Horse Tracks - 3/24/10 - OT Change Approved
by John Bena on Mar 24, 2010 7:08 AM MDT
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Good Morning Broncos Country! The NFL Owners approved a change to Overtime rules in the Playoffs, moving from a true sudden death model to one that could give each team an opportunity at the ball. I guess I'll call it the Brett Favre Rule since in reality that is what it is. In this year's NFC Championship Game, the Saints and Vikings went to Overtime. The Saints won the toss, got the ball, moved it a bit, took advantage of a defensive penalty and kicked a 47-yard FG to win. That created an outcry that both teams not getting the ball was in some way unfair. While we've heard this in the past, nothing like happened this year, with Favre's Vikings smack-dab in the middle. I won't sit here and say the NFL's OT rules weren't without fault - they were. What I am saying is that I am not a fan of knee-jerk reactions, especially those that are made for the sake of public relations. Consider this - since 1958, a postseason game has gone to Overtime 28 times. ONLY SIX TIMES has the game ended on the first possession. SIX TIMES! That's 21%. Sure, the NFL Owners should look for every opportunity to improve the game, and the NFL has looked at this subject in the past, but the urgency to get it done, after PR machine Favre is the one affected by it, seems needless, at least to me. If you want to change Overtime, play football - for 15 minutes. Add a quarter. You've played football for 60 minutes, why not play another 15? Football is the ultimate team sport. Keep the entire team in the process of winning - or losing - the game.
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I completely agree about OT
I like the idea of something different, but I think it would make more sense to just throw in another quarter.
Go Jacks!
Good to see some South Dakota boys getting some looks.
by blackhillsbronx on Mar 24, 2010 8:42 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
John, we are as one on the OT rule change....
It’s still “Sudden Death”….sort of…..
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Really
I think the Owner’s could spend their time more wisely on the economic situation instead. So the CBA doesn’t need overtime.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Yeah, now it is the first team to score 6 points.
I totally think the new rule is stipid. I am all aboard with John on this one. If you change it then make it a full quarter. The teams have 60 minutes to win in regulation.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
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2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
OT RULE CHANGE
Should be for all games that end in a tie during regulation time, not just in postseason. We will now have different rules in the postseason than we have in the regular season, just don’t seem right.
Yeah.
On NFL Live yesterday, they mentioned something about another vote. At the next owners meeting, they’ll try and vote to get the same overtime rules in the regular season, as well.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 24, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
We already had different rules
for regular season and post season. In the regular season, it was just a tie.
good point
i’d like to see them the same
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 24, 2010 3:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Couldn't agree more, John.
I’d even be happy with a shorter OT period…say, 10 minutes?
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- Sun Tzu
I'm flexible there...
I just want it to be football. Why make it harder than it needs to be?
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by John Bena on Mar 24, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wow, you think the owners know this?
since 1958, a postseason game has gone to Overtime 28 times. ONLY SIX TIMES has the game ended on the first possession. SIX TIMES! That’s 21%.
Talk about a knee-jerk reaction. Stupid Favre, can he retire allready.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
And here you thought only WR's could be primadonnas.
Lol.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Mar 24, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope Favre loses a game under that #@!! rule
The rule is utter nonsense.
Attn. owners, you might want to dust the cobwebs outta your octogenarian brains and see if this news clipping from January 1987 rings a bell?
It took a breathtaking 98-yard march, ending with a touchdown in the final seconds of the fourth quarter, for the Broncos to tie the score. Then, after Elway had positioned them close enough in overtime, the quarterback told Rich Karlis, the kicker, to make believe it was a routine practice boot and win the game with a 33-yard field goal.
Karlis did, after 5 minutes 48 seconds of overtime.
Remember that?
Granted, this victory would have counted even under the new rule. But the point to me is that even though the Browns won the toss in OT, the Denver D stopped them cold, then the Broncos won because they were the first to score.
As it should be, imho.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 24, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Agree with you a million times over.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Yeah, I've got italics, too.
All of the fanposts show up in italics for me, as well. I feel like I’m taking crazy pills or something.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 24, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions
lol, <3 zoolander
Yea, I thought maybe somebody left off a closing . So I tried to introduce a floating in my comment. No luck… who knew italics could be so hard to read en masse. =/
LOL
I know I closed that italics tag! Swear!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 24, 2010 6:18 PM MDT up reply actions
testing part deux
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 24, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
six times! Six times maybe the wrong team went to the championship game.
This seems pretty big to me.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 24, 2010 3:03 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't see the big deal with the OT rule changes
Now you have to score 6 points to win in OT. What’s so horrible with that? A quick FG will no longer cut it. Now teams will be trying to punch it in for a TD in OT. Seems to me this only makes the product on the field better. Personally, I would rather see a TD to win OT than a quick anticlamatical FG after only a couple of plays of OT.
The only mistake I see is not making this the rule for regular season as well.
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Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Since it would guarantee longer overtimes...
The networks wouldn’t want to cut any more into their prime time schedules.
by Velveeta on Mar 24, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
What the networks seem to not comprehend is that any NFL game is greater than any primetime television show.
Ratings are higher for NFL games than for other stuff. If anything, the networks should encourage a longer overtime. Longer games mean more viewers and more commercial breaks, which equals more $$$$$$$.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 24, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I think that would be a reason against the full 15 min OT period suggestion
But having to score 6 points instead of 3 to win OT wouldn’t extend OT by that much. Besides, NFL games get huge ratings compared to other programming so I’m sure the Networks would get over it.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
I think it would be a reason FOR it.
NFL = ratings. That’s why all the networks fight for the contracts.
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Not exactly.
If the team that wins the coin toss and receives the ball gets a field goal, the other team gets a possession. If the second team scores a field goal, then it goes to sudden death. So the next team to score (safety, field goad, whatever) wins. If the second team doesn’t score, the games over. So no, you don’t have to score six points to win in overtime.
Thanks for the clarification
I still don’t see what all the fuss is about. This will encourage teams to try for a TD in OT instead of only needing to get into FG range to win it. If you do have to settle for a FG, then your D has to get a stop.
I would prefer a simple, must score 6 to win in OT rule but this is an improvement over the current rules IMO. Hopefully they adopt this for reg season as well.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
agreed... I think the new strategies that are introduced to OT by these rules
Will make for much more interesting OT sessions. It is just so cookie cutter at the moment.
Anybody else catch the loophole?
According to one analyst on ESPN, the NFL clarified that you could still win with just a field goal IF you kicked off the period with an onside kick and recovered it…interpretation—-both teams had a chance to have the ball, but the receiving team muffed it.
My problem with that interpretation is that it could mean that in the prior rules, BOTH TEAMS HAD CHANCE TO CONTROL THE BALL…if the kicking team had the stone cold nerves to try it.
wow
Nice point there, Idaho!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 26, 2010 5:44 AM MDT up reply actions
"No, I didn't see that. I don't even know what a seaplane is. Like the letter C?"
Really Josh…a “C” plane? A “C” plane?!!?
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That cracked me up too...
After reading the number of times some of these questions were repeated, I’m surprised he refrained from lapsing into sarcasm until the end of the interview.
So why not just get rid of the coin flip?
Just go straight into additional time without any change of possession or neutral downs or anything like that. if the game is tied 35-35 at the end of regulation, just keep the game going from where it left off….
The idea here is that a football game is a contest decided in 60 minutes. OT should be the closest possible number to 60 minutes possible for each contest, so sudden death is pretty much a must….
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 24, 2010 10:06 AM MDT reply actions
get rid of the coin flip and keep sudden death
I mean to say…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 24, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Go XFL on the coin toss instead.
Place the ball at the 50 yard line and whoever gets the ball first gets the ball first.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Naw, go WPFL
Cheerleaders play a quarter of flag football during the half — winning side gets the ball for their team in case of OT.
Added benefit of reducing the line at the stadium restroom during half…
I'll go for that.
Now that would be entertainment.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
This is interesting
"Marijuana use is almost epidemic, with more guys having tested positive for marijuana at some point in their college background than I can ever remember,‘’ said a longtime team personnel man. "It’s almost as if we are having to figure out a new way to evaluate it as part of the character and background report, because it’s so prevalent. There’re enough instances of it that it’s hard to know how to set your board. You can’t throw out that many guys. You have to go case-by-case and do your homework on them.’’
There's a big hard sun, beating on the big people, in the big hard world.
formerly Styg-like
by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 24, 2010 10:24 AM MDT reply actions
That's not what that says at all
You’ve read far too much into that.
If you have two guys that are identical in every way (same position, same measurables, same attitude, etc.), but one has smoked pot in his past, then it makes more sense to draft the other one, at least to this official.
Whether you agree or not is up to you, and likely none of my business, but your interpretation is way off-base.
I hate the Red Wings.
So was Mike Bell the first RFA that got picked up by a new team?
I can’t think of anyone else off the top of my head… Help me out here guys.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 24, 2010 10:26 AM MDT reply actions
Jason Babin
He signed an offer sheet with Tennessee on St Paddies Day.
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by KaptainKirk on Mar 24, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I actually really like the new OT rules...
It adds more winkles to the game and most importantly adds more football to watch!! I, for one, can never get enough football, so any extension to that makes me happy….
As for the wrinkles, I think it’ll be neat to watch teams develop unique strategies to how they approach OT. No longer is it the cookie cutter approach of you win the coin toss, receive the ball, and try to get in range for a make-able FG.
Now, with the new rules, there could be strategies involved with kicking off first, pressuring a more Offensive-challenged team to score first. Or, how about the possibilities of 4th and inches from the 20 yard line? Now, you have a predicament where the team has to decide whether or not to kick the FG and risk losing on the other team’s possession, or to go for it and try to win it on their possession.
From this particular fan’s point-of-view… OT’s just got a whole lot more exciting!!! I hope they extend it to the regular season as well…
It will make things interesting
when it is 4th down on the 20 yard line. However I just think they should just add a whole quarter and take the coin toss away completely…..10-15 minute OT maybe. I do agree if the NFL is going to change OT in the playoffs, they should put it in the regular season too. I mean you could get eliminated from playoff contention with the old rules….doesn’t make sense.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Right... in the NFL...
Where every regular season game has such weight and importance… those games deserve the same updated rules.
At the same time, this is the NFL… it’s such a monstrosity that I can see them viewing this as a “pilot” of sorts. See how it works for a year or two before fully rolling it out to the entire season. Also, maybe, there are concerns about injuries…
While I like the idea of another quarter of play, what happens if it ends in another tie?
Another tie would be a problem
I guess we will just have to wait for a playoff game to go into OT to find out.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
If they indeed see this as a pilot
in order to see if the new rules work or not, wouldn’t they try it in reg season but have the old rule for playoffs? Just seems odd to test a pilot rule in the playoffs where so much is on the line.
Bottom line, there should never be separate rules for regular season vs playoffs. That’s just absurd.
Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein
Once we accept our limits, we go beyond them. - Albert Einstein
Well, we found out why...
The league came out and said yesterday that it was due to player safety and injury concerns that they didn’t implement it for the regular season.
I, for one, agree with you though… I’d like to see it in the postseason and regular season… where nearly every game has playoff implications.
I don't think the OT change was knee jerk.
It had been talked about for a while. It was fine the way it was IMO but the change was a fairly subtle tweak and a good compromise. If you’re going to do it, do it for regular season too though.
Also whil you’re at it, abolish pre-season OT.
agreed on not being knee jerk
Brian Billick was on M&M this morning and said variations of these rule changes has been discussed every year for the last several years now.
maybe so
but this is the first time i can remember it even came up for a vote, and it was a freakin landslide.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Mar 26, 2010 5:47 AM MDT up reply actions
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