another ILB (for the future) if he happens to be the BPA. I’ve written on this subject recently and I see two general courses of action — don’t replace Davis and use Haggan & Larsen, etc., or, draft a faster ILB with pass coverage ability.
Haggan in the middle?
http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_14735781 ( Bronco’s new D-Line )
For now, Davis’ inside linebacker spot will be taken by Mario Haggan, who started at strongside outside linebacker last season.
“Mario’s got the flexibility to do both,” McDaniels said. “He could play ‘Mike,’ and right now that’s the intent — although I’m not going to rule anything out and make a decision on that in March. There’s a long way to go.”
no goats, no glory.
CLARIFICATION
I just noticed that McDaniels isn’t properly cited for the quote above. In case there is any question about who’s speaking, it’s from a DP article in which McDaniels is interviewed.
no goats, no glory.

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