Brandon Marshall Open Thread: Seattle Not Expected to Offer WR
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 2:10 PM MST
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The Brandon Marshall visit went as planned, and as expected, Denver likely will not be receiving the 6th overall pick in April's draft (as expected). Via Adam Schefter of ESPN.com:
The Seahawks are not expected to tender an offer sheet to restricted free agent Brandon Marshall during his Saturday visit.
ESPN's Adam Schefter labels the visit a "get-to-know-each other" session as opposed to a full-court press to get Marshall to sign. The process is not expected to happen quickly, and the teams could engage in trade talks in lieu of Seattle surrendering the No. 6 overall pick.
Trade talks, trade talks...The Broncos have to figure they should get equal value to the 6th overall pick if Seattle is not willing to deal. Denver can keep an All Pro caliber receiver at a cheap price if Seattle does not sign him, so the Broncos are in no position to have to lower his value, contrary to what some Seattle based reporters have speculated.
If the Seahawks want Marshall, a first round pick is coming to Denver. If not, the Broncos have made a mistake. The Broncos could get back their first round pick (14th overall) and require Seattle to add a 4th round pick and possibly another player as compensation for Marshall. It has been rumored that Rob Sims is very available, as he was only offered a 4th round tender.
Sims is a guard who could help the Broncos inside, and just checking over Seattle's roster I can't find any other player who would be equivalent to another 4th round pick. Perhaps a 2011 conditional pick in addition would suffice. Who knows really at this point.
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I just said that 3 minutes ago on a different post.
Seattle’s not going to steal him with an offer sheet. They have to make a deal. Question is are we that desparate to get rid of him?
I don't think it's desperation
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 12:07 PM MST up reply actions
Maybe they just want to see if other teams are interested, and what they’re willing to give up.
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by BroncoCountryHawaii on Mar 6, 2010 12:01 PM MST reply actions
Agreed
Sayre, I’m with you on this one 100%. We absolutely cannot – and must not – concede BMarsh’s tender for anything less than a Rd 1 pick, even though the market for him seems to have dried up with the Ravens scaling back. But there’s no debate. And I think Rob Sims is worth a punt on a 4th round pick…
Absolutely
We will see how it all formulates…could be an interesting day
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 12:09 PM MST up reply actions
up here in seahawk land Sims is considered worthless!
Their largest area of need is O line…. anyone they’re willing to lose may not be very valuable to us.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 1:33 PM MST up reply actions
Hadnot Updates? Is he still in Denver? How are the Dwan Edwards’ and Marques Murrell’s meetings going?
I tweeted Adam Schefter
see if he responds LOL, but I asked if he had any updates
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 12:08 PM MST up reply actions
Could be that BM is asking too much. I hope so.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
If reports are true
that he turned down 9.5 million from us, then maybe he is
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 12:10 PM MST up reply actions
Good point
I read that in the DP today. Never heard it before that. What’ve you heard about that offer? Does it sound like there’s any substance to it? I know he was offered a deal at one point, but that he turned it down due to the restrictions and trouble-clauses, but I’ve never heard a number that high until DP today.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Conversation
Seattle: Brandon this is what we like about you and how we feel you can work in our plans. How does that work for you.
Marshall: Great!
Seattle: OK Now we are prepared to offer you a contract in this price range. Does that work for you?
Marshall: Let me discuss this with my agent. Yes, my agent says that is reasonable.
Seattle: OK this is going to cost our club and we are not willing to part with our draft pick. So lets see what we can work out with the Broncos.
Marshall: OK
Seattle OK there is nothing more we can do right now. We’ll keep in touch.
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by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 12:17 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Absolutely possible
Also possible that he asked for the keys to the Space Needle along with $9+M per year. O
In seriousness, I tend to think that “guaranteed” money is going to be the sticking point. It makes sense for a team to negotiate his price down through the media by acting like they’re in no hurry, on the fence, and somewhat disinterested – anything but desperate. I mean I think we all agree that BM would be tough to negotiate with.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I said this on another thread but
This could very well mean that Denver is going to get another year of Marshall for relative chump change: $2.521 M for the year or so. It’s a $400k raise for #15 and a humbling experience for BM to see that other teams don’t think he’s worth more than a #2.
This is the best possible scenario for those who want us to keep Marshall. Question for you elvis, I think it’s safe to say that you (and many of the other MHR faitful) had thought something along the lines of "Marshall’s gone, we undervalued him…" is this a surprise to you?
I hope Marshall’s a Bronco, personally, and I truly hope he’s a Bronco for $2.521 M. That’s my best case scenario.
Answer:
I’m beginning to think I over valued his “outside” worth, but not his inside worth.
It’s no surprise that a RFA isn’t garnering much attention at this point, though. It’s normal for teams to pick the UFA’s relatively dry before making the more desperate pushes at guys you have to give up picks for.
On the other side of it, I’ve long opined that I don’t have a strong opinion on whether to keep Marshall or not. I could take him or leave him, and don’t care which way it turns out. Both sides have merit, and I’ve not really taken stance as to whether he SHOULD stay or go. I have, however, taken the stance that he IS going.
But it does surprise me, though, that there’s a very distinct possibility he leaves for a single pick. I absolutely do not support that. He is worth more to our team than a single lotto ticket. That’s the sole reason that I’ve campaigned against setting the bar so low. Love him or hate him, BM’s production can’t be replaced with a single pick.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I actually hope we keep him if we can't get a top 5/10, or a 1 and a 3
My preference has always been a combo of proven player(s) and picks, but I don’t see that as much of a possibility now, since the tender was set at the lower level.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
1 top twenty ? No Deal
Must be the 6 or the 14 and compensation
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 1:36 PM MST up reply actions
Respect
I respect your willingness, elvisalex, to admit you may have previously made a faulty assumption. And I agree with you that we are better off keeping him then settling for a single pick.
One thought though, what about using a second first rounder in order to go after someone else’s rfa? Its hard to give up your only first rounder for one of those guys, but if you have two, I’d much rather get a proven player for one of them then draft them both. And with the 6th pick especially, if that turned out, I think you’d be looking at pretty similar salary commitments. Personally, I’d consider going after Vincent Jackson from San Diego. He may not be better overall than Marshall, but he is a totally different kind of receiver (field stretcher) that I think fits in better with the other receivers we’ve got, particularly Eddie Royal. And if they match, at least you are taking money out of San Diego’s wallet that they otherwise might not have to spend.
With two picks in the first-round, potentially,
I’d be open to moving at a proven guy at the cost of a 2nd round pick. I hope the FO would be also. I like “proven’s” better than picks, most of the time, depending on how high the pick is versus the value of the vet. The first-rounder you suggest is harder to say yes to, guess I’d have to know the situation. I wouldn’t go postal for a proven guy, even at the cost of a 1, so long as it’s great value at a position of need.
Vincent Jackson is an entirely different topic. You hit it by saying he’s a field stretcher, which is something we need. But we need that more when we have Marshall. It presents a “who do you double” aspect. Marshall’s a posession guy. That’s no knock, just saying he’s the go to on intermediate passes, and a threat to break tackles. Adding a deep threat opens things up more, and Orton could catch a cb burnt from time to time when the safety’s worry about stopping Marshall.
Without Marshall, and with a guy like Jackson, you can stretch the field, but you can’t keep the safety’s home as easily. And without the worry of a guy like Marshall, defenses aren’t going to get burned by Orton hitting the long ball too often.
I guess what I’m saying is that in our offense, “posession” receiver isn’t a bad word. It’s a necessity. How good would Randy Moss be without Wes Welker? How good would Brady be if he only had the deep threat of Moss without the underneath headache of Welker?
I do like the idea of making SD spend =)
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Just My Humble Opinion
If Seattle doesn’t want to part with the 6th overall I say we need to get the 14th and their 3rd round pick, should be 6th overall in the third but haven’t researched it. There is no point in getting rid of him just to get rid of him. Anybody think with all the Darrent Williams drama Marshall would take less from any team other than the Broncos just to get out of town?
I think there are complications behind the story.
1) Marshall does not want to play in Denver. Denver isn’t going to want a guy on the team that brings down the program. They want to get rid of him if he doesn’t want to play here.
2) Other teams know this. As bad as they may want Marshall, a 1st round pick is a lot to give up for a WR that is a suspension risk.
3) Denver CAN get a first round pick, but ony if teams are knocking on the door to fight over him. If they aren’t, Denver really isn’t in the driver’s seat at all.
The problem is, the media (and we as Denver fans) may think that there is more interest in Marshall than there really is. If we aren’t getting SEA’s first round pick, it means teams think Marshall is poison and aren’t willing to deal for him.
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"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 6, 2010 12:38 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
That may be true
It will be helpful to Denver when they negotiate a contract with Brandon. I’m not convinced Marshall is leaving Denver. Right now I’d say 50-50
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I don't get this? Drivers seat of what?
If no team want’s to give a first for him he plays with us. This year is different than last year when he was under an existing contract. If he doesn’t have a good year then his value can plummet, but if he comes back and behaves with a stellar season then teams will be knocking down Marshall’s door next year (if next year is on) and he can deal with hume he wants. To say that Denver isn’t in the ‘DRIVERS" seat is a misnomer and not exactly true. On the other hand Marshall can say, OK I’ll set out the season and he can do that, but there is no guarantee that there will be a season next year. Sitting out 2 seasons in a row would be a be blow to his career and he won’t make any money for two years. So, what would you do if you were Marshall? You would play and behave!
Driver's seat?
What I was implying is that if Brandon isn’t traded or signed by another team, he has to negotiate with Denver. I really don’t think it is in Denver’s interestto try to make him play at the tendered amount. It helps Denver in negotiations because it allows Brandon to realize where he stand on a league wide bases. In the end, I think if Brandon plays for Denver, he will be paid a fair price but less than Brandon thought he would play for.
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by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 2:30 PM MST up reply actions
yup
I don’t see the point in retaining him for one more year, at the tendered contract amount just so he can leave next year and we would receive no compensation. It makes most sense that if he wants to leave then we get what we can for him now.
I really hope that their is another team or two getting involved in this so we get more leverage.. but i don’t see how denver goes down in value from a first.. would defeat the point of the tender imo..
The driver's seat comment was actually responding to Steve (teach) not you 3nS.
Denver really isn’t in the driver’s seat at all.
Either way, I believe the Broncos are in a win-win situation with Marshall. He either leaves and we get compensated for him at what we wanted (first rd pick) or he plays another year in Denver under a lesser contract than he would actually like. Bottom line, he’s our player to do with what we want. Myself personally, I could care less if Brandon Marshall is still in Denver come game time, but in all fairness, Marshall in his last year of RFA should have the biggest season of his young career without issues. That is if he wants the big payday next year.
We agree on the major point.
This is a win / win. We either keep a good player, or get something back.
Still, it isn’t as simple as “he has to do what we want him to”. Sure, he’s tendered. But human behavior doesn’t fit the rules smoothly. While we “could” make him sit, realisticly no team will pursue that course. Being a business, no team wants dead money sitting on a bench. At this point, i really don’t think Marshall wants to stay in Denver, and I don’t think we want him. The funny thing is, nobody else is banging down the door for him either. For those reasons, I think we’ll take what we can get. That may not be Seattle’s 6th pick. We’ll take what we can get to move him (Just my opinion).
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 6, 2010 3:46 PM MST up reply actions
Do you place value on the win/win?
At what point would you consider it a win/lose? Is there a situation where you would consider it a mistake to rid the team of Marshall’s production?
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
With Marshall's production....
…comes a lot of downsides too.
Consider that Marshall’s production isn’t causing teams to knock down our door to get him for the cost of a first round pick.
This isn’t a zero sum game, where some folks think Marshall is a god and others think he is a loser. I understand that Marshall is an outstanding player, and I also understand that his value is tainted because he is a risk. At the moment, only one team is calling on him, and that team isn’t too high on giving up a first round pick so far.
Really, I don’t see any losing scenario. If we keep him, we keep a player with production (with yet another year of hoping he grows the hell up). If we lose him, even for minimal or no compensation, we get to move on.
I think Marshall’s production would be worth a first and a third if he was a good character player. Under the current circumstances, I think he is worth a 2nd round or a combo of picks not including a first. I may be wrong, but so far the NFL market seems to be showing this too.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 6, 2010 7:08 PM MST up reply actions
I left you a comment on another page
Missed this originally. Thanks for respodning, know you’re probably busy.
Still hope you give me reason to think that there are circumstances where you disagree with the company.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Btw
It’s not really ab-normal to have relatively quiet “restricted” free agency in the opening days. But you know that.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
You've got a point, Steve
no team wants dead money sitting on a bench.
That’s the truth. In this case, does Denver have an advantage? I recall Marshall getting in line when he realized that a suspension would mean that he doesn’t get paid. After a little while, he was fine again – for a while.
If no one pays what Denver wants, and Marshall is forced by circumstance to return, I suspect that he’ll misbehave, get a short suspension (with money withheld) and decide that isn’t in his best interests. I know that he doesn’t want to be in Denver, but after turning down 9.5 mil, he’s not going to let whatever he can make next season get away from him.
If there’s a lockout in 2011, he’s gone from the team anyway, yes? I’d prefer to get something for him, but even so – if no one, pardon me, plays ball with him, he’s stuck with Denver (and they with him).
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Agreed with all.
One thing worth considering…
You and I are assuming Brandon’s choices and behavior based on our own context (rational thought). Some of Brandon’s motivations and thinking are shaped by a mindset that doesn’t always seem rational or mature (to me). It may be hard to predict if he responds to normal patterns of “reward and punishment”, given his choices in the past.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 6, 2010 7:03 PM MST up reply actions
I'm most likely dead wrong on this one
But I’m not convinced about this point:
i really don’t think Marshall wants to stay in Denver, and I don’t think we want him
While I will grudgingly agree that Marshall may want out, I’m not so convinced that McDaniels truly wants to see him go. As I’ve mentioned elsewhere, I’ve found the sequence of events intriguing:
a)Marshall acts up in the off season.
b)McDaniels suspends Marshall.
c)Marshall expresses his frustration, but comes off the suspension and produces.
d)Marshall acts up in the regular season.
e)McDaniels benches Marshall.
f)Marshall expresses his frustration (cleaning out his locker, etc).
g)Both McDaniels and Marshall say that they like working with each other.
Add in the high tender placed on Marshall, and the initial non-response by the majority of the teams, and Seattle’s choosing to not sign Marshall to an offer sheet, and I’m left wondering if Brandon might not be being forced to reevaluate himself and his attitude. I’m also left wondering if McDaniels/Xanders weren’t expecting this to happen.
Maybe this is all wishful thinking brought on by working with a student whose behavior reminds me a lot of Brandon’s. We have gone through a series of oppositional behaviors (akin to not showing up for OTAs), followed by a consequence (akin to benching), and each time, the student has latched onto me more tightly as a mentor. I’ve read where one of McDaniels’ greatest strengths is as a teacher. Maybe that’s why I’m still not convinced Brandon’s on his way out.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 7, 2010 4:22 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
+1 Saved me the typing :)
I am with you on this one 100%. I respect many contributors on this site, but I don’t see the “definitive” evidence that Marshall wants to leave, or that the team wants him gone… This is still an unknown that should play out in the next few days/weeks. I believe the team would pay Marshall market price, or more, and be happy to keep him. It’s going to come down to whether he truly wants out…..
Yes, eventually he will have to decide, which he has a hard time doing, but I don’t think it’s a given yet.
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This is my point exactly Brian and I too have seen people with similar behavior.
We can’t be certain that McD/X is putting on the poker face with Seattle even if they counter-offer us with a less than first pick. All we hear around here is that nobodies knocking down the door of Dove Valley for Marshall, when in fact we don’t know what’s going on behind closed doors and what we get is on what ‘resources tell us. Which has been very little the past few days. Teams not wanting to get in a bidding battle will secretly negotiate on the side, we’ve seen it happen before, it’s nothing new. I for one hope the team can come to some kind of agreement and sign marshall long term. I know he has had a past, but in those instances I could see a person reaching out for help and nobody has seemed to handle it the right way. IMO I believe he is to valuable of an asset to just give away.
If nobody wants him, sign the tender and offer him an extended contract with an inclusive part for issues. If he refuses, pay the tender and get another years worth of service out of him and then he can go elsewhere in 2011 when the there is no football and he won’t get paid.
Denver's only not in the driver's seat
if they have a huge problem paying Marshall for now at $2,5m and trading him later when there is more demand in the marketplace for him because a team’s deperate or needy.
Denver is in the driver’s seat if they’re not married to trading Marshall.
so - in essence
Denver’s doing a sign (for now at a very low rate) and trade (later, for when the market is there, which it will be).
You're assuming he signs his tender
He has no reason to sign it. If he signs his tender Marshall loses all leverage. He’s not going to do that.
Soyou see, Denver really isnt in the drivers seat.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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but what else is he going to do? if nobody else signs him to a normal offer sheet, then he just has to wait to see if tender will agree to a trade
by black_knight101 on Mar 6, 2010 1:22 PM MST up reply actions
Thats pretty much it
HE can basically sit out without getting suspended. At the point he has no value to Denver because he’s not playing and they havent moved him for anything.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
but that would be dumb for him personally. if he sits out this year, then no football in 2011? his value goes WAY down. he’s got to do something.
by black_knight101 on Mar 6, 2010 1:48 PM MST up reply actions
He's got to make some money this year just for the jewelry, threads and cars.
The ego wouldn’t be able to handle not making the money, especially the money he thinks he should get.
u may be right but i doubt it.
I’d want marshall if i were an nfl team… Seattle has many more needs than WR…
like somebody said above… teams will explore other options before giving up picks right now
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 1:39 PM MST up reply actions
Nice post Sayre
It would be quite the coup if the Chickens kept both their first round picks and managed to obtain BM. The only way that is possible is if we are desperate to move him and that makes me a little uneasy to say the least.
Such an enigma
Looks like the media, and fans are less than impressed with Marshalls antics too.
by WYO(MF)BRONCOBOY on Mar 6, 2010 12:39 PM MST reply actions
Just the tip of the ice berg!
They are obsessed with everything Marshall. In a perfect world Seattle would lock BM up and dump Branch at the same time. SCARY THOUGHT!!
They are free to dump Branch............. I just hope they don't dump him in Denver.
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by Troy Hufford on Mar 6, 2010 12:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
agreed
dunno why people think he’s a legit receiver…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
I wonder if the Rams are going QB, whether they’d be interested in surrounding him with talent, such as BM. If so, get their 2nd rd pick and something else? Just a very random thought.
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by BroncoCountryHawaii on Mar 6, 2010 12:55 PM MST reply actions
If they don't they may have some assinations in St Louis.
Even though they haven’t drafted a quarterback in the first round for several years, this is a time they can’t afford not too, IMO. It would be coachal-suicide if they don’t and I don’t see any quarterbacks in free agency that bust out at the seams of, ‘take me’…
I don't know... 'The President"
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by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 2:39 PM MST up reply actions
Ha Ha jay, it was *assassinations* sorry
I know. Why don’t we have a spelling contest? Doc Holliday referring to Ike Clanton.
No need for apology.
I can especially appreciate it, because in my feeble attemts at typing, I often get in a hurry, and typed that vey word on several occasions. I was just lucky enough to catch it before posting.
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by jayrockstone on Mar 7, 2010 10:34 AM MST up reply actions
Leverage
Count me out of the camp that believes that the Broncos have all of the leverage in this scenario. By lessening Marshall’s value by not tendering to him the highest value, the Broncos signaled they wanted to move him. As time goes by, the teams willing to sacrifice to get Marshall are diminishing in number, not increasing. Baltimore is now out of the running.
I can’t imagine a coach like Josh McDaniels wants Marshall back at any price next year, nor that Marshall would be the camper he would want in his locker room. This is the year for Josh to produce, and he doesn’t want distractions.
My read on it is that some teams with extra draft picks may make a play for Marshall, but not at the level of a high 1st round choice. Some compromise deal is likely to emerge, probably one that is face-saving for both franchises.
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 12:57 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Why wouldn't he? Marshall would be an excellent player this year (his last in RFA).
I don’t think the bridge is burned down between McD and Marshall either, but the coach is will to let him see for himself what his value is on the open market. Seattle not signing him won’t be such a bad thing and we get his services cheap for his last year. Now say if New Orleans signed him we would only get the 32nd pick of the first round and if we didn’t like it could match it and go on. The Broncos have most of the leverage, as they make the final decision of Mashall’s fate.
Disagree
While I know that I would love to have Marshall’s tendered salary, I don’t think you will have an enthusiastic WR next year in Marshall if things don’t change. I don’t think McDaniels wants any player who is not 100% on the bandwagon. Pretty clear that nearly all of the Shanahan leftovers are on borrowed time. Speaking from experience, people who are underpaid or underappreciated seldom give maximum effort. I don’t buy that management calls all of the shots. Unhappy employees will mean a dysfunctional organization. Finally, I think the current trial indicates that Marshall is best off in a town other than Denver. That death continues to haunt this franchise.
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 2:03 PM MST up reply actions
I Beg To Differ
only because at Mid-Utah Radio I work my tail off and I don’t get paid. Effort is up to the employee and I’m proof that payment CAN be immaterial.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 6, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
But
do you consider yourself underappreciated as well? BB mentioned “people who are underpaid OR underappreciated,” and I tend to agree with his take on that…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
When you put it that way
No, I don’t feel underappreciated. Touche, illustrious friends.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 6, 2010 4:58 PM MST up reply actions
Hahahaha...
I was actually curious. I am always fascinated by how different people approach their work. I learned from my father that a man should put his all into his work, regardless of how much others do or do not appreciate him. I know other people who feel that you work for money, and good work MUST be acknowledged. I’m just always interested to see different perspectives on that…
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
I believe always give em more than they pay for and you can never go wrong.
and ya feel better about it too unless you’re the type to feel sorry for yourself… hard to be a man like that.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:21 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
To add to Bradfather's words
Here’s why I think the Broncos, like any other corporation, holds all the cards. Suppose you are working in a firm that you loathe. You want to move on, but you are stuck for one more year, as your contract mandates. You know that potential suitors are looking at you. Would you want to muck your work up, sabotage what your company is doing, thus giving the impression that you are not fit for those other companies as well?
My gut feeling is that if we do keep him, the Broncos will get a very productive BM. Not just because of the reasons I (and Bradfather stated) but also, because BM will have an extra chip on his shoulder that no other team coveted him enough to give him his dough.
The real problem lies in the fact that if we do retain him this year, and there is a season in 2011, he would be a UFA, and we would get nothing in return for him.
god created earth in 6 days....on the 7th day, he took a break and created elway
I agree that's how most of us would act in that situation.
But Brandon knew coming into this season that he was auditioning for other teams, whether through RFA or through the trade he wanted. Instead of playing the good soldier and showing he had matured, he instead posted good-byes on his website, threw his little temper tantrum in training camp, got suspended by the team, then did whatever he did to get ‘sat down’ for the last week of the season. Whether he was late to a mandatory rehab session or was shutting it down after getting his numbers, hardly what you would expect of someone on his ‘best behavior.’
Part of the problem here is we never know how his head is going to be screwed on from day to day, let alone for an entire season.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
To that, I say
true true. I guess we fans will have to see how this thing pans out.
god created earth in 6 days....on the 7th day, he took a break and created elway
UFA
Would he actually be an unrestricted free agent? He has 4 years in, under the current rules a player has to have 6 years service to be an UFA. Barring no new agreement he would be a RFA again next year wouldn’t he?
Agree...
…but, there is no way the season happens next year without a new CBA.
The owners want a smaller salary cap%, and a rookie payscale… for them to get that, my guess is at minimum we go back to the 4 year RFA in return, with even the possibility of some things like franchise tags, etc. being renegotiated to better suit the players in exchange.
So yes, you’re right, but chances are under a new deal BM walks next year.
Reminds me of The Clash
Should Brandon stay or should he go …now
Should Brandon stay or should he go …now
If he stays there will be…Trouble
If he goes it will be …Double
If anybody sees this somewhere else this is where I meant it to be.
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Concern over Marshall not getting traded
My biggest concern would be Marshall’s attitude if he did not get the trade he has clearly been begging for and ended up staying with Denver for his 1 year deal. I cannot imagine him being a big morale lifter if his dreams of getting out of Denver are not fulfilled.
It is very possible that no owner will be willing to give up a first rounder for trouble waiting to happen. Baltimore sort of set the table with their lower round picks traded to Arizona for Boldin.
I’d rather have extra picks to build the team on instead of the drama time bomb that BM seems to ignite each season.
by sid66 on Mar 6, 2010 1:25 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
exactly
you have to pick apart and consider EVERY element in this issue. I believe that the FO is thoroughly dissecting this and will not panic and rush a deal.
"I can do all things through HIM who gives me strength"
"Death had a near Chuck Norris experience."
by BroncoCountryHawaii on Mar 6, 2010 1:34 PM MST up reply actions
If the Broncos keep Marshall for one more year it would BEHOVE him to be at his best.
That is if he isn’t the most stupid individual on the planet.
There's the rub.
He’s shown time and time again that he can’t stay out of his own way. Even if he knows what he ‘should’ be doing, he just can’t seem to avoid things he ’shouldn’t’ be doing.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
On the ohter hand
He hasn’t been arrested in well over a year now. Of course, there was the “watch me pout and pout” thing last August, and the quit on the team thing last January.
All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.
William Blake
yeah, and sadly
I think a lot of teams would be scared off more by the latter than the former.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
I want to know why you think the Broncos made a mistake?
If not, the Broncos have made a mistake.
Plain and simple if the Sea hags don’t want to sign Marshall we can have back with us for another year for peanuts and Marshall will know exactly where he stands on the open market. Marshall is his own fool with his character issues. For being the person he has been for the last few years, it might bite him in the butt for a huge sum of money. My thinking is, he is insane!
by bfree2bronc on Mar 6, 2010 1:39 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I Will Have Marshall
back if that’s how it plays out but we’ll see what happens.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 6, 2010 1:45 PM MST reply actions
What bothers me about how Seattle fans/John Clayton are saying a 2nd and a 4th..
Doesn’t everyone remember last year when we asked for David Harris and a 2nd for B marsh? Thats a pro-bowler and a 2nd rounder. And his value has almost certainly gone up since then.
We aren’t gonna be cheapskates on this.
Has his value gone up OR down?
After the training camp video? DOWN. After the Dallas, NE, Indy games? UP in a huge way. After the last week of the season and the trial? Almost certainly down again. If there is a silver lining in this whole RFA standoff, at least the team will get a good idea just where the rest of the league gauges Marshall’s value, because that value seems to be somewhat schizophrenic and just as unpredictable as is Beast.
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
What about after week 16 when he got his 100 receptions for a third time?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
Why are the Broncos letting Seattle screw them over two years in a row?
Tell Seattle…we want YOUR first rounder or eat dirt – just like they did to us last year.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
yeah,
we begged them to screw us last year…
We'll show them!
They’ll only get Marshall, and our first next year, in exchange for their 2nd this year!
And with the 32nd pick in the 2009 NHL draft, the Red Wings select: Someone other than Ryan O'Reilly. LOL@Detoilet.
by Bob in Boulder on Mar 6, 2010 3:56 PM MST up reply actions
Marshall arrives in Seattle by...
Another article that tries to quanify Marsahll’s value. I think the only people left that think we’re getting a first rounder are in this open thread. lol.
by ButteBronco on Mar 6, 2010 2:19 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
I must agree with
Baltimore bronco, no matter how talented Marshall is and how much fans want him back becasue of his talent, he absolutley needs to go, becasue he will be a player who is less than enthusiastic, who is playing for a 2.6 million dollar tender. And by the way somewhat like Mutumbo years ago, even if he plays for the 2.6 million this year, there will be no way he comse back to denver in the future and we would lose him for nothing
i doubt he would sign the tender without knowing he is going to be traded. we’d have to sign him to a contract
by black_knight101 on Mar 6, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
I don't think so
Bowlen is to good of an owner to make Brandon play for the tender amount. They’ll negotiate a fair 1 year contract and Brandon will be determined to make a better name for himself.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 2:35 PM MST up reply actions
and then he's a FA next year? If they sign an agreement? not.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
That's Why
I believe the players should revolt against DeMaurice Smith and mete out a new CBA. It’s obvious he doesn’t have their best interests in mind.
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 6, 2010 3:06 PM MST up reply actions
i dont know, i can see him holding out til the end but i don't see a work stoppage happening.
I wish they’d work it out quickly though. I hope they get that rookie cap in place while they do it too…
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 3:43 PM MST up reply actions
sorry,
but that makes no sense. Neither side would agree to a one year deal.
bit o' bad news..
Fox31 Alert : Source: Free agent C Rex Hadnot has left Denver without signing a deal at this time.
Hope we still have a chance.
Remmember....
When some here said we were crazy for just useing a first round tender on Marshall? Hmmmm……….can’t even get an offer for just a first, let alone a 1st and 3rd.
Yeah, I was one of them
You do understand, though, that it’s absolutely normal for UFA’s to be picked clean before the RFA’s are looked at, right? Generally a week, a month, it’s not uncommon to get towards TC.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I still the Broncos should just pay the man his freakin’ money and end this ridiculous circus.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
I agree
To some extent, he is a bit risky though. Would need some sort or protection in the contract in case he were to get into trouble again.
He’s very risky.
What’s that they say about risks and rewards?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
True
But that does not always pan out either. I mean what are we talking about really? The only thing anybody wants is to build a team to win the big dance, how did that work out for Dallas and T.O.? Not saying this is the same thing, just an example of what is perceived as compared to reality. I think what happened in this case is that McDaniels and company had feelers out trying to assertain what other teams were willing to give up for Marshall, they found out that nobody was going to part with a 1st and a 3rd, so they used the lower tender hopeing for someone to bite. That has also turned out to be a bit harder than they expected.
Sorry Broncanatic, but your statement about Dallas and TO is nuts. You can’t build a “super bowl winner” without good players who make the playoffs.
All the arguments about TO being bad for Dallas’ championship aspriations are crazy. He was a dominant player at his position, and helped his team make the playoffs multiple years.
The fact that the team didn’t win the SB has nothing to do with TO, and probably more to do with the fact that the Eagles, Packers, Cardinals, Carolina and Giants were simply as good/better teams than Dallas those years and the playoff luck didn’t go their way… if TO hadn’t been around, Dallas likely wouldn’t even done as well as they did. It is not like Dallas was winning in spite of poor play by TO… he was a key cog in their offense, until age bit him hard 2 years ago.
Hmm
You just made my point for me. I am talking about building a team, not just haveing one great player.
Absolutely
So TO in his prime was not a good part of his team? He didn’t prevent them from having other good players like Romo, Witten, Ware, etc.
It is not like they gave up a lot of other talented players to get him… I guess I really don’t get the point you were trying to make with the Dallas/TO example.
The point
Was perception versus reality, he was perceived by many to be the one missing piece Dallas needed to get to the Superbowl, that’s all I was saying. Sometime one player is not all that is needed.
But here the risk is greater than normal.
The next time he gets in trouble is an 8-game suspension? And a full season after that? Or is his year without legal troubles enough to ‘reset the meter’ with the NFL?
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
He’s also a much greater reward than normal.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 7, 2010 12:15 PM MST up reply actions
i'd pay him a top 10 incentive laden salary right now.
How much do you think a young kid would like to be shown he was appreciated?
it’s a fine line but telling him we don’t give a sh!t if he goes…. that’s no good.
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:28 PM MST up reply actions
I think we should pay him like the top 3 NFL receiver that he is.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Mar 7, 2010 12:16 PM MST up reply actions
While I agree to a degree
I think simply paying Brandon a large contract right out of the gate would, in essence, be enabling all of the behaviors that drive us -as fans - nuts about Marshall. It would in essence say “You can be a dork, miss workouts, have off field issues, be suspended, be benched, and still get the dollars you want.” There would be no incentive for him to change.
I think this off-season, so far, has been a humbling experience for Marshall. His tender showed that the Broncos valued him but weren’t going to break the bank for him. Seattle’s choosing to not sign him to an offer sheet should have sent him a message also. If the rest of the summer passes in the same way, I think we’ll see a more humble Marshall back in Dove Valley. I’m also inclined to believe at that point that Bowlen may very well choose to pay him more than would be required by the 1st round tender.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
I agree with Poster, but there's a problem
Considering the fact that he turned down 9.5 million per year, I think that we were trying to pay him like the player he is. He just won’t take the money. Brandon has a bizarre self-image that always has him somehow misunderstood, not at fault and put upon. At times he seems to ‘wake up’ but soon returns to the same, self-destructive behaviors that have marked his college and pro career as well as his personal life to date. I understand that he’d like to leave Denver and I’m sympathetic, but so far, no one wants to pay the price that a top 3-5 receiver should get other than the Broncos.
I’d like to see him back. I’d also like to see him happy, but is going to have to come from within him, not from some contract. When he turned down 9.5 million, he proved again that Marshall’s biggest problem is Brandon.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
Justin Fargas
is drinking champagne tonight because he doesn’t have to play for the Faiders anymore!
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Mar 6, 2010 4:54 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
hahahhahahhhaha
good call…very rarely has someone been so happy about being cut!
- Nick
"We got 'em right where we want 'em!" - Keith Bishop, right before John Elway orchestrated The Drive. 'Nuff said.
La Canfora reporting that BM is to stay the night in Seattle and visit the facility again in the morning???
I find it very hard to believe that we will not hear of a deal being done before Brandon gets back on that plane to fly out…The Hawks will not let this opportunity, to get a known commodity, go without serious effort…Especially after losing Nate Burleson and preparing to likely release Branch…I believe they will want to retain their #6 to hopefully use on a QB or OT and will want to work out a trade with the Broncos for the 14th and 101st (4th rd.) which are actually very close in Draft Value to the 6th pick…And, I am hoping that McDnX are not interested in Rob Sims as I believe we can do much better with some of the other options that are out there…
With Brandon in town, (probably) being courted at dinner tonight, maybe a few cocktails with Housyomama later on, a good nights sleep for all, and a deal done by brunch in the AM!~!
Oh yeah…Just my opinion!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
your opinion sounds spot on to me.
I don’t love it!
by Whidbey Bronco on Mar 6, 2010 5:30 PM MST up reply actions
The Seahawks will negotiate a deal in principle with Marshall
Then they’ll negotiate a trade Denver for Marshall’s rights. The high end of the negotiations will be a first-round pick but it could end up being a lot less (or include a combination of lower picks and/or future conditional picks).
There’s no reason to think that the negotiations will end up with the Seahawks giving up the #6 (or a combinations equaling that value). That would be like walking into a used car lot and offering to pay 30% over the asking price for a car. If they wanted, the team with the 24th pick in the draft (I’m too lazy to look them up at the moment) could sign Marshall to an unmatchable contract (by including language that would guarantee the entire contract if he played more than 5 games per year in the state of Colorado) and Broncos would only get the 24th pick in return.
The Broncos’ FO know this and the Seahawks’ FO know this. This is why nobody outside of MHR think that the Broncos will get the value of the #6 pick. If I was a betting man, I’d predict that the Broncos get a 2nd and a late-round conditional pick or a rotational player.
Preach on
I wouldn’t be surprised if Indy did something like that giving up essentially a high 2nd round pick, think of Manning with BM, Clark, and Wayne, that would be a deadly offense.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
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"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
The top 8 teams are unable to sign FAs
unless they lose one first. Its often called the “Rule of 8”:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d8168af5d&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
But yes, aside from the top 8 teams, any team could do this. The only thing stopping a team like Philly or New England from just signing Marshall to a contract (with a poison pill) is that they don’t think he’s worth both a 1st-round pick and the contract. If he’s not worth the 22nd or 24th pick, he’s probably not going to get you the 14th pick, let alone the 6th pick.
Way around
They would not be signing him they would be trading for him. Perfectly legal.
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by 3nS on Mar 6, 2010 6:52 PM MST up reply actions
Yeah, I'm not sure how that works, but its possible
The top 8 teams can sign FAs if they lose FAs that sign contracts greater than or equal to the FA that they want to sign. Depending on the FA rules, they could also probably have another team sign the player and then trade for them, but the signing team would have to give up the pick.
1st off
you forgot composatory picks at end of the 3rd to make it about 105 instead of 101. 2nd either one+the #14 are nowhere near the same value as the 6.
Close enough for the girls I (used to) go out with...No way are we getting the #6!!!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 6, 2010 6:01 PM MST up reply actions
lets just hope BM
doesnt get any seahawks shot at, that would leave a sour taste in their mouth for sure
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
That's good news...Edwards will (would) be a good get!
-Stick to the fight when you are hardest hit - it's when things seem worst that you must not quit!
by BroncoSense72 on Mar 6, 2010 5:37 PM MST up reply actions
Really not that surprising
I was really surprised with the idea Seattle would give up the 6th pick for BM, we all expect the league to pay through the nose for BM, it isn’t going to happen. I really would be happy with just a 1st round pick, simple as that. If we somehow get multiple players then great, but expecting someone to fork over a long term guarenteed deal for BM and give up multiple picks, isn’t going to happen.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
True
and if we really are trying to get rid of him we will do it for less or maybe the same as what we gave to get Phonzy.
Anything less than the 6th pick in the draft for BM is a complete failure
If you can’t get that high of value you should resign Brandon Marshall to a long-term contract. Simple as that. So we trade him for a lower pick and maybe another BS “guy who wasn’t a starter but was a back up to an elite starter!” No. I’m sick of that. Niko Koutouvides types seem to be the ceiling for this franchise in free agency anymore. It’s got to stop.
So we trade Marshall, end up with a lower pick and some guy in a trade like I mentioned above. Let’s say we end up drafting Dez Bryant — who has major character questions by the way, like Mr. Marshall. What is the best we could expect Dez Bryant to be as a player? If he reached his absolute peak potential it would be hard-pressed to say he’d ever be any better than Brandon Marshall, whom we already have on our roster. So why settle for lower value? Why? That’s really the only question now and it is a fair one. Don’t give me this first round draft pick crap. Plenty of first round draft picks turn out to be complete bums. Prove me wrong.
Poor grammar
Resign, should have been re-sign in my post. My fault.
by Business Socks on Mar 6, 2010 6:08 PM MST up reply actions
How do you
even consider resigning Marshall. It is not going to happen. He doesn’t want to be here. We don’t need his headaches anymore. He is cancer in the organization. We would be lucky to get a 1st rounder considering Boldin just went for a 3rd and a 4th.
Forget his personal situation for a minute.
Let’s assume he doesn’t care where he plays. Let’s just assume that for a minute. Humor me. What in my post do you disagree with having that in mind?
by Business Socks on Mar 6, 2010 6:11 PM MST up reply actions
So
your saying he doesn’t really care where he plays and he is just another restricted free agent? Then I think we try to sign him to a long term contract. If not then I guess we just hold onto him for the year and hope we can hammer out a contract. But if we can’t then he leaves and we get nothing.
Such are the tough decisions you have to make an an NFL exec.
This is a big time business. Tough decisions are part of the process. Look I’m not saying one decision or the other is right. Just think it is a very interesting debate.
by Business Socks on Mar 6, 2010 6:40 PM MST up reply actions
The fact that he was tendered for a 1st and not a 1st+3rd
Means that Denver is happy getting back a pick in the 20s. It would be a success if the Broncos got back assets of that value.
Couldn't disagree more
Respectfully of course. If Brandon Marshall, with his talent and production as an established NFL WR, re-entered the draft right now after a strange rule change where would he go? Not in the 20s. That’s for sure. I think it’s hard to argue, based on strictly talent and production, that he is one of the top 3 receivers in the NFL right now. What is that worth? A chance we may draft the next Jarvis Moss, George Foster or Ashlie Lelie?
by Business Socks on Mar 6, 2010 6:38 PM MST up reply actions
Like You Said
That’s the risk of being an NFL exec. However, considering his enormous baggage, we would be lucky to get a 1st round pick. We aren’t going to get the #6 pick. Don’t get me wrong. I would be thrilled to get the #6 but i think it is highly unlikely.
As much as I agree that
we should take no less than the 6th from Seattle, we could be getting a lot less. It’s just a 1st round tender. If NE suddenly becomes interested, we will be looking at the #22. I still say if no offer sheet no deal. It’s not our fault their pick is so high. Besides they owe us.
This is what having Favre on your team must feel like
is he staying or going?
by nolesbroncos3456 on Mar 6, 2010 6:29 PM MST reply actions
well thomas jones is visiting KC
hope that does not lead to 400 yards rushing against us next year
"Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that."
"We laugh to stave off madness."
what's the bigger risk?
Keeping marshall and risking all of his off field issues
Or
Dealing him for a lousy 2nd round pick and hopefully getting a decent player?
Right now I would risk the off field antics for more 100 catch seasons. He is an established top receiver, and I would risk a suspension for him.
by aldawg33 on Mar 6, 2010 7:00 PM MST via mobile reply actions
At the same time
a long term deal just not in the cards for him yet from us I don’t think, so an offer sheet and he’s gone. We get the 1st round pick of whoever wants him. Simple as that. Otherwise don’t call us we’ll call you.
seriously
It should be a win-win for the broncos, not a lose-lose. Either another team signs him or we keep him.
by aldawg33 on Mar 6, 2010 7:17 PM MST via mobile reply actions
The DP says
“The Broncos are to steer clear away from the matter. There is no compensation discussion in the offer-sheet process.”
If we sign Edwards
Do we have to give up a 3rd rounder?
NO
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Mar 6, 2010 9:14 PM MST up reply actions
I'm a little worried
About the lack of traffic at Dove Valley. I was expecting a few more signings today.
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