Cutler Haters

by dcrespo7 on Apr 16, 2010 12:04 PM MDT

Here is something I came across from a Bear fan. I wanted to share it w/the community because it shed some facts I wasn't aware of. I know Cutler is old news. As well as Marshall. But what I'm about to link is very disturbing because we have a lot of changes heading into year 2 of the McDaniels Era. I don't want to panic but WHAT ARE WE DOING!? *Attempt at Sarcasm*

This little rant was on April 15th well after the 2009 Season had been completed.

Dear Cutler haters,

ACTUAL TALENT, PHYSICAL GIFTS ASIDE, PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF OFFENSIVE SUCCESS & NECK BEARDS ASIDE... I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT SOME OF YOU WOULD RATHER HAVE ORTON AT THE HELM OF THE Bears.

So, FEAST ON THESE STATS...

If nothing else, you can clearly see that despite Cutler's faults this year, neck beard was equally unimpressive, especially down the stretch:

1. Orton threw for 12 TD and 11 INT in the last 10 games for Denver. Cutler threw 11TDS to 3INTS over his LAST 3...

2. Orton won 2 of the last 10 games. Cutler WON 3 of the last 5 (lost to GB & Bal, who are much better than us right now)

3. Orton's the 3rd QB in history to not get his team to the playoffs after a 6-0 start.

4. Orton is the first QB in Bronco history to lose every home game against its division rivals.

5. Orton lost the final 4 games of the season (KC, WASH, OAK, SD).

6. Orton lost the final game to KC 44 to 24 at home.

7. Orton lost the 14th game of the season to Oak 20-19 at home.

8. Orton couldn’t win more games than the 2008 team, led by Cutler, with better/ healthier talent around him.

9. The Orton led offense scored a 100 less offensive points than the Denver QB did in 2008, led by Cutler.

10. Orton turned the 2nd overall ranked offense into the 15th overall middle of the road offense.

11. Orton also was lucky enough to have the 7th overall defense and still couldn’t win more than 8 games.

12. Orton was lucky enough to have Marshall 100% healthy/ insuspended for 16 games.

13. Orton also didn't have to watch Marshall fumble the ball 9 times like he did in 2008.

14. Orton got to watch his kicker made 18/19 FG over the last 10 games, while only producing 3 TD's.

15. Orton led his team to 20 points or less in 9 out of 16 games? Two of which he had freak 50 & 90 yard TD's in the last minute of regulation.

16. Orton lost 3 games to sub 500 teams down the stretch? Washington, KC and Oak.

17. Orton threw for 280 yards or more with a very talented offense surrounding him just twice.

18 Orton couldn’t win games at home as it was promised his winning ways would do.

19. Orton produced more 3 and outs by the 10th game of the season than the 2008 Broncos had all season long.

Make sure you caught that part about Denver scoring 100 less offensive points than the 2008 team did with more talent. How sad is that?

With an offense with an extra year of experience under its belt, its best weapon having played a full season with a tear in his hip finally being healthy and playing out of his mind & A SUSPECT AFC WEST schedule. Orton still couldn't get it done. Considering all the miracle passes and all the miracle catches his WR made for him, he still found a way to become the 3rd QB in history to miss the playoffs after his team started 6-0. IMPRESSIVE!

Now going into his 8th year, he shouldn't be classified as a "has been", he falls under the catagory of "never was". Once the Bears get healthy, get some new coaches & add some TALENT at WR, we'll be right back in the playoff mix.

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It ALL Ortons fault his is a BRONCOS!!!

sounds like.

by numeraluno on Apr 16, 2010 12:25 PM MDT reply actions

Correction!!!

It’s ALL Ortons fault he is a BRONCOS!!!

by numeraluno on Apr 16, 2010 12:26 PM MDT reply actions

I don’t dislike his skill, I dislike his personality and his questionable decision making.

Most people here don’t think Orton is the long term answer, since I question if he is or not, put me in the bunch that doesn’t feel he is the long term answer either.

by Todd Jewell on Apr 16, 2010 12:29 PM MDT reply actions

I Like Orton

His qb rating was better than Cutler’s in both Denver and Chicago. His qb rating has consistantly gotten better. There is good reason to think that his qb rating will be in the 90’s this year.
Whether he is long term or not depends if he gets beat out or not. So far he has won every open qb competition he has been in.

Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler

by 3nS on Apr 16, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions

Cutler has the tools to be one of the best in the NFL.

The problem lies somewhere between his ears…

by bfree2bronc on Apr 16, 2010 12:31 PM MDT reply actions

Couldn't say it better

Many relate him to Favre, which is partly true, he does hold the record for most interceptions, both are strong armed, trusting mostly in themselves, and strong willed. Like the skill not the attitude.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 17, 2010 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions

Troll = Math Fail

The 2008 Broncos offense outscored the 2009 version by 34 points. How does 34 = 100? So confused. Look it up on the Internets!

by Chibronx on Apr 16, 2010 12:32 PM MDT reply actions

Cutler is better than Orton.

It wasn’t just Orton for Cutler though now was it? Cutler watch is over now that we have all picks coming to us for him. Wish him luck.

by Digger24 on Apr 16, 2010 12:47 PM MDT reply actions

Apples to Oranges

1. Orton threw for 12 TD and 11 INT in the last 10 games for Denver. Cutler threw 11TDS to 3INTS over his LAST 3…

2. Orton won 2 of the last 10 games. Cutler WON 3 of the last 5 (lost to GB & Bal, who are much better than us right now)

Using that kind of logic, you could find a way to prove Chris Simms is better than Tom Brady.

by Velveeta on Apr 16, 2010 1:06 PM MDT reply actions

The stats don't lie

Orton isnt that great of a QB. I’ve said that all offseason to anyone that would listen. I’m almost positive after this year I’ll have a lot more people agreeing with me then I presently do.

Either way, Orton and Cutler is old news. No reason to continually beat this into the bush. Orton will be the starter on opening day. How long he holds onto that spot is another story..

How about some good news out of Denver. How about a story saying how Dumervil has signed a long term deal for top dollar like he deserves.

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen

by johnnystarr on Apr 16, 2010 1:30 PM MDT reply actions

I hope

That does not mean you are rooting for Orton to fail, and therefore the Broncos to fail just so you can be right.

by Broncanatic on Apr 16, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions

Yea I don't see what good

It does to root for players to fail

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 17, 2010 12:09 AM MDT up reply actions

not once in my statement did I say I want the Broncos to fail

But as of right now I see the Broncos struggling mightily on offense. I thought last year was a struggle the majority of the time. I definitely think that more now with Marshall gone.

Rooting for my team to fail and being honest in their assessment is two totally different things.

You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?

by johnnystarr on Apr 17, 2010 6:35 AM MDT up reply actions

I forgot we were fans of

the Denver Orton’s. Orton was playing LB while that fat pig QB from Oakland was tearing us apart. Orton was also playing DE when McNabb took it for 27 yards on 4th down.

For all of you ready with some sort of snappy comment remember all I’m saying is Orton plays for the Broncos and there were many Broncos that played a part in winning and losing not just Orton.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 1:38 PM MDT reply actions

We all massage stats at times to make our argument. This is textbook example. Bottom line is the Bears got worse with Cutler at the helm. The Broncos stayed the same with Orton. Nuf said.

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge

by SSMT on Apr 16, 2010 1:41 PM MDT reply actions

Therefore ... what

so what is your point!

by isaiahkyler on Apr 16, 2010 1:48 PM MDT reply actions

That IS my point. You can massage stats to make a player look better in one light vs. the other. The Bears poster makes a pointless and specious argument. All that really matters is end results. If you want a point: Orton was a better QB than Cutler in 2009.

by SSMT on Apr 16, 2010 2:19 PM MDT reply actions

Cutler is unquestionably a more gifted QB

except between the ears where it counts the most.

by BillBert11 on Apr 16, 2010 2:25 PM MDT reply actions

Whether we like it or not....

Cutler is no longer a Bronco and Orton is…I suspect that both QB’s will dissapoint their fan base over the next few seasons…In Denver, Orton is simply a stop gap until a better option emerges. For better or worse, our fan base will never be satisfied until theplayer at the helm can WIN games instead of manage them….

In Chicago, I expect the fan base will grow increasingly tired of Cutler, since they gave up so much to get him, and he is frankly NOT AS GOOD as advertised….which is why he is not in Denver to begin with…

The real pressure is on McD to convert the picks (and possibly a future trade of Orton) into talent that takes this team to nxt level. I have given up caring about Cutler and Chicago….I do however remain unconvinced about Orton (don’t bother to forward stats or other useless attempts to convince me that he is the second coming). Looking ahead three years from now, Cutler will still be QB of the Bears (and perhaps flailing away) but I suspect Orton will not be at the helm of the Broncos…as always, I hope I am wrong about this…I hope Orton makes me eat my words and wonder how stupid I am for doubting him…though he showed some flashes last year, his greatest strength, as a smart caretaker were offset by his lack of mobility and inbilty to place the team on his back…itis not a knock on him…those are rare traits…and that is why there is only one Super Bowl winner each year…not many teams have that guy….and in Denver, the search will continue until “that guy” is located….

What if you don't know Jack....but Jack knows you?

by Hugo Norton on Apr 16, 2010 3:10 PM MDT reply actions

How did

they have better offensive talent in 2009? You are extremely naive and misinformed. Ryan Harris was hurt for most of the season, and Hamilton and Weigmann didn’t fit the system. They were way too small. Notice how all the top teams in the NFL have good offensive lines? The Broncos also hired a new coach with a new system. It takes time to learn a system, and they’re just putting the finishing touches on during this off season, and even if the whole system has been learned, it takes time to get comfortable with your team mates. You must have never played sports.

No one picked the Broncos to even go 8-8 in 2009. Most people picked them to have 2-4 wins. I consider 2009 a success even with the choke at the end.

by higgyhoops12 on Apr 16, 2010 3:54 PM MDT reply actions

Didn't

Cutler have 5 INT’s in one game? That’s half of Orton’s season total!

by higgyhoops12 on Apr 16, 2010 3:55 PM MDT reply actions

It is Amazing!

Orton must be the “Waterboy” from the movie of the same name but with a different ending.

And now Orten is in on Defense! OMG

And now Orten is lined up at offensive guard! OMG

Now I can blame him for the Broncos only winning 2 out of the last ten games.

A good quarterback and a good coach will win a close game. The rest of the players lose 8 out of 10.

Nuff Said..

Coach, I am Hurt, Not Dead - Remember the Titans

by Halfmile on Apr 16, 2010 3:59 PM MDT reply actions

Orten?

Miss-spelled for a reason. The guy gave everything he had, did reasonably well, and still gets no respect for playing in a situation that was an absolute FURBALL for the Broncos.

I guess its now Nuff Said.

Coach, I am Hurt, Not Dead - Remember the Titans

by Halfmile on Apr 16, 2010 4:07 PM MDT reply actions

Wow

“Orton threw for 12 TD and 11 INT in the last 10 games for Denver. Cutler threw 11TDS to 3INTS over his LAST 3…”
   You do realize this means that Cutler threw 16 touchdowns and 23 interceptions in his first 13 games..you know..when they still had a chance to make the playoffs.
" Orton was lucky enough to have Marshall 100% healthy/ insuspended (Insuspended?) for 16 games."
   What alternate reality are you living in? Marshall had a few times when he was pulled from games..as well a being benched the WHOLE last game.
“Orton won 2 of the last 10 games. Cutler WON 3 of the last 5 (lost to GB & Bal, who are much better than us right now)”
    I see…when games are being lost when Cutler is qb..it’s the TEAM’S fault..when Orton is qb it’s HIS fault alone.
“Orton turned the 2nd overall ranked offense into the 15th overall middle of the road offense”
    OK..in 08 the Broncos had the 2nd ranked offense but only ranked 26th in scoring (the Bears were 26 and 14th). In 09 the Broncos ranked 15th on total offense and 20th in scoring (the Bears were 20th and 19th respectively).
“Now going into his 8th year, he shouldn’t be classified as a “has been”, he falls under the catagory of “never was”. Once the Bears get healthy, get some new coaches & add some TALENT at WR, we’ll be right back in the playoff mix. "
   Wow…lots of wishful thinking and ignoring of reality in this bit.
   1) Orton came into the league in 2005..which makes this season his 6th. Cutler came into the league in 06 which makes this his 5th season. Cutler (53starts..24 wins, 29 losses) has more starts than Orton (48 starts, 29 wins 19 losses)
    2) Orton has never had a losing season (in games he started) going 10-5, 2-1, 9-6 and 8-7. Cutler is 2-3, 7-9, 8-8 and 7-9.
   3) Orton has gotten better (qb rating) every year he has played…
59.7, 73.9, 79.6 and 86.8. Cutler on the other hand, has gotten worse every year..88.5, 88.1, 86.0 and 76.8.
A far as being in the playoff mix..maybe, I don’t know. Culter can be a good qb, whether he is or not remain to be seen. But I do know that if trends continue as they have Orton (assuming he stays healthy, and one big reason for his dropoff in production was his injury last year) should have a great year.

by yohimbe60 on Apr 16, 2010 4:49 PM MDT reply actions

I knew

Everyone would love this! I read it and thought, let me share this!

Say hello to my fast...

by dcrespo7 on Apr 16, 2010 7:49 PM MDT reply actions

oh jesus christ....here we go.

Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.

Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.

by Joe Medina on Apr 16, 2010 7:50 PM MDT reply actions

On a side note

Where is dcrespo7 to defend this ideas anyways?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 17, 2010 12:11 AM MDT reply actions

Orton's head is better than Cutlers...

Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.

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by Tim Lynch on Apr 17, 2010 12:58 AM MDT reply actions

And Cutler had a better record in day games played in a state with an R in its name

Who cares about a list of meaningless stats and just as many meaningless stats to counter it. When you are a starting QB in the NFL only 1 stat matters, and that is Wins, and last time I checked 7 or 8 does not cut it. If you win you will keep your job, if you lose it does not matter how many TD’s you throw in the last 3 games of the season. I swear reading this post was like listening to the announcer on “Little Big League” give stats to make their player more feared.

by LuckyCast on Apr 17, 2010 2:41 AM MDT reply actions