Horse Tracks - 3/4/10 - Where Free Agency Happens
Good Morning Broncos Country! Good Morning indeed. Let the fun and excitement - and the hair pulling, rollar-coaster riding days of free agency begin. Actually, they officially begin later, but with the deadline to extend qualifying offers to your restricted free agents upon us, well, the fun has already gotten started. You are going to hear and read a lot about hold-outs and the like. Be sure that the Broncos do not own the market on pissed-off players. There are plenty of them today - 275 to be exact - that when from having the opportunity to shop their serves as UFA's to being guaranteed a 1-year deal at $2-to-$3 million. I'd be pissed too. That is the market we are in right now in the NFL - it's a business - and both the teams and players will play the game right now. Expect Kyle Orton, Chris Kuper, Brandon Marshall et al to skip off-season workouts in protest - unless of course they sign a new deal. That's part of the game, like it or not. When push comes to shove, however, everyone will show up for work when it becomes mandatory. We'll have more on the tenders as the day goes on - there are some interesting quotes I want to share with you. Until then, enjoy the Tracks!
Offers Tendered to Restricted Free Agents
With free agency set to begin on Friday, the Broncos have tendered qualifying offers to five players who will be restricted free agents.
Woody's Mailbag: Broncos boss under the radar? - The Denver Post
Denver Post sports columnist Woody Paige posts Woody's Mailbag on Thursdays.
Moves spell out Broncos' offseason strategy - The Denver Post
Beneath the otherwise dull mechanism of contract tendering lies so many double meanings, inferences and stories.
Le Kevin Smith not tendered | All Things Broncos
The Broncos tendered five of their six restricted free agents. The exception was reserve defensive end Le Kevin Smith, who now becomes an unrestricted free agent. Smith was acquired from New England during the preseason for a seventh-round draft pick but he immediately suffered a knee injury and did not contribute as hoped.
Broncos among teams bracing for offseason holdouts | All Things Broncos
Now that tenders to restricted free agents are coming in, expect many of these restricted free agents to hold out from offseason workouts.
Broncos lock Dumervil with highest tender, use first-round on Marshall - The Denver Post
Elvis Dumervil isn't going anywhere. The Broncos did what they could to stave off any possible suitors for the NFL's leading sacker as they slapped the first- and third-round tender on the restricted free agent.
Clark lawyer challenges tip, jailhouse letter - The Denver Post
Willie D. Clark's attorney put the Denver police on trial Wednesday, asking a detective why he changed his testimony about an incriminating letter Clark is accused of writing and questioning why some leads in the death of Darrent Williams were never followed.
Broncos Mailbag: "Let's talk draft" - The Denver Post
Denver Post sports writer Mike Klis posts his Broncos Mailbag in the first week of each month during the offseason.
Colts' Manning has surgery for pinched nerve - The Denver Post
Peyton Manning has spent 12 seasons being a pain in the neck of NFL opponents. Now the four-time league MVP is trying to alleviate the pain in his own neck.
Jason Campbell gets first-round tender from Washington Redskins - ESPN
The Washington Redskins placed the first-round tender on quarterback Jason Campbell, according to a league source.
Roundup: New York Jets receiver Edwards gets first-round tender - ESPN
The New York Jets tendered wide receiver Braylon Edwards at the first- and third-round level, the team announced Wednesday.
Sources: Miami Dolphins tender running back Ronnie Brown - ESPN
The Miami Dolphins placed the first-round tender on running back Ronnie Brown, according to NFL sources.
Cleveland Browns veteran Hank Fraley 'shocked' being released - ESPN
Hank Fraley was happy to fill in anywhere the Cleveland Browns needed him. Center, guard, even tight end. He went wherever.
NFL players participate in league's business management and entrepreneurial program - ESPN
Deion Branch spent his classroom time listening intently to everything the instructors told him -- and feverishly taking notes.
Washington Redskins left tackle Chris Samuels to announce retirement Thursday - ESPN
Washington Redskins six-time Pro Bowl left tackle Chris Samuels will announce his retirement Thursday.
Kansas City Chiefs release Devard Darling, Dantrell Savage - ESPN
The Kansas City Chiefs have released wide receiver Devard Darling and running back Dantrell Savage.
Washington might get jettisoned | LoHud.com | The Journal News
Two days after announcing they would release Thomas Jones later this week, the Jets placed a second-round tender on restricted free-agent running back-kick returner Leon Washington, according to his agent.
NorthJersey.com: Free agent middle linebackers may interest Giants
The term "uncharted waters" was the one most heard at the NFL combine in Indianapolis last week as league executives prepared for the first uncapped season since 1993.
Turf wars at the combine | National Football Post
The NFL Scouting Combine presented by Under Armour is over, and I’m sure Under Armour is happy with its sponsorship. It got considerable TV time and intimate connections with the top players in the country, complementing the relationships it had already begun building with the 2010 draft class at the Senior Bowl.
Is Dansby worth big free-agent money? | National Football Post
With free agency and a new league year starting on Friday, the National Football Post is taking a look at players who will hit the market as the league begins doing business in unchartered waters. Today: linebacker Karlos Dansby.
What if the Bears strike out in FA? | National Football Post
The Chicago Bears have been linked to just about every big-name free agent on the market since this past weekend in Indianapolis.
Wilson: Browns looking to trade for a quarterback? | National Football Post
The Cleveland Browns could be in the trading business.
Lions tender offers to linemen | National Football Post
The Detroit Lions have tendered offers to offensive guards Manny Ramirez (not to be confused with "Mannywood") and Dylan Gandy as well as cornerback Kevin Hobbs, according to Tim Twentyman of The Detroit News.
Wilson: DeMeco Ryans gets high tender | National Football Post
The Houston Texans assigned the high tender to restricted free agent linebacker DeMeco Ryans and tight end Owen Daniels.
Wilson: Buffalo safety Mike Newton shines | National Football Post
University of Buffalo safety Mike Newton made a strong impression on NFL scouts during his campus Pro Day workout today, according to a league source.
Florida Center Maurkice Pouncey | National Football Post
A massive center prospect(6-5, 318) who showcases impressive bend and initial quickness off the snap for his size, Pouncey does a great job of keeping his base low and gaining initial leverage on contact(Editor's Note - YES PLEASE!!!)
Wilson: Josh Cribbs to hold press conference | National Football Post
Cleveland Browns wide receiver and kick returner Josh Cribbs has something he'd like to say.
Biggs: Seahawks raise ticket prices | National Football Post
The Seattle Seahawks have got to pay Jim Mora to not coach for a while now, so to help them in that endeavor (and all others) the team is raising the prices for season tickets, according to Danny O’Neil of the Seattle Times.
Wilson: Raiders give Morrison original round tender | National Football Post
The Oakland Raiders only assigned the low tender to starting middle linebacker Kirk Morrison, a bit of a surprise and not a strong indication of how they feel about his work despite leading the team in tackles for five consecutive seasons.
Top 50 players expected to be on the free-agent market
The free-agency signing period begins March 5, and it should be a slower process this offseason than in years past, for two reasons. First off, several teams did a good job of tying up their young players; second, more than 200 players that would have become unrestricted free agents will be restricted in an uncapped 2010 season.
Risers and fallers from the 2010 NFL Scouting Combine
The 2010 NFL Scouting Combine has concluded, and scouts are closely grading the performances of more than 300 draft hopefuls that participated in the event.
Culpepper the agent touts credentials of his star client
In a free-agent class devoid of star power -- young star power in particular -- Daunte Culpepper is the best of a feeble quarterback crop. And he's an anomaly in more ways than one.
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There’s also a good article here from ProFootballTalk that goes over 20 questions related to the CBA. It’s fairly detailed while remaining understandable. Worth a read.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Good read Thanks
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by 3nS on Mar 4, 2010 8:58 AM MST up reply actions
Fraley from the Browns seems like an option
I don’t really know anything about him other than what I just read, but he sounds like a McX type player, very versatile, smart, good attitude, etc.. And affordable of course.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I said the same thing...
last night. 6-3, 310. Good size and a ton of experience.
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Was'nt Matt Prater a RFA too ?
I would really hate to loose him.
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Good get 79...What's up with Prater?????
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by BroncoSense72 on Mar 4, 2010 7:39 AM MST up reply actions
I was speculative about him being included in the RFA list before
but was told by everyone he was one. He wasn’t on the list I had of RFAs. I think his contract is different than a normal signing because he was signed mid-season off Miami’s practice squad.
Hmmm...Interesting...Thanks Digger!
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by BroncoSense72 on Mar 4, 2010 7:47 AM MST up reply actions
I heard that his contract was like Josh Barrett's
in that he (and Ryan McBean) are also ERFAs. They still need tender offers but no other teams are allowed to get involved. The tender offers aren’t the draft pick variety either, since there is no threat of losing the player to someone else. The tender simply has to be above certain positional minimums for active players (i.e. no practice squad contracts).
If an ERFA doesn’t like the offer, he is stuck and can’t play in the NFL that year. If the Bronco’s don’t tender their ERFAs they become UFAs on March 5th.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 4, 2010 11:11 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Prate tender
I have been wondering the same thing about Prater. Hopefully we will see a tender placed on him today. A 2nd rounder should be high enough to discourage other teams from making an offer.
Of course we can always match, or take the draft pick and bring in another kicker. I was really upset when we lost Elam, but that has actually worked out pretty well for us and lousy for Atlanta.
Thanks John
Lets hope our guys aren’t too pissed off to work out.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Sitting out
I don’t see team minded players like Orton or Kuper sitting out practice, especially Orton since he has the chance to show how much he’s grown, and to try and improve his worth around the league.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 7, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
Welcome to the year before no football!
2011 is the new 2012! Mayan’s were off by a year!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Thanks John...
I don’t see Doom, Kyle, and Kuper as the types that would hold out…The labor situation is what it is and I tend to believe that as a littlee time goes by that they will swallow and be in working out with the rest of their mates this off-season…And, just because they have been tendered does not mean that the Broncos will not continue to try and get contracts worked out during the off-season???
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by BroncoSense72 on Mar 4, 2010 7:48 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Kyle could actually work this thing in his favor if he's a mind to.
Since the Broncos only tendered him with a first, there may be suitors that will come calling. Let the bidding begin folks. The Rams are one to bring to mind. They are caught between a rock and a hard place with their quarterback situation and picking one at #1 is risky for all concerned where Kyle already has a fairly good track record and could fill a huge need. I think Spagnuolo would rather take Suh with the first pick than he would a Sam Bradford or Jimmy Clausen. Or better yet, how two player deal with Seattle? Kyle and BMarsh for Housyomazama and our old pick (14) plus a 3rd. There will be fireworks going on here pretty soon bud, so get your pistol trigger finger limber…..
Or, how about this little number!
Trade Shanny and the Skins Kyle Orton and BMarsh for Jason Campbell and their #5 pick? It is an uncapped year and time to wheel and deal right. We could trade Bradford or Clausen and let one them fight it out with Campbell in training camp for the starting job. There are a million different ways the team could go and I am sure they have looked at most of them. It stirs the imagination doesn’t it?
Yup...
I am quite sure that our our FA / Draft Team have spent hours, days, weeks, (and now) months running multiple scenarios along with cost projection analysis and roster strength evaluations that have led them to their (tender assignment) decisions. There are many factors involved in the valuation process that produces these decisions that we, the fan, will never know about. Team first, players second, and Fans last (if at all?)…We the Fans, will never be privey to the information required for us to fully understand what is going on around that daily conference table meeting with Mr. Bowlen, Mr. Ellis, Xanders and McDaniels…They get paid alot of money to make sound decisions that they believe will put the best possible Team on the field next Fall…And I have no choice but to believe that they have said plan, and that that plan is flexible enough to wisely and effectively respond to the various scenarios that will very soon present themselves.
You’re right that it does stir my imagination, but so does Brooklyn Decker, neither of which I can do anything about…HaHa
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by BroncoSense72 on Mar 4, 2010 12:37 PM MST up reply actions
yeah right...bidding for ko
THAT’ll happen.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 4, 2010 5:49 PM MST up reply actions
Doubt it
I really don’t see Orton holding out, he has the chance to improve his worth around the league, sitting out makes your worth go down, look at what happened to Moss at Oakland. Sitting around being a cry baby only makes you get traded for nothing. As for trading Orton and Marshall to Seattle for TJ and the 14 and a 3rd round, Seattle is looking to improve a lot of their other problems, QB and receiver aren’t big enough to give away that much.
by maxwellsdemon on Mar 7, 2010 2:06 PM MST up reply actions
I actually read Paige’s article today [glutton?] — strange that he shares the same opinion as me about Marshall. I also find it strange that he doesn’t want Marshall here, I thought he would be of the other mindset.
Woody
I found his Mailbag to be very interesting, at least as it pertains to the Broncos. Interesting info about Joe Ellis and Shanahan
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Thanks, John
Twenty-four hours ago, I was extolling the virtues of a nice, sleepy offseason. Ah, memories.
Raiders and Morrison...Innnttteeerrreesting
Makes me think they may try for McClain….
Thanks for the tracks on the day before craziness!
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
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McClain is comfortably safe from tRaider harm! He's too slow.
Now Jacoby Ford or Bruce Campbell on the other hand are in trouble if they want to play elsewhere.
Can Jacoby Ford play linebacker?
If so, the Raiders could use him. lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 9:56 AM MST up reply actions
hmmm, that's a tough call. That speed sure is tempting........
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 1:51 PM MST up reply actions
The Faders 1st rounder bought them Richard Seymore (don't think i spelled that right)
So McClain really IS safe from the Halloween costume !
by Bronco79 on Mar 4, 2010 1:59 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Doh!! Forgot about that :)
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Remember how Orlando Pace was supposed to upgrade the Bears O-line?
The Bears have cut him. Go figure.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Pace was absolutely terrible last year...
Not really surprising at all here in Chicago. In fact people were hoping he’d just retire.
Yeah Brian and tunga,
His days may be numbered in the league, the old horse ain’t what it used to be.
Hahahaha.
And after all that optimism now that they got their franchise quarterback.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 4, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
Question:
Which bear is the best bear?
Just kidding… question: Why, in your expert opinions, did the Broncos choose not to Franchise one of our top RFA’s? Actually, can you Franchise a RFA??
And I apologize in advance… I’ve been swamped with work lately and have not been following all the analysis on our site, so this may have been covered already…
Good point.
I’m mostly a newb when it comes to contract negotiations and CBA-type issues.
Franchising has always been a weird aspect to me. It seems like in the beginning of our current CBA, it was a positive feature of the CBA… while over the course of its lifetime, it has become almost … a stigma.
Anyways, thanks for answering my question with a question. =P
"What kind of bear is best?" Well, there are basically two schools of thought..........
Anyways, the reason we didn’t is because we could potentially pay them less money by tendering them. Todd Jewell already addressed it, but I just wanted to add something meaningful after throwing in my “The office” line. lol
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 9:59 AM MST up reply actions
haha, that's awesome. Dwight is an inspirational figure, too.
I try and channel Dwight when I’m coaching, incidentally. By the way, my first ever game that I’m coaching is tomorrow, so I’m really excited. It’s preseason, but it will still be a game situation. I can’t wait.
Anyways, the quote I try and coach by is this.
“In the wild, there is no health care. In the wild, health care is, ‘Ow, I hurt my leg. I can’t run. A lion eats me. I’m dead.’ Well, I’m not dead. I’m the lion. You’re dead.”Now, I’m not saying that I cut players who get hurt or whatever, but it just translates to an aggressive style. Plus, it makes me laugh every single time.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 4:19 PM MST up reply actions
Which bear is the best bear?
A Broncobear. ;)
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 4, 2010 11:33 AM MST up reply actions
Looks like Shannay might have to forego thinking about Sam Bradford,
now that 6 time Probowler LT Chris Samuels is considering retirement. Samuel sustained a neck injury in a game with Carolina Oct 11th, after banging heads with a defensive player. This may persuade Shanny to take an OT with the first pick instead of a quarterback.
The collision left him with a neck injury, and doctors advised him the risk was too great to try to play again.
Tomorrow will be interesting...
I expect the club to sign anywhere from 3 – 5 potential veteran starters in FA. I’m not talking about a huge splash like Peppers, but I expect McX to be very aggressive and make some pretty big waves and potentially spend some serious cash. The new regime is in its second year of reshaping the roster and has to make a move. Some of these guys would sign to pretty big deals if we land them, but nothing that will break the bank so to speak. In other words, I would rather sign three of these guys for about the same price it would take to sign a guy like Peppers, or even Dansby, Boldin, or matching a deal for Marshall.
Bobbie Williams G- at 33 he’s getting up there but has played at a very high level over the past few years and has been very durable. Plus, at 6-4 345 he has the beef we’re looking for (compares nicely to Ben Hamilton’s 6-4 290). Probably worth dropping a serious chunk of change on this guy.
Keydrick Vincent G- another big body at 6-5 325 that could be worth paying some money to. At 31 he could be a long term contributor and would allow some flexibility when dealing with Kuper next year.
Kevin Mawae C- we all know this dude. He’s approaching 40, but he may be worth a look. However, he could pan out like Orlando Pace, when a beloved guy is let go by his long-time team it’s usually not a good sign.
Antonio Bryant WR- had a terrible year for struggling Bucs last year and dealt with a serious knee injury. However, the rumblings about character / lockerroom issues probably makes him a long shot, but there is a lot of upside here if we sign him to an incentive-laden contract.
Other more likely UFA WRs include: Kevin Walter, Josh Reed, and Kelly Washington. Any of these guys could come in and compete for playing time with our current recievers.
Jarvis Green DL- another former Pat could solidify the DE position. McBean and Peterson were more than serviceable and who knows if Vonnie Holliday or LK Smith will be back or what they have to offer. Adding a legitimate starting 3-4 DE would be a huge improvement for our DEF.
Bryon Robinson and/or Jason Ferguson NT/DT- solid vets could come in and play huge roles in the rotation over the next couple years and will not break the bank like the franchised Wilfork or Pickett would have.
by ButteBronco on Mar 4, 2010 9:50 AM MST reply actions 1 recs
Nice observations.
Are there any FA deep-threat WR’s?
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 4, 2010 11:35 AM MST up reply actions
Good question. Those guys don’t hit the market too often, unlike possession receivers such as, er, Marshall. That position is fungible and it’s comparatively easy to find replacements. All of which is another eason not to break the bank for a guy with injury problems, a bad attitude and a lengthy police record.
haha, nice one.
There is only one other two letter joke that is funnier than “TO”.
AL
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 7:38 PM MST up reply actions
I second that
I’m hoping for : D’wan Edwards, Jarvis Green, a starting guard, a starting center, a running back and possibly a starting ILB. I doubt we would, but Leigh Bodden (hope I spelled that right ) would be sweet too !
by Bronco79 on Mar 4, 2010 5:16 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Free agency at midnight.
Are we going to pull an all nighter, MHR? hahaha
We could call it “MHR after dark”……………
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yep
be there or be square!
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 4, 2010 11:45 AM MST up reply actions
Midnight in Alaska
Doesn’t that translate to something close to prime time?
All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.
William Blake
I have popcorn.
8pm start time for me.
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by Jeremy Bolander on Mar 4, 2010 12:19 PM MST up reply actions
Meh, I'll just stick to watching
Skinemax. ;-) You kids have fun!
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants country, and damned proud of it.
Anyone think a trade straight accross
Tony Scheffler for Leon Washington?
They both want new contracts and they were both given the same tender offer….I wouldn’t mind a Moreno/Buckhalter/ Washington backfield! just saying!
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
I like it. Where do I sign?
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 4, 2010 11:24 AM MST up reply actions
if he passes the physical he'd be a great pick up
I’d like to keep Scheff if coach will play him…
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 4, 2010 5:58 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks, John.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 4, 2010 10:44 AM MST reply actions

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