Once Again, FA Shows McD's Plan
by DBroncs1414 on Mar 5, 2010 8:50 AM MST
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Just like last year, we can tell what McD wants out of our team through FA. Last year, it was many solid 2nd or lowertier vets with good character. This year, were seeing a lot of OL's and DL's being brought in, and big ones at that. This solidified our belief that not only is improving on both lines important, but increasing size is as well
Here Are some other moves that might indicate what we are doing:
JJ Arrington: solid pick-up, and is more likely than not competing to stay on the roster. I believe this move shows that McD wants to improve the depth at the position. I also feel it gives the RB's (other than moreno and buck) the sense you should be scared as well, as u didnt perform too well last yr.
WR: As of now, we hav seen no move to bring in a WR. This may inidicate that Denver is not definitly going to trade BMarsh, as many believe. I think McD is going to wait for an offer he can't refuse, and once he gets it, he'll pull the trigger. However, alll this might change if we see a WR be brought in.
QB: If we bring in a QB, depending on who it is it might mean a couple of things. If its a QB who has starting exp or potential, it might mean we want to giv Orton some competition for the QB spot, meaning hat McD isnt sold on Orton. If we bring in a stricty backup caliber guy, than that would mean Simms is gone.
Thats it for now. If I think of anything else i'll throw it in here. I got my last mid-term before spring break so I gotta study but I'll be here to answer comments
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If, say, the Ravens come by and offer Brandon Marshall $9MM per year on a 5 year deal, McDaniels can accept that contract and Denver retains Marshall or we let him walk for a 1st round pick. Other than that, McDaniels has no other leverage. This whole waiting for an offer he can’t refuse is fantasy.
In my opinion.
There's also the possibility
Teams might bargaign for him. ITs not jus gonna be one team lookin for him. If mor than one team comes to our door lookin for him, than the highest bidder wins, and therefore, an offer we cant refuse
There is the possibility I grow to be 7 feet tall.
If another team signs Marshall to a deal today. We can match or lose him and get a 1st rounder.
In my opinion.
I can see the headlines now
“McGeorge slam dunks over Nene”
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You're right
but there are lots of moving parts there too McG – before Marshall signs an offer (if he gets one), the market for him will go crazy and I’d guess that he’d visit a few teams. Once that happens, he & his agent try to drive up his price to the 2 teams, and then they make their decision. Denver can simply match and put this thing to bed or let him walk as they obviously aren’t willing to invest in a long term relationship with Brandon.
I mean, what do you think scares the hell out of B-More? Its guaranteeing Marshall a bunch of money and paying him $10 Mill (just throwing numbers around – give or take) or more a year. That’s TONS of money for a risky player.
Denver can also do a sign and trade, which I think is a distinct possibility with Seattle because I don’t think Denver wants any part of their #6 pick.
It seems to me that a first & thrid tender would have all but guaranteed that Marshall stays in Denver and it’s obvious that McD isn’t married to keeping Marshall here. He’s willing to let him go for a #1 if the pick’s good enough or the contract is more than he thinks Marshall’s worth.
In my gut, I think Marshall wants to leave, and if Denver can get a top 20 pick, then I won’t feel like we got screwed. Denver isn’t going to give Marshall a huge multi year deal with a ton of guaranteed $ upfront anyway. At leats I’ll be shocked if they do.
I know you don’t like the direction McD’s got the Broncos headed, but honestly, I think you’re gonna hate it more sooner rather han later. I think this Marshall thing is going to be the straw that breaks the camel’s back for a lot of people.
I’m excited to see how this all plays out and reserve judgement until the games matter next September. McD’s a coach, Bowlen’s an owner, I’m a working stiff in my office. I’ll leave this to the experts.
I agree with you on the #6 pick of Seattle
but, they also have the #14 pick we gave them last year. Maybe we just get it back, although I don’t like the implications that puts on the value of Alphonzo Smith at all. Unless he becomes a much better player this year, I’d say he’s an expensive bust.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
If Seattle
Signs Marshall and Denver doesn’t match, Denver gets the #6 not the #14. So if there is a trade it will be before Seattle signs him or it will include a player and the #14.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
That's my ideal
I know that Denver gets the #6 if the deal is done normally, but maybe Denver can get around the #6 pick. Not that there’s no chance they can trade back, it just seems like from pick 5 to pick 15 is the same group of players.
I think the BEST possible outcome is
Marshall > Seattle
- pick > Denver
player (someone who can at least challenge for a starting job) > Denver
Possible Trade
Seattle= #14 and OG Sims
Denver= Marshall and 6th round
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
There are only two players on the Broncos I’d be more excited to see get a LT deal. Clady and Elvis (maybe Harris as well).
Marshall has three years of 100+ catches, is not injury prone and is about to hit his prime. You know what you get with BM and it’s a lot of production. In fact, you probably get the best possession WR in the NFL (why do you think Orton and Cutler locked on the guy so much, esp Orton).
It would be much riskier playing someone like J Peppers, Orton or Eddie Royal a large amount of coin hoping for long term value.
In my opinion.
Nah!
I will agree “you know what you get with Brandon”. Unfortunately that’s a proven character deficit going all the way back to high school (something I learned from a post of yours actually). In today’s financial times betting the bank on Marshall would be a bit like having bet on Lehman’s. The money saving from not signing im would be much better spent on free agency.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions
agree on...
Peppers and Orton and Royal
Marshall’s a known quantity, on the field anyway.
A #6 pick though, wow. Much higher than anticipated. Also, what if we change the #6 to the #14 and add a starting OG in Sims? IS it worth it then?
My question for you (McG and anyone else out there) is this:
If Marshall’s not a Bronco in 2010, are you going to think Denver made a mistake, regardless of the compensation for him?
Another way of saying this is: Is there any value that you could place on Marshall where it IS worth it to trade (or not match an offer sheet) him?
Just curious.
I think people are gonna be PISSED regardless of what McD does. He’s the coach you love to hate!
Not me though.
Like I said above, I think a top 20 pick is ok, and I’ll say here that a top 10 pick is great, and in a perfect world, I get a top 20 pick AND a starter where we have a hole to fill.
Give me Seattle's starting guard and our 14 pick back...Please!!!!!
Oh, yea! I’m dream’n of McClain, Lupati, and Pouncy! We get a 2nd for Schefler and this is doable.
"Peace, a journey without distance to a place we have never left."
by BroncoCUbuffs on Mar 5, 2010 1:42 PM MST up reply actions
I'll take your bait...
Marshall will not be a Bronco in 2010.
The mistake in the situation will not have been trading him, it was how he was dealt with throughout 2009.
At this point, IMO, he has to be traded and if we really can get a #14 pick and a player…its better than the Bupkis that we will get when he leaves town after next season. Pull that trigger and put us out of our misery.
by miner00 on Mar 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks miner
I have to ask (now I’m taking your bait!), how was he mishandled in ’09?
I actually thought McD did a great job dealing with him. I genuinely think they like each other and McD couldn’t have handled him better. At some point Marshall needed to be callaed out for behavior detrimantal to the team, which is what McD basically called him out for at the end of the year. I sthat what you’re talking about?
Just curious. Good to hear from ya.
IMO...McD was too Black and White.
Either things were Great with BM or he was a Cancer to the Team…there was no in between.
I don’t think BM particularly likes McD, and I think McD cannot stand BM. The beauty is, they don’t have to like eachother. They could coexist if the coach had a steadier hand, but he seems to manage difficult personalities like a 6 year-old on a sugar high. He is either laid back letting things happen, or he flying off the handle suspending players and calling them names in public.
A good manager lives in the middle between carrots and sticks.
This is nothing that McD won’t learn over time, just a bunch of rookie mistakes.
Exactly
If Pashos starts at Gaurd net pound increase 35 LBs Hadnot at C increase 35 LBs. If Olsen beats out Kuper +10 LBs.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
Rmember they signed JJ last year, but his health prevented him from performing.
It sounds like he has gotten past the injuries and is truely ready to go. This is just better depth at the RB position and JJ provides a nice change of pace from KM and Buck.
I’d be okay if they decided to bring in a proven WR and / or QB. It’s always good to provide competition to push the incumbents.
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Agreed
One question that might help JJ keep his spot: Can he return punts and kicks? This would be huge if he could cuz i no he’s a little scat bak like a poor man’s sproles or leon washington
Nice post..
My view if we see no QB FA. Chris Simms gets to come to camp and compete. From McD remarks, I think Ben (QB coach) has the #2 open to Tom Branstader and Chris Simms. Then if Simms loses he is cut and a CFA is brought in to run the scout team.
And no I do not see a draft pick used for a very weak QB class. Only two are value and they will be gone in the top 10.
Belichick once said that you can't have too many QBs
I think that was before TB tried to keep at least 7 in camp each year though…Bringing in a QB to compete for a job is a far cry from claiming that they are giving up on Orton. Orton is the starter going in – if they open camp with him on the second team, THAT would say that they’re giving up on him. Nothing in his performance so far, or McD’s, has indicated anything of the kind. You want to have someone that you feel comfortable bringing on if Orton goes down. If Brandstater is ready, he’s ahead of schedule. If he’s not, you need to have a vet. If Orton has a Brady-type injury, you want to have that backup ready and someone behind him in development – even two.
Keep in mind that Brady was brought in as a 4th QB and had no assurance that he’d be kept after training camp. His work ethic was such that he was kept, but he didn’t get off the bench his first year and might not have in his second if Drew Bledsoe hadn’t been injured. Having 4 QBs is a question of how valuable you see the roster space as being – if you need it for other positions, you keep 3 and if you feel that it’s valuable as the team stands to keep a 4th, you do that. There’s no cut and dried implication either way.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
If the resigning of Lloyd is an indicator for anything it has stated that McDaniels thinks he's worth having around.
Not knowing what will or won’t happen to Brandon Marshall makes signing Lloyd more logical than not. Does McD have ultra plans for Lloyd? We don’t know and it makes it possible that he may become the #3 or 4 wideout. I like the athleticism that Lloyd brings, but I still have concerns about how much heart he has. In McD’s type of offense I could see Gaffney, Royal, Stokley and Lloyd. We’ll find out shortly.
How about McKinley?
If you look at it one way, with McKinley, Arrington and perhaps Nate Jones, Royal may never have to do a return again. I’m still not exactly clear on why being a return man tends to have such a bad effect on the players receiving skills, but it’s been true time and again around the NFL. Losing that need to perform in the return game may help Royal’s receiving.
While McKinley was often forgotten in recent discussions of a deep receiver,and I would agree that he has to get stronger and learn to defeat press coverage, McKinley ran a 4.37 40 (apparently on his pro day – I didn’t find all three combine scores when I just flipped through his info file. Even though his average was 4.47, most of these guys don’t know how to run a 40 and it isn’t always accurate. I tend to look at what the player’s best is unless they ran track.). He’s got excellent top end speed and is very elusive in space. He can spread the field or lengthen it, and Steve Spurrier considered him the best WR he’d ever trained. They retired his jersey number at South Carolina. Let him and Lloyd fight it out for the roster spot.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
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