The State of the Herd: Familiarity and the Defense
In Part I, I tried to look at where Denver stands right now, and to establish how a year's familiarity with the team and systems could, for most of the players and coaches, provide a noticeable benefit. In this installment, I'm going to dissect the defense and look at some strengths, weaknesses, and potential for the future.
The Defense
There's a new defensive coordinator in town, and Don 'Wink' Martindale has been unabashed about his feelings on the game. He's enthusiastic, he's excited and he plans to increase the aggression level of the Denver D. There was a lot of 'read and react' during the unlamented 2008 version, and it didn't work well. You still saw some of that in 2009, but it was (thankfully) limited. What you did see a lot of was what Renaldo Hill called 'vision coverage' - the DBs watched the QB's eyes to take their cues, which is somewhat different from read and react, an approach that deals with both run and pass. Vision coverage is, according to an interview with Renaldo Hill, a little moment slower and leaves some openings that receivers can take advantage of as a result. According to Hill, that won't be the case this year. You can expect to see the players locking harder onto the offensive players who come into their zones. Hill seemed to think that dropping this coverage and implementing the different approach would improve the secondary and the pass defense. There will also be more blitzing, and there will be an effort to avoid using eight in the box as much as is possible unless it's being done to exploit an offensive weakness. Nate Jones, the newest cornerback, is said to specialize in cornerback blitzing, so there should be some opportunity there which adds a weapon to the arsenal.
Some things will be the same. You'll still see, as far as we know, a 5-2 version of the 30 front defense. The OLBs will still be responsible for setting the edge and funneling the RBs to the ILBs, while the DL is responsible for taking up the OL as much as is possible. There is still a major expectation of the DL to harass the QB and squash running backs. With some of the size upgrades, that may be less difficult than it was in 2009.
The DL Description - It's easy to notice that the Broncos, having worn down physically and emotionally during the second half of the 2009 season, immediately brought in some very good talent in Justin Bannan, Jamal Williams and Jarvis Green, three players used to being on winning teams and used to having individual success as well. While Green likes coming off the bench (and is also good in 3rd down/nickel play), he can also play well in a DL rotation. I do see him mostly at RDE, though, whenever he does play. Justin Bannan is highly versatile and has played all three spots. Jamal Williams is so big that he gets to play wherever he wants.
NT - At least right now, NT looks like a lot of fun, depending on who Denver can keep healthy (Note - I'm excited to see if Tuten's approach bears such great fruit again this year. After years of contagious hammieitis, 2009 was a job in that respect). Bannan can play any of the three DL slots, but will probably spend most of his time between LDE and NT. With Ron Fields and Justin Bannan there to make sure that he gets a breather regularly, Jamal Williams may get through the season without major injury. Marcus Thomas has gone back to losing weight and is said to be looking for the upper 290's and a RDE slot. I think that it's his best option, and I hope things go well for him - he's athletic and has done some good things for Denver in limited play (2008) at RDE. Chris Baker is the enigma wrapped in a riddle for Denver this offseason. Time will tell for the Hampton player.
DE - I'd call it likely that Bannan plays the starting LDE but with R. McBean hotly in competition with him this TC. Le Kevin Smith may be in the mix for either DE slot - he didn't look good last year, but that may have been medical, since he's had a knee surgery. It's also fair to say that Denver will probably keep using players in rotation to keep them fresh. NT is obvious - J. Williams, M. Bannan, R. Fields and perhaps Chris Baker can all, in theory, take some snaps at NT. That leaves M. Thomas at RDE (or perhaps LK Smith) and Jarvis Green coming in for certain D+D and in rotation. I don't say that because I think that Thomas is better than Green - it's just that Green has commented on how much he likes coming off the bench and bringing it emotionally as well as physically when other players are tired and I caught an interview of him talking about that. It's one of the weapons that NE's defense has counted on over the past few years. I think that if you look at him, taking him as a rotational pass rusher and run stuffer, as an upgrade over Kenny Peterson, his value is pretty obvious. Green believes that his motor is a weapon all by itself, making sure that it's up and raring to go when others are starting to fade.
Ron Fields as a 5 technique LDE as well as an alternate NT has some serious advantages, so you can't count him out, either. It's easy to say this, far from the season, but this corps has begun to look like the most versatile group on the team. I've literally lost track of the number of options that Denver can put out and have at least one NT player with two DEs on the field. One of the stat guys really should work that out. It has to be impressive.
LB Description - There's no question that with the variation of the 3-4 defense that Denver runs, the quality of LB play is one of the central keys to the defense. For this reason, the effectiveness of the LBs that were created from DEs and ST players has been remarkable. Just as far as outside linebackers, Elvis Dumervil quickly became one of the best pass rushing LBs in the league. Darrell Reid was a standout ST player for Indianapolis, but he seems to be picking up the nuances of the OLB position quickly, and if his knee heals in time for TC, he could make further strides to take him into the new season. Reid did well as a rotation backup, but I think that it's in his heart and abilities to become more than that.
OLB - Robert Ayers, the Broncos second 1st round player from 2009, took some time learning the NFL game at the OLB position - he had some background there from his first year in college and his versatility has resulted in his being placed at OLB, DE and DT on different plays for Denver. Because of his primary usage - generally, Ayers was responsible for sealing off the backside on pass plays and driving the play toward Doom or as a nickel back. In addition to the ability to push the play toward the QB, making it easier to rack up sacks for Doom, Ayers himself managed 17 QB hurries in limited play and was also very good at dropping into zone coverage.
How did Robert Ayers do? Better than his detractors like and not as well as his protagonists hoped would be my bet. You have to give him a lot of credit for the hurries, and he was holding up his end of the push when Doom got several sacks. I saw him do well in zone coverage and I saw him get burned a few times - welcome to the pros, young man. There's lots of fast, strong, smart guys who've been doing this much longer than he, but he'll learn. He's got mad athletic skills, but he also has a nose for the game. He may not blossom quite as fast as many will hope, but every game I watched him, he improved in some aspect. That's what I like seeing. On a similar note, Mario Haggan has shown that he has always had the skill to play OLB in a 30 front but never got the opportunity. But, will he again in 2010?
ILB? At inside linebacker, Mario Haggan could probably fit the bill but he has not, at this time, been called on to fill the position. There has to be some level of question as to whether either he can move inside, or whether he's more valuable at one slot than the other. DJ Williams, he of the wandering positions on the team, has settled in at RILB. While his work in coverage left a great deal to be desired, DJ may well need to be in a position that properly suits his skillset (Sam did not, for example). I have always seen him as an All Pro weakside linebacker in a 4-3 system. At the cost that he is paid by the team, one hopes that he can improve at his slot. It's not unreasonable - he played very good Will and pretty good Mike, better as the year went on. He might do fine at RILB this year. If not, he is potentially (Ok, maybe I use the term loosely) an All-Pro level weakside linebacker for a 4-3 system and he might have to be moved to one. Right now, though, Denver claims to be very happy with his level of play. It's almost certain that Denver will add an ILB or OLB in the upcoming draft. 'Both' is also an option. Even if you like Haggan for LILB, you need a backup for the position, and I'm not sure that 268 lb Baraka Atkins, a converted OLB/DE is the answer, although stranger things have happened. Due in part to their problems with the salary cap when Belichick came on as HC, NE did convert a couple of DEs to ILB, so it's been done.
Other Questions - Reid is still a cipher, and Doom, while he'll come back, may need the assurance of contract talks to get him into camp. Setting NFL annual records does that to a man. Here's an analysis of Doom's run tackleing that may cost the Brncos some dollars:
One of the surprise names at the top of the list is a guy who struggled in run defense in Elvis Dumervil. He may get caught out of position, but in addition to being a fine pass rusher he was extremely successful when making tackles. Dumervil attempted 40 solo stops (including sacks) and made them all. He might struggle to fight off blocks or to anchor against the run but based on 2009, if he gets his hands on the ball carrier, he is going to the ground (which helps explain why he was able to get so many sacks, considering his total number of pressures).
I'm finding that I'm more fond of WW the man than I am of the player - he's good on STs, but he just was toasted too often on the field. If someone can be found who will play a little better, he'll be on the bubble. That bothers me, too - after starting with 10 tackles a game, he was a bright spot in a dim season over 2009. Perhaps he'll still improve - he's just a young, hard working guy, one who found a willing mentor in Andra Davis and was smart enough to make full use of it. I'd love to see him do well, and the same for Braxton Kelley, also of Kentucky (Bronco!). Expect a young addition or two in TC.
Defensive Secondary
CB Description: I can't say it clearly enough: Champ Bailey is still one of the best in the game. Yes, he was beaten on some plays last season, but every CB is; overall, he did a great job. In part, many Broncos fans have huge expectations because for quite a while the CB position was so bad that you just threw to whoever Champ wasn't covering and did fine. Now, he's in the mix regularly, and still had a great highlight reel for the season. His salary is huge, but so is his potential impact on any given game. I mostly recall a reach-around pass defense in the end zone that sealed a Broncos victory when folks start to talk about how he's getting older.
On the other hand, well, yes, he is - I don't know anyone who is getting younger, for that matter. Bailey is still one of the best (last year, a group of 50 active players labeled him the #1 CB over OAK's Asomugha, and to keep him right now, Denver has to pay him like it. I don't mind - he changed at least a few games with his skills in 2009. Need more proof? In the last 4 years, Champ Bailey has started 56 games and been called for pass interference just once. When you look at the cumulative effect of the 2009 penalties, you get a quick idea of how important that statistic is. Put that up against his ratio of stopping the pass, his skill on special teams (which he doesn't have to play on, either) and his ability to mentor young players and he's one player who really is worth that kind of scratch. There aren't many, but he surely is one.
Andre' Goodman, coming from Miami where Josh McDaniels does much of his offseason shopping, has a weakness with his tackling technique, but is a great cover player. An improved DL would help out a group that did a very good job in 2009, as witnessed by their team overall rating of 3rd in the league, according to nfl.com's page.
Nate Jones was an offseason pickup who could be anything from insurance to starter at nickel to starter. He, too, is a former Miami Dolphin. One of his strengths is the cornerback blitz, which must thrill Wink Martindale. Alphonso Smith will have a chance to redeem himself and we'll see if factors that we don't know about - witness the 'vision coverage' comment (By the way, I wouldn't take the comment too far - it's only one aspect of the coverage. You're still in this or that zone or man, press, bump, etc. ). There was an oddness to something about Smith - He looked very good in training camp according to several MHR observers as well as the press; in week 1, he had 5 tackles, 4 of them solo, and then he hurt his ankle. He was never the same, and it was a strange timing. I know - some are sayiung that I'm making excuses. Maybe so, too. But I'm also willing to find out why a player goes from doing very well to stinking, pretty much overnight. If he didn't play that well at first, sure, OK, he just won't make it in the NFL. But he did play well and something suddenly changed. I'd like to know what, is all.
Tony Carter, late in the season activated from the PS, will also have a shot in training camp. This is a good group that may be adequately deep, but if another CB is added before the end of the draft to improve it, I won't be surprised. For one thing, most teams carry one more CB than Denver usually does. Nate Jones can switch to safety if need, and has done so before. For that matter, Renaldo Hill got his start in the NFL as a cornerback, and can play the position in an emergency.
Denver may bring in a CB but they aren't in bad shape, although they could get even better here. Joe Haden would immediately improve the team - competition brings out the best in teams, and he is potentially competition for anyone but Champ. I don't usually expect that from a rookie, even an upper 1st round layer, and I'm not 'predicting' that he would. What I am saying is that he's an unusually good player with excellent pro potential, and rosters can get very fluid once the season starts and injury bugs hit.
Safety Description - Any discussion of safety on the Broncos has to start with Brian 'Wolverine' Dawkins, Weapon X, the vocal and emotional leader of the Denver defense (he isn't shy about lecturing the offense, either, if that opportunity arises). The authorities in Pensylvania still have a warrant out on Josh McDaniels from stealing him from the Philadelphia Eagles. Team McX also snatched Renaldo Hill from the Dolphins and Hill was a very bright spot last season. With Nate Jones rounding out the triad from Miami, the Denver secondary has a distinct tone of ocean, sun and sand.
But Jones, while he can play safety in a pinch, isn't really a safety. He's generally a cornerback. Happily, Denver has three good young safeties - Darcel McBath, David Bruton and Josh Barrett. McBath and Bruton came in last season's draft and Barrett came in the 7th round of the 2008 'Goodman' draft. Barrett was very raw when Denver got him - he's been seeing increasingly successful time on the STs and has been tapped at times to cover larger receiving TEs like Tony Gonzales. Whether those two qualities will be enough to get him a slot on the 2010 team or not may be decided by whether the Broncos choose to add a cornerback or not.
The Broncos change from vision coverage to locking on in zone will be interesting to watch. The affection that McD has for zone coverage guys became obvious last year. ESPN said:
David Bruton: Bruton impressed as a run defender in Notre Dame's early-season win over Michigan, showing speed, range and willingness in run support and sound open-field tackling. The concern for Bruton is his inconsistent footwork in coverage. He is not fluid and takes choppy steps when gearing down to change directions, raising questions about his ability to match up with slot receivers at the next level. Bruton would fit best on a team that plays a lot of zone coverage and asks its safeties to play a big role in run support.
Never forget that 1/3 to 1/2 of the teams in the NFL use some variant of the West Coast Offense. While they don't look like the one's that Bill Walsh preferred, they are its descendants. The Cover 2 approach - the use of linebackers in the second level as pass defenders, was in essence a zone defensive scheme.
The next came from New Era Scouting on A. Smith. What's interesting is not their opinion on him - he's going to have to earn any playing time this year, and didn't do that last year - but their take on his possibility in zone coverage. In the past, McD has chosen zone when possible, and as I've said, the people he drafts reflect that.
Smith is a great playmaker at the corner position. He has the potential to change games when on the field. Beyond his excellent ball skills Smith has shown to be a complete player with his ability to blitz and play the run. His lack of size and top end speed make him an ideal zone coverage corner, and with his instincts and playmaking ability he will be able to play the long side of the field in that scheme and be left out on an island at times.
Barrett is certainly a project - but McBath and Bruton aren't, in the sense that both are producing already. They are two of the three best ST players on the Broncos - excellent early news for players who fans hope will develop sufficiently to replace Dawkins and Hill when those times come. To put it bluntly, someone will play in his safety slot, but no one will ever 'replace' Brian Dawkins. He's that good. While McBath is usually considered the more developed of the two, David Bruton is even faster than McBath and he can hit like a nail gun.
McBath got some playing time when there were injuries, but don't expect McBath or Bruton to sit around and just wait for their turn. They are in the process of earning their new positions. Consider this article from denverbroncos.com:
Regarding 2009, Bruton said,
"I had a chance to learn from great veterans such as 'Naldy (Renaldo Hill), Champ (Bailey), Dawk (Brian Dawkins) and Goody (Andre Goodman). I understand with those veterans there my role primarily now is on special teams, but it does not hinder me from competing and trying to go out there and take a starting job." Bruton gained that starting job against the raiders, when an injury moved him up in the depth chart:
Bruton earned that starting job against the Oakland Raiders when Hill sat out due to injury. The second-year player said he was just trying not to "wreck the ship" when he entered the lineup, but he finished with five tackles -- four solo -- and a pass breakup in the end zone.
"For me, it was kind of a eye-opener in the sense where I actually feel like I can play in the NFL," Bruton said. "I've got that experience under my belt that I know how to prepare for a game. If I need to do extra stuff to know the opponent, I have a feel for how to go about that."
McBath was no less up front about his plans.
"I compete every day," McBath said. "These guys, they've been doing it for a long time and they're really good, but if I wasn't out there competing to be what I want to be, then I wouldn't be myself. And they wouldn't have it any other way. We're all out there competing. That's what makes everybody better. That way, when any one of us are in the game, we're playing at our best. I'm pushing them and they're pushing me.
"I think from the time that I got here to the last game that I played last season, I think I made a huge change," he added. "I'm excited about this year. Any little opportunities that I get on special teams or defense, I'm excited about getting out there and making an impact."
As far as the overall Denver secondary goes, I had some questions for this next season. There are two things that McD said that Denver was doing last year that they say that they won't be in 2010 (and yes, I am aware that it's 'Lying Coach' season, the time before the draft when 'How are you today?" can be an opportunity to throw a smokescreen or simply obfuscate on any subject that comes up). Even so - the Broncos were, for a while during the season, using a read and react approach (far less than in 2008, btw, but it did come into use and wasn't very effective). Second, the Broncos were reportedly using the 'vision coverage' approach, with the cornerbacks and safeties reading the eyes of the QB, and that system was reputed to lead to openings in coverage.
That experiment is over - which is great. I'm a believer in imposing your will on the offense, rather than sitting back and responding to their actions. The increased blitzing and attacking sounds great to me, but I have one question on that. Is Wink the kind of coordinator who can set down immediately if the offense has caught on to his blitz packages and develop new ones on the fly? I remember Larry Coyers having trouble with that (after watching enough Indianapolis Colts football this year, it seems to me that Coyers has overcome that problem. Will Wink?
Q and A: I asked a bunch of smart football guys the same questions and wanted to share some answers. Ben Boyd just added his answers in red to the questions, so he goes first. The color change didn't come through to the FanPost, so I'm putting his in bold:
Q's: Hi, folks: I've been working on a little article, and I'm at a point where I'd appreciate your thoughts on a couple of things that involve the defensive secondary. Here are some things that came to mind:
Q: More sky or cloud coverage?
Cloud (definition) zone pass coverage in which cornerbacks cover passes to the flat; both cornerback and cloud start with the letter C; opposite of "sky" coverage, also called "invert"
Sky (definition) zone pass coverage in which safeties cover passes to the flat; both safety and sky start with the letter S; opposite of cloud overage which has the corner covers the flat
When thinking of the way McD plans games, I think we will see a mixture dependent on who we play. For example, more cloud against team like SD and players like Sproles, and more sky when we play teams with legitimate deep threats.
Q: 2 safeties back more often than not, splitting the field, (especially on passing downs, or just more often than not?).
I hope! Hoping that we use the speed McBath and Bruton have, which sets up more success for Dawkins. I would be STOKED if we got someone like Mays or Berry, as it just makes our defense so much more attacking. This is a great safety rotation and allows Goody, Champ and our other CB's to attack.....I like that!
I think that Goody and Champ are about as good as any twosome in the league, and with coverage over the top to protect them, they can really be more aggressive. Thoughts? See comments above.
I can't wait to see Nate Jones in coverage. When I heard how good he is at CB blitzes, I really got excited. Wink will be a very happy DC.
With upgrades to the DL, CBs and the safeties that we have, is the onus on the LB corp to produce? YES!!! Missed assignments....again....by this group saw our DB's playing clean up again. This takes them out of making plays. I think the two are mutually INCLUSIVE...good play by both helps both. I just want to see a run stopping better at ILB that we can get in 3rd and 4th, some improvements from Ayers and Hagan/larsen inside and I think we will be looking better than most think!
Kirk came in, singing 'Am I Blue.' The blue didn't work through the transfer either, so his answers are in italics:
Q: 2 safeties back more often than not, splitting the field, (especially on passing downs, or just more often than not?).
I think Wink will be able to use Dawkins as a blitzer at times, or have the option of taking out the "hot" receiver.
Q: With upgrades to the DL, CBs and the safeties that we have, is the onus on the LB corp to produce?
It has to be. I was one of the people calling for Rey Maleuga(sp?) last year. I would have liked to see the ILB spot addressed better than the band-aid known as Andra Davis (class act though he was). James Laurenitis was another that I would have taken. He made over 100 Tackles in 2009, and I was actually surprised that the Patriots didn't take him. I am pretty high on Donald Butler in the 2nd/3rd round unless McX selects Ducasse or Benn. Micah Johnson would be my later choice. I am ok with the possible move of Haggan to the inside and Ayers starting at OLB. If that is the case, I think we still need to address depth there late in the draft. Like Colinski, I am not sure Larsen or Woodyard are a viable answer. (I really love that they are great TEAM players though) I'm also not opposed to taking Haden either. I am thinking he may be an upgrade to Phonz as a returner. Eddie Royal needs to be able to focus on WR.
BShrout tossed in,
The onus is most definitely on the LB corp to produce more consistently -- especially late in the year. There were too many missed assignments and LB's out of position which led the D-line and the DBs having to make the tackles. I commented on this in a couple of different posts. When you look at the tackling in the first 8 games vs the last 8, the LB corp had the lion's share in the first half of the season. In the second half, they still had the majority of the tackles, but the ratio of LB tackles to other sections' tackles went way down.
Denny Clifford went contrarian on his thoughts. He's Irish - we can't help it. Do you know the definition of an Irishman with a happy outlook? Mentally ill....Yes, I'm Irish on both sides for generations back to County Cork, and I know of at least on other Corker on MHR. At any rate:
Hello Em and everyone,
I'm going to go against the grain here a bit and say I prefer the sky coverage more than the cloud. My thinking is that impact plays in the flat are more likely to happen with big hits by the safety with deep coverage more reliable by the corners. Remember Ed Reed's hit that dislodged the ball from Moreno? I agree with everyone that linebacker play, both inside and outside has to be significantly better to allow either cloud or sky to work effectively. I really want to see N. Jones in coverage too.
And that pretty much covered the highlights, although I wish I had more time. Thanks to everyone on that question, by the way. Great conversation.
That brings me to the final aspect of the State of the Herd -- The State of the Coaches. Here is a little about who they are:
Josh McDaniels - For a rookie coach, he made some 'rookie' mistakes (in other words, he made mistakes during his rookie year, as you'd expect) and still did a good job overall. He has to improve his clock management, certainly. Overall, I thought that he handled several difficult player situations fairly well. He admitted that the OLine was a problem in 2009, and while some folks felt that he shouldn't have done so, I applauded his honesty on that one. He wasn't insulting them. He was stating a fact, and one that I've no doubt that he's seriously looking at how to overcome.
What I'm not going to do here is to start looking at smaller, single situations (like arguing the benching of Marshall and Scheffler for the final game of last season) and to try to access McD's abilities through them. I'm of the opinion that if a player hampers the team, you sit him. Generally, I thought that McD said no more than was reasonable last year, although he was surprisingly up front about the final game week benchings. Overall, I felt that he did a very good job for a rookie. I expect some mistakes when a person gets a new job, and McD had some. I thought that he also showed some good things that will bear long term fruit.
The first is hiring good coaches. Mike McCoy is still the offensive coordinator and helps with the QBs and Mike Nolan - to whom I wish the best to as he chooses to move on - has gone to Miami. Clancy Barone has moved from TEs to the offensive line and the well-experienced Wayne Nunnely is still handling the defensive line with Bob Wylie as his assistant. Wink Martindale, last year's LB coach, will run the defense this year with Craig Aukerman as his assistant. Martindale's emphasis on the importance of the linebacker position in this defense is made clear simply by the coaching chart - the Linebackers Assistant is Roman Pifer, but no LBs coach (other than Martindale) is listed. Mike Priefer is, to many people's surprise, still the special teams' coach with Keith Burns as the special teams assistant. Ed Donatell is the defensive secondary coach, and Adam Gase has the WRs. Rich Tuten remains the strength and conditioning coach and resident sadist, and they've now given him an assistant, Greg Saporta, to carry his whips and clean them as needed. Bob Ligashesky is the Tight Ends coach, taking over for Barone, and young Ben McDaniels is now the QBs coach. Brian Callahan has taken a slot as Coaching Assistant and Jay Rodgers is the Defensive Assistant.
The next thing that Josh McDaniels has to work on is bringing players like Eddie Royal into the game more. Royal struggled last year, and McDaniels' comments about Eddie's concussions - Josh used the plural, which concerns me medically - might explain a lot about why Eddie wasn't quite (or even nearly) himself. There are other players who earned more time, but that's something that you work out over time, and Denver had darned little of it last year. I had to admit though - Gaffney did as good a job. I'd like to see a tougher competition between them.
One thing I will go out on a limb and guarantee is this - McDaniels and company have looked over their OL situation in great detail, and they are executing a plan to solve it. Talk about big running backs until you're blue in the face - if you don't get a good push from the OL, you won't get the 1st down in short yardage. Whether Dustin Fry is ready to play center or not, whether they prefer Olsen or even Russ Hochstein (oh lord, I hope not, but we'll see), or whether they have their selections already in the books on the 1st round of the draft (Pouncey will be there, as a possible example) they have a solution in mind and are already putting it into play. With all its faults, there's one nice thing about pick 11 - it gives you a lot of directions to go in, and there are top rated players available at all of them.
OT/OG - Trent Williams, for example. NT - Dan Williams (or if he's still there at 45, which I doubt, Terrence Cody); Safety (I'd be shocked but it could happen) - Eric Berry (otherwise we'll probably see him two times per season in KC), or Earl Thomas; LB - Rolando McClain or Sean Weatherspoon, OG/OT, Iupati, CB - Joe Haden, etc, etc.
No matter who we take, there's one thing about this upcoming season that excites me. The players will have had a chance to generally get to know each other - tendencies, preferences, moves, abilities and weaknesses. That familiarity will give Denver a greater chance to step up and to implement their systems with a deeper understanding of the schemes and of each other; with one eye toward the problem that showed up in 2009 and the other toward the future and how those problems can be overcome.
The defensive line needs just as good a quality of communication as the offensive line - the ILB may get the helmet with the radio receiver, but the DL has to have its own plan in place on every play. The same is true in the secondary - often, the free safety is considered the QB of the defense. In Denver, that might be either Hill or Dawkins - both are nearly brilliant at analyzing defenses, and they seem to prefer to play as a team, together, with each covering one side of the field and trading off on calling the plays just as it seems most comfortable for both of them. It's hard to argue with - Hill is a huge upgrade over the recent Denver 'talent' (and I use the word loosely) and Dawkins is even better than Hill is. David Bruton and Darcel McBath are coming on to the team together, and may end up with a similar connection before all is said and done with.
"...the more you play in an offense, the more little details that, you know, you kind of learn, the little things that you can add instead of just run a route a certain way, the more you've been in an offense the more that you can, the parameters that you can mess with a route, that you kind of learn, just, little things that you can do with certain routes to get open, it becomes easier to do that the longer you've been in an offense.
Brandon Stokley
The same issue of familiarity and the improvement it can create is equally true with a defense and with special teams. Players who have the time to get to know each others tendencies can often be there before a mistake is made or a hole opens. Familiarity permits one DL player to notice the double or triple team on another, and to scoot through that hole before the offense can regroup. Familiar QB and WR pairings tend to produce more yards, more 1st downs, more touchdowns and more wins. Familiar defenses trade off coverages, plug gaps, trust each other to be in the right place at the right time and know, deep within, that their teammates have gotten their back covered.
Last year, Denver managed to make it to .500. Many of us were disappointed - making the wild card should have been easy, and a good playoff berth shouldn't have been out of the question. But things are what they are - Denver took a nosedive in later 2009 that seemed eerily reminiscent of 2008. It reminded me that it generally takes time to change the locker room culture of a team, and all the reading that I like to do about the history of the game tells me the same thing. That's one reason that coaches tend to bring in players they have had on their teams before - they are familiar with them, and know what things they can and cannot count on them for. They also know that more often than not, if the coach has a good relationship with a player, they can bring more out of them and count on them more.
But it's time to do something that Denver isn't familiar with: It's time to make it to the playoffs. The Chargers aren't an easy team to overcome - but so what? You have to beat good teams to get to the playoffs, and you have to beat good teams to be successful in the playoffs. The playoffs are the goal. Each year that I expected to be steamrolled in the playoffs, I've stopped caring if Denver gets to them or not. But Denver has taken a giant step forward, and there are early reasons to hope that success in the playoffs isn't far away.
We'll probably about right around Thanksgiving as to exactly where the team is, but with a bigger, tougher DL, some individual improvements and the familiarity that mutual experience brings, the team may take a big step forward. Now we get to see what raw material we have in the draft. I wouldn't expect them to salvage the year - that is more the job of the vets in FA and the developmental players, who need to take that yearly step upward. It's also the job of the coaches, the scouting departmental team and Brian Xanders people. One thing that I will say - we have one of the best owners in the game, and the town and team are fortunate in that respect.
I put it at three questions that have to be answered:
- What do we do at center? *knowing about the rest of the line wouldn't offend me, either
- What do we do in terms of a developing NT?
- What do we do at linebacker?
And the best question of them all - what do you think the questions are? Go Broncos!
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Mc Daniels has repeatedly said he wants competition at every position.
The draft will certainly indicate what positions he thinks require this level of competition to be upgraded. It sure is going to be interesting with so many uncetainties on both sides of the ball going into the season. Thanks for the summary of the state of the team going into the draft Em. Rec’d of course.
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this is a great post and i feel like i just saw into the future
detail is key and you def have plenty of that, im really excited to see what our D can do next year
i agree McD made some rookie mistake but i felt like his clock management was on point
and also i think Bob Wylie is going to be the OL Ast along with Barone
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Great stuff, Doc.
I’m admittedly one of the people who is worried about Champ’s age creeping up and the fact that he seemed to get beat more often last year than I can recall in any other year. You put my mind at ease somewhat, but I would also like to add one note to your analysis of Champ. It should not be overlooked that Champ is excellent in run support. He is not only the best tackler on the Broncos, but I would have to put him in the conversation for one of the best tacklers in the NFL. When my nephew and his high school teammates were looking for film on tackling — desire, technique, and ‘get it done-ness,’ I told them the search should start with the name Champ Bailey…
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
Great article Doc!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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What a difference a year makes
This time last year we were arguing over many things, uncertain about many things, and certain of very few. This year, as you say Doc, familiarity breeds receptions. I am much more confident that the Broncs are headed in the right direction, have built a core of TEAM players that take us into this year and the future, and are going to be more capable this season. I know that gets me into arguments with the glass half empty crowd, so bring them on.
PS Hope your back is getting better.
by RichardC on Apr 10, 2010 12:03 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks, Richard
Things just take time – no worries. Nick makes a great point on Champ – he’s a great tackler, hence his position as the final defense on returns, as well as his run support. I was pleasantly surprised by the numbers that I found on Doom in run support – they were well above what I expected. It’s going to be hard for Denver to not pay the man.
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That is a cool stat on Doom. I couldn’t believe it when I read it a few days ago, either. He’s the only player who saw serious time in the NFL last year who didn’t miss a solo tackle he attempted.
While he was certainly out of position at times, to be expected at a new position in a new scheme, I just don’t see where people get so down on him in run support.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
For me, it was the number of times that he was out of position, this year
However – you can coach him on that one. In past years, fixed up on the left tackle, he really did struggle in run coverage. I made the mistake of seeing poor run positional coverage and thought that it was the same thing – and it wasn’t. It was his first year at the position, and he came through it like a champ. Or a Champ, for that matter. Both were among the best in the league. By the way, great work between him and Martindale. That can’t hurt the way Martindale will use him come the autumn. I’d bet that he’s already sat back and smiled about that a few times. I’ve read several times that the LBs in similar versions of the Bullough are the most important players on the squad. That might be overstatement – you don’t turn down great players at any position, but Doom shows signs of being turned into a serious monster, and he’s only been at the position for a single year. Ayers looks raw and very promising on the other side, too. Nice start.
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No doubt. So we’re agreed that it’s less of a matter of his ability to be a good run defender at his new position, but more of a matter of getting familiar in the system and knowing where to be more often?
I can’t wait to see him in his second year in the system, and expect some pretty awesome things from Ayers opposite him, as well. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, within two years we should have, along with Dallas (Ware and Spencer) the best pair of OLB’ers in the league.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
As is often the case, I'm totally with you
He has to learn the position, but for a 1st year performance, leading the league in sacks and missing 0 tackles is a pretty danged good statement. And I noticed the comments on Ayers from Martindale this week – something to the effect that fantasy football has people so focused on stats that they don’t know football, or words to that effect. Ayers played about 1/2 the downs that J. Peppers did. He also had 1/2 the hurries that Peppers had. He isn’t there to be the kind of player that Peppers is, nor am I comparing the except in that one category. It’s a pretty impressive stat in that one category, though. You really could watch Ayers improving, week to week. They should be a great pair – pretty wild stuff. We have some holes to fill – up front, especially, and an ILB (wouldn’t mind a WR, CB or RB, either) – but this team is coming together. I particularly like that the 3 new DL players all come from winning teams, as does Nate Jones. Winning is a great habit to get into.
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Terrific, I enjoy our little “sidebar” chats, BB.
While we’re here, since you’re not officially on the MHR staff any more, can I quietly suggest/request that you go back to your old BB handle?
I’m really starting to get excited about Wink, to go along with my appreciation for McDaniels and Xanders, whether that appreciation is unfounded or not. I just dig what I’ve heard about Wink, and also everything I’ve heard him say. I’m with him, fantasy football is the worst, and viewing the game through a “FF” lens is a sure way to know nothing of substance about it.
After we started talking QB hurries a little ways up, I scoured Google for a little while trying to find stats on the subject, so I could compare Ayers stats to some of the top pass-rushers in the game. Unbelievably, I couldn’t find any! Nobody seems to keep the stat, and I guess it’s a part of the recent statistical revolution that hasn’t become mainstream yet. Which is baffling really, since I thought the stat had been common and recorded in the game for years now.
Anyways, Ayers numbers on QB pressures last season are very impressive, and back up what us “Ayers Apologists” have been saying for a long time now. He didn’t fail last season, and he will be good going forward. Count on it!
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
by aLuffabo on Apr 11, 2010 12:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So are we saying
that Doom was out of position due to not reading the play accurately enough because of his inexperience as an OLB, or was he out of position due to not being able to fight off blocks? Hopefully it’s the former, because in that case I’d expect him to make strides in his second year. My impression has been that it’s a little too easy to push him out wide to clear room for off-tackle runs. Hope I’m wrong about that. Maybe his being out wide in such situations is the result of him being too quick to rush a QB who’s actually handing the ball off. I notice that almost half of his tackles were sacks, so he didn’t actually have a lot of tackles on running plays. I don’t know what the norm is for OLBs, though. If his earlier difficulties against the run (as DE) were due to being physically overmatched, if his progress at his new position continues, and if Ayers makes visible progress on the other side, we might find ourselves with the league’s best set of “bookend” outside linebackers. Lots of ifs but it’s that time of year.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Good point on his ability to fight off blocks
I think that he’s got a ways to go to learn how to use his hands better in keeping his legs clean, and that’s certainly one reason that he’s out of position: he does get washed out of plays. But one reason that he got washed out of several that I recall was the RDE failing to do his own job.
I’m hopeful that Doom will continue to improve – I’d be surprised if he didn’t – and the thing that I came away from watching Ayers with was exactly what Martindale has commented on more than once – he was visibly improving, week to week. So far, he hasn’t given me any reason to believe that he’s topping out, so to speak. That’s true of both, and it does give me a lot of interest in watching the LBs next season. Eminently logical, my pointy eared friend.
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Great read, rec'd Doc!
Jamal Williams is so big that he gets to play wherever he wants.
Just like JaMarcus Russell, eh?
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
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After the Faders give up on him, should we give Ja(bba)Marcus a chance to be our NT? 2013 maybe?
- Nick
"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu
I think this is a great idea.
Let’s sign him now so that Jamal Williams can mentor him in the ways of nosetackling. He could be our starting NT next year, if he’s a fast learner.
haha, fast learner? ……I say funny things. Let’s shoot for 2014….
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 10, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
help me understand...
I too was under the impression Doom was a liability in run defense… so your information was a surprise. Perhaps you can help me understand why teams like the Faiders, Chefs, and Skins were able to rack up so many yards against us on the ground (all teams looking for help on the O-Line in the draft). Was Doom out of position that many times in those games? Was it our ILBs? I’m struggling with this one and I hope we address this issue aggressively in the draft…
In my neck of the woods, I sadly get an earfull of the choke artist Faiders and their miserable ilk… thanks goodness for this blog!
Sure - it's a tough issue.
Doom wasn’t always on the field. When he was, he did have trouble with run defenses in terms of positioning assignments, even though when he was making a tackle, he was excellent. Unfortunately, he wasn’t alone in his issues with run assignments and some games it seemed like he was nearly alone in his ability to make tackles. There were problems with the DL play as well as the LBs. We even had some issues with safeties on our run defense on certain plays.
All isn’t lost, although it eventually was in 2009. We brought in some much larger (and, I think, more talented) DL players from winning teams. Doom will get to learn his defensive positions, as well as that need going to some of the other LBs, including but not limited to Davis. Reid struggled at times, which made sense since he didn’t play the position before. DJ didn’t have a very good year – he led the team in tackles, but he experienced issue in coverage and run defense. Wes Woodyard wasn’t as stout as the year before. Any of these could have been problematic – all of them together was a disaster, for the second half of the season. The Broncos were at the point where they needed to be excellent and efficient in order to be successful. Denver players made far too many mistakes.
It’s hoped that we improve on our players, that we get more familiar with the schemes and that we tackle better overall. If so, we could do very well. We also have to keep in mind that both KC and OAK are improving – taking either lightly will give us more loses.
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The biggest question of all
is how do you manage to always get your vast knowledge into words that are so explanatory and yet so easy to understand. Great job again Doc.
I'm glad you utilized that source for McBath and Bruton.
These Herd articles were done with excellent timing.
With the current Roster sitting at 60 players and 6 draft picks, there will be at least 13 more players signed between now and Training Camp. I believe they left an open slot for a late pickup last season. I make it that there should be at least 2 Guards, a Center, a Tackle, 2 WR’s, 2 DL’s, 2 ILB’s, 1 OLB, and a CB out of the 20 remaining slots just for enough bodies to practice and have competition. We should find out soon after the draft, whether Everette Pedescleaux, and/or Rulon Davis are invited to Camp.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 10, 2010 10:07 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Sorry, I should have clarified
that paired with the 13 more.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Kirk,
Great points. Especially about Pedescleaux and Rulon Davis. I was sad to see the Marine not make the squad, but I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back to compete again this year, especially with the family connection to our Mile High City. Additionally, it would be nice to see us bring back some guys that competed last year. Guys that are familiar with the system, who can seriously up the level of competition. The more continuity we have this year the better, even with roster fodder. Though in a way, new faces are important too. We can’t bring in all the cuts from last year – as they were obviously cut for a reason. It kind of sucks to be on the outside looking in. Whether we bring in last years cuts, or try out some new CFA’s, either way I just hope the front office is making good player evaluations and stays confident in their choices. Should be an interesting training camp, that’s for sure.
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
by Alexander Wall on Apr 13, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent post, Emmett. Rec'd!
Very clear analysis of the status of our defense. Your 3 questions appear to sum up what we are looking at this year. I have saved this to my email files.
Thanks, Doc. Hope your back is healing nicely.
This is the reason I don't see us taking Dan Williams in the first.
I’ve literally lost track of the number of options that Denver can put out and have at least one NT player with two DEs on the field. One of the stat guys really should work that out. It has to be impressive.
Sure. I understand that argument, but I also find it misleading
With respect, here’s the counter-argument –
What we don’t have is a player who can be a designated NT in 2 years. J. Williams may have 3 years left, but given his last few seasons and offseasons, he seems to be getting injured more often and more severely. Resting up for a year following the triceps tear is great, but he’s still aging, huge and frequently injured.
Moreover, the position tends to take a couple of years to master and some drafts have few or no candidates. Last year, there were no players in the draft that McX felt could fill in that role – the closest thing was Baker as an undrafted CFA and we have no idea how that’s gone. This year, there are players of several types, depending on what Martindale prefers, who can fit that position. That’s not always the case. If we don’t obtain one this year, we’re another year behind on keeping the team consistent with regard to personnel. In other words – we’ve got a problem.
There are, in theory, several ways to go about solving that problem, but keep in mind that this year no team let their big guy go, and the ‘Skins couldn’t move Haynesworth, who has been public about not wanting to play in a 3-4 (and who is, IMO, incredibly overpriced). Free agency is highly unlikely to be a successful way to fill the slot.
That said, the draft is the most logical option. If Denver passes on the selection of NTs this season, they could be in trouble fairly quickly. A couple of injuries and we’re back to about where we were last season. There’s also no guarantee that next year will hold a good selection of NTs either. It could as easily be another 2009, with no reasonable candidates. Given all of these facts, I expect Denver to leave the draft with at least one candidate for the full-time position. The wild card continues to be Baker, who might provide us with that missing player – but we as fans can’t know that, going into the draft. If he’s not that player, Denver is close to being in serious trouble on the DL. You have to look at 1, 2 3, and 5 years down the road, and sometimes, that’s hard to do.
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Scarcity factor?
I agree here almost across the board.
First, the center of the line on both offense and defense is more important than we sometimes recognize.
Second, some positions rarely have multiple choices in a draft. QB is one. NT is another. IMO OC is the third (I thought last year Alex Mack and Max Unger were the best OCs in ten years – don’t regard Pouncey in that class, at least not yet). Possibly OT is fourth. They’re all somewhat scarce. Maybe NT rarest of all.
When available their value rises precipitously. Jamal may play brilliantly this year without injury (but maybe not); Baker may be a “pro-bowler in waiting”, but maybe not. But gettin another one when one is available is almost a necessity (when another may not be available for years). And, giving injuries and rotations for stamina and freshness, a NT in training would not be wasted.
I don’t know what McX will do. But i’d be tempted to draft NT and OT in the first 2-3 rounds. The OT gives depth and flexibility (easier to convert OT into OG or OC than to convert OG or OC in OT).
LBs, WRs, RBs, CBs are not so rare this year and have good quality in the later rounds.
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 11, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Centers aren't really scarce...
… what is scarce are OC’s who can start as rookies. There are a lot of centers that can be developed over a few years.
The net effect of this is centers tend to fall in the draft, because they are “developmental” positions.
They aren’t “scarce”, as you can clearly see by their average salaries… which are actually very low compared to other positions. If they were scarce, the top guys would be making the big bucks…. but as there is a huge pool of talent that can give 95% of what the top guys do, there is no scarcity to make teams spend big on the few guys that are above average.
Those low salaries is the other reason they tend to fall in the draft, because if you pay them high 1st round money, they have to be a pro-bowl caliber player or they are a salary drain on the rest of the team. This is why I’m high on Pouncey (rare rookie C that might start), but I don’t want to touch him with the #11 pick (too high a salary).
Interesting point on the centers
Back in the early 1990’s, LT’s weren’t paid squat. None of the linemen were – it went with the position. Pat Bowlen was the catalyst for that change – he paid both Brian Habib and the LT – I should look up the LT’s name – outrageous salaries for that day. However – within a few years, LT’s commonly made as much as anyone but the QB. One LT had it in his contract (and it would never get by the league today) that he would make more than any other player. It was a very quick change, based on the increased recognition that your LT and LG keep your QB upright and functioning. The center and right side has never been see quite the same way, but that may change.
One of the members pointed out the other day that with the 3-4 defenses going up from 1 or 2 in 1999 to 13-15 (depends on how you categorize the hybrids) this year, that centers who can handle the NTs straight up may be moving up in salary quite soon. The standard response to the 3-4 is power running up the middle, so he’s got a point there as well. Given the history, that’s not out of the realm of possibility – we’ll see what happens.
You’re quite right on this point – Centers who can start in year 1 are very rare. If we got one, he’ll be worth what he costs.
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It might have been
Senior moment….I’ve got it on an article that I did about 1.5 years ago – let me check.
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Sorry - for those who didn't want to slog through the article:
It was the Denver Broncos who led the charge that would change all that. In 1993, Pat Bowlen had them quickly signing guard Brian Habib and left tackle Don Maggs for three times that amount; a Broncos spokesman pointed out that John Elway had been sacked 52 times the previous year and that Maggs and Habib were being paid to put a stop to that. A center, Kirk Lowdermilk of the Colts went for $2 million a few days later. The surge to pay offensive linemen was on and no one made more than the left tackles.
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I was coming back to report
I just got caught up in it. Hey, how come they all called you Bear back then?
My first username was broncobear
I’m not sure why, but for many years. folks have either called me Doc (Ok, I understand that one) or Bear. I don’t know – I hug a lot and I’m partial to honey, but if we want to type cast, Tim is the one on MHR with a pelt. If I were Master Lynch, I’d stay out of forests during the autumn hunting season…or get a full body wax ;-). At any rate, lots of people have always called me that, so I took it as a tag.
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HaHa
OK Thanks Doc. That was quite the article. You must have access to a ton of info just by pulling up old articles.
Yep
Generally, there’s at least one article on almost anything by someone on the site. I often punch in some key words when I do research – saves a ton of time. My archives have lots of raw data, too. I have an old habit from when I wrote medical articles and books of keeping the URLs of articles on players, schemes, coaches, history of the game, etc, etc. Thank goodness for Google Docs. Doug turned me on to them, and I no longer waste hard drive space with all of my info. Makes it easy to share stuff, too.
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Just for your info Digger...
Tim Lynch=Zappa
Steve Nichols=Hoosierteacher
John Bena=The Sports Guru
Emmett Smith=Broncobear
jeremy Bolander=Styg50
Doug Lee=NYCBroncofan
TJ Johnson=Lebowski (sp?)
In a post on Trends....
i made a point that the increase in 3-4 defenses with the increase in the importance of the NT would result in the increase in the importance of the OC even possibly beyond that of the LT. To counter the key role of the NT the OC would ideally be able to handle the NT one on one. These OCs are very rare and would be expensive. (Cheap OCs are plentiful. They’re big players who can play either OT or OG; just hike the ball and try to get in the way of someone, mostly with a double-team).
I definitely see that as a trend. First teams to recognize it will win big.
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 12, 2010 8:07 PM MDT up reply actions
That's "who can't play either OT or OG....
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 12, 2010 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I knew it was someone whose work I trust
I think that it’s a great point. If you read the article you can see how the changes in the game – the pass-rush of Lawrence Taylor, in particular – have moved the money around. Not only do I think that you’re on to something, Ivan, but it got me thinking about a secondary issue that may follow. I’ve been working on an article about that for some days now – should have it ready sometime in the next week(ish).
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its a possibility...
… but I guess I’d hate to be the team that guesses wrong on this trend. The trend toward 3-4s has been ongoing for awhile, and we still haven’t seen an exorbitant center payday, even in the AFCN where they go against Hampton/Rogers/Ngata all year.
What I think is more likely is that all O-lineman will average out in salary, but potentially at a much lower price than the current elite LTs. Sure its great to have a center that can go one-on-one with the best NTs… but its not really all that much more helpful than having an OT or OG that can do the same with the top DE/OLBs or 4-3 DTs. As long as you have at least a couple guys that can one-on-one with whoever, you can always provide extra help to those that can’t (or do a quick hit to the outlet if they’re blitzing).
Denver’s problems last year didn’t really start until Harris went out, because then we couldn’t provide help to enough places because we always had to protect Polumbus, along with Hamilton/Weigman. With Harris back, and at least one new competant LG or C, we’ll be fine.
I can see this as a mitgating factor for Pouncey, but I think it mitigates him to a top-20 salary, not all the way up to a #11 salary. Remember, folks were talking about this guy in the 2nd round not even 2 months ago.
I hear you on that
What I think is more likely is that all O-lineman will average out in salary, but potentially at a much lower price than the current elite LTs.
I think that you’re right – there is likely to be a bump, but how high and to who are good questions. Your point on Pouncey’s status is very fair – As has been the case with a lot of players, the annual scarcity vs need equation can make things seem very odd. Tyson Jackson at the 3rd pick? I’m not knocking the player, but the scarcity that year of 5-techs drove him up from a much lower position (usually, 2nd to 3rd round) into the first, and then he kept going up and up. At least I can see why Pouncey is a 1s round player, ala Mack last year.
Your analysis of the Broncos problems is also, as per your usual, spot on. I think that we were exposed on depth an the transition to a new scheme. The ‘in house’ guys are interesting, and we’re likely to get a couple more OL this draft. If they’re well chosen, we’ll be fine – the following season. I think that’s why Pouncey is moving up – and I’m not defending the 11 slot for him, just noting that no other Center has shown that they could be ready in September.
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Agree on Pouncey
I kind of agree on Pouncey. I’m still waiting to be convinced that he is elite category. Thought Cody pretty much handled him this last year. So far, don’t put him in the class of Mack.
Theoretically, the weakness of the 3-4 is against the run, especially straight ahead. The correction to that weakness is a strong 2 gap NT, who controls the middle. Denver’s weakness last year offensively (and defensively) was its inability to control the middle, even against teams with average or below average NTs.
Every trend I see starts with control of the middle. Hence the increasing importance of NT and OC/OG. Maybe being “just fine” with Harris back and some better play at OC and OG is all we can hope for. But to win, IMO, it’s going to be important to be more than “just fine”. Control of the middle will have to be a high priority. Just ask Indianapolis.
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 13, 2010 6:20 AM MDT up reply actions
Are WR really deep in this draft?
I thought I’ve heard this is actually a very poor draft for WRs… basically none of the prospects are considered sure things (the best guy is a character, every body else is slow or unrefined in technique), and there aren’t even that many of them, so guys that might have been 4th/5ths in previous drafts are getting pushed up to 2nd/3rds due to scarcity.
I have heard its a fabulous year for CB depth, and the reason we they haven’t had the hype is that there are a boatload of them that are all relatively good, so no one individual stands out.
None of the RBs really impress me. Spiller is the most likely to surprise, but he’s way too small, and everyone else has issues too. Gerhardt maybe the most intriguing to me, but he seems more a role player than a HOFer.
Not at the top
The quality of WR at the top of the draft this year is pretty thin. In addition, there are some “character concerns” which is endemic with WRs. But at about round three it picks up and then there are a lot, many of them pretty interesting.
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 12, 2010 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
That's why I think Troup may be the choice over D Williams or T Cody.
Unless McX feel Dan Williams is a can’t miss prospect at 11 and I highly doubt that. Do you?
I've been one who's open to it
He has weaknesses, and yet he’s darned good. He’s also made fast progress as soon as he got decent coaching, and he could be good enough to take there – I honestly don’t know enough to be sure, and the Baker Effect is in full swing ;-) There is also the question of the exact somatype that the manual for NT calls for. Since we don’t know, it’s all theory. But is he a top 15er? To me, yes. To others, no. And that’s the draft, you know?
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Williams, Cody, Troup
They brought in three NTs for visits. Ignoring for the moment that it could be a smoke screen (waste of visits IMO on a smoke screen), they are either attempting to decide which one fits best their player type or trying to decide how high to rank each if they are available at a Bronco draft position. They may rank them Williams, Cody, Troup in that order (or switch Cody and Williams based on *The Gorilla Factor), and then decide which one would be the best value at a pick where they would be available. In any event, I would not be surprised to see a NT taken in the draft, perhaps pretty high.
(*Gorilla Factor – a perfect NT would be a 600 lb Gorilla, with an IQ of 160 and arm lenghth of 53 inches who can be trained to grab and tackle anyone carrying football, knock out of way anyone who isn’t , and bat any flying football within reach to the ground. Since no NFL NTs are this “perfect” how high an IQ would be required if the rest were part of the skill set (30 points?, 40 points?) – or how much IQ should be added with a less size than 600 lbs (40 points per 100 lbs?), etc.)
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 11, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The question we all have and are anxious to see is the #11 pick...
Strongly agitated by the tick-tock of the clock moving more slowly than last season’s week to week anticipation of the games, I can’t wait for the 11th pick to be called…I believe more and more that pick will be determined by those 10 teams before us and the player available at the time. Will we take McClain? Maybe, but I think if it was a toss up between McClain and Haden, Haden would get the nod. Dan Williams is another prospect who was brought in along with Cody and Troup and I really don’t see McX taking a NT at 11 when we have one developing talent in the barn (Baker), so my hunch is Troup in the 3rd as our second developing NT.
@11 Joe Haden, Florida St. Pouncey may be a prospect we really get all googled eyed over but do we take him at 11? If and I say ‘if’ we trade Marshall to Seattle for our #14 back do we grab him there? I would say yes and address the WR later maybe in the 4th-5th rds. RB at 5th -6th? Man, I’m confused…Ha ha ha….
Really enjoyed reading both articles Doc
for me 2 questions i am looking forward to see being answered are how serious is Ryan Harris’ injury? and what role is Eddie Royal going to have this season?
Those are great questions
We won’t really know how the toe is until he is placed in some situations where it is repetitively stressed, to see if or how much it becomes aggravated – Antonio Gates found that it kept re-aggravating for almost 2 seasons, but sometimes you do get luckier. As far as Eddie – I see him having 4 things going for him.
1. Josh McD has commented repeatedly that they are going to use him more and use him differently
2. Orton has commented that they want to get Eddie into the game more
3. Royal is getting lots of time in the offseason to learn to identify and overcome his weaknesses from last year and
4. Royal’s concussions have drawn no rumors, so they are likely to be recovering. A long time of rest is the primary treatment for them, and the timing is such that he should be ready for OTAs.
With Royal’s work ethic and the focus of the HC and QB on getting him more involved, his odds of success are great. Royal has a lot of natural ability. The issues are several: not using his hands enough, learning to fight press, and just not being on the same page as Orton are three big ones. Orton and Royal will both be more comfortable with the playbook and will continue to become more comfortable with each other, which is also in the team’s favor. There are always things that can go wrong, but I’d suggest that given all of these factors, it’s likely that the issue will be resolved. Thanks for commenting, Steve.
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great analysis especially re: DJ not fitting the system, when teams ran right at him they were very successful, frequently they didn’t block him and he still never made the tackle. Most of the big gains on running plays were misses by DJ. Hopefully they can move him to a 4-3 front team and get a stud like McClain in the draft!
Awesome post Doc!
Great timing too. I’m excited to see who we call up on draft day to compete in all these positions. I really hope we land a gem at LB (Weatherspoon is the one on my wishlist, and for ILB not OLB), although I am on the Spencer Larson bandwagon. I’d like to see him step up and take the reins at that position. I think a lot of where he plays is going to depend on whether we pick up some LBs in the draft or if we pull the trigger on a solid FB. Doing either of those two things will heavily influence where the FO decides to play Larsen. If we pick up both then we won’t have a clue till preseason rolls around, lol.
Anyways, great write-up! Should be interesting to see how the draft pans out and how we look going into Training Camp.
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
I have no idea what they'll do on Larsen
It will be tough to move him out of FB/ST where he’s been so valuable, but FBs are available in the 7th round and in UDFA status. If Denver takes one, Larsen gets a shot. If not….
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