Deserving dynasties
As I have been looking at this off season I have thought about how to build long term success, the thoughts given by BShrout recently covering about long term versus short term success, the Colts, Patriots and Steelers were used as examples. I wanted to look at two teams that have established strong showings this past decade and are worthy of the title dynasty for this past decade. I wanted to look at both of these deserving teams. While this is not an in depth look at these two teams, while that would be a awesome article for those stats guys at MHR, I wanted to look at the general facts, now remember this is my first fan post so forgive my weakness and unskilledness.
The first one I wanted to look at may upset some people, but as a football fan more than a Bronco fan I can accept the obvious. For me choosing the San Diego Chargers was a tough decision but after looking back it's pretty obvious that they deserve quite a bit of praise for the last decade of work from 2000 to 2009 these are some of the facts:
Record: 73-75
Playoff Appearances: 5
Playoff Record: 3-5
Super Bowl record: 0-0
AFC West Divisional champion: 5
Number of coaches: 3
Coaches records:
-Riley: 6-26
-Schottenheimer: 47-33
-Turner: 32-16
Number of seasons with 10+ wins: 4
Number of starting quarterbacks: 4
Now I was a bit hesitant to chose the Chargers at first, a losing record, lack of Super Bowl wins, among other things, but one trait I found important to lasting success is growth and stability. And considering the Changers started last decade at 1-15 and ended at 13-3, growth is quite obvious. But if you look at their growth since 2004 it becomes quite apparent. Once Schottenheimer became head coach things really started to pick up, they stuck with the same quarterback, Drew Brees, and began to build a winning team. he took a team that had gone 1-15 and 5-11 and slowly transformed it, his last season was 14-2. And probably the most plain sign of coaches getting fired for not getting their team Super Bowl wins was this man, what coach who goes 14-2, finishing best in the NFL gets fired? But the change was made and Turner became head coach. As someone who follows many teams, I''ve found that the situation with Turner is similar to that of Schottenheimer (on a side note, I regret choosing the Chargers for the sole fact that I have to spell his name so many times). Turner has developed Philip Rivers into a top 10 quarterback, taken the Chargers to the playoffs all three years he's been there, and still people aren't happy. This to me is a very strong indicator that there is growing impatience with fans and owners for coaches who don't produce Super Bowl wins. With each passing year the Chargers seem to grow as a powerhouse in the AFC, and I assume they will do so again next season. As I was looking over their past ratings, I saw that on offense over the past five years they've been in the top 5 for points scored and on defense they are in the top 15 in points allowed. These combined show a strong trend. It should be noted that the past two quarterbacks for the Chargers were Drew Brees and Philip Rivers, Bress has already established himself as a great quarterback, and Rivers is, or for some, making a strong case to be one of the better in the league. From this team I pulled growth, stability and quality. While I disagree with some of the decisions, like releasing Schottenheimer and Brees, both Turner and Rivers are proving able substitutes. It should also be noted that in the playoffs the Chargers are 2-0 against the Colts and 0-2 versus the Jets, something to think about.
The next team I wanted to look at was the Philadelphia Eagles. This has been a team that has been the model of stability for the past decade. I have always enjoyed watching the Eagles play and over the past ten years, they have carved out quite a resume:
Record:103-56
Playoff Appearances:8
Playoff Record: 10-8
Super Bowl record: 0-1
NFC East Divisional champion:6
Number of coaches:1
Coaches records:
-Reid: 103-56
Number of seasons with 10+ wins: 7
Number of starting quarterbacks:1
While over the past decade the Chargers have been rising, the Eagles have been a constant in the NFC. With only one losing season and seven of the past ten season with ten or more wins. And it's eight playoff appearances is only one behind the Colts and one more then the Patriots. Season after season, in one of the most competitive divisions in the NFC, the Eagles have been one of the teams to beat. Donovan McNabb has lead the team for the entire decade. Peyton Manning is the only other quarterback to do that. Other who came close were Tom Brady and Matt Hasselbeck who both started eight seasons. Brady has won multiple Super Bowls and Hasselbeck has started in one. Since the Eagles have gone through less change than the Chargers, so I have less to say about their progression, but their steady success is something to be noted. It should also be showed that the two years the Eagles really struggled, 2005 and 2007, it wasn't one player, but the team underachieving. After those seasons little changed in the organization, McNabb stayed, Westbrook stayed and Reid stayed. The key pieces stayed in place and one of the winningest teams of the decade is formed.
As I'm sure someone can do a more thorough job, I wanted to just look a bit at these two teams. I'm also sure these two teams can be disputed as "Dynasty" teams, but the growth of the Chargers and the consistency of the Eagles should be noticed. As I looked at these two teams, I saw a one thing that really stuck out:
- Stability in key positions. Both the Chargers and the Eagles settled on the QB and stuck with them for more then a few years, or at least had a strong substitute in the wings. Both stayed with the same running back, Tomlinson and Westbrook for most of the decade, which should be pointed out, both were released the off-season. The Eagles have found stability with Andy Reid as coach, were as the Chargers have had two very successful head coaches. While many teams tend to drop quarterbacks and coaches after a few years without Super Bowl success, as seen with Chargers, who seem to be quite luck with quarterbacks and coaches over the past ten years, the Eagles stuck with their players. But as this new decade starts, the Eagles seem to be aging, while the Chargers are starting to come into full swing. As said before I'm sadly no stats guys but I would like to see the growth of Brees, McNabb and Rivers as they stayed longer in their systems. Hopefully this provides a look at two teams, and at least to me showed how sticking with players and coaches for more then just a season or two, cause good things come to those who wait and build.
This is a Fan-Created Comment on MileHighReport.com. The opinion here is not necessarily shared by the editorial staff of MHR
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Good First Post, Max
Stats are overrated. I hate stats guys.
Your point about the QB position is excellent. Given the system that McDaniels runs, in which Tom Brady says take about 3 years to really grasp, I think the point is even more profound.
The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that.
by TJ Johnson on Mar 8, 2010 9:59 PM MST reply actions 6 recs
LMAO
TJ – if you hate stats, we’re all in really big trouble.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 8, 2010 10:45 PM MST up reply actions
Haha
TJ was one of the guys I had in mind when I was thinking of stats guys, to hear him say he hates stats is quite entertaining.
hahaha, me too, Dude. ;-)
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
I did not vote because I think it depends.
If he (coach) is improving the team every year through his selections in free agency and draft. Does his system and scheme fit the players he acquires. Winning is everything, right? Take a look at the Rams as an example. Did they improve in their standings in 2009 from 2008? Have they made any significant signs that state they will be on the winning track anytime soon. How long do you give Steve Spagnuolo to right the team? I am not sure how long you wait for the coach to get it right, but I would want a coach who makes sound decisions each year addressing each position in free agency and the draft to keep a smooth flow of good player rotating in and out. That’s what makes teams like Pittsburg, Indy and New England so successful year after year. There are 32 teams out to get the grand prize each year and 31 are disappointed that they failed, but the key is, to stay in the running for it.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 8, 2010 10:00 PM MST reply actions 2 recs
Ditto what he said. :)
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 8, 2010 10:46 PM MST up reply actions
Thanks
While I agree it is a case by case situation i just wanted to get a feeling from the fan base.
Excellent first post Max.
You did a very nice job of laying out what you wanted to say in a concise, easy to understand manner. Your points were very well taken, and well worth considering.
I voted for 5+. Largely because the consensus rule of thumb is that it takes around 3 years for draft picks to prove themselves successes or failures. Very hard to judge whether or not a coach has made the right choices with his picks, if he doesn’t make it past that make/break point with the draftees.
I would argue that short coaching tenures and the free agency process have been the biggest deterrents for most teams to be able to build long-standing successes.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Btw, Max, I just have to ask if your screen name
is a tribute to Maxwell’s Demon in Christopher Stasheff’s Her Majesty’s Wizard.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 8, 2010 10:54 PM MST up reply actions
Not sure
Never read the book, but it comes from a term in thermodynamics dealing with how heat is transfered.
Thanks
was just curious.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 8, 2010 11:15 PM MST up reply actions
Maxwell's Demon in the book
was the principle of thermodynamics conjured as a personification with the ability to achieve things which defied reason.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Mar 8, 2010 11:16 PM MST up reply actions
kinda
It was a jacked up theory about a little demon that would open a door between two touching objects and let heat flow back and forth, I think, Physics is a bit behind me.
Heat is tranferred by, radiation, convection or conduction.
In a fire ground situation one or all three of these prperties can come into play as to how the fire moved in a common direction. That’s the way I want my team to play…‘Radiate’ on the field and state a message saying, hey look, we’re going to stomp a mud hole in you and ‘convect’ that promise through every play, ‘conduct’ that energy and force the opponent to submit through your physical punishment. I love me some smash mouth football.
by bfree2bronc on Mar 9, 2010 10:17 AM MST up reply actions 1 recs
Great thought
Way to turn a completely non related football comment into a motivating thought, and I would agree that that would be a good direction for the Broncos to go in, and it seems that we might be headed in that way.
Lost me at Chargers...
Good post Max, but I can’t accept the Chargers and Dynasty in the same sentence…
I know I am a biased Bronco fan with no love for the bolts. I can give them a title of a good team but woudn’t even think about them being a dynasty….sorry man, but other than that, good stuff.
Good team
I agree that being a Broncos fan it’s hard, and if you include the first four years of the decade it’s tougher, but over the past six years, this has been a team no one wanted to see in the playoffs, this was a very dangerous team and will continue to makes its mark as a team to beat next year. This constant presence in the playoffs and the fear that the Chargers generate from some of the big teams is a sign of their mini dynasty.
you can’t call a team a dynasty if they don’t win a Superbowl.
that being said, the Chargers and the Eagles are the two teams other than the big three that have consistently drafted/made FA decisions based on long term success.
by black_knight101 on Mar 9, 2010 12:07 AM MST reply actions
Super Bowl
While I agree that Super Bowls are what we all want, Both the Chargers and the Eagles have gone to the playoffs year after year, have been a team to watch with each passing year, and tend to make teams like the Saints and Colts a bit nervous to play them. A team that is always on the mind year after year to me is a dynasty.










































