Land of the Restricted is Tough Going for Brandon Marshall
by John Bena on Mar 8, 2010 9:15 AM MST
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How about a story that's NOT about Brandon Marshall? Sounds nice, but not likely. Marshall is the big name still swimming in the free agent waters, even though he's restricted. Much of the talk last week was the Broncos decision to extend a qualifying offer to Marshall that required a 1st Round pick in return should a team decide to sign Marshall to an offer sheet. Teams would be lining up to try and screw the Broncos for their desperation was the opinion of many.
The weekend came, the weekend went. The result? A fancy splashdown landing in Seattle for Marshall in what was termed a 'get to know you' session between Marshall and the Seattle Seahawks. Cue the 'Price is Right' music when someone loses.
No one is really wrong in all of this because no one really knew what the market would hold for Marshall. In the new world of the uncapped NFL, we've a little bit of everything, and nothing, all at the same time. We have certainly found out now, and for those that thought teams would be lining up to try and get Marshall, well, surprise!
So what happened? Let's investigate.
Brandon Marshall is an incredible talent. We all know that - the NFL knows that. There is, however, a perception around the League that skill position players are worth less the further they are from the ball. The Patriots are big believers in that. What does that mean?
Don't turn the exception into the rule. Larry Fitzgerald is a stud. We all know that. You pay for the elite. After that upper echelon, however, receivers all kind of fall into place. Need proof? Look at the Week 17, when Kyle Orton threw for a career high 431 yards. Jabar Gaffney caught 14 passes for 213 yards. If the names were Cutler to Marshall instead of Orton to Gaffney, fans would be gushing. All this happened, of course, with Marshall and another 'weapon', Tony Scheffler, sitting at home.
The end result was a loss, of course, a 20-point embarrassment at the hands of the Kansas City Chiefs. There was a similar result, a double-digit loss, when Marshall caught 21 passes against the Indianapolis Colts. Sure, a 12-point loss to the AFC Champs is better than a 20 point loss at home to the Chiefs, but only to us fans. They count the same in the standings, and both equally cost the Broncos a playoff spot.
You don;t think teams are looking at that, or consider that in their on-field philosophies? You have a right to your opinion, but the crickets you hear coming from the Brandon Marshall news-wire should.give you some indication.
There is the water-plane landing in Seattle, with the hug shown-'round the world between Marshall and Pete Carroll. The Seahawks, of course, have no desire to give the Broncos the 6th pick in the Draft. Why Not? Think about it. 300+ catches the past 3 years, Pro Bowls, NFL Records? What player can the Seahawks get with that resume? Even with little to no competition for Marshall's services, why would Seattle give an unproved college guy all that cash when they can give it to a 'proven' commodity?
Unless you're elite, or the Oakland Raiders, receivers simply aren't valued like that.
Of course, there is also Marshall's off-field history which has to get considered. Remember, Pete Carroll is a players' coach. He's loose, likes to have a good time. Is that the best scenario for a guy like Marshall? It's a recipe for disaster if you ask me. Marshall needs tough love - the kind the Broncos showed him. He has said as much. Going to work for Coach Country Club may not be such a good idea.
So where are all the other teams? Easy. They are all accounted for. Let's start with Cincinnati. It was reported yesterday that the Bengals were looking into making an offer to Marshall. Let's set aside the fact that Mike Brown is cheap. They didn't want to pay a talented receiver they had in T.J. Houshmanzadeh, why would the throw the cash at Marshall?
There is talk that this was simply a smokescreen. A can partially go along with that, but not by the Broncos to drive up the price for Marshall. I could see Marshall's camp, via Brandon's Agent, to try and create a market for Marshall to try and force the Broncos into a panic move. Word is the Seahawks would rather trade something along the line of a 2nd and 4th for Marshall. Even if the Seahawks are trying to make it the 14th pick, why should the Broncos settle? That is, unless another team, with a lower pick in the 1st Round, is making a move for Marshall. Too bad it is too easy to see the forest through the trees with the Bengals. Mike Brown is not going to throw $40 or $50 million at Brandon Marshall.
What about another team? There are always a few teams that ignore off-field issues and bring guys in. Each has a reason, however, why Marshall is not likely to be in their plans.
1. Oakland Raiders - The Raiders don't care about a guy's reputation and they have no problem over-paying for a Wide Receiver. They drafted Darius Heyward-Bey long before anyone thought he would go in last year's draft, and signed Javon Walker to a HUGE contract - $55 million worth - even though he had missed 12 games the year before. The Raiders, of course, are not going to send a 1st Round pick to the Broncos. Al Davis is not likely to deal with the Broncos in such a large scale, despite making a deal with Denver a couple of years ago for Gerard Warren.
2. Dallas Cowboys - Jerry Jones has no problem spending money, and his previous signings of Pac-Man Jones and Tank Johnson, along with Terrell Owens, proves he'll take a chance on talent. Problem is, the Cowboys have spent the past couple of years getting rid of those types of guys - going more for character instead of tabloid headlines. Add to that how the 'Boys were robbed blind by the Lions for WR Roy Williams, and the emergence of good-guy Mile Austin, and the Cowboys have little need for the headaches that might come along with Marshall.
3. Washington Redskins - Daniel Snyder can buy anything - and anyone - he wants. He never has really cared much for Draft Picks. With the arrival of Bruce Allen, the latter might change. What hurts Marshall, however, is the arrival of Mike Shanahan. It has been reported numerous times that Shanahan was looking to dump Marshall after the 2008 season. Shanny was fired, of course, before getting the chance. While those facts have been disputed, the Redskins' absence from the Marshall 'sweepstakes' says it all.
4. Baltimore Ravens - That was the popular pick as a landing spot for Marshall. They are on the cusp of being Super Bowl ready and have a huge need at WR. Instead of Marshall, however, the Ravens went for cheaper, older and just as talented Anquon Boldin. The Ravens gave up a 3rd and 4th round pick for Boldin and a 5th rounder from Arizona. The Ravens then signed Boldin to a 3-year, $25 million deal($10 million guaranteed. Interestingly enough, it is the same type of deal I think Marshall is worth - 3-years, $27 million($13.5 million guaranteed). Yes, Boldin is older and has some injury concern but his only off-field issue came from unhappiness with his contract.
Cut those 4 teams out of the mix, and the pickings become slim. Sure, a team like the Patriots, who tried to get Boldin as well, could make a surprise move, but with Moss already on board, and a youth movement on-going, why would Bill Belchick bring more question marks into his locker room?
Marshall has said, as recently as yesterday, that he is still open to returning to Denver. Josh McDaniels has said the same thing. The actions of both have said something different all-together. The reality of it is, however, unless something surprising happens, both men may just get what they have publicly stated and privately abhorred - another year together in Denver.
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Thanks, John
Great summary.
I’ve been moving in the direction that Marshall will be in orange and blue in 2010 for some time now.
I still can’t shake the feeling that as much as McDaniels may (or may not) be annoyed by Marshall’s attitude, our Coach sees the value in having Marshall as a target for Orton, and may well have worked with Xanders to create a scenario in which Marshall is allowed to test the waters, discover that he’s not as valued by other teams as by the Broncos (i.e. teams not wanting to surrender a 1st for him), and hopefully return the Broncos with a greater willingness to roll with what McDaniels tells him to do.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Marshall sending a message about his preference
by sporting a Nirvana-esque flannel shirt at the Nuggets game?
Andrew Feinstein at Denverstiffs said the guy sitting next to Marshall had to remind Marshall to remove his cap during the national anthem.
And it makes sense for the Broncos to not part with Marshall without getting a #1 in return. The Bolden trade was bad news for both Marshall and the Broncos, making keeping Marshall more likely than not.
flannel's back in these days....
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Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions trolls. In all odds they probably just want to learn. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one (unless you're a resident of WCG).
^Needs further explaining: I have yet to post anything on WCG, don't worry, I'm not trying to rationalize anything I've done. I've just lurked over there and man, they are the model of post-peloponnesian war Athens.
Michael Lombardi on NFLN
I tend to listen to what Lombardi says as much or more then anyone else in the MSM, and on NFLN last night in a video that can be seen on the front page of www.nfl.com (it is titled AFC West outlook) he said (i am paraphrasing a little here):
“I’m told reliably, that unless it is an offer sheet with a first round pick attached to brandon marshalls signing, Denver is not going to return a phone call. They basically went to Brandon Marshall and did him a favor, we could easily put the 1 and 3 on him….if you want to move then it’s a 1. no talk”
I’m not saying this about anyone in particular…. but when the news came out about just the first round tender, there were a fair number of people tearing into MCD/X.
Sitting here today, the only real competition for that tender is from Seattle…. so Denver is looking at either the 6th pick in the draft, or a highly motivated and well behaved WR for a steal of a price.
If we are going to tear into MCD/X before anything has been decided, then given the current evidence, they should also be praised before anything is decided.
However, it is becoming quite clear that MCD will always be torn apart before a situation has been played out….and his praise will have to wait until he wins 2 super bowls like Shannahan….. who deserved his fair share off off-season outrage.
by DW76 on Mar 8, 2010 10:00 AM MST reply actions 3 recs
Great points...
And like I said here – http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/3/1336053/inside-the-offer-why-the-broncos – there are reason the Broncos did what they did, and they knew what they were doing…
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lmao i was just writing that when you posted it!
Sooo.. it was Marshall who decided on the first round tender, or at least consented to it in order to see what was out their for him.
Sooo.. it was Marshall who decided on the first round tender, or at least consented to it in order to see what was out their for him.I have little to no doubt that if he was a ufa he would be gone this off season..
This whole offseason has provided wonderful confirmation that the team is being run by grown-ups with patience, a long-term plan, and a good tactical mastery of the draft, the cap and free agency. Just like last year, everybody had an opinion on what to do with Marshall. And McX bided their time. If I recall correctly, they did talk to the Jets, saying they’d listen for David Harris and a 2nd. If only the Jets had bitten.
What’s truly ironic is that finding a way to coexist with Marshall is probably the best way to maximize his value. And yet the fan base isn’t going to read it as maximizing his value, they’re going to see it as the coach declaring war on the guy.
by Chibronx on Mar 8, 2010 10:09 AM MST up reply actions 4 recs
That is exactly why the Denver Broncos are a top class organization.
They want what’s best for both parties, Brandon and the Broncos.
Too Early
It’s far too early to pick winners and losers in this one. My guess is that this will get resolved by day 2 of the NFL draft. I just can’t see next season playing out like this past one. Nor do I think the Bronco brain trust wanting to go back and forth on a game-to-game open status with Marshall. I don’t buy the “we have him for cheap” next season argument as a good one. Tendered or franchised players don’t always give 100% and lots of these players will play not to get hurt rather than giving their all….. Just my contrary little opinion…..
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 8, 2010 11:23 AM MST up reply actions
And you may be right,
I just believe that the Broncos are a top class organization and will do everything in their power to help Marshall help himself and their interests. Cutler is a prime example of how they do things. They could have shipped his butt to Detroit for a hand shake if they wanted too. Cutler might not of liked it but so what…
I got a question
If we keep him this year, then he just leaves via FA next year right? We don’t get jack crap for him other than one more year of servitude right?
If that is the case, I say deal him now.
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assuming that franchise tenders will be in the next CBA
Denver will be able to control what happens to him next offseason as well.
Negotiated Point
Again, purely a guess on my part, but I would think that any new CBA will have specially negotiated provisions favorable to 4th and 5th year players if Smith wants to keep his job. As of now, some players are mighty steamed at their own union.
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 8, 2010 11:26 AM MST up reply actions
I am inclined to agree with you..
The long term is more important imo and if we can get a pick for him now i think we have to bite on it, especially if it’s a first.
Unless, we are willing to try and work on getting a contract that both parties agree on. If that is on the cards if no other teams bite then i am all for that as well..
I don’t like the idea of just having the guy for one more and then getting nothing in return for him next year when he leaves.. which is obviously something that he wants.
Concerning the CBA.
Recently as this past week we’ve heard that signing Marshall to a long term contract wouldn’t be prudent because of the on going negotiations between owners and players. That would mean paying Marshall for not playing next year if the contract talks stall and there is no season. What we were hearing during the season last year was, if the players go on strike then they won’t be paid. Would somebody that knows for sure tell us what the CBA means in regards to players getting paid or not if on strike. If the players don’t receive any pay during the strike time then why wouldn’t it be OK to sign Marshall, Orton or Dumervil? Seems to me that Pat Bowlen would want these players happy and not worrying about anything other than playing football, am I wrong in this thinking? Because we have seen other teams sign contracts for players as recently as yesterday. Other than that I could less what other teams think about our star wide receiver and all I want is what’s best for the team…
Actually...
The players won’t strike, the Owners are going to lock them out. Much different. If they lock them out, there will be no pay.
As for a contract for Marshall, my reasoning was this. What is Marshall’s motivation right now? Money. I think we’d all agree that moolah is high on the list. Ok, take away that motivation by giving him $15 million cash right now in guaranteed money. What is the motivation then? Especially if there is no football for a period of time in 2011?
The concern is not the contract, it is the character of the man, and what he’ll do if he has the money.
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by John Bena on Mar 8, 2010 10:25 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
This is it
The concern is not the contract, it is the character of the man, and what he’ll do if he has the money.
Marshall needs to realize that he created the situation where no one trusts him to stay out of trouble and avoid suspensions by the league, or revert to his juvenile pouting trips. He needs to resolve himself to the fact that he’s not going to get a huge payday unless he puts in a 2010 season during which he behaves like a professional in all respects. Sorry, Brandon, but this is your bed and you’ll have to sleep in it.
All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.
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by bradley on Mar 8, 2010 10:35 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Differ
While I could see your opinion from management’s position, I could see Marshall thinking that he has been paid below market for several years and now it is time for him to be paid. Most of his issues are off-the-field ones. That said, I agree, I would put lots of incentive clauses in a contract with him, but also provide for injury protection in the event he is truly injured.
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 8, 2010 11:29 AM MST up reply actions
It seems that the Team
did that last year and Marshall refused it hence the punting the football and acting like an ass during preseason. From what I gathered it was a contract that was loaded with insentive and very little upfront money. I don’t think he can grasp the fact that he is where he is at because of his own doing. Hopefully (a big hopefully btw) he has seen that this is true and will be willing to accept that type of contract this year if it means getting more than 2.5 mil a season.
How does this work with regads to contract length?
Does the lockout year count towards their contract, i.e., if a player signs a 4 year contract, would the lockout year count towards that?
I also think another thing that scares both sides is that a year off is a year off. Players won’t come back in quite the shape they’re normally in (Some will, but some won’t). They’ll be a year older, which in this league means a lot. We get one year out of Marshall, he gets locked out a year, and all of a sudden, he’s in his 7th year in the league. if we get a pick for him now, then that player will be more valueable in the long run. I think owners are taking that sort of thing into account.
Thoughts?
GO BRONCOS!!!
I think it pertains to the lockout year and whoever is under contract. I may be wrong though, but
What so-called football genius’s on here (not counting the staff because actually study these things) were say is that players would receive pay if the lockout is in effect. I get confused with 9 different variations of the rules. I believe John.
After, seeing the contracts given out this week.
I don’t see Denver signing Marshall for 1 year. Marshall will get his long term agreement with denver or someone else. Right now I’d say it is with Denver. I think the 1st round or bust statement was a declaration of commitment to Marshall by Denver.
... if you have a belief, you will tend to find things that support it. But if you have a prejudice, you’ll move heaven and earth to maintain it. BroncoBear
the reason i disagree with this
If he is playing in Denver next year, it would be under the 1 year tender agreement.
As John pointed out above, the biggest question mark with Marshall is off the field.
I dont see the reasoning in giving him a long-term deal, when you can keep him for a year at far less money and no risk. It was less than a year ago that he was arrested, and given his past noone can say a long-term contract is anything other then high risk. Make him play for the year at the tender level, and then franchise tag him or revisit a long-term deal next offseason assuming he goes the year without arrests or locker room problems
I could see Denver offering a 2-3 year deal
that is heavily laden with clauses about staying out of trouble.
I think if Denver does keep Marshall, it behooves them to do it at a higher contract than the minimum guaranteed by the tender.
If I remember how it played out last year, he was basically told keep it clean & perform & you’ll get paid. For the most part he did that after the 1st suspension, before regressing & earning the benching. So, give him a moderate raise with clauses to protect the team.
Signing him to the tender minimum, I would think would be to perpetuate the problems they’ve had.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
We Agree
Couldn’t agree more with this view. If Denver really wants to keep him, let the market play out, then make a several year commitment to him with an escape route if he reverts to unacceptable behavior.
by Baltimore Bronco on Mar 8, 2010 11:32 AM MST up reply actions
I agree that it increases the potential for problems
The risk is definitely there for Brandon to do something stupid. However, he surely by now realizes that the only way he gets a contract of any substance if with good behaviour on and off the field.
I think everyone would agree that if he had kept his nose clean in the past, then he would already have the contract that he wants.
So, with that much on the line, and with everything so clear to him in regards to the correlation between good behaviour and a contract extension. Whether he is given a bit of a raise (im assuming you are talking about paying him 5 million or so a year), or has to play with the tender amount, he will surely realize that he needs to be on his best behaviour.
The bonus for the broncos is that they save a couple million dollars this year.
I also wonder if BM would be willing to sign a 3 year deal for 5 million a season with incentives to earn and extra 2-3 million. Typically players are not interested in incentives, when they feel they have already proven it on the field.
So, when you think about an extension, do you think about having performance incentives as well as behavioural incentives? or just incentives on the behaviour?
I see absolutely no chance that BM stays this season uner tender
I’ll give up my pen if I’m wrong on that. No chance in my eyes that he stays for peanuts. It wouldn’t be a good move from management, for the reasons you pointed at. Lots of options and directions here, but keeping BM’s production for that cheap isn’t one of them, IMO.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
I wonder what other options there are.....
If the reports are true that Denver wants a first round pick no matter what.
If it ends up being that no team is willing to give a first rounder and a contract to Marshall, I am curious to hear what other options you feel are out there.
To me, if he isnt signed by another team, the probability that he plays this season under the tender has to be as high as the probability of any other option
I think I get the tone
I’m not going to change your mind; I won’t try. I will very briefly go out of bounds here by mentioning that I became a manager at Burger King when I was 16, six months after hire. I know, I know, it’s BK, not a big deal to manage eight people. So, I’ll also mention that I ran my first multi-million dollar project at age 22. (Not my money, just my management.)
None of this makes my opinion better than yours, but hopefully if’s an illustration that I’m not completely retarded in my opinions on managing situations. There are an absolute pulethera of options reltaing to BM, none of which I will bore you with.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
not sure what tone you are referring too
or why you would think im suggesting your completely retarded.
I personally believe that those are the two options right now. 1) he gets a contract with another team. or 2) he plays out his tender with the broncos
I apoligize for the potential that i worded this incorrectly, but i will try again
Since you seem very knowledgeable on your posts that i have read, and since i don’t happen to know anything.
I am curious to hear what other options you feel are out there.
hopefully your answer will enlighten me, or at least raise a point that i have yet to consider.
meant to say
don’t know everything
but it can be argued that i worded it correctly the first time when i said “anything”
#3 he negotiates a contract with Denver
Part of the deal is the reputation Denver has as a good organization to play for. Making Marshall play for tender hurts that reputation especially when the CEO has said he is due for a good raise. If he plays for Denver, it will be for more than chump change.
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by 3nS on Mar 8, 2010 3:14 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
you may be right about playing for more then chump change.
The reason I don’t believe it is more of a possibility then him playing out the tender, is that I don’t see where the motivation is for Denver to give him more money then they have too.
Yah he may do something stupid, but then again he did that last year and they still got 100 catches out of him. If im running a team as well, and I want to know if the guy has changed before I give him big money….and he takes his oppurtunity to prove that and spits on it, then I would have the answer I am looking for.
I also don’t think Denver’s reputation will change any in regards to being a good organization to play for because they make their players play out tenders, when most every other team in the entire league is doing the same thing
Not just for agreeing, I should say
But because I agree with the reasoning
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
That was my explanation for the "+1", meant for 3ns
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
DW
I think the motivation for Denver to pay him more than the tender would be two-fold:
(1)Bowlen had stated that if he performed, he’d get paid. I tend to believe that Bowlen would not renege on such a statement.
(2)Offering Brandon more than the tender would help to reduce the possibility/probability of his playing with a grudge.
I’m not a financial expert, but those two things seem to make sense to me.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
The options you give are correct, even if simplified
I apologize. After reading it the second time, I think I took it wrong the first time. Hard to understand tone, and since it feels like I’ve been arguing with everybody at MHR over the last couple days, I probably had a jaded view to begin with. I do, however, think there are a very wide variety of decisions that can be made, and that Brandon’s last note is yet to be written. Paridoxically, that a word? Spelling? lol Anyway, I still hold firm that BM is good as gone, making your point stand clearly on top.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
Opps!
One more note: On the original point of him playing out the season for us, under tender…If I’m wrong… I’ll write a very nice fanpost, without sarcasm, explaing I was wrong…. then leave MHR for a year. No way Brando plays the whole season under tender. He could start the season that way, but only as a means to an end.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
That would be a shame
Whether you have taken alot of flack or not recently, you have a ton of intelligent views that you present. Your posts are often always rec’d double digit times…. to leave over something like that would be a big time loss to the community, one that i don’t see how any member could justify endorsing.
I dont often post, and have only been doing so this month, but i am on these boards all the time, and i recognize your name and your efforts so in my opinion you will only be taking away a part of the community that you have had a hand in building.
It is tough to understand tone as well on these boards, when they are flooded every once and awhile with agressive posts. I will be the first to admit that I read most rebuttal’s with a sense of an agressive attack against the poster as opposed to a sense of a mild mannered discussion.
by DW76 on Mar 8, 2010 3:51 PM MST up reply actions 1 recs
I think
That was a self imposed punishment. I’m not worried about elvis not being here because there IS NO way he is wrong on this point.
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by 3nS on Mar 8, 2010 8:36 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks for the kind words
I won’t leave MHR for the year, because I won’t be wrong on that. That wasn’t a drunken/off-the-wall comment; I stand by it.Again, thank you for the compliments.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
And if he is gone in 2010
I’ll be one of the first to say “Boy did I screw up the call on that one.” LOL
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Without posturing...
Which I’ve found myself doing lately lol
I just think there’s no way for Brandon to stay under current contract. It’s pretty likely that Marshall moves, but it’s pretty much a certainty that no manager in the world would have him stay and play for peanuts. This isn’t about an irreparable relationship; I think it is repairable,, just that you can’t expect an angry man to perform for peanuts… you cna’t expect good vibes from the rest of your crew by treating the highest profile player like SH..
It would be bad mojo.
Mr. B said he was working his way into a new contract. Coach has given many compliments, passing the stage of any normal player-negotiation.
Good luck with the Redskins Mr. Mike! I'll be watching and cheering for a non-Bronco team for the first time in my life. Well, except when they play the Broncos!
We're on the same page
If he stays, he gets paid well — I’m guess somewhere well over the tender, but probably somewhat less than the $9.5 million that was reputedly offered previously.
If he goes, Xanders will work out the best possible deal for the Broncos.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
plus there is a new headline every day it seems
Tomorrow we could wake up to a headline about Denver and Marshall being in negotiations over a contract, and all of this will take another shift towards something else. similarly to what happened yesterday when the bengals were mentioned to be interested in Marshall
I agree with this point Alex...
I think he will stay in Denver, and begin the season on the tender deal, but something will get done during the season.
This will give both parties time to construct their wish lists, and more will be known about the 2011 season.
And also agree with DW….we may not always agree, but you are a knowledgeable cat and all your posts are appreciated even if they are not agreed with!
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by PredominantlyOrange on Mar 8, 2010 10:43 PM MST up reply actions
Yep...Bowlen should pay him well.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
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Perpetuate the problems?
I thought it was the “heavily laden clauses” that caused him to reject an otherwise generous offer last off season (and procede with his childish practice punting). Why does it “behoove Denver” to pay more than warranted and more than anybody else is willing to pay?
He was basically told keep it clean & perform & you’ll get paid.For the most part he did that after the 1st suspension, before regressing & earning the benching. So, give him a moderate raise with clauses to protect the team.
“For the most part” (other than all through training camp and the beginning and the end of the season) “he behaved.” Are you serious. That is what you consider doing what you “are told and keeping it clean”? You wish to reward that with a higher than warranted/necessary pay in order not to “perpetuate the problem”?
If Marshall could have kept his nose clean this past year, he probably would now be offered the contract he wanted either here or somewhere else but he just couldn’t do it. If that incentive didn’t work for him last year, what makes you think next year is going to be any different? Rather than rewarding him, Denver ought to let him know that thanks only to himself, he is exactly where he was a year ago and that If he plays for Denver and misbehaves again this year, it may well be his last year in football.
I go along the lines of what brian stated warmick.
Signing him to the tender minimum, I would think would be to perpetuate the problems they’ve had.
Sure we could keep him cheap for one year then he is on his own and the Broncos would lose any hopes of trading him in the future.One year and done…With knowing whether he’ll play at 100% or not. I hope if the Broncos keep him that they do infact get him signed long term…2-3 years.
I think Seattle is still going to pull the trigger...
or at least work something out with Denver for the 14th pick +. I just think that the value is there for them; Jeremy Bates will go to bat for Brandon, and the Hawks will realize that Marshall gives them the best chance to grab a division that is there for the taking. He’ll make Hasselbeck a better QB, and demonstrate that the new regime is serious about winning.
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Didn't you say on a radio program that it's normal for UFA's get less attention for the first couple weeks?
I think you said four or five days, discussing BM. Course, that wouldn’t make much of a story. And it’s certainly not popular to actually think BM is better on our team than moving to another.
Knowing that he’s gone, and knowing that the value is less than guys like myself have opinied makes for an easy argument. Glad to hear the positive spin, I’m sure there’s always a ranibow somehwere.
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Deadline for RFA's
I’m sure this has been discussed previously, but what (if any) is the deadline to sign RFA’s to an offer sheet? Is it just before the draft?
April 15 — Deadline for signing of Offer Sheets of Restricted Free Agents.
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Would "IF"
Some times the best things to happen is when it doesn’t happen. Just maybe Brandon Marshall has to stay for next season. If he stays he will bring even more to the party with dedication to prove everyone wrong and have yet another 100+ season and his value sky rockets for the 2011 season. Either way Broncos have complete control and I hope we don’t give in to anything but a high 1st round pick or 1,3 and player. Or maybe Marshalls stays….
oc60
Let me just throw this out there
Yes Brandon has some past character issues…however…I dispute that the end of season incident will hurt him long term. If McDaniels suspended him without the public comment then I think it would have hurt Brandon more….the public comments however undermined McD’s greater point. Thus the acts of contrition that we have seen both men put out there regardless that they most likely can’t stand the sight of each other….
With all that being said. Lets just pose this one question. WHY on earth would Brandon want to go back to a situation where he knows he will be underpaid? The Broncos don’t have the control over this situation in the long term….in the short term they better get SOMETHING out of this right now. If Brandon is essentially forced into coming back and being underpaid yet again, what incentive does he have to come back to the Broncos even IF there is a season in 2011? Zero. You lose him to unrestricted free agency and get nothing in return.
Get what you can now. If not it’s another Dikembe Mutumbo situation.
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Hey Jpage
You bring up some interesting points.
I would tend to disagree with you on the public comments. McDaniels is reputed to be an excellent teacher. As a teacher who runs a program for kids with behavioral issues, I can identify with the way McDaniels went about his dealings with Brandon. You start by dealing with things privately. However, some students will refuse to respond to redirection/training unless they are put in a position wherein there is a public loss of face. The public aspect of this process is always a last resort, but sometimes is necessary.
I agree with you that Brandon deserves to be paid. It should be remembered that according to Mike Klis at the DP, Marshall was offered a contract worth $9.5 million, and turned it down. Now he is starting to see that the NFL market place is apparently not willing to give him the large contract that he wants. I would hope, and tend to believe, that if he stays, the Broncos will pay him significantly more than the minimum required by the tender. I think that such a move would be in everyone’s best interest.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
What about other interest ?
I kind of went through the other teams in my head today, trying to figure out who else might be interested in BMarsh. I came up with, Jets, Dolphins, Jaguars, Browns, & buccaneers. These are all teams, IMHO, who have a need for, & could use Brandon. What do you think ???
now reduce that to teams who spend $ =)
Jets are fine at the receiver spot, even if their #1 has horrid hands
I highly doubt the Bucs are going to give us the third pick. Browns ran the ball 2x more frequently than they passed it. I think Miami is actually fairly happy with their talent, waiting on it to blossom a little more. I believe that the Jags found a good WR in Sims-Walker, who could be their #1 going forward… I think they may need more of a #2/#3 than a Marshall.
I don’t follow these teams but figured I would at least respond with some thoughts
I find it funny
That now that there is doubts as to whether or not Denver can get a 1st round draft choice out of another team, let alone a first and a third that there are no posts about locker room cancer, possession receiver, not fast enough, etc. etc.
Now that Denver needs the guy all of a sudden he is a consensus top 5 receiver when 3 weeks ago he wasnt even cracking the top 10 in the NFL.
Heres a thought.. Since Gafney had such a great game (against a 4 win team) and we were all in such a hurry to let him be the #1 receiver we should trade him to Seattle for the #6 pick in the draft. Talk about maximizing value. FA pickup flipped for a first round draft choice in 1 year.. And here I thought that stuff only happened in fantasy football.
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It irritates me at how many Dolphins fans want him
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