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Horse Tracks - 3/26/10 - Seahawks try to press the issue

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Good Morning Broncos Country!  Pete Carroll knows how to speak.  He's a great communicator, which has helped him become a great football coach, especially on the college level.  And like every coach, what Carroll says usually has a double meaning or deeper motivation.  It happened this week when Carroll talked at the NFC Coaches Breakfast at the League Meetings.  When asked about the Seahawks' interest in Marshall, Carroll brought the issue right back into the limelight by saying talks between the Broncos and 'Hawks were preliminary.  Innocent enough, but Carroll knew what he was doing.  Carroll knows the best way to try and get the Broncos to blink is to get them sick of answering questions about Marshall.  The issue had begun to take a back seat to the rest of the off-season, including off-season workouts.  Seattle wants to keep the heat on.  What better way to do that than to say there have been talks, and that those talks are ongoing?  Now, I'm not saying Carroll is doing anything wrong, he's not, but there is motivation to what he is doing.  With 20 days or so left for the Seahawks to sign Marshall to a tender, the clock is ticking.

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I can't believe I'm going to say this:

but Woody Paige actually makes a great deal of sense in his answer to the question of why the Broncos wouldn’t want to keep Marshall.

Side note to John: Please don’t ban me for agreeing with Woody. LOL

Even with Woody’s persuasive argument, I still don’t think that Marshall being gone is a done deal.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Mar 26, 2010 8:00 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I am really wanting to shun you

But even Woody makes sense on occasion.

My emptiness says it doesn't care.

by Topher Doll on Mar 26, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Don't look into the light!!!!

Arghhh….He does make good points, but I’m still of the mind that the maturing year was 2009.

Call me kooky, but that’s what I honestly believe. Even this off season is playing out well for all involved. Brandon is realizing he’s not worth Fitz type money (that his agent is probably looking for), and the team has stayed quiet and given him all the room to market himself that he could ask for….In the end, I think we give him at least as good a contract as he was offered last year. If someone offers more, then at least we have the chance to match.

I still believe he should be in Denver!

"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009

"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams

by Broncotodd on Mar 26, 2010 8:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree there was some strides in 2009

No arrests at least. Just a benching and 2 week camp suspension. Wouldn’t you wonder with Marshall when the shoe was gonna drop. I would be always on edge wondering what could happen at any moment where the league suspends him for 8 games.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Mar 26, 2010 11:59 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

UNLEASH THE ALMIGHTY BAN HAMMER!!!

Cmon John…you are duty bound to uphold the honor of this site by smiting any foul heathen that dares to spew accolades to Paige on our most holy of blogs.

From the Book of MHR (7:07):

“And then God said, thou shalt not speak the name of Paige in praising tones lest you be found lacking in the proper measure of the orange and blue kool-aid. Any foul wretch that should offend this commandment shall be smitten with holy ban hammer (which was forged from the hairs off the right arm of John Elway and cleansed in fire) in short order and with the full judgment of the righteous who lead this blog…”

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2010 9:16 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

LOL

I love it. You are very creative. I might make that my signature. :)

It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

aka Solace

by Jason Witte on Mar 26, 2010 11:04 AM MDT up reply actions  

LOL

Glad I’m not the only one who got a kick out of that. Thank you sir. You are a gentleman and a scholar. :)

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

I SHAME you for speaking in such a tone about Woody Paige

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Mar 26, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Of course the Lions willsign the Pac Man

They require someone to cover the Marquand Manuel’s guy.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Mar 26, 2010 8:17 AM MDT reply actions  

Maybe I'm cranky this morning...

But is Woody at least somewhat implying he “discovered” John Elway??? I usually take Woodrow with a grain of salt and get a chuckle out of his BS, but I really hope that part of his article was tongue-in-cheek.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

by ncm42 on Mar 26, 2010 8:35 AM MDT reply actions  

Woody's "tongue-in-cheek" = head-in-@$$

I’m a little cranky this AM too!

- "It's March!" McDaniels said. "It's March, we don't have a depth chart. We have a bunch of sweaty guys in the weight room is what we have. Jeepers creepers." -

by BroncoSense72 on Mar 26, 2010 9:04 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Finally...some sense

Blessed are these, for they reflect what is righteous and good in every Bronco fan.

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

I must say Woody is one of my favorite sports writers

We here at MHR bash the MSM too easily, and usually do it if the person disagrees with us. When it comes to the MSM, I usually dont judge them based on their opinion, but usually how they explain their opinion. Woody usually brings up classic Broncos/Genereal NFL facts to justify himself, and I’m all for it. And he always sticks to his opinion too, and thats more than we can say for most of the MSM.

And by the way, I dont mean to toot my own horn (but I will anyway lol) but if you read his mailbag the first question there h describes as one of the smartest in his 40 yrs of journalism. That question was mine.

Just goes to show what can happen if an MHR member drops a question amongst DP readers/commenters lol

by DBroncs1414 on Mar 26, 2010 9:11 AM MDT reply actions  

INFEDEL!!!

You must be cleansed with fury and with fire. This can not stand….

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

(Okay, you guys may think I’m nuts, but I’m cracking myself up here)

"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV

by sadaraine on Mar 26, 2010 9:19 AM MDT up reply actions  

HAHa no we dont

I understand, I, for the most part, disagree with Woody. All I’m sayin though is he deserves some credit because he doesnt just throw out a statement and not back it up or anything. I must say the biggest offender of that is BW. I can’t stand how many times he’ll just say something and assume its fact and not explain why.

by DBroncs1414 on Mar 26, 2010 9:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

Me too.

LOL

It takes neither courage nor intelligence to cheer for a team only when that team wins. The true test of a fan's mettle is the same as it is for a player: Were you there when you were needed?

aka Solace

by Jason Witte on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Silence......... I keel you....

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Mar 26, 2010 11:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

OH, I see.

Woody calls you smart, so you defend him. LOL

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Mar 26, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Note my use of italics

to identify sarcasm and intended humor, with no intent to personally attack anyone.

-Harvey J. Neptune

"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi

by HarvJNep2n on Mar 26, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions  

Woody Paige = BUFFOON!

 Let Bena bring the “HAMMER” of banishment and shame upon him…as if any more shame and embarassment could by thrust upon him. Hey Woodster…last year, what was your prediciton again…“4-12”? Yeah, you da man! I like to have Woody and Jamie Dukes square off in a Dumbass Steel Cage Match. I’d almost pay for that one. We’d finally know who the biggest dumbass in the MSM really is?

*Apologies for “Dumbass” but I couldnt think of a better descriptor than that…I’ll consult Roget’s and get back on that one! Maybe Webster too!

"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM

by Hogblog on Mar 26, 2010 10:37 AM MDT reply actions  

Marshall talks are ongoing?

What’s there to talk about? The price is set at a first round pick. You want him Carroll? Pony up #6. Don’t want to give up one of your 2 first rounders? Then no Marshall for you.

Here’s how these ongoing talks must be playing out:

Carroll: Hi Josh, you kow I really want Marshall, will you take a 2nd rounder for him?

McD: Pete, if we wanted a 2nd we would have tendered him with a 2nd. It’s a 1st or no deal.

One week later…

Carroll: Hi Josh. Willing to take a second yet?

McD: Pete, we will not move him unless it’s a 1st rounder, hence the 1st round tender. Come on man.

The following week…

Carroll: Josh, you know we want Marshall but don’t want to part with either of our 1st round picks. Let’s talk.

McD: Quit wasting my time Pete.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Mar 26, 2010 11:01 AM MDT reply actions  

McD – “Hey, Dawk, can you handle this for me real fast? I gotta go eat breakfast.”

(McD hands Dawk the phone and Dawk TAKES IT!!!!!)

Dawk – “TAKE IT!!!!!!!…………. or leave it.”

(Dawk hangs up the phone)

Exit stage right.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6

by Troy Hufford on Mar 26, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just dont think its that simple

Marshall wants a new contract that offers him some longterm stability. Bowlen did say at mid year that he would get it. Now if its true that the team offered him a 9.5 and he turned it down do you really think he is going to sign a 1 year tender for under 4 million? Call me crazy but i just dont see it happening. Of course, you can counter and say if he doesnt sign it he doesnt get paid – which is true- but the flip side is the Broncos are sitting on a player that isnt under contract so they cant force him to camp, they havent flipped him for an asset either.

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen

by johnnystarr on Mar 29, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

If he refuses to sign his tender and sits out a year

He still has only accrued 4 years of playing time. If Marshall wants the big bucks that UFA offers, he will play his 1 year for us on his tendered amount. It’s his path to UFA.

However, this experience will show Marshall that teams aren’t scrambling over one another to sign Marshall to top 5 WR money (which he and his agent thought they would, thus why they rejected the $9.5M/yr offer from us). So, there’s a much better chance he takes that $9.5M/year deal with us now that he has been able to judge the market.

Marshall will sign his tender if no other teams make him an offer. If that’s how this plays out I bet we sign him to an extension. There’s always the chance that someone (Seattle) will make him an offer though.

Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition from weak minds. - Albert Einstein

by c_style on Mar 29, 2010 2:18 PM MDT up reply actions  

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