Broncos want first rounder for Mashall
With all the talk of Seattle offering less than a first rounder in a trade for Marshall, Michael Lombardi gives us comfort by saying it's a first rounder or bust.
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I'd like to know Lombardi's source for this
The Denver Broncos won’t negotiate a trade for Marshall. Either a team is prepared to pay a first-rounder or move along. Denver will not take calls on Marshall; it’s either an offer sheet or he plays in Denver next season.
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didn't understand
I was reading all over the internet that Seattle would negotiate a trade for lesser compensation? Why would Denver do that? They hold all the cards, if you want Marshall, sign him to a offer sheet and give up your 6th pick. Denver has all the leverage right now.
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I disagree.
1) No one is banging down the doors for Marshall. There’s only one team, and they’re negotiating.
2) Marshall has made it clear he doesn’t want to be here, and we don’t want dead money sitting on a bench.
3) Lombardi has no sources. And while he says there is going to be another team after Marshall, he doesn’t know who they are. What?
If Marshall was going to go for a 1st round pick, wouldn’t teams be lined up?
I think the reason that most of the media is reporting that Marshall is being negotiated for less is because, well, because he is.
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"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 7, 2010 12:57 PM MST up reply actions
1st rounder
It is still early in the process so there is still time for other teams to get in the process and honestly with this year being a weak draft for wideouts and knowing what Marshall can do, I believe another team will get in the mix. Marshall didn’t want to be here last year either and look at the numbers he put up. The media has no sources on Seattle negotiating for less, because in my opinion, I doubt Seattle has even talked to Denver yet about Marshall. Again, this will be a long process.
Looking forward to the second year in McDaniels system! Royal will tear it up! GUARANTEED!!
I agree the process is long.
But if teams were chomping at the bit to get Marshall, wouldn’t they be worried that someone else would get him first? Seatlle has shown some interest, and yet no other team seems willing to jump into the mix to get Marshall to their city before Marshall signs a deal. Also, if SEA wants him badly enough, they can just cough up the first rounder. They haven’t yet.
We may still get a 1st rounder, but I just don’t think it looks that way. Lombardi doesn’t give any indication in his article that there is reason to believe otherwise.
(I’ll be happy to be wrong!) lol
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by Steve Nichols on Mar 7, 2010 1:18 PM MST up reply actions
Ist rounder
My thinking is more wishful thinking definitely because I know I wouldn’t give the 6th overall for Marshall but if I had 2 like Seattle I would give up the 14th. I seen Lombardi on nfl network around an hour ago and the way he talked, it seemed like he was saying what he would do if he was in the situation, and not from the aspect of having a source. They did say though that he was still in Seattle so something is happening.
Looking forward to the second year in McDaniels system! Royal will tear it up! GUARANTEED!!
If there was a team looking at Dez Bryant in the top 10-12 though.....
They would be much better off trading for BM. He’s a proven commodity vs. unproven, and will likely be very close on contract demands.
that's the crux of the dilemma
It’s a fair price but too early. I take the smoke coming out of Seattle as enticement — ‘bargain and we’ll settle on #14." Appearing to be too eager is a tell. If they’re willing to give us a #14 then they’re willing to offer Marshall and pay full price. And if we’re willing to bargain then we’re willing to settle for less than #6. Lots of posturing right now.
However, part of the problem is Marshall’s bargaining stance. I doubt he and his agent are offering much value to teams. My intuition tells me he wants too much. There’s been an absence of realism evident in this thinking. He’s a like a drunk who can’t get sober until he reaches rock bottom, but he hasn’t so he goes on exhibiting the same behavior because his thinking is marked by manic delusions when he’s not in trouble. He lacks the incentive to change his behavior because only a catastrophe would have sufficient impact on his psychology.
no goats, no glory.
I believe the reports (in this case)
I’m not trying to backtrack on my past comments about the dangers of relying on unsourced reports but bargaining positions are supposed to be leaked. This is one instance in which a team would want it to be known through back channels what they’re seeking. This is one of the few instances in which the grapevine becomes a legitimate venue for spreading information.
We don’t know whether reports come from authentic sources — just that it serves Denver’s interests to be spreading information about their bargaining position, which would parallel their public position. Oddly (or perhaps not), the ‘real’ story that people believe (including football people) is the backchannel information. It’s the Dark Secret that supposedly reveals Denver’s ‘true intentions.’ As we saw in the Cutler issue, unsourced stories can malicious or even planted — as was the case with news of Denver’s true intentions regarding Cutler, which appeared in a Williamson report vaguely attributed to a “source close to Cutler.” Grapevines can be exploited by unscrupulous PR pros but they can also be used for legitimate purposes.
I expect that there is a subtle jockeying going on between Denver and Seattle. It’s a game of bluffing, since bargaining positions aren’t ever known. It’s like playing poker, you don’t tell the other side which cards you have. The entire point is to establish your position, which is why backchannels are useful in this case. Moreover, other teams are watching the proceedings with an interest on bidding, so both Denver and Seattle have an interest in portraying the situation is a certain light, which would favorable to them.
no goats, no glory.
bluffing isn't the only dynamic
They can bluff all they want but they still have a hand to play. The dearth of FAs creates a market in which game-changing prospects are hard to come by. Assessments of Marshall’s value (including my own) place him lower in terms of market value but scarcity works to our advantage.
I think Seattle is the best situation but price is the sticking point — thus the smoke over price. Personally, I wouldn’t mind taking a #14 pick (ours) for him, but it would premature to acquiesce to those terms at this point.
One odd aspect to the dynamics is the fact that another team can offer less even though it’s still a #1 pick. The problem is the better teams, and thus teams that pick later, are limited in their ability to acquire FAs. I can’t help but wonder if there’s a realistic potential for trades involving teams who can’t sign RFAs or are limited in that regard.
no goats, no glory.
Agree on the 14...
Too early, but at this point I’d probably take that if it was a final offer.
I don’t want to lose BM’s productivity, but at the same time I’m not sure I want him on the team. If we could pick up Iupati, or D. Williams, or Pouncey in his place it would take a good bit of the sting out of losing BM.
by Kgrone on Mar 7, 2010 2:53 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Posted this then saw you already did.
Deleted mine…but this is front page news – its been promoted up. :)
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Listen, T.Dot.......... Imma let you finish...
but Beyonce had one of the best fanshots of all time…..
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 2:15 PM MST up reply actions
Haha....
I’m imagining KB at that awards deal busting some heads and protecting T. Swift’s honor……
hahaha, or opposite.
Maybe if I pulled a Kanye West and embarrassed her on stage, she might tackle me.
All my dreams….
Then, I would have to change my signature. hmmmmmmm
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 2:51 PM MST up reply actions
You're looking too short-term....
You protect her honor on national TV and you could be….“Drew”
haha, good point, Kgrone.
I didn’t think of it that way. Here’s the new plan.
I’ll just offer one of my idiot friends ten bucks to run on stage and steal her award and run down the middle aisle. I’ll run in, attack with a swift Brian Dawkins suplex tackle and save the award. Then, the soft music plays like at the end of a sappy movie……errrr…….. I mean romantic comedy. It’s a music award show, so it won’t be very far fetched to have music playing.
And they lived happily ever after…
It could work………
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 3:02 PM MST up reply actions
I'll steal the award for $5....
If you make it a marquand manuel tackle and not a Bdawk suplex
What does a Marquan Manuel tackle look like?
I remember what a Marquan Manuel “dive at the ankles while the ball carrier walks into the end zone” looks like.
I don’t know if that would impress Taylor very much…..
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 5:27 PM MST up reply actions
Take a Brian Dawkins tackle
Remove the power, skill, determination and effort. Now you’ve got it!
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
If you'd use a N. Webster tackle....
Then I’d be safe, and she might possibly be impressed with the dancing and jumping around you do after the fact….Just a thought.
Now THERE'S an idea. lol
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
So, to paraphrase....be myself. hahahaha
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 8:45 PM MST up reply actions
Perhaps.....
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by kentuckybronco on Mar 7, 2010 2:48 PM MST up reply actions
I understand that the market is down for WR's
but it seems like if the Broncos want a first round pick why settle for less? At least trade his tender rights for Seattle’s second first rounder (our original one). I mean if they don’t want to trade a first for a proven wide receiver and try to develop a receiver themselves let them. We can use Marshall this season. Hopefully he wants to stay once the DW trial is over and he sees how good the offense can be this season for him, just make sure he doesn’t get his 100 catches until the last game of the season ;).
by ColoradoAggie11 on Mar 7, 2010 12:56 PM MST reply actions
There have been rumors of other teams interested
Anyone see anything other than wishful thinking? It would be nice if true, but I haven’t heard any specifics.
Don't say rebuild - say reload...
Agreed.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 7, 2010 1:19 PM MST up reply actions
That would be calling Mike Lombardi a liar,
but I guess he like other journalist have stretched the imaginable truth once or twice in their lives.
I posted this earlier, but it would be a fool heartdy position not to negotiate
And here is why (this has been modified) – but a team say with the 24th pick could sign BM and then trade him to Seattle for the 14th pick, thereby giving Denver the worse pick, Seattle gets their player for the compensation they want to pay, the 24th team gets to move up in the draft for acting as a middle man, and the Broncos get lower value for BM.
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I also think we would be stupid to just to resign him for the tender offer
If he doesn’t get a long term deal and noone wants to sign him and give us a 1st round pick, then think how pissed BM is going to be playing another season at bargain basement rates, he already has no love for Orton after Orton ratted him out to McDaniels the last game, so if you think he won’t pull some major antics next year, think again.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
AND....
The longer Seattle “Toys” around and believes the ramblings of John Clayton in hopes they’ll get Marshall and keep their 1st rounders, the more likely they’ll turn this into a risky and potential failure to execute.. Seattle is in a great situation with 2 1st rounders. They have another leg up already by having Fisch/Bates who truly know and have SEEN what Marshall can do for a team. Another BIG advantage….
NOTE TO SEAHAWKS…
You can’t get an NFL top 5 WR/2x probowler and not give up the TOP pick…and you’d be damn lucky to get him! Anyone you would get at #6 would still cost you at least as much as Marshall with that pick anyway? But the odds of grabbing a probowler and a real difference maker in the 1st round are slim and none, and slim just ran out the backdoor. He’s the real deal…if you want him, sign the sheet and put a true NFL superstar next to TJ, but stop trying to play with house money. You’re going to lose Marshall….everybody’s watching you right now, you’re on the clock? And you know what, while a change of scenary might be good for both, we’d love to have him back next year! Who’s out there that’s better?
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by Hogblog on Mar 7, 2010 1:15 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
Assuming that teams aren't knocking down the door to get Marshall....
….why should we expect SEA to give one up? We started the bidding at 1st round, and nobody is biting.
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"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Mar 7, 2010 1:21 PM MST up reply actions
It's still early in free agency..
As far as i’m aware teams don’t really start looking at rfa or talking with them until after the initial ufa rush.
That could explain why other teams haven’t already come out saying that they want to speak to him, they could also be biding their time to see what other interest there is for him.
Very true
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
ditto on their having the picks
Oddly, the fact that they have our #1 makes it much more likely they’ll finally relent and part with their #1. We had that luxury last year and it made selecting Moreno a reasonable pick — despite criticisms.
no goats, no glory.
Agreed
We don’t have to let him go anywhere. We have nothing but time
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Honestly
Nobody knows whether another team is interested or not, maybe Seattle is the front runner, all other teams outside the first five picks know that if Denver wants a first rounder they can’t outbid the 6th or the 14th overall pick. Plus the last 4 playoff teams I believe can’t even bid on him unless one of their own unrestricted/restricted FA get signed which may not happen right away but if it does, they may amke a play.
Alot, of different variables and senarios attached to this one.
Plain and simple
We’d be stupid to let him go for anything but the 6th overall as it stands. That’s the tender, that’s what Seattle needs to pay if they want him, if not we keep him. Market value hasn’t gone down, Jones may look stupid for the Roy Williams deal but Arizona looks twice as stupid in my book, Boldin could easily have been shopped for more, the 30 other teams, tell me they don’t offer the same deal or similar to Baltimore’s? You have to be firm in situations like these , honestly, does anyone believe that Marshall is worth less than a first round pick? If I needed a great wide receiver I’d give two 1sts for him.
P|L|H
They don't though
Read above idea, but what is to stop a team like Dallas or Philly from signing BM, the trading him to Seattle for the 14th pick, Denver gets the 24th pick and Seattle gets the player for what they are willing to pay, and Dallas gets to move up in the draft acting as a middle man.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
we can always match the contract if we think he’s worth more than the pick we’d be getting
by black_knight101 on Mar 7, 2010 2:42 PM MST up reply actions
oooh i got one!!
Depends on how Dwan Edwards’ physical goes for if he’ll get a Denver offer. Back is a tricky issue for teams to consider.
From Aaron Wilson..
Pete Carroll . . . And your answer is?
Josh McDaniels . . . Your 1st #14 and a 4th rd pick!
Pete Carroll . . . Is that your…Final answer?
Josh McDaniels . . . My hands on the button isn’t it!
Pete Carroll . . . Uh-Umm . . . [Swallows hard on own tongue] OK then!
Josh McDaniels . . . Thanks fool! Whew!
I have a few positions on this.
1.) One reason Denver might not be willing to work out a trade(if it’s true) is because they still want Marshall as a Bronco. By not being willing to work out a trade, they could still be looking to see what Marshall is worth, and then match whatever offers are given. By working on a trade they are removing that option from the table.
2.) Why would a team not be willing to give up a first round pick? The best hope for a first round pick in any draft is to have what would result in a player with production similar to Marshall’s. Marshall is still young, which leaves plenty of years of production left barring any injuries. In regards to his off-field antics, a lot of times, teams will know about those things on players before the draft as well, based on their college reputations etc., and yet they still take them. Basically I look at it this way: Would B Marsh be worth a first round pick if he were being drafted(he’s still young)? I think the answer is yes, therefore I believe Den can get a first rounder for him.
Here’s the problem I have with that, if they want BM to be a Bronco, then sign him and be done with it, quit trying to play this game of having a team sign him or not. What they are doing is assuring themselves of having a disgruntled WR that is in the same position he was year ago.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Or...
They are letting him see that maybe his value isn’t as high as he thinks it is on the open market….
I don’t think we necessarily want him here this year, but I also wouldn’t let him go for peanuts. I do think that McD and Xanders understand all this stuff better than we do, and they have better knowledge of what’s going on in the background.
I agree that if that is their position, then they should just sign him and get it over with.
On the same note, as it has been stated several times previously, if teams aren’t willing to give at least a first for BM, it will be kind of an eye opener for him, it might have the effect of humbling him… Of course there are risks with that as well.
signing a contract requires two parties – Brandon almost certainly wants to go around and see how much other teams will pay him, even if he would like to remain in Denver.
by black_knight101 on Mar 7, 2010 2:44 PM MST up reply actions
Also, by giving it some more time, and by not being willing to trade(or at least trade right away) they still have a win/win situation. If they don’t get a first rounder for him, then they have at least one more year of good production from BM, because he’ll want to get his value up for FA next year. If there is an offer to BM, then Den has the option of matching it and keeping the production, or they get a first rounder.
No matter the case, they hold all the cards imo.
Seattle is well aware of Marshall's prior history, it is no secret.
Seattle is interested in marshall’s services or they wouldn’t have bought him a plane ticket and fed him seafood at the Seattle fish market. Interviewing him means interest in him, period. The problem with Seattle if they sign his tender then they would have to give the Denver Broncos their #6 pick of the draft. That’s a huge amount prospect talent value to give up and if Marshall for some unseen reason get’s in trouble and has an eight game suspension laid upon him. That would severely injure the #6 pick to given to Denver and their lost services of Marshall for half of the season. That would be a hard pill to swallow and they realize that. Top prospect receivers have been taken higher than that before and Marshall in terms of production is much higher than any prospect, this is true. But, his character issues make it hard to make that final decision and Seattle is traversing that course with caution. If they want him bad enough they will give us our #14 back in a trade like deal, but we may have to give something up as well, maybe a 5th next year, I don’t know. Seattle can say, look we want marshall but we aren’t willing to give up our #6 without something to boot, say maybe #2 or 3. Denver might go with something like that and everyone is happy.
I am moving forward with the belief that there will be a deal that works for both parties. I don’t foresee Marshall back in Denver other than to play us. There is a deal in the works behind closed doors and whatever Mr Lombardi is stating without a source is hollow whispering to the masses.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 7, 2010 3:41 PM MST reply actions 1 recs
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