The Buzz in Seattle
by Broncs Cheer on Mar 6, 2010 1:26 AM MST
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PrintFor what it's worth...I've been listening to sports radio here in the NW today, and Brandon Marshall has been a very popular topic of conversation. The consensus in the Emerald City is that the Seahawks will not have to give up a first round pick to land Marshall. A very short explanation after the jump for all those of you reading this on small screens...
The assumption in these parts is that with Baltimore now out of the picture (Boldin) and other potential suitors (Dolphins, Jets) setting their sights on 2nd tier wide receivers--Antonio Bryant, Antwan Randle El, etc...--that there won't end up being much competition for Marshall and that the Seahawks will be able to set the terms and pry Marshall loose for a 2nd and a 4th (or maybe a 3rd in 2011).
Of course, the corollary here is that the Broncos will under no circumstances resign BMarsh--that, whether because of the Darrent Williams experience or Marshall's incompatibility with McD, he's done in Denver.
I'm not sure I disagree that he's done here, but I do think that there will be enough teams sniffing around to keep the price up at least at the 1st round tender, and maybe higher. I am curious though whether Branch and a 2nd (and perhaps one other pick) might ultimately be enough to get the deal done. So here's the question:
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No Branch please
Not really a fan, and besides, his ugly green gloves would clash with the Orange and Blue.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Mar 6, 2010 1:36 AM MST reply actions
Denver holds all the cards so whatever
give him a small offer and watch us match it or better. Brandon wants the money
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
An interesting thought:
You know, I would even prefer the 2nd and 4th over a 1st round pick. Sure some may believe that the 1st round pick garners more value, but I would like to again point out that:
If a team honestly does their draft homework and drafts with more of a Best-Player-Available mentality. You’re going to get your money’s worth in every round. More often than not, a later round does not necessarily mean less talent, as it does more transition. I might argue that there are many players selected in the later rounds that end up having just as much (or more) talent than players selected in the first round, it just takes a little while longer to coach them up, and unlock the player inside.
I would be happy with either the 6th over all, or their 2nd and 4th; but then again, I would also be very happy just keeping Brandon. He is an amazing weapon in our offensive scheme. Imagine his potential threat if we had a deep-play receiver on the opposite side. That guy would open up everything for Marsh underneath (well not everything, but you get the picture).
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
There is no logic
to support that a 2nd and 4th is better then a 1st round pick. I would rather take their 6th pick and hope a QB falls and someone trades up to get their Franchise QB. See the Jets last year. If we get stuck with the 6th pick then there a few players there I would be happy with. Marshall is worth at least a 1st rounder and possibly more. He is on the same level as Cutler and look what we got for him. I do not care if he has off the field issues. As much as the MSM is playing it down he has Vaule. You can not compare him to Boldin because he is a superior WR and he is also only 25 years old.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 6, 2010 9:58 AM MST up reply actions
Hmmm.. I don't really agreee there. There is some logic in it.
Yes Marshall is just as talented, if not more, than Cutler, but there are some major difference between the two situations. One of course is that Culter was a QB. This is a QB driven league, so QB’s are worth more than other positions even if the talent is the same. Secondly, that was a blockbuster trade. Trades like that don’t happen often. The MOST we will get for Brandon this year is a first round pick, and in a draft that is loaded with talent, would you want 1 talented guy, or 2 talented guys? Since 90% of the time you can’t predict who will be a superstar and who will bust, getting a 2nd and 4th actually raises your odds of landing a great player, not diminishing them.
Everyone gets so hyped about the 1st round picks, but all they are is expensive. There are thousands of guys playing college ball, and hundreds that go into the NFL every year. Those 32 guys that go in the first round are not “garrunteed” to be superstars, and they (more often that not) are no better or worse than the guys in the second round. Yes, they have more potential to start right away, but who cares? You’re usually not going to get a smart, tough, versatile guy (a guy who’s played lots of positions and been in a couple different systems) that is groomed and ready to start, hence they aren’t usually 1st round prospects.
Just a thought.
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by Alexander Wall on Mar 8, 2010 11:46 AM MST up reply actions
keep in mind...
you can probably trade that first for more than a second and fourth…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Also remember...
This is a draft that is deep in talent. People don’t want to trade their picks away. Last year had an abnormally large amount of trading. I would suspect that we see a lot less action happening in this year’s draft (as their will be competitive talent in every round).
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
by Alexander Wall on Mar 8, 2010 11:18 AM MST up reply actions
McD did quite well with Cutler
& got us max value for a talented (Cry Baby) QB. I believe he’ll do the same here. My guess is he already knows what ( & perhaps whom ) he wants in trade and we’ll be well compinsated for our loss …. or we’ll hang on to “Baby T.O./the BEAST”. Either way, Denver wins.
10-4
I don’t think we even want the #6, but anything less has to be a deal for them and I’m not believing we WANT to get rid of him. I believe we are ALLOWING him to shop himself to other teams. If they don’t want to do it by the rules of signing him to an offer sheet and see if we match, I believe they will be SOL. Burleson gone and Branch sucks. TO to Seattle. However, even if they do it by the book, I still think we match it. We don’t want the #6 or 14. Not this year anyway. There is a reason we traded it away and it isn’t just because McD thought Phonzy was way better than JWilliams. HaHa.
heres an idea
Reffering to your comment " we dont want the 6 or 14 pick this year", heres an idea. Win some darn football games then. Win some games and we wont have to deal with it. If the Faiders can pay top 5 picks every single year then by god we can pay the 6th pick this year. You dont build winning franchises by trading 1st round picks for 2nd round picks and trading pro bowl wide recievers for 2nd and 4th round picks. Thats not a blue print for success. Mcd and X will get us the right deal which will include one of those first round picks.
by johnnyurrotten on Mar 6, 2010 9:27 AM MST up reply actions
Silly speculation!
All of this is way out of hand. People getting worked up before any facts are in. When I say, " we dont want the 6 or 14 pick this year", I mean I don’t think he’s going anywhere. You say, “trading pro bowl wide recievers for 2nd and 4th round picks.” That hasn’t happened. Personally I don’t think Seattle will even give him an offer sheet because they can’t afford to part with the pick. I also don’t think we accept anything other than an offer sheet. He leaves there with an idea of the contract he could have had if he was a UFA, but since he’s not Denver keeps him at 2.521 mil this year or work out a contract. Whatever he decides he wants. I just don’t see them dealing him for less than he was tendered for. Unless we are desparate to get rid of him, which we’re not.
Good points Digger
I believe we are ALLOWING him to shop himself to other teams
Although I agree with all of your comment, this goes pretty well with what I’ve seen of McX. Marshall has been publicly said to be welcome to come back. He might be discovering to his shock that not all teams want a guy with multiple incidents and the danger of missing up to a full season for the next one at a very high yearly price and at the cost of a high draft pick. Rather than try to convince him of any of this, they are letting him find out for himself. Not a bad approach.
Additionally, Denver can have him for comparative pennies next year, much as that will offend him, and there might well be a lockout in 2011. By then, we can have more receivers trained. Will one of them get that many catches? Not if we clear up our line woes and develop a running game, and not if the overall crew plays well. Marshall, I’d note, wouldn’t have that many catches if Royal had been better, or if we had another option who was playing well. McKinley and Willis have each had a year to learn the offense and the basics of defeating press and being an NFL receiver. He’d still have most of his catches, but less overall.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
Just a note on the comment by jur
heres an idea. Win some darn football games then. Win some games and we wont have to deal with it.
jur, you’ve missed the point. These are picks that we might trade for and have nothing to do with how many games we did or didn’t win. Even the 11th is from the Bears.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
Thanks Doc.
A run game would open up Royal tremendously. If they can’t jam him at the line, he will be open more and be much more involved. McKinley and Willis are very good prospects. Do you think Gaffney could play the slot if we retain Marshall and Stokley retires?
Ummmmm.....
1st round tender means 1st round compensation. It’s part of the deal. Again, a trade is the only means by which to offset this tender attachment. Secondly, if McD doesnt come away with REAL value here, he’s going to create “hell on earth” AGAIN in the MSM. Adam Schefter is rarely wrong, John Clayton is rarely right! Im sticking with the 1st round tender, being 1st round compensation.
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
Understood...
But Hawks fans are convincing themselves that no one will offer a first rounder and that Marshall is unhappy enough in Denver that we’d trade his tender for less than that. I don’t think we will, but they seem increasingly convinced of it here…
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
Who Cares what the Chicken fans think
they are obviously clueless
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 6, 2010 10:00 AM MST up reply actions
Yeah I don't understand this debate. I had an argument
with the sports reporter from Seattle on Twitter last night, lol. About this subject. It doesn’t matter what the rumors say, it doesn’t matter what Seattle fans think should happen, and frankly it doesn’t matter what Clayton reports when it comes to the Broncos. They will get a 1st rounder for him, whether 6 or 14th pick (that’s the only debate), period, or not deal him.
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It is not their choice what to surrender if they sign Marshall.
I think they would trade #6 overall for Marshall. The Top 10 of NFL drafts are littered with expensive busts.
Marshall is a proven 100 catch+ player. Someone on ESPN said only Marvin Harrison had more consecutive 100+ catch seasons. He also said Marshall has more catches than any WR in history at his age. A WR’s job is to catch the ball and Marshall does that A LOT.
Would you rather have Marshall or Dez Bryant. Mashall or Joe Haden. Marshall or B Campbell. Marshall or E Berry.
Other than Berry (maybe), the answer is Marshall.
In my opinion.
I agree 100%
If I were Xanders I’d want to know what Marshall’s value is on the open market. Then there is no doubt and he doesn’t feel like were low balling him. We match the offer sheet and everyone lives happily ever after.
"The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy."
Martin Luther King Jr.
He's got a few issues
He lied to the NCAA reps who were asking him about visiting Deion Sanders, not knowing that they’d already talked to Deion. If he’d told the truth there wouldn’t have been a problem – nothing that he or Deion did was outside the rules. It was the fact that he’d lied that got him suspended, and rightfully so. If a player lies to authorities to duck a situation that might result in a punishment, even though thjis one wouldn’t have, trust is hard to develop.
I hate to say it, but he reminds me of the worst side of a young Marshall and with a bank full of 1st round money, I can see him getting into serious trouble – and not telling the truth about it. There’s no question in my mind that he can be a top level if not elite receiver, but I’d shy away from him.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
The only reason
I think Seattle will keep #6 is because they need OT’s and that is where OT’s are falling.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 8:49 AM MST up reply actions
Those
Are the rules, if they don’t want to part with the 6th pick then that puts us in the drivers seat as to what we would settle for, not them. The only other way for them to acquire Brandon is for us to sign him and trade him to them for different compensation, we will not do that unless we are getting max value, period. We would just have to play hardball with them.
All this Marshall "Baggage' talk.
It’s just to try and lower his value. Every commentator said yesterday that Brandon Marshall was the #1 FA player out there, and with his onfield productivity, he’s clearly worth the #6 pick, if not the #1…WHY? Because he’s done it, and done it several offensive schemes. This isnt disneyland, it’s NFL where “Stats” DO matter. Seattle can sit around all day and fantasize about getting Marshall while keeping both their 1st round picks…but they’ve been smoking too much raw Starbucks! IF you put Brandon Marshall in the NFL draft with his numbers, he’d be the 1st pick of the 1st round hands down. So getting a proven commodity for #6 pick is called a “Sure Thing”, not a potential sure thing! IF you want him Seattle, hand over the pick…if you don’t then go grab either Dez Bryant (Draft), or Antonio Bryant to play along side TJ. Dont you think there’s a reason Tampa let him walk, he’s just NOT that good. So if you want mediocre which will still cost you a 2nd and 4th, go get him. We’ll be happy to keep Marshall and continue admiring his 100+ catch season AGAIN, and watching him at his 3rd probowl in Hawaii? OR you can shut up with all the “Steal” Marshall from Denver BS, because it just AINT gonna happen.
"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM
Not only would he be the top pick in the draft.....
He’ll sign for less than the top pick is going to sign for. Looks like a win-win for any team giving up high 1st.
This whole argument is crazy...
the whole idea of Tenders is that it basically sets the minimum compensation if a team is interested in the player. It’s the MINIMUM compensation. If Seattle wants to offer BMarsh a deal, the Broncos can either match or take the first round pick.
This is not rocket science people.
Obviously the Broncos could possibly work to structure a trade with a team, which would remove the whole Tender concept… and that trade could be anything… 2nd and 4th… heck it could be a simple player swap… or even a player and a 7th… In a trade, it could be anything that the two teams agree upon.
I would agree that quite possibly Denver is not interested in having the #6 pick… so they could be negotiating other options, but at least with Seattle, the value of that #6 pick is the base line for negotiations.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
I don't know if they are going to add any rounds this year but a 7th last year would almost be like a UFA.
If that’s the case it wouldn’t hold much value. I’m thinking if Seattle doesn’t want to sign him straight out and give up the #6 then we’ll be looking at the 14th pick and maybe a 4th or 5th rd to boot. I can see McD just giving marshall away and the Hags don’t really have any players I would take, at least from their 4-3 defense.
I wasn't recommending a 7th... I was just throwing out examples...
Heck, they could trade Marshall for a bag a footballs if they wanted.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 6, 2010 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
Exactly
If Seattle wants Marshall they will have to sign him. That means Seattle is on the hook for a #6. I voted #14 and an addition pick being #40 because point value #14+#40=#6.
What people in Seattle don’t understand is that Denver is content on keeping Marshall, which drives his market value up.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 8:40 AM MST up reply actions
But the minimum compensation doesn't mean squat
IF, and this is the whole deal, Denver has decided that Marshall can’t stay on as a Bronco. I’m not sure that they haven’t decided that, and I think that anyone who is sure might want to check their assumptions. I think the DWill experience MAY have created a deep and incurable dissatisfaction with Denver in Marshall and McDaniels’ and Bowlen’s public comments could be pure posturing. Don’t get me wrong; I’d love to keep Marshall, but I’m not sure that deep down McD believes that’s an option. And if it’s not, then the market will determine the terms of a TRADE and the tender means nothing whatsoever.
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
If you had a dollar?
Do you give it away for 50 cents because you don’t like they way its all wrinkly?
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 8:52 AM MST up reply actions
No
but if it’s cut up in 20 pieces I do.
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
Thats the difference
between you and I. i would just tape it together and keep its value.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 9:48 AM MST up reply actions
touche...
assuming you can find someone to take it…
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
But... if nobody makes a offer for Marsh... he's on the hook for this year at under $3 Mil for 2010...
That is about 7 Million under his asking price… or market price for that matter. I think the Broncos would be willing to hold on to Marsh for a year if that’s the price tag.
Plus, if I’m remembering right, Marsh would be a RFA next year as well, meaning that they could do the same thing all over again if this year doesn’t pan out.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 6, 2010 8:56 AM MST up reply actions
I haven't heard he's a RFA next year, but it would be nice...
Worst case we can franchise him and trade like NE did with Cassel. We still control the situation regardless of what anyone thinks. The only negative I can see is a team with a very late round pick signing him to an exorbitant contract that we’d have to match. Most teams with late picks don’t have strong need at WR, and if they do are smarter than to throw excessive money at a FA like Marshall so I think this is unlikely.
I hope you guys are right
that Marshall lining up in Bronco orange is a legitimate possibility. If it is, then we are in perfect control. But I do think there’s a point where a coach/gm will legitimately take less than fair market value to move a player, and I think this could be one of those scenarios.
As I said though, in my original post, I don’t believe that it will come to this, cause I think there will be enough other suitors for Marshall to keep his price at at least a 1st—if that’s what we want.
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
The way I understand it is if they sign Marshall we get their 1st rd #6.
No if’s and’s or but’s about it. I don’t believe for one minute that coach is at a point with Marshall where there is no turning back. If we don’t like Seattles terms then all we have to do is match it and Brandon will be a Bronco for another year. Pretty plain isn’t it?
Now if the Hags and Broncos want do some trading then it’s different. But as far as Marshall goes, he can fall all the love in Seattle ha wants too but the Broncos still hold the trump cards…Sleepless in Seattle it is…
With Hamilton visiting Seattle, the plot could thicken.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
Why
Hamilton is a hasbeen. He was great but not no more.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 8:42 AM MST up reply actions
The only weight Hamilton would add to the trade would be about 285 lbs.
Hamilton would be a total non-factor. He has no value to the Broncos right now, so the Broncos are not going to get any value in return.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 6, 2010 8:59 AM MST up reply actions
The player that can have a bearing on this is.....
Dwan Edwards.
Seattle might make a promise not to sign Edwards for Denver taking a lower amount in a trade for Marshall or a sign and trade of Dwan Edwards.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 9:22 AM MST up reply actions
You may be onto something there
There’s also the possibility of a 3-way trade with Seattle and another team for the #14 and #40.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
I agree
The broncos won’t give Marshall away. And of course the Seahawk fans want to get Marshall on the cheap and keep all their picks so they can build their team.
My guess is from all indications their isn’t alot of team who want to pay top ten dollars to rookies so that is even more incentive for Seattle to give up their 6th pick so they don’t have to pay two first round picks.
My guess is that if the broncos get the 6th pick they trade down 20th and below and pick up an additional 2nd and 5th round pick. Or they sign an offer sheet to anothe UFA and send one of their picks for that player. Just my guess
Great Point that the 11th pick could be used for the pursuit of a RFA this year...
although I don’t see alot of RFA’s that we would be dying to go after… but not sure.
"So tell me what happened."
"Well, the last thing I remember is seeing this flash of Blue and Orange and the #22... then everything just went black..."
by HillisRanUover on Mar 6, 2010 9:01 AM MST up reply actions
I think it's very easy to say trade down for a late first and a 2nd......
I don’t know that many teams will be willing. Most good teams know that top 10 picks aren’t generally a good deal. I’m all for trading down, but I don’t think we can expect equal value (according to the draft pick values) in return. That being said if we do end up with the 6th I’d go Bradford, or trade down for a later 1st and even a 3rd.
I’m all for trading down, but I think there will be few teams who are willing to give up a 1st and a 2nd for a top 10 pick.
The market price for Marshall will be set this week..
Denver will match or raise that offer, as long as it’s reasonable. I think McD/Bowlen would match any offer to keep him, BUT….
At this point, Brandon needs to make up his mind if he really wants out of Denver. I think Bowlen and McD would let it happen, but it needs to be 100% HIS decision.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
There is no way that we will settle for less than a first round pick.
In any trade negotiations, in the back of McXander’s mind will be the thought that a 6th overall pick is a fallback option. Basically, the motivation for Seattle to trade is to offset giving up their 6th pick and getting the Broncos to promise not to match their contract offer. So, in order for the Seahawks to get the Broncos to guarantee that we won’t match their offer, they need to give us something “ON TOP OF” their 6th overall pick.
Whether they say “hey, we’ll throw in our second rounder”, I don’t know. The Broncos might be asking for more than that. In my opinion, I think that we could likely get the 6th overall and their 40th overall or their 6th overall and Sims.
This is a reasonable offer because the Seahawks would then have exclusive rights to Marshall and could sign him to whatever contract they want, without having to look over their shoulder to see McDaniels checking out what they are offering.
The Broncos will not take anything less than a 6th overall. Plus, if the Seahawks say “well, we’ll give you the 14th and 40th picks”, the Broncos will say no because, from the Broncos perspective, that is equivalent to the 6th pick, anyways. So, the broncos may as well just say “No thanks. You aren’t offering us any more value than we could get from the baseline RFA rules. We’ll just wait for your offer and figure out if we want to match it. If not, we’ll take your 6th overall (which you don’t want to do). If you want to offer us MORE, then we can trade and you can have the rights to Marshall and sign him to anything you want and we won’t match it. Pinky swear.”
The Broncos hold all the cards. If the Seahawks really want that 6th overall, we’ll use that as a negotiation threat if we don’t like an offer.
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do you seriously think Seattle will give up the 14th and 40th pick?
Knowing they dont have a 3rd round pick? Honestly. would Denver do that?
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It's either the 14th and 40th or the 6th.
They are equal valued according to the NFL draft point system.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 6, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
The broncos won't keep Marshall
And they won’t give him away. The broncos and Marshall know they can no longer coexist. I bet that Seattle has been talking with Marshalls agent and the broncos and this whole thing will get worked out. I also believe that Seattle wants Marshall just as bad and will pay fairly to get him. Rememebr they lost one of their own FA receivers this week
Kgrone
Remember what the Jets did in order to pick Sanchez last year. I agree it isn’t easy, but I think it is just as unreasonable to believe the way the market is that the broncos will pay money for a second year for two first round picks especailly when one of them is the 6th overall and if you buy into the draft points chart the 6th overall pick is worth (6th pick is worth 1600 pts) is equivalent to the 21st overall pick (800) the 40th overall pick (500) and the 60th overall pick (300)
so that 6th pick is #20 (first) #8 (round 2) and #28 round 2. So you see how valuable it can be
I understand the value of the #6...
I’m going on the assumption that Bradford is gone, and Claussen may very well be gone by the time #6 rolls around. I could be wrong, but if either are there at 6 I take them and don’t trade down. If they aren’t then I try to trade down I’m just not sure how many willing partners there will be.
I’m no Orton hater. I think the guy may be really good, but we likely won’t have a top 10 pick for some time, and I’d prefer to pick up a potential elite QB while we have the chance. If Orton pans out then we’re in the great situation that Philly is of having 2 good QBs and not knowing what to do with them. If Orton doesn’t pan out then we’re covered.
You do not always need a top ten pick to get a QB in the
1st round. Look at Big Ben and Aaron Rodgers.
by gnarlybroncodude on Mar 6, 2010 10:07 AM MST up reply actions
Yes
That is why I don’t understand people saying that they’d rather just have the #14 than #6. that is the difference of #40 a high second. You just don’t give that away and tell Seattle, “Awww I’d rather have the #14 if I could.” That is worse than trading this years #14 for last years #38
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by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 9:41 AM MST up reply actions
I am with you Kgrone
I would love to see the broncos actually use the 6th pick on a QB (preferably Bradford) if he is there or even the Safety from Tennesse Berry, or if one of the stud DT were to drop to that pick. I am just being realistic from what I have seen as to the prospects of Denver actually keeping the pick, using it, and paying for two first rounders. But I for one would love to see them build the team through the draft and using 2 first rounders would certainly help.
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