Brandon Marshall Heading to Seattle Tomorrow
WOW...Marshall going to Seattle to negotiate with Seahawks. The Broncos would receive the 6th overall pick as compensation unless another deal is worked out
***Update: If Seattle is unwilling to deal the 6th overall pick, they would likely use Denver's first round pick (14th overall) as part of compensation, and I personally am speculating that they could also send us G Rob Sims, who was offered a 4th round tender***
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Sayre Bedinger
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I sure hope they work out another deal.
I wouldnt want to pay huge money to a 6th pick, specially since I dont see who we could pick there…
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
UMM...trade down...people looking for Clausen...people will want to trade up in this draft.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Nah
I think there will be a lot of ‘future’ draft pick trades this year.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Well Bradford is going at 1 and Clausen is going at 4
So I have a bad feeling we will be stuck with the #6 pick if that is what we end up with
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Or
We could ask for their 14th pick (ours originally) and an additional later round pick.
god created earth in 6 days....on the 7th day, he took a break and created elway
Effectually making Marshall for 'Fonze and another pick?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
The dislike for paying for the higher picks is understandable
But damn! There’s some real talent to be had there! A trade down would be nice but to take a Berry there would be something to think about. Maybe even Bradford, Clausen or one of the monsters could be had here. There are opportunities to be had at #6 that should be considered. Opportunities that we spoiled fans in Denver are not likely to see …maybe ever. Without trading multiple picks we’re not likely to pick this low. Maybe we like Mays? If he can be taught to cover he’d be a monster for years to come. Look at the way the top safeties have been difference makers…
If we let Marshall out of town without getting something special….
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
I think the FO will match the offer sheet
I do not think Pat or McD will want the 6th overall pick
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 5, 2010 12:54 PM MST reply actions
I wonder
if what Seattle offers Marshall will be cheaper than the 6th overall pick…I’d imagine that if it is we’d sign Marshall. If Marshall costs more than the 6th pick we’d take the 6th. It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out
Goood job SHake and Bake...
Reported on fan shots 30 mins ago.
Thanks for putting on front page Sayre but credit where credit was due.
S’n’B all over it!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Credit was given in the comment section
Sorry, I just clicked “New Fanshot” right when I read Schefter’s tweet. I didn’t check the fanshots before, so I apologize! Great work everyone!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 12:58 PM MST up reply actions
I think EVERYONE on here posted it as a fanshot!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
Holy Sh*t!
Think of the possibilites with 6 & 11! I’d say pick Clausen, Bradford, or McClain (whoever’s avialble), and try to trade down @ #11 for a late first rounder and another second rounder.
Why in the world
Would Denver attempt to work out another deal? PFT was saying that we’d negotiate for a trade more ‘befitting’ of Brandon Marshall.
The 6th overall pick is going to be money for trading back and stockpiling picks.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
by ChristianL on Mar 5, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I posted this somewhere else
Gregg Rosenthal at profootballtalk is a joke. Last night he called Cromartie a reciever. Now he says If Seattle signs Marshall that Denver and Seattle will negotiate a lesser price than the #6.
I’d like to buy a used car from this guy.
Me…."I’ll give you $2000 for that car."
Rosenthal…." Make that $500 and we got a deal."
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 5, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
Well i guess this is why we gave a first round tender,
so we could receive offers.. 6th pick is interesting, wonder if anyone would trade us for it!
I would imagine that we match the offer, but Marshall actually going there seems to indicate that he wants out??
6th or 14th?
Do they get to choose which 1st rounder we’d get?
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
don't think so
would imagine that it would be their original pick. not sure if they would try to discuss different options or if that’s even possible.
Posted this on fanshot
In the CBA
When I was researching whether an original tender on Scheff would be a 2nd or 3rd, I came across a statement that said it would have to be the teams original pick or higher.
Therefore since Denver has Chicagos pick and it is higher than their pick, they can offer a 1st round tender a contract. But, if the picks were reversed and Denvers original pick was 11 and Chicgos was 14. Denver would not be able to offer a contract on a 1st round tendered player.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions
Sorry if anyone posted this before me
I immediately clicked “New Fanshot” when I read Adam Schefter’s tweet, not trying to steal thunder so MAJOR KUDOS to those that had this up 30 minutes ago. Nice work!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
No man...thanks for posting to main page...just wanted to make sure that SHake and Bake got the credit as well!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Absolutely!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:08 PM MST up reply actions
That 'first round only' tender
Starting to make sense, eh?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
With the rumors about Seattle...
it’s possible there are some serious trade talks underway with teams like BAL & NYJ. Yes, the first round tender is making a whole lot of sense.
Yep
Its going to be a roller coaster offseason.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
so not true!
we’ve learned nothing! Trade talks? where? And Seattle won’t be bargaining with us, they’ll be talking to BM’s agent! It’s funny how somebody starts speculating and all of the sudden folks start drawing conclusions! Silliness.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 PM MST up reply actions
Nope.
Just wait for someone to come on here and say, "McD is so dumb! If it was a 1st and 3rd we would have had two 3rd rounders right now! >:P "
LOL.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 12:59 PM MST up reply actions
I've said over and over that the tender-move
was a speed-lane to moving BM for a “chepo” first-round pick. Almost all disagreed and told me to get off the ledge. We’ll find out soon
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
The whole point of putting him on tender is so we would receive offers, no?
Either the want offers to get a good representation of what kind of contract other people are willing to give or they want offers to shop him..
As you say, we will find out soon.
WE ARE NOT
Matching an offer. The Seahawks have no reason to rasie the price now, only potentially lowering it from their 6th to their 14th. Anybody want to tell me again how great of a move this was?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
LOL
Other teams can STILL offer B Marsh money.
And I’d rather have the 6th overall pick than the 25th and 75th :P
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Let me clarify
Seattle wasn’t going to give us the 6th overall plus their third.
It would not have happened.
Now we’ve gained a partner and if they want the exclusive rights to Brandon they could up that pick.
But the 6th overall pick could translate into a very deep draft for us.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Yeah, too bad we don't get to decide the team
If we placed the lower tender, teams would negotiate with us, not Brandon. We would have had more control. I said that all day. But it’s illeagle around here to site a mistake in strategy.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
No Alex....thats not it at all...some people agree with you...many dont...
My only problem is that you think you are right, and everyone else is wrong.
I dont think it is that black and white man.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
At what point will you consider me right?
BM did get significant attention from at least one team, who’s bringing him in for a negotion that we’re not invited to. You can hold out hope that we match and I say we won’t. You can say Seattle will just throw in extra stuff for fun, and I say they won’t.
I say this free agency period just started and we could have gotten more with a higher starting price and more time. I say Seattle would have called us if it were the high-tender instead of calling BM since it’s the low tender.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
So you think
Seattle would have given up #6 and #40?
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
OR
The 1st and 3rd tender would have made Seattle more likely to call McX and ask if they could work out something less than the 1st and 3rd (but still more than just the 1st)? I can see where you’re coming from if that is the argument…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
How can one be judged right or wrong based on a hypothetical...
without saying I agree or disagree with you there’s no answer to whether or not you’re right or wrong. There is no guarantee that anyone would be interested in Marshall at the high tender price as a starting point. It didn’t happen so we’ll never know. Just like it can’t be said you’re wrong either. There’s no way to know the outcome of a hypothetical situation.
by T.Dot_Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
You don't set reserves
In your ebay auctions do you?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Nor should we...
Marshall is gone. He is my favorite player on the roster and I’m bummed, but he just doesn’t belong here— see: the Darrent Williams situation, his huge personality in a fragile, fertile lockerroom, his desire for huge money, butting heads with our young head coach, I could go on…
The drama is over, and while I’ll always root for him and will miss his personality and his performance, this is the best move for the Denver Broncos from an organizaitonal perspective, and first and foremost— I AM A DENVER BRONCO FAN. Cutting him would be a very positive thing for our club, so getting anything— let alone the sixth pick— is unreal.
by ButteBronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:07 PM MST up reply actions 2 recs
Perfect Observation
You make a whole lot of sense.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Don't you get that it's not about staying or going
It’s about maximizing value. We gave up control of the negotiating, and our ability to maximize value by putting the lower tender on him.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Sure,
but my point was we’re better off without him regardless anything we get is gravy. As per my argument below, the first round tender was by far the best way to gain the negotiating upper hand.
So if we get the 6th, and then give a 3rd for Boldin you would be disappointed!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
This to Elvis!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Why can't you guys seperate this stuff?
They are unrelated. If we get Boldin, we’re still looking at a single pick for a very, very talented WR
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
OK..so you are going to be bummed BM for the 6th or BM for the 14th and another player.....I think that is great value, and BM is not Top 5 WR...hes an excellent possession WR with potential. I wish him well but that is GREAT for the overall team!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Mar 5, 2010 1:15 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
If I check back in your posts
Am I going to find where you expected a 1 and a 3? Meaning, are you just ok with this now to be a yes man? Or did/do you really feel like a single pick is good value?
Even John Bena in his radio appearance today mentioned that RFA’s usually don’t get attention right away. You don’t think we could have eventually done a better deal if we were in charge?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
My opinion...
BM and Denver need to separate…for the good of the team, and the good of Brandon.
Last year, I wanted to trade him to Baltimore for Kelly Gregg and their first….pretty much similar to what we will get now.
Dont call me a yes man……you dont know me, nor have the right to make opinions on me or any person on here.
i dont agree with you….aint going to change…but dont start with the name calling mate.
It wont get you ANYWHERE with me!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Last year, I wanted to trade him to Baltimore for Kelly Gregg and their first….pretty much similar to what we will get now.
Kelly Gregg and a 1st rounder is similar? I’m not even touching that.
Dont call me a yes man……you dont know me, nor have the right to make opinions on me or any person on here.
I didn’t call you a yes man. I asked if you were being one, or if you turly think/thought that BM was only worth a single pick. That question’s been answered.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Explain why its not similar...
Baltimore had the 28th pick and Kelly Gregg was back up/ rotational NT…hows that not similar.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Dude get over yourself
you have no idea what Mcdaniels plans are. He could very well match their offer. If the contract seattle give marshall is cheaper then the 6th pick then why wouldn’t McDaniels match. You are not the end all be all on this topic. I love that you think everyone else is wrong and you are 100% right.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 5, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
who are you ranting at?
If it’s me, stfu!
For the record I’m often wrong. I’m not allowed to state my opinion though?
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:45 PM MST up reply actions
Take the #6 Pick
Normaly a top 6 pick would financialy hamstring a team but it is an uncapped year so we pay the front loaded signing bonus and make it cap friendly for the remaining years and then we can obtain an Impact player at #6. I love B-Marsh the player and I am hoping for an impact player in return.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
Yep, I think people are jumping the gun
I think we will get back our 14th pick, not the 6th pick. Looking at the rules, there is nothing stating that it has to be the signing team’s pick, just that it has to be a 1st round pick.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Agreed.
I see something like the 14th and a 4th or 5th for Marshall’s tender. That way the Seahawks have exclusive negotiating rights. Or maybe Baltimore steps up. Or NYJ, but I doubt it w/ 3rd round pick trade.
Same thing happened with Wes Welker only it was a 2nd and 7th.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
IMO he is worth more then #6 + G
So, before we know what kind of $$ he is offered, I’d say match and lock in the best WR we can hope for. There are loads of guards, but only that many excellent WRs.
Excellent WR don't win SB
Awesome OL win SB, if your QB is getting the crap knocked out of him and you can’t run the ball, you could have Jerry Rice and Micheal Irving starting and it won’t make a difference. That is why the Saints are making Evans the highest paid guard in the league, you can find WR all over the draft.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
by Broncoman on Mar 5, 2010 1:10 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
BMAN...excellent post...and McX knows this!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
it takes talent across the board, right?
So now losing a talent like BM doesn’t make us worse?
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:29 PM MST up reply actions
I personnelly like a sign and trade deal including Simms
I would take back our 1st and Simms for BM, maybe not what everyone wants, but that would be a better deal.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
If Marshall were to leave,
I sure as hell hope we get Dez Bryant…because without Marshall we are suspect at WR
by BroncosFaN88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:10 PM MST via mobile reply actions
With or without Marshall, all we need is a burner.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 1:11 PM MST up reply actions
EXACTLY
Since the departure of Javon Walker, the Broncos WR corp has been composed of a bunch of underneath guys. Even if the team brings Marshall back, they need somebody to open up the field.
This is also why I’m far less invested in Marshall than others around here. It’s comparatively easy to find capable replacements at his position.
+100....great points Chibronx!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I agree but,
Thats what eddie royal is for…we just need to utilize him better
by BroncosFaN88 on Mar 5, 2010 1:23 PM MST via mobile up reply actions
Eddie isn't fast enough.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Eddie Royals 40 time in the combine was 4.39
Thats pretty fast enough!!!
Hm... I had it in the 4.40's, and the scouting on him saying that he was quicker than fast.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 2:22 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah that’s what I understood too- quick, rather than fast.
by AllBroncsallday on Mar 5, 2010 3:12 PM MST up reply actions
everything being talked about with Bryant
points towards him being alot like Marshall…. If that is true, and i have no reason to believe it isnt, i dont think McDaniels is planning on replacing Marshall with the same type of problem
Boldin and a WR in 2nd or 3rd we can develop...that would make sense?
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
This statement makes sense
I think there are plenty of guys in the draft that can be developed.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Dez Bryant makes BM look like Rod Smith on the maturity meter
After half the stories I am hearing about Bryant, I don’t want Denver to come anywhere close to drafting him.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
That's a serious overstatement
When has Dez ever had a legal infraction? 13?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:43 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe a little over dramatic
But a guy who shows up late for games, already is hanging out with Dion Sanders, it just spells trouble with a capital T. The problem with drafting Bryant is that (I assume Stokely is likely gone) there will be no vet WR to mentor Bryant, no one like Rod Smith. I fear Bryant, if not placed in a very structured environment, will flame out quickly.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
If Marshall is gone, I'd rather have Williams in the second, to be honest.
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
plus he's basically another BM if we're very lucky
If we let BM go we’d like to get a field stretcher in return…. Of course faster guys are harder for Orton to hit …
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:49 PM MST up reply actions
3 "unnamed" sources
claim he’s late for meetings and games.
I hardly consider that credible or even an accurate indicator of his maturity or immaturity.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Story Regarding Bryant
But he did himself no great favors at the NFL Draft combine and actually alienated teams and did poorly in the interviewing processes according to several NFL experts.
Bryant is the supremely talented WR from Oklahoma State who had his season cut short and was suspended for 10 games after he allegedly made contact with an agent at the home of former NFL great Deon Sanders. Not a huge deal for most NFL Draft teams as the matter seemed to be mostly an honest one.
But at the NFL Draft combine independent investigations kept turning up information that prospective NFL teams didn’t want to hear. Bryant apparently is habitually late for practices and even games. He also made no fans when he actually took off from the combine early, not even sticking around and every other prospect does, if they’re not participating in all the events to due to injuries.
None of the teams he spoke with seemed to be all that impressed with his interviewing skills either. But this could simply be another story blown out proportion by the media and if he has a stellar Pro Day on campus all will be forgotten. After all, he’s going to be paid to catch footballs and score TDs not give interviews. He’s also hardly the only other prospect with a history of being late that’s nothing an alarm clock and stiff fine can’t fix.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I heard he bombed his interviews
but the fact remains the “late” to team functions came from a story on Yahoo Sports that named 3 “unnamed sources” claiming as much. I accept nothing from a reporter where a position can even be qualified.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Fair enough
Still makes me nervous though… good thing I’m not making these decisions. ;)
by AllBroncsallday on Mar 5, 2010 2:21 PM MST up reply actions
His failing of his interviews
makes anyone nervous including me.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Yeah really
Aren’t the players so coached and prepared that they’re fairly worthless at this point? Scary that he blew them.
by AllBroncsallday on Mar 5, 2010 3:10 PM MST up reply actions
Ignore it at your peril
T_Dot’s right- smoke = fire
by AllBroncsallday on Mar 5, 2010 2:08 PM MST up reply actions
What you guys don't get
Is that the only reason Marshall will be negotiating tomorrow, instead of McX, is becuase of the stupid tender.
Are you really going to try and tell me that Seatlle wouldn’t have called our FO to negotiate (perhaps lower price or for players and/or picks) if we had placed the high-tender. No. Absolutely not. We’re not in control in this process BECAUSE of the lower tender. Seattle knows we’re not going to match, they don’t need us; we’re not invited to the negotiation.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I get what you are saying, but did it cross your mind that maybe McX does not want to negotiate, they want a #1 for B-marsh and for both sides to move on.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
Yeah it crossed my mind
I’ve repeatedly stated that they just want to get rid of the headache and move the team forward and past this quickly. I think it’s a bad move to not try to get the best value. I even stated that I think a headace is worth an extra week or two.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
You keep acting like we can get this great haul for
Brandon. Where do you get that idea? Because he’s talented? Because he’s had 100 catches 3 years in a row(with nearly 600 passes thrown his way)>
Minor example:
For the last three years Anquan Boldin has been on the block. First year Arizona was looking for a first. Second year it had dropped to a first or second. Now in the third year? Oh yeah a third rounder is now the asknig price.
Sure Marshall is more talented. But he has far, far more baggage. 13 involvements with the police. Two NFL coaches now willing to trade him. Oh and the big value reducer, which hurt Anquan; looking for a big new huge contract. Brandon is NOT worth a Cutler style haul. It’s definitely time to reevaluate what we value him as. His problems play hell on his value. Getting a first for someone like Brandon is a coup. Raiders could only get a 4th for Randy Moss and Marshall has even more character questions
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
you should bring this up with John
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM MST up reply actions
This is the problem with your logic..
Seattle knows we’re not going to match
You are basing it on assumptions.. I could do the same..
We will get more than a first because another team will come to the table..
Or.. we will resign Marshall because Seattle will offer him a bad heavily get out clause laden and he won’t take it.
Or.. we will resign Marshall because Seattle will offer him a bad heavily get out clause laden and he won’t take it.See?
What you're not seeing...
is the bait of the first round tender pulls in a team like Seattle, then the other intereste parties get nervous (espicailly when we’re dealing with such high draft picks) and begin to call trying to deal. It won’t surprise me if #15 is dealt somewhere else before he gets on the plane to Seattle.
That makes sense only if
you believe that they wouldn’t have called us to negotiate on lowering the higher-tender. Do you really think that Seattle’s flying BM to Seattle this quick for this price, but that they wouldn’t have even called for a feeler if we had gone with the higher tender?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I'm saying the low tender was bait...
it chums up the water getting as many teams as possible thinking they want to take a shot. it didn’t matter who takes the bait. It’s great that it’s Seattle because of the high picks, but it could have been anyone. Once someone takes the bait, the serious negotions take place. That’s when you have a shot at getting much more than a first and a third.
Did it cross your mind
That Seattle wouldn’t have called at all if it was a 1st and 3rd?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
from their perspective
If you are Bowlen, McDaniels or whoever and you know that you are not going to give Marshall a long-term contract this offseason. Which is understandable considering the enormous risk that he carries with him, and the already partially fractured relationship. The tender is a way of ending this problem this month. If you place the first and third round tender on Marshall and no teams come calling, then all you hear from him is that the team handcuffed him, and stole his right to test the market.
With just the first round tender, teams like the Seahawks come and see what he is worth. There are a couple possible outcomes to this…..maybe they sit down with him and his agent and realize the guy wants way more then they want to give him. Maybe they sign him to an offer and workout some kind of a trade package.
The main thing though, is that when they decided to give him this tender, they had no idea who would come looking for him, and it could have very easily been that if the Seahawks didnt want him that noone would have wanted him.
They took a risk by giving that tender, but the reward was also there (Marshall realizing his market is not what he thinks it is, and he needs to play hard and be a good citizen for an entire year at a low salary…. and at which point his value will be higher and Denver can still control his fate with the franchise tag)
I think the decision to say: “we are solving this problem by losing him because we underestimate how desperate someone is, or we solve this problem by showing him how valuable he really is….however we are not under any circumstance going to sit here in august and listen to him complain about how we handcuffed him.”
right or wrong, management had to fish or cut bait and this is how they did it.
Xanders interview
He equated a players personality equal to his abilities. That is why I think there is a problem here?
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by 3nS on Mar 5, 2010 1:38 PM MST up reply actions
elvisalex
I agree B-Marsh is awesome and talented as was Cutler, but ask your self how many playoff games either of them have won. If B-Marsh were in the draft today he would not be a top 6 pick (esepcailly with his off the field problemsd), so the #6 is great value. I wish B-Marsh well but TEAMS win Championships, not players.
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
I understand your point, valid
I don’t care if Brandon stays or goes. This is about maximizing value, mainting control in negotiations, and siting an opinion that most are unwilling to admit.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I can see that
But remember McX knows better than we do and there is a reason why they did the 1st round only tender. Otherwise you and I would have their jobs :)
2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!
THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!
i get so tired of that out when logic fails
the streets are full of ex-coaches who ‘knew better’.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:35 PM MST up reply actions
What about this logic?
If we had offered BM the 1st and 3rd Tender, maybe no one would come calling. Maybe no one would even try because, since that’s the highest offer you can tender, we would essentially be saying: “Hand’s off, he’s ours”. If the intent is to get rid of Marshal, wouldn’t this be counter productive, thus limiting our ability stay in control? If the intent is to get rid of Marshal, and this happened, we’d be fools to start calling other teams for trade offers, because at that point, they’d know we’d over bid our hand and were still trying to get rid of the guy. We’d end up with another year of his unhappy antics and then get NOTHING in return becaues he’d be an URF.
Personally, I think we put him out there as a 1st only tender to let the league decide his salary. If the cost is too high, we lt him go and take the 1st. If the offers are reasonable, we pay the man his due and consider ourselves lucky for having gotten him on the cheap for so long. As for negotiations outside of the Tender deal, who knows. There are far to many scenarios to even speculate and get it right.
GO BRONCOS!!!
How bout this
Marshall and pick 11 for pick 6,14 and a 3rd round pick????
We then flip that 3rd to Arizona for Boldin or we sign Kirk Morrison to an offer sheet…..
We aren't going
to get Seahawks 6th pick they can negotiate a trade, and I bet we get the 14th pick back and maybe something else. But make no mistake the broncos will not match the offer.
My guess is #14 and Sims.....
I would be OK with that!
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
My opinion
Take it for what it’s worth. THe Broncos expect to get a first rounder for Marshall. They might want an offer they cannot refuse. A first and a starting G would go a long way, though in thinking about it, it seems our starting OL is all but set if Hadnot signs.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
If they just sign him to an offer sheet
The can’t negotiate the tender unless we decide to.
Worst case scenario we get the 6th overall pick.
From ESPN.com -
“The Broncos would have seven days to match any offer sheet Marshall signs. If Denver opted not to, the Broncos would receive the sixth overall pick in the April NFL draft.”
Where does everyone get this idea that Seattle has some sort of ability to change the rules?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
Having 2 early picks
would give so many positive options. We could possibly get players like McClain and Dan Williams, or possibly trade back and take players like Dez or Golden Tate( I personally prefer Tate). It would be nice to pick up Clausen too if he would fall to #6… The possibilities are endless.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Mar 5, 2010 1:17 PM MST reply actions
Dan Williams may not be necessary
As far as I know, Justin Bannan is going to be a Bronco, and he pairs nicely with Fields as rotational NT’s. Dwan Edwards is also a rumored name.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
But if you look @ McX's draft FA/Draft Strategy,
the places where they bring in vet FAs is where they will draft. The biggest clue to where we will draft is what positions we bring in via FA. If we sign a bunch of interior OL and DL, then we’ll see targets like Williams, Iuputi, Pouncey. Mark my words on this.
Look at last year, they bring in Hill and BDawk and draft McBath and Bruton. They bring in Buck and Arrington (remember JJ was still on the roster on draft day) and draft Moreno. They re-sign Haggen in early March, they draft Ayres. They bring in Goody, they draft Phonze. It’s the NE/PIT way, bring in vets to play now and draft for the future.
by ButteBronco on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
exactly. we have certain pieces in place (LT, DE/OLB, S), we bring in some guys at need positions (NT, G,C) to play until they retire and then draft guys to put those pieces in place for the future.
by black_knight101 on Mar 5, 2010 2:38 PM MST up reply actions
Davis???
We brought in Andra Davis in FA but didn’t draft any inside linebackers!
Personally I think McClain is the target an FA points to that
Ayers McClain Dj Williams Doom
Could be on of the NFLs best groups fo years!!!
Sounds like a strategy for long term success . . .
Think about it . . . you bring proven vets to keep the fort while the young bucks learn the trade. When the vets retire, you have a group of young players that understand the speed and tempo of the NFL game. The fort becomes stronger and will stay that way for years to come. Its how New England has done it and just look at how long they have been a force in this league. I love the strategy . . . lets not just build for tomorrow, but lets build for the long haul.
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- B.C Forbes
please NO clausen.
NO!!!
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by Joe Medina on Mar 5, 2010 1:20 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
can anyone remind me what happened with the seahawk's RFA strategy a few year's back
where they put in a team-specific clause to circumvent the match? didn’t they lose hutchinson to that strategy and then turn around and use it themselves?
anyway, my point in bringing it up is that, unless that became illegal, it seems like denver won’t necessarily have a place at the table and be able to force a deal to get more than just the 1st rd compensation.
by ssc on Mar 5, 2010 1:24 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Great point
“Poison pill” clauses
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
I didn't think we'd be in position for him...
but damn if we don’t have a shot at Eric Berry. I would love to have a game changer in our secondary.
Committing random acts of Brandon since 2006...
Meh, Dion Branch is washed up
Simms helps us a lot more, IMO.
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"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
We would have no big receivers
I think the tallest would be like…Jabar Gaffney? Not that you need tall receivers (Colts)
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
Starting G
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 5, 2010 1:44 PM MST up reply actions
A 39 year old
Center who doesn’t even go 300 pounds? For some reason he does not impress me. I could be wrong, but I thought we were trying to get bigger on the o-line.
Interesting, I wonder if that would nix the Simms idea.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Yeah...I will be bummed if we at least dont kick the tyres on Boldin!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Guess Anquan yelling at Todd Haley while they were both with
Arizona is now a bygone.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
i bet we called to see how much it would cost. we’ll see what it ends up being
by black_knight101 on Mar 5, 2010 2:34 PM MST up reply actions
Sayre
As far as your comment about them giving 14 and a player, we are now in a position to take the hard line. We don’t have to trade them, we can just force them to sign him (so that nobody else does) and get #6
BOLDIN NEWS
2:30 p.m. MST: Word has it the Chiefs are interested in trading for Arizona wide receiver Anquan Boldin. ProFootballTalk.com says the Ravens and Patriots are also interested.
I just realised that if you refresh Schefter's Twitter page every second, his follower list keeps changing.
It occasionally goes down, but it mostly escalates.
100,352… 100,352… 100,357… 100,359… 100,360… awesome!
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Matt Prater, pre-2009 season: Despised, lambasted, Josh McDaniels is derided for not replacing him.
Matt Prater, post-2009 season: Loved, praised, everone forgets the time when they called Josh McDaniels an idiot for not replacing him.
by Tempestuous Binary on Mar 5, 2010 2:40 PM MST reply actions
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