Potent Quotables - Josh McDaniels Pre-Draft Presser
Opening remarks
"I am excited for this process that we've been going through here for a full year and the coaching staff and myself getting caught up over the last four months getting prepared for next week. We had a big head start relative to where we were at last year. (General Manager) Brian Xanders, (Director of College Scouting) Matt Russell, (Assistant Director of College Scouting) Lenny McGill and all of our college scouts. We're way ahead and they've done a great job of putting us in position of having our board exactly where we want it now at this point. There may be some minor tweaking to it, but there really won't be a whole lot of changes to it between now and the draft. Our system leading up to this is really something that takes time and our guys have really done a lot of work to get on the same page in terms of the evaluation. Our grading system, our scale isn't the same as it was before. Again, I give a lot of credit to our scouts, Brian Xanders and the entire personnel department for putting this thing together and putting us in a position here we feel very comfortable with the board. We think it's a very deep draft and we are excited about where we're at in terms of having multiple selections in the second round and we feel like we're in a good spot in the first round. There has already been some activity and some calls back and forth in terms of moving up or down. No telling exactly what will happen at this point but there's definitely going to be some interest. We're going to be interested in those types of things as well. I think we showed last year that we're going to do whatever is best for the Broncos and we're going to do whatever we need to do to try to make our football team better. I know there might be some questions you want to ask about the trade we just consummated with Miami for Brandon Marshall. I'll say this-We're pleased with what we were able to ascertain in the deal. We're also excited for Brandon and wish him the best of luck. We're moving forward and excited to start this process with the draft."
On whether the Marshall trade has affected the team's draft strategy
"Not necessarily, no. I think we're going to go in and try to improve our team in any area that we can. I think our goal going into this offseason was to add competition at any position regardless of whether it seemed like we had players there to compete already or not. We tried to improve the competition at each position that we could. We tried to do some of that in free agency and the draft is just another opportunity for us to add some major players to our rosters at positions where there might be something of a strong need; but again, at the places we select - first and second rounds in particular - we feel like we can get quality players that can come in and compete immediately and make a big impact."
On whether it's more likely that Denver will move down from its current selection at No. 11 than move up
"I'd say there's probably a better chance (moving down) will be the case, but I wouldn't rule out if there were a certain player that we felt that strongly about - it's not out of the question. We haven't had any calls for those sorts of things at this point; Everything that we've received has been behind us. The opportunity has to be there. The player has to be there that you're looking for and we have to feel that it's a fair deal. I think we'll be flexible and we'll listen but there are a lot of other teams that are still trying to put together their plans and priorities so once we see how that is all going to unfold we'll make that decision but I think the odds would be in favor of us moving backwards probably because the most opportunity lies there."
On the team's biggest positional needs
"We have players at every position. We're out there and there's players lined up at every spot. I think that sometimes it's overrated to sit here and discuss a greatest need versus another player. I think that's how you make a mistake in a draft when you try to do that. Obviously I think there's a need and a desire for us to add competition at the center position. That's an obvious one. We just lost a receiver that made a lot of plays for us last year. We have a lot of quality players back at that position this year but that doesn't necessarily mean that we're going to go out and draft (a receiver). We'd like to add some depth in terms of the front seven, linebackers in particular. We did a lot with the front three in free agency but again, I think it's just a matter of the player you feel comfortable and matching your selection with where you can get guys. Like I said, I think it's a deep draft. I think everyone really feels that way and I think you'll see a lot of teams hold their water and take a good player. Wherever you're at, you're going to get a good player in this draft in the first couple of rounds. You may be getting third-round, fourth-round players that come in and compete pretty quickly."
On concerns about drafting Oklahoma State WR Dez Bryant due to character issues
"We had Dez Bryant here the other day, we spent time with him at the combine, we spent a lot of time with him actually. I'm not going to comment on Brandon, but with Dez Bryant, I think you need to be careful confusing character issues with some people who have made some mistakes. This guy has never been arrested, never had a drinking issue and never done anything to put himself in that position. I think he's made a few mistakes that he wishes he hadn't made but I think there's a difference. You can say well, ‘This guy has made a couple mistakes that have been really glorified,' and made a big deal of it and all of the sudden turn him into a really bad kid. That's the farthest thing from the truth relative to (Bryant). We enjoyed our visit with him and he did everything we asked him to do. He had a smile on his face and he did everything well. I'll tell you this, he's on our board - there's no question. I know there are other teams that may have taken him off their board but he is not one of the players who is off our board."
On whether he's talked about Alabama LB Rolando McClain with Alabama Head Coach Nick Saban
"Yes, we have a fairly good connection and (Alabama) has a lot of players in this draft that may be selected in the first couple of rounds. Rolando was here the same day that Dez was here, and I'm not sure I've met a young man as intelligent relative to the game of football than Rolando McClain. He's obviously been well coached but even if you're coached well, it takes another side to get to where he's at. He's obviously done a lot of listening, studying and understands the game at a level where most kids that come in as rookies will never be at. That's a credit to the work he's done at Alabama, the way he's been coached and he has a very bright future ahead of him. He's a good player; there are a lot of them. Like I said, there are a lot of players that we had in our building. We had a lot of great visits over the last couple of weeks here. We took our full allotment of 30 and really took an interest in a lot of players. The thing about this draft is that it's deep enough where a lot of people are saying, ‘These players are all going to go in the first round.' Well, they all can't - I think that's how deep this draft is. You're going to be sitting there in the second round saying, ‘Wow, I never thought this guy would be here.' Like you said, Rolando McClain, Dez Bryant and we've had a number of other players in here who are going to be picked right around where we pick. We're going to finalize that process in the next couple of days because we have to have a plan for if we are picking at 11, what's going to happen."
On the value of draft visits with prospects
"We don't bring anyone in who we don't sincerely have an interest in. Now that doesn't mean that the players that we bring in are all being questioned the same way. There might be certain things we need to know about some players that we already know about others. It might be a thing where we want to put them on our board again. When they're here we have an opportunity to watch their tape with them and let them talk about their system and what they're doing on those plays. You get a feel for how well they knew what they were doing, what they were responsible for and coached for at their universities and then we try to teach them our stuff. We put them in a classroom just like they would be in rookie minicamp and say, ‘All right, these are the first five things that are going to go in.' Then we'll come back around to it and say, ‘OK, now what are you doing on this? What are you doing on that?' You get a feel and a sense for how they learn. We always tell them that it's a two-way street. There's nothing saying that they can't ask us 50 questions while they're in the building. Like I said, we had 30 visits and every one of them was very productive for us. We learned everything we needed to know about the players that were here and they did very well and just solidified our understanding of the board."
On whether he cares if other teams find out who the Broncos brought in for visits
"That doesn't matter. I don't know who knows what, whether we had so-and-so in here... I don't think it matters. I think it's our process and we won't be finished with that process until Wednesday night. There might still be some work to be done and we're taking all the time that we have. I don't think it is some big secret thing. You have 30 good football players in your building and you can't take them all and (other teams) know that so I don't think you're going to fool anyone into doing something foolish."
On whether he'd prefer to stay at No. 11 or move down
"I think there's going to be a plan for both. There's no question about that. You can never go into a draft and not be ready to make a selection at the spot you have. If you do assume that you're automatically going to have a nice convenient trade partner, you can get burned real quickly. We're going to be ready to pick at 11 and like last year, we were one spot different, but we had a couple of guys in mind that we were going to take at that spot and whichever one of them was highest on the board at that time was the one we were going to select. It happened to be (running back) Knowshon (Moreno) and this year will be the same. There are a few players that we would take at that spot and that process is going to culminate in the next couple of days. To me, it's all about who went ahead of you. If you have a list of three or four players that you really would like to get your hands on one of them and three of them are gone and you're trading significantly down the board, you need to make a decision about that. You can pick up picks and maybe players and all the rest of that stuff but if you're going to lose the players that you really covet in the first round you've got to be careful about making that decision."
On how the Broncos rate players
"We don't necessarily guess on rounds in which a player will be selected. We grade every player that's eligible for the draft in terms of their fit for our football team regardless of what everybody else thinks of them. To me, that's the beauty of what we have. It doesn't matter what Oakland thinks of him, or San Diego, or Jacksonville or somebody else. For us, he is a blank... A second-year starter at outside linebacker (for example). It's very detailed and very descriptive. It takes a lot of things into consideration and we always look at it on a two-year scale because we understand that rookies, when they come in that first year, have a lot to learn and to be able to get up to speed and play at this level, sometimes it takes them a full year. We always look at it on a two-year projection and where he's going to be at after two years. At that point, we project him as a starter, as a key backup, as a core special teams player and versatility is obviously taken into consideration because that can enhance a player's grade. The more that he can do, the better off he is for us. That was what I was familiar with. The system that they had before, I didn't necessarily have a lot of familiarity with what they did because we did transfer it last year. The scouts had to learn (the new system) within two months of the draft last year. This year, they had an entire calendar year to be prepared and to really let that sink in. We have basically what amounts to training tapes to try to describe exactly what that grade means so the personnel department, Brian (Xanders), has done a great job getting the scouts really ready to go in understanding (the grading system). The board last year, we had to shuffle a lot because they were kind of in the middle of learning our system and still kind of using the old one. We got it to where we needed to get it the week of the draft. This year we had our board ready to go in terms of the initial look of it by January. I think that gives you three, four months to really nail down exactly where you want it. A lot of credit goes to those people that did that because we started at a much better place this year than we did last year."
On the size of the Broncos' draft board
"We haven't counted the whole number as of now, but I think there's a little bit more depth on this years' board than there was last year. A lot of the juniors that came out really kind of pumped up certain positions and made this a deeper draft at some places that maybe it wouldn't necessarily have been. I don't have a number in my head right now, but from a numbers standpoint I think the board will look a little bit different, a little bit fuller than it was last year."
On the progress of second-year Broncos LB/DE Robert Ayers
"We are in year two. I know this-He is doing a great job in our offseason program. He has a great attitude and he understands the role we hope he play this year on our football team and I think he really wants to meet us right where he is at. Like I said, we drafted what we felt were good quality players that fit out system and what we want to do with them. We are going to continue to coach them and get them to where we think they can be."
On the status of Broncos TE Tony Scheffler
"I don't necessarily know what is going to happen with that. I know there has been some teams that have called about him. Obviously there is nothing imminent regarding that. He is one of the RFAs that have signed their tenders. (Quarterback) Kyle (Orton) signed his; (Guard) Chris (Kuper) signed his, so we will see what happens. We have no timeline or necessarily a concrete plan on what is going to happen with that. We are going to let that play out."
On if he is aware that the Bengals may have interest in acquiring Scheffler
"We have not talked to the Bengals, I can say that."
On the CBA affecting Broncos LB/DE Elvis Dumervil's status
"I know that is a frustrating situation for all of us. We are looking at a place right now in the league where there is some uncertainty for us going forward. I think that is holding up some things on a lot of teams and in a lot of organizations. I think that is part of the whole entire thing. We are thrilled with Elvis Dumervil's season last year and excited to have him back and looking forward to his production continuing on for years. As of right now, I know he is working hard in Miami, he stays in touch with (Defensive Coordinator) (Don) Wink (Martindale) and I think we will all be excited when he is back. It is what it is and other than that there isn't much to talk about."
On Dumervil waiting through the contract process
"I am not frustrated with Elvis. Like I said, I totally understand Elvis' position and I am not upset about it at all. I respect whatever he chooses to do, I respect that. I think he has a great deal of respect and admiration within this building. Everybody feels the same way about Elvis Dumervil, and it is something that time will play out and we will see how it goes. This isn't something that is a negative towards Elvis Dumervil."
On if the Broncos' offense has enough toughness
"That is a great question. I hope so. I think that kind of plays out in training camp. We talk about the OTAs that we are getting ready to have starting in May as the time where you can really begin the competitive part of your evaluations of the players and you are also throwing a lot of scheme at them to get that part of the system going. The toughness part, I think you built that in training camp. You don't have pads on in the spring and I don't think it is fair for me to say in April that our team is going to be this tough or that tough come September. I know this-The way that they are working in the offseason program is incredible. We have had a great turnout and the enthusiasm and energy is awesome. We have changed our offseason program quite a bit, and I think the players are excited about the new things that we are doing and there is a goal in mind of getting bigger, faster, stronger. They have embraced that entire thing and all of us have work to do in that regard. It is not just physical toughness, it is mental toughness, it is handling adversity, it's bouncing back from a loss. There are a lot of things that we can do better as a group and that starts with us. We will find out more about that as training camp comes along."
On if he wasn't satisfied with the toughness last year
"I think there are certain things you can talk about. The toughness of your football team comes from your coverage units and your ability to run the football and stop the run. There were times last year that we were very good in those areas and there were times that we weren't. Statistics don't lie to you in that regard, but there is other types of toughness and we have to respond to some of the situations we put ourselves in last year and do a little better in terms of bouncing back."
On if the Broncos need more depth at guard
"I think that is something that could be addressed. It is an interesting area of the draft. There are some players that have played tackle that are being projected at guard. There are some players that played center that are projected as a guard. You have to make a choice based on what you see on film and arm length and getting out of their stance and all the rest of it, on how deep you think the actual guard spot is or are some of those players actually in another column. There is never an over-abundance of those type of players in a draft and this year is no different. You certainly would love to address an inside spot in there to add some competition to would definitely be something that we would be interested in."
On if he will address the tackle position in the draft
"I think we feel very comfortable with our tackles. Obviously. it was unfortunate that (tackle) Ryan (Harris) had the injury last year, but his rehab is coming along wonderfully and he has a great attitude about it. He is one of the first people I see here every morning. He is dedicated and determined to come back at full strength and be ready to go this season. (Tackle) Tyler (Polumbus) obviously played a lot of football for us last year. We have a lot of players who have played a lot of snaps here. The interesting thing about the tackles is that sometimes the run starts and doesn't stop until they are out and it happens early. So usually if you are going to end up with one of those guys at the top of the boards you are going to have to do it quick and that is a decision you are going to have to make. I would say with our situation as it currently stands, we feel comfortable with the players we have as far as the starting role and we will see how the draft unfolds. You don't pass up a really, really talented player if there is nobody that you feel better about, but I don't think that is necessarily a direction we are trying to go early in the draft."
On the Broncos evaluating quarterback draft prospects
"We talked to a number of quarterbacks at the combine. We had Tim (Tebow) in the other day, and obviously it is a situation where there is a player that you feel very good about going about going forward. Whether it is a quarterback or another position, we are not going to turn our head away just because we have three players at the position on the roster. We have three capable players. That is what we feel like. The competition right now is intense and those guys are really working at it. They are improving each other, which is great. But again, we are not going to overlook any position. We feel like we are deep in a lot of positions on our team, but that doesn't mean we aren't going to draft a player to add him to the mix."
On the Broncos evaluating running back draft prospects
"Same thing. We have evaluated a bunch. (Running back) J.J. (Arrington) is really working hard to get himself ready to go and be back to where he was because we were excited about that possibility last year, but it didn't work out because of the leg injury. We are excited about what he is doing and he is excited to be here. (Running backs) Bruce Hall and Lance Ball, they are both two young kids that we feel good about and if you look at the board and you aren't going to get one high, which I don't think is high on our radar, then you have to look at it and weight it and say, "OK, is this guy that we are going to bring in able to beat out one of those two young kids?" We have some young guys that we like, we like some of the things they can do, they are both smart. I think that is always a question in your mind, you don't want to make a selection in the third or fourth round and say we are going to be deciding to cut this player because you certainly want him to be on your roster."
On Stanford running back Toby Gerhart
"He is a player that you have to look at. We had (Montario) Hardesty in from Tennessee, we had (Clemson running back C.J.) Spiller in. We have had a lot of backs in and again if it is the right situation for your team and you feel comfortable with it. The reason you do all that is because you don't know who is going to be there in the second or third round. If it is a position where you say you were wiped out at that position or wiped out here, but that guy is going to make our team better than you better have done your work. His visit was pretty good. He is a pretty neat kid and impressed everyone here."
On if the Broncos upgrading their defensive line in free agency affects their draft strategy at that position
"I don't think so. That is a position (defensive line) that there is some depth to this year's draft. We have three experienced guys-everyone else will call them old-that we added to the front seven, but we have a bunch of young players right behind them that played a ton of football last year. What we wanted to do is blend some experience with the youth that played six or seven hundred snaps last year and started 14 to 16 games. (Defensive linemen) Ronald Fields, Ryan McBean, Le Kevin Smith played. We have a lot of people. (Defensive lineman) Marcus Thomas has played a bunch of games in his career, so we have a lot of depth there in terms of youth and our decision is going to be is that player going to make a significant impact in our front seven immediately, which means is he going to be able to play early or is he going to be better than the youth behind those guys. If we like there is a guy there and there is some depth this year at end and at nose, depending on who you talk to and how you evaluate them. There are some players that we would be interested in in the front seven on the first two days."
On if the team would move back in the draft to select "front seven" players
"I think we would. We would be interested in taking a player at that position if he is going to be that kind of player, there is no question. I think the thing would be what is the trade off. What is the trade? How far are you going? Can you still get that player where you are going or is that out of the question or are there other players in that tier that you feel good about if you have to go a little further? And obviously the compensation would have to be right, but you don't ever turn away a player in the front seven."
On fans being upset at star players getting traded
"And I understand that. But I would say this, that we're trying to build a football team that can be competitive for championships. That doesn't mean that those two players couldn't have helped us, but I think that we're trying to build an entire team that is going to win in different ways -- unselfish, smart, versatile, tough, those kind of things. For different reasons those players are not here, let's be honest. We're trying to do that. We haven't made the playoffs recently. We obviously haven't finished the season well. We didn't finish it well this year. We're trying to get better, we're trying to improve this team, we're trying to create a roster full of guys that feel the same way and their ultimate goal is to win a championship. That's what we're committed to doing."
On Alabama LB Rolando McClain's health
"I've had experience with a player on a team in New England that also had that (Crohn's disease). I've had two friends of mine that have had that and battled that before. We think it's a low-risk type of a situation. It's a situation where if you're taking your medication, if you're doing the right things, if you're not eating the wrong kinds of foods, those kind of things, you can keep the flare-ups to a very minimal basis. I think that everybody kind of feels the same way about that. We talked to him about it the other day. He's got his under control and he feels comfortable with where he's at, which is the most important thing. Our doctors and medical people are familiar with that whole situation, and we feel like that is not a reason not to draft Rolando McClain."
On Tennessee DL Dan Williams
"He's a big, athletic player. Obviously he has played inside at nose, really, for the most part at Tennessee. But the thing we think about Dan is that he's got what we would say a play radius that's a little different than some noses, meaning he can make tackles over there on the sideline. We've kind of gone back and forth on it. (He) could even play end because he's that athletic. He's an athletic player who has really had one solid year of production, which always is something you take a look at. But he's a good kid. We had a good visit with him here, we also worked him out at Tennessee. We've done our work and our research on him, and he's a player that I think is going to go probably somewhere right around where we pick, there's no question about it. But we do have an interest in Dan Williams. He is a good player, he is a good kid and we think that that would be a possibility."
On whether any other prospects wowed him when he met with them
"Sean Weatherspoon, the linebacker from Missouri, was very impressive. He's a bright kid. Every way -- name it and he was impressive. His knowledge of his system, his ability to retain our system, his interaction with our coaches. That was great. (Rolando) McClain, obviously I talked about him, Dan Williams-We've had quite a few. (Florida QB Tim) Tebow, you mentioned Tebow, he's everything that you guys have ever read or written about a player like that. He was extremely impressive."
On if the team had Notre Dame QB Jimmy Clausen at the facility
"No, we did not. We talked to him at the combine. He's a good kid. I'm very familiar with him, obviously, based on some connections that I had at Notre Dame."
On whether Florida QB Tim Tebow will be successful in the NFL
"No question. You look at the tape, and the only thing that you can say about the tape that isn't flattering or very impressive is that he dips the ball a hair. He has already fixed that. I think that's something that you can fix through repetition. He's already done it. He proved that at his pro day. Everything else that you're watching on film is accurate, tough, smart, good leader, versatile, can move out of the pocket, can move in the pocket, can run with the ball. This guy scored... What is he, the third-leading passer all-time and the leading scorer in rushing touchdowns over Herschel (Walker)? There are so many things that you can say about the kid. Then, to top that all off, he's every bit the person that you read about before you got the chance to meet him. He's very enthusiastic, wants to work hard, smart, bright, one of the smarter players I've ever been around in terms of coming out of college."
On whether the team would draft Tebow
"Does it sound like it? I'll tell you, I don't think you rule anything out. You certainly don't rule out adding a player with all of those traits and qualities to your football team if you feel like at the spot that you're picking that it fits you. Again, he's one of those kids where there's nothing really you can say that's bad about him."
On how quickly Tebow can be a starting quarterback in the NFL
"If you talk to him, it'll be the day he's drafted. But I don't know that. That's a good question. I think it depends on where he goes, the system he's going into, what you're trying to do with him and also who's there. He's got to compete. If he was here, he's got to compete with players that have already played in the National Football League and started a lot of games and won games. There are situations where he could go into where maybe that's not necessarily the case, I don't know, but I think that would all depend on where he goes and where he ends up."
On how his approach differs entering his second year as a head coach
"I feel like I have one year of experience. That's what it is at this position. I've been able to now evaluate our performance instead of just putting into place what I had experienced in the past. I think that that's why we're going to be different than a place that I've been before because we're not doing it somebody else's way. We have our own experience, our own successes and failures to look back on and say we've got to do some of those things differently to get a different result or to get a different reaction. We've tweaked the offseason program considerably, and that was a group decision. How we're running the entire offseason in terms of our staff is different than we did last year. Our staff is doing a great job of managing the offensive system and the defensive system, and then I kind of get caught up as we go. Last year, I was in basically most if not all of those meetings myself. That has allowed all of our staff to kind of come together and contribute a little bit more. That has been great. (General Manager) Brian (Xanders) has done a great job of understanding the scouting system, the personnel and the free agent market, and again, last year we were trying to implement a little bit of a different system then they had ever experienced before. That was a lot smoother."
On how his approach differs on draft day with the new format
"I don't think draft day is going to be a lot different for us. I'll say the difference is going to be between day one and day two. Instead of rolling into the second round as we did last year, we'll have a lot of time on our hands, as will everyone else, to sit there and look and say, like I said earlier, 'I can't believe that so-and-so is still on the board right now.' There's probably going to be a couple of those players for each team. Our board is obviously different than everybody else's, and their's are different than ours. I think we're all going to be sitting there looking at that late that first night, saying, 'Is this something that we want to consider doing because we can't believe that guy is still on the board.' I think our initial first day, it will be pretty much the same. We're going to have our plan ready to go for if we pick 11, we pick 11. If we pick later, we pick later, and we'll have our guys ready to go in that order. I would assume by draft day we would already have some phone calls... 'If our guy is there, we'll be interested,' that kind of thing. You throw out some hypothetical scenarios so that you can just put them into action quickly if the scenario kind of plays out the way the other team wants it. But I think the biggest change for us is going to be from day one to day two and all the interaction that takes place there and how aggressive you choose to be, because you do have a lot more time. The draft is the same, it's just broken up differently. I think time is always something that makes people think a little bit more about what's left. There are quite a few teams, I'd say, we're one of them, obviously, that have multiple second-round selections. So it will be interesting to see what happens and how flexible other people want to be, moving down or moving up. We're one of the teams that obviously has some flexibility to try to move up if we choose."
On whether the team has been given monetary restrictions this draft
"Are we operating on some kind of a budget, like we do every year? Yes. But there has been absolutely no change in that philosophy this year from last year or, in my understanding, any year prior. There has been no change in that."
On whether the pay scale will look the same at the top of the first round as it did in previous years
"Yes. I think the interesting thing is going to be a little bit of the uncertainty going forward in terms of the next so-many years. Right now we're just going to kind of go through it with a little bit of caution. There's no restrictions on us. There's no different restrictions on us than there would be on any other team, period."
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Awesome Stuff!
This will certainly settle some disputes…
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Things I noticed
1. We want to move back, but not at the risk of losing out on the players we have at the top of our draft board (Pouncey, Weatherspoon)
2. He is interested in drafting a guard.
3. He is not looking at running back in the first 2 rounds
4. He was very very complimentary of Tim Tebow and Sean Weatherspoon
5. He said he wouldn’t not draft McClain because of Chron’s
6. He stuck up for Dez Bryant when most people are criticizing him
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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by Nick Cast on Apr 16, 2010 6:21 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm strongly thinking
it’s a smokescreen
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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I suspect everything he said was a smokescreen.
Although I like what he said about Bryant and would like to see the Broncos take him. I think he’s made some mistakes, and those mistakes have been blown way out of proportion.
Doubt it
You’ve got to watch it. I don’t mean that to sound sarcastic or dismissive, just that nobody’s that good of an actor, IMO. He didn’t give up too much where somebody could really use it against him, I don’t think (although there are certain situations that might come to mind), he just gave a lot of insight on the way he approaches and prepares for the draft. At the very least, after watching it, I think we all at least understand his basic strategy a lot better.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Right.
I gather that he wants 7 or 8 first round picks. ;) Gotta admire that!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Seems like he was being too diplomatic doesn't it.
He had good words about all of them and one that really stuck out at me was Sean Weatherspoon, but then again he talked more about McClains football intelligence. Does that mean anything? I don’t know and I’m no pyschologist to figure out things like that.
We all know
coaches lie through their teeth this time of year, but I think he did a good job of not tipping his hand but giving a few hints
I think McClain and Dez are smokescreens, but I could be wrong
He wouldn’t come out and be like, Dez has a character issue or McClain’s Chron’s scares me off.
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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Yeah
It’s in our best interest for all prospects to great in his opinion. I think he lookin to trade back and today he said all the right things to keep other teams interest up
by BillBert11 on Apr 16, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yeah
today, I think he made it clear that Denver has no problems staying at 11 and picking so a team needs to offer up some “fair compensation”
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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It would be nice to have this scheffler trade taken care of before the draft too
so that we have that extra pick to move with if we gotta move up from one of the second round picks…
I think it will def be settled before draft day
McD knows that he could use the draft pick. Even if Scheffler is moved for a 5th round pick. It’s still an extra pick.
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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He'll get better than a 5th
Even if your a McD hater you gotta admit he kills it at trading for draft picks… He trades a 1st round qb for two firsts a third and orton and trades hillis and a sixth for another 1st round QB. And even the Marshall deal was 1 round and an extra second than the next best WR deal of the offseason
I am def not a McD hater
I like what he is doing. He definitely gets the most out of the trades. Best case scenario is a 2nd rounder. worst case is a 6th. likely gonna be a 3rd-4th
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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This will probably
be his first trade where he doesn’t get the same round or better than the player he is trading since he he took over. I’m guessing a third but wouldn’t be too surprised to see a brandon marshall type deal with two thirds one this year and one next
that would be a very impressive haul
I’m hoping for a third, but thinking it will be a 4th. I know he said they hadn’t talked to Cincy, but with Cincy having 2 picks in the 3rd and 2 picks in the 4th, I think Cincy gives us a 4th
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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4th wouldn't surprise me but supposedly three teams are involved
and I wouldn’t be surprised if the Broncs sneakily are hoping to land gresham in the late first… While McD was with the pats they drafted two TE’s in the first round right? watson and grahm
where is the report that say so many teams are involved?
If Broncos draft Gresham, there will be a lot of really pissed off people lol
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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Isn't that always the case lol
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Will-Tony-Scheffler-be-a-Bengal-soon.html
Gresham would be a nice way to make up for marshall’s possession recieving duties
lol soooo true
If we get Gresham I would be so confused. We primarily use blocking tight ends. If we needed a receiving tight end then we would just keep Scheffler.
Thanks for the article. I would think the Bengals, Eagles, and Texans maybe?
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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yeah teams will give him 2nds for 1st ALL DAY ...lol?
I know what you mean but there’s been bad and good. Let’s let McX show us a bit more before praising him too much?
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 7:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Wasn't it reported that...
McClain does not have Chron’s Disease?
that's what i thought too...anyone with clarification??
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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According to Charlie Casserly on NFLN. Said McClain’s mother has it but he has never had an occurance of it which is strange because I thought McClain had admitted to it recently. Bad reporting on someones part. No chance of him falling to Pats now but it was unlikely anyway.
Hm
so who lied that is the question…is that you in your picture?
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ohhh okay that makes more sense lol
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He also said that McClain's camp had sent the new test results to every team
It all starts with the lines
From the Horses mouth
"I got diagnosed with Crohn’s disease my freshman year of high school. I was in the hospital for like two weeks, lost like 60 pounds, and was diagnosed with Crohn’s disease," McClain said. "Coach (Nick) Saban knows about it, my training staff knows about it. I take four or five pills a day from (doctors). I give a lot of my success to them. They’ve done a great job of managing it and helped me get through a lot of games and a lot of tough practices."
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I've got a sneaking suspicion...One of these two will be the 11th pick if we don't trade down.
Like you said, Rolando McClain, Dez Bryant and we’ve had a number of other players in here who are going to be picked right around where we pick. We’re going to finalize that process in the next couple of days because we have to have a plan for if we are picking at 11, what’s going to happen."
McDaniels also stated that odds are they might trade down!
“I’d say there’s probably a better chance (moving down) will be the case, but I wouldn’t rule out if there were a certain player that we felt that strongly about – it’s not out of the question. I think we’ll be flexible and we’ll listen but there are a lot of other teams that are still trying to put together their plans and priorities so once we see how that is all going to unfold we’ll make that decision but I think the odds would be in favor of us moving backwards probably because the most opportunity lies there.”
And no tackles
except maybe for depth late in the draft, for those of you who mocked one at #11.
maybe that's exactly where we'll go then!
Believe me we learned very little today.
I Loved what he said about our young RBs hope for our youth there sounds fantastic!
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 7:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I liked this one
It really says alot about the draft and the players selected last year.
“We don’t necessarily guess on rounds in which a player will be selected. We grade every player that’s eligible for the draft in terms of their fit for our football team regardless of what everybody else thinks of them. To me, that’s the beauty of what we have. It doesn’t matter what Oakland thinks of him, or San Diego, or Jacksonville or somebody else. For us, he is a blank… A second-year starter at outside linebacker (for example). It’s very detailed and very descriptive. It takes a lot of things into consideration and we always look at it on a two-year scale because we understand that rookies, when they come in that first year, have a lot to learn and to be able to get up to speed and play at this level, sometimes it takes them a full year. We always look at it on a two-year projection and where he’s going to be at after two years. At that point, we project him as a starter, as a key backup, as a core special teams player and versatility is obviously taken into consideration because that can enhance a player’s grade. The more that he can do, the better off he is for us.
I think it would be safe to say that we will know after training camp on how they (and I stress they) will evaluate the draft last year.
We've talked about this extensively and I agree with him on this.
Being afraid to take a player at a certain spot, say 11 when the all the guru’s in the world say he is rated at 25 isn’t going to help your team with that position’s need if you all of a sudden take the BPA. Take the guy and hope for the best.
absolutely.
smart move is try to move safely down and when that fails to work out – as per the norm …you take the top guy on your board regardless of the common opinion of his value there. One man’s 25 is another man’s 11.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions
Seven Thoughts:
1. Sounds to me like our big board will have us taking McClain, Bryant, or Dan Williams (in that order) if we’re foced to choose at #11.
2. Sounds to me that moving back to an area where a few targeted prospects in a specific tier could likely be had is the most likely and desirable outcome.
3. Sean Weatherspoon impressed McDaniels more than Rolando McClain. This guy is a Bronco in the middle of the round.
4. Tim Tebow could be a Bronco at the begin of round-two.
5. We’ll not be taking Trent Williams or an OT early on like so many of you debated.
6. We’ll not be targeting running backs in the first couple rounds, but if Gerhart falls to the third (or late 2nd), he’s ours. If Modeso falls into round-three he’s ours.
7. Two things surprised me: Tebow’s absolute glowing endorsement and just how often I’m right in my perceptions =)!!
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
I couldn't agree more with you elvis
Every single point you made I agree.
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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Alex I know you're not dining on all that BAIT Josh threw out there for the sharks??!!
All seven points may be right… they’re along the lines of what any sportscaster/blogger my have us targeting..,
BUT BROTHA PLEASE!!
Coach DID NOT show his hand today.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions
I like HCMcD…but I seriously don’t believe a word that comes out of his mouth. If he says we’re trading back then we’re probably trading up. Unless he thinks that we think he’s telling us he’ll trade back because he’s trading up and so he’s says he’s trading back because he’s standing pat…or trading back. But surely he knew that I’d know that by saying he was going to trade back I’d know he was planning on trading back rather than up so he actually did say he was trading back because he actually IS trading up.
I’ve got you all figured out HCMcD!!!
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 16, 2010 7:11 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
hahah makes perfect sense to me
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Exactly ...Friday Morning Bradford could be grinning from behind a shiny new Denver cap!
There are things that might piss me off but not too many that would really surprise me.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions
PNb I have an idea we'll be analysing this presser come Sunday morning.
I am curious too to how much was BS and how much us truth…Just to set the bar of how much we can or can’t believe him. I’ll see you soon…This ain’t over…
Ok, now I get it.....thanks.
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ur post reminds me of...
Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders – The most famous of which is “never get involved in a land war in Asia” – but only slightly less well-known is this: “Never go against McD when the draft is on the line”! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha…
Exactly what I was thinking.
I can clearly not choose the wine in front me…..You’ve given everything away. I know where the poison is.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I honestly dont think he cares....he is so confident in his and Dr X abilities that he is happy to share info!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
And that probably has to do with 50-60 first round prospects.
Like he said some teams are going to be surprised that a player is still on the board at their time of selection…I bet McX could have 11 players on his big board that they aren’t afraid to take at #11 without batting an eye. Sure there will be a player or two that they will be disappointed that he isn’t there, but it won’t negate the plan…
This strikes me as potentially important regarding visits:
There might be certain things we need to know about some players that we already know about others. It might be a thing where we want to put them on our board again.
That sounds like visits were used for guys that they weren’t entirely sold on. Does that mean that there are guys that they were already sold on that didn’t visit?
Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector
by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 16, 2010 7:20 PM MDT reply actions
If a lie is a lie when a lie is a lie...is a lie really a lie?
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Yes.
Now guess if I’m lying.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
or is he lying to make me think he isn't lying so therefore he isn't lying
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Well, I'd tell you the truth.... but at this point the truth is clouded in lies.
If your truth is a lie, is it a truth or a lie?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions
it's a lie and that's the truth!
or is it?
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
False..... it's the MF truth!
And that ain’t no lie.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
.....well played sir....well played
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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That's Inconceivable!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I do not think you know what that word means whe you use it.... ;)
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Hahaha.
I’m watching the Princess Bride right now! Mawage, is what bwings us togetha today
Hey, at least one of my Bronco teams can Hoist a championship trophy this year! Fiesta bowl champs 2010! woohoo!
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 16, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
True lies
The visits are sincere; the potential interest is real. What that ultimately leads to is a mystery. Just because we bring in someone but don’t draft him doesn’t mean it was all a smokescreen.
by Broncologist on Apr 16, 2010 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of...
…that there might be contenders that weren’t brought in at all— that they learned all they needed to know on tape and at Combine interviews.
This is my I-really-like-Iupati wishful thinking speaking.
Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector
by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 16, 2010 8:09 PM MDT up reply actions
I took most of the visitors last year and I see no reason for it to change.
I believe he laid out the first and second day’’s targets. We;ll see though if he is telling the truth.
Or Demtyrius Thomas!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
He did talk about
arm length when asked about OG. Iupati is a possibility
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Agreed
And it’s been mentioned here before. If McX are sold on a player just from watching film, then they could be drafted without ever paying the Broncos a visit.
The guys that get invited are the question marks. McX has a list of guys they need to get more information on in order to determine if they ought to be considered in beng drafted.
That’s how Bruton and McBath were selected last year – film was enough.
PS. He mentioned some juniors coming out early and it makes me hopeful that he takes Thomas:
We haven’t counted the whole number as of now, but I think there’s a little bit more depth on this years’ board than there was last year. A lot of the juniors that came out really kind of pumped up certain positions and made this a deeper draft at some places that maybe it wouldn’t necessarily have been. I don’t have a number in my head right now, but from a numbers standpoint I think the board will look a little bit different, a little bit fuller than it was last year.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
On what McD actually said
“I know. You know that I know. I know that you know, we know that Henry Knows and Henry know we know it. We’re a knowledgeable family”
The Lion in Winter, Act II
What I’m really enjoying is that this is right out of Princess Bride. Everything either is or isn’t a smokescreen, except for the things too banal to even qualify. I thought it was great, and I’m no closer to any conclusions than I was. Sure was interesting, though
It all starts with the lines
by Doc Bear on Apr 16, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Very interesting and a little more knowledge of what we don't know about McDaniels.
By Sunday we will have a clear picture of which is smoke and which is fire…
Try watching the presser
while watching the princess bride…lol. good stuff
Hey, at least one of my Bronco teams can Hoist a championship trophy this year! Fiesta bowl champs 2010! woohoo!
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 16, 2010 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
who was it who recently listed a number of guys who were drafted by teams they didn't visit....
Sorry I remember your story, that’s more important , right?
Anyway, there are other ways of learning about a guy …it’s a decent smokescreen for what might be a known commodity…
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 16, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Very intreresting caochspeak regarding LB!
He’s high on Spoon, and that makes me happy :)
The draft next Thursday is a must watch now….not like it wasn’t before. I think alot depends on whether we are able to trade down or not.
He seems to be of the school of thought that Chron’s is not something that will define the draft, at the same time talking up Spoon. I wouldn’t be sad if we got either one.
Tebow is another story….If he’s available sometime after the 3rd round then maybe.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
The spoon and doom defense does have a nice ring to it
just sayin… I’m also patenting that just in case any of you get any ideas
haha i like that!
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Spoon & Doom
I like it!
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
At least with spoon it is mutual. He seemed excited on his twitter about his denver visit.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 7:36 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree.
McD sang his praises in the press conference, so obviously he’d have no problem picking him. Spoon raved about his visit and even took all kinds of pictures and posted some on his twitter. Dawk’s locker got him excited. Of course, I don’t blame him…..
It would be a perfect fit. Coach likes him, he likes coach. Spoon likes the team, the fans like spoon. Everybody just seems to get along and that’s not even taking into account that the dude is a pretty darn good football player, as well.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus i'll get to use my nickname
that might just make our linebacking corps a force to be reconed with especially if ayers steps up in year two
Love Spoon
Hopefully both he and McClain is available, then we can trade down a bit and possibly still get him. Giants are definitely going to take one or the other depending on what we do.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 16, 2010 8:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Which probably means..
He will get stolen from us by some horrible team
Hey, at least one of my Bronco teams can Hoist a championship trophy this year! Fiesta bowl champs 2010! woohoo!
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 16, 2010 10:01 PM MDT up reply actions
How about an Eli Manning-esque refusal to play anywhere but Denver?
Boom! Solution!
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
You mean Elwayesque?
Manning cried…while elway just said the colts coach was a douch and he wouldn’t play for him. I’ll take the Elway protest….but YES!!
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by Welcome2Boise on Apr 16, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
haha, yes. That's a good point.
Spoon doesn’t cry.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 16, 2010 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions
So
If his top three players are Bryant, McClain and Williams and they are all 3 available at #11 probably he’ll move down. Since most mocks that I’ve seen have all 3 on the board at #11 its very possible. Just basing it on what he said. The question is how far and how much of a drop off the second tier of players is from the first?
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Williams goes at 12
McClain goes at 15
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
A few more questions I wish were asked
I want to know about weigh-ins of current players. Specifically, I’m wondering if WW has put on any weight and also Kenny McKinley (sp?).
I also wanted to hear thoughts on Pouncey v Tennant.
It also would have been nice to see if anything could have been gained by asking if we’re more interested in a field-stretcher or a big target possesion receiver.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
This is so far reaching that It'll never happen BUT
My dream draft:
Denver Trades 11 (1250) and 114 (66) (Total 1316) for 17 (950) and 49 (410) (Total 1360)
Denver now has five picks in the first three rounds:
17.
43.
45.
49.
80.
Denver trades picks 43 (480) and future 2nd round pick (~300) (Total 780) to the New England Patriots for pick 22 (780).
Denver selects
17. Sean Weatherspoon, LB
22. Maurice Pouncey, C
45. Damien Williams, WR
49. Jacoby Ford, WR
80. Toby Gerhart or Tim Tebow
We fill our biggest needs at C and LB and have two potential WRs and a KR specialist in Ford. Gerhart can be the bruiser in the backfield or we can take a chance on Tebow in the 3rd (I’d be really good with that).
Seriously this is a wish list of epic proportions, but a man can dream.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
I know, I know
I completely ignored the defense.
49 could also be Dunlap, Aluala, or Houston to strengthen the D line.
at 183 we take Dennis Pitta or Clay Harbor
And we take the punter everyone is so high on in the 7th.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
You have a defesive player there
I just think 49 is too high for Ford and neither Toby or Tebow make it to 80 Alualu at 49 and Ford at 80
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
That make sense
So you’re basically saying
1.1 Weatherspoon, LB
1.2 Pouncey, C
2.1 D. Williams, WR
2.2 Alualu, DE
3.1 Ford, WR/KR/PR
Let me ask you this 3nS, because I like your insight, if Gerhart or Tebow is there at 80 do you take them over Ford?
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
I like this.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I don't think it's crazy to think we'd move both back in the first round, then also move in with our 2nd rounder
It would cost more than that, though. This draft is as deep as next year’s is shallow. The Juniors all came out to get paid before the new rookie cap, so there won’t be as many seniors next year and there won’t be as many juniors that want to jump ship early once the cap is in place.
Plus, when you consider trading a future pick, the rule of thumb is that the value is decreased by 20% off the bat. So if the trade value chart says next year’s pick is worth 400, it would be worth about 320. Then when you consider this draft’s depth v next year’s lack of depth, a team might drop another 10% (at least). So that’s 288. On top of that, by initiating the trade you generally lose about 5% to 10%. So that puts the pick at around 275 where the value chart says 400.
I still think we could easily move into the 1st round from 43 or 45, but it would more likely be late 1st round rather than the middle.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Yeah
I tried to make it seem like it was possible with point values, but I know how unlikely it is.
Would be amazing though.
Why does Madden suck at ranking the Broncos so much?
If it is that deep..............
Do we trade a couple of next years picks to get more picks in the fitst 2-3 rounds this year? I think that would be awesome, I am against moving up but moving down or trading next years picks to get more picks this year is a great plan.
C'mon draft! I am ever the optimist! What a fun time of year!
Well yes and no
We straight got raped on last year’s trade of 2010’s first-rounder for 2009’s second-rounder. The value of the pick we used for Phonz was 530. The value of the pick we got in return is 1100. Even if Phonz makes the pro-bowl next year, it’s hard to see McDaniels pulling a trigger like that again. So, I don’t see any likelihood of ever trading a 1st for a 2nd again. Once bitten twice shy and all that stuff.
However, that doesn’t mean I think McDaniels will shy away from spending next year’s extra second-rounder in a different manner. In fact, I would almost count on it.
Coach repeated multiple times after last year’s draft that he made sure we had one pick in every round for the 2010 draft (it was later that we traded our 5th to Boston). He was making the point that he didn’t mortgage our future. He’ll likely make the same point this year after trading next year’s 2nd rounder, and he’ll be justified in making the trade, so long as he doesn’t lose over 500 value points again (the value lost equals a full 2nd rounder by itself).
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Next year picks are valued differently
They are considered to be in the middle of the round and to have half the value at the time of the trade because they are in the future.
So “raped” is a little harsh considering at the moment of the trade the pick was actually worth less than 530 points.
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I'm on board with that list
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by azbroncomaniac on Apr 16, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Spoon will make it past the Giants....just a gut feeling.
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
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"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
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Linebackers do tend to fall
It’s not at all inconceivable that both McClain and Spoon are there when the Giants pick.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
I am still wondering if Seth Olsen can play center. If so I would love to draft John Jerry in the 2nd and put him next to Ryan Clady!!!!
John Jerry – 6’5" 328lbs
Ryan Clady – 6’5" 329lbs
McD
Pretty much said he needs to draft a Center
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Basically he said they needed depth at center for competition, but that might be smoke to throw others off of Pouncey too.
Or maybe he has worked out Dustin Fry and Seth Olsen and feels somewhat comfortable that they can compete for the starting job. It’s funny that he won’t come out and say it like he did with Orton being the starting. That would give us something to at least guage the situation…LOL
BEEF!
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SPOON.
He will be our Ray Lewis for the next 15 years. Except he won’t, you know, be an accessory to murder.
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"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
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i've been saying that exact thing!
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by neckbeard's nephew on Apr 17, 2010 2:19 AM MDT up reply actions
Is it odd or is it just me that the Center position really wasn't talked about?
Or did I miss something in my drunken stupor?
Just this
Obviously I think there’s a need and a desire for us to add competition at the center position. That’s an obvious one.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
That means he's drafting Pouncey =)
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
That was an interesting comment by McD...
“add competition at the center position”. He didn’t say they needed an immediate starter…but one to come in for depth and competition. Just like Kyle Orton has to do with Quinn and Brandstater. I mocking Matt Tennant in the 3rd. I believe he would take Pouncey if he was the one left at the time of pick, but I don’t think he will jump at him…Just saying centers usually aren’t picked too high.
If he picks McClain he's had medical advice that should be reported as quackery to the board of medical examiners.
No way should a medical expert say McClain is an acceptable risk for this team. Fire your medical consultants for someone who has a clue.
Imagination is more important than knowledge. A. Einstein
Ok
So he should not draft McClain because you are a doctor and you think you know more then the the Broncos medical staff. I doubt you know more. These teams only hire the best of the best. McDaniels straight up said he has personally dealt with 3 people that had this same condition and it never cause any serious issues. The fact that this kid has been playing with this since HS and it has never affected him makes me really not worry. McClain is the best ILB in the draft PERIOD. I love Spoon but he is not on McClains level. McClain has the best instincts and reaction time I have seen out of a ILB in awhile. The kid is just a stud and plays faster then his 40 time which really does not matter for ILB because they will really never run 40 yards straight down the field. Some people above said McD talked up Spoon but he also was glowing about McClain also. I think they are both high on the board but McClain should be 1st. I do not really trust spoons instincts. He tends to over pursue and I do not know about his size being under 240 to play ILB next to DJ. He is not that Thumper that can take on guards like McClain is. Spoon reminds more of DJ.
Nothing personal but last time I checked most people get multiple opinion from doctors because half the time they diagnosis things wrong or treat thing wrong. People would not get 2nd opinions if they trusted doctors
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 17, 2010 1:40 AM MDT up reply actions
It's ok Ponderosa
Let’s just see what McDaniels does, really if anyone truly believes more than about 20% of what McDaniels said, then they really are in fantasy land.
Why would any coach want to show his hand before the draft. This is just fluff, for the fans to debate what he really is trying to say, or try and discover underlying meanings/between the lines. The fact is we are all speculating with about a 10% chance of sucess. I am soo looking forward for the draft to actully start, so there will be no more guessing and us fans will really know.
You're right of course.
Let’s see what really happens and then comment.
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Worth Reading
Frankly, even if he is being 100% unvarnished and candid in every statement, we’ll never know. That’s because there are too many variables that go into the event.
That said, I found the talk on process and all to be enlightening. The player info is not so much different than what we’ve discussed here, so naturally it’s just talk. They answered their questions of the top prospects during the visits, and that’s info we won’t likely know either.
I just like the confidence from McD that he was able to run things according to his plan this year, and he’s comfortable with it. There wasn’t any equivocation – if it sucks, he’ll be firmly on the hook. I don’t think it will suck, though.
by MakeCents on Apr 16, 2010 10:49 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
heh
I read this as him being interested in drafting a tackle at 11, and not McClain/Dez, because it’s the opposite of what he said. :)
Just a couple of small observations.
Josh talked up Bryant and McClain, as well he should have. These are two players potentially available at #11. If you’re looking to sell at that pick, it makes no sense to badmouth what you’re selling. If a car salesman said, “I think this car sucks for me, but I think you should buy it.”, how likely are you to make that purchase?
McClain, himself, made statements about his crohns, and how he’s learned to handle it. Kirk has the quote and link, above. The new second opinions flying around sound like damage control for a falling prospect. There are other players at the position whose skills meet the Broncos’ needs better.
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Acute observation
I read it the same way, especially when coupled with his comment that the odds are good that he’ll be looking to trade down from #11. McD is selling this 1st round pick to a good suitor.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
What a quandary
For the first time since he arrived, it seems like McD was forthcoming and open. Of course, he chose draft week to do so, when every coach in the league turns into a pathological liar. When he is actually forthcoming after a loss when one of his pet projects plays like crap, I’ll believe he’s sincere about something.
You have the right to remain silent. Anything you say will be misquoted and then used against you.
We learned zero from this
All McD did was to gush about every player he was asked about; he also said we’re looking at every position; and he said that the marshall trade hasn’t affected his position as to whom he will take. He said he might be willing to trade down; he might be willing to trade up; he’s fine with staying at 11. About the only thing I feel comfortable about concluding is that we won’t take a RB in the first round.
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What?
I think you and I read different press conferences. This presser was extremely revealing about the guys we’ve had in and what our staff thinks about them.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I believe McX knew way before hand Marshall was going to be traded.
They probably worked on that trade before Marshall ever went to visit Seattle and they have planned around it from the get go. I think we will be surprised this year (knowing in our minds that the OLine needs attention) and see pick we will be wonder if they haven’t lost their minds. The thing is, we don’t know how Dustin fry and Seth Olsen are coming along at center even though he mentioned they are working hard. One of these two may be our starting center for years to come, we don’t know and it becomes problematic because we NEED to know right now! Heh…It’s all about wait and see. Another thing, I’m kind of pumped to see McChesney and how he works out. He is one of the Players of the Decade 2000’s at Colorado. That’s got to mean something. So, we shouldn’t get too upset if the OLine isn’t addressed right away in the draft…
The only think I took away from this
Players are assessed on a 2 year plan because as Rookies they are just starting to learn the system.
For all of you who are hating on how awful our draft was last year and are listing out the busts and terrible trades we made to move up in the draft it sure looks like our head coach realizes that you need to give players two years to figure out if you picked a guy who gets it.
That being said, I think we may possibly have had one of the best drafts in Broncos history. I have said this before that I think that Moreno, Ayers, McBath and Phonz all look like long term players with a chance to become something special and Quinn and McKinley could both become solid long term players for us. Now add in the couple other players that even the most skeptical have said could show up quite a bit this year and, um wow, that is a LOT of success in one draft. Even if only five work out (Moreno, Ayers, McBath, Phonz, and Quinn) which sure seems likely then last year was freaking amazing.
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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by Arimaris on Apr 17, 2010 9:06 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Absolutely Arimaris.
Kids coming out of college don’t excelmright away at the NFL level, very rarely does that happen and they go through a learning process of the system and scheme, plus getting acquainted with their plays. It kills me when I hear people on here talk this rookie and that rookie like they have been coaching NFL football for 30 years. Why that guys’ a bust! We hear it all the time and frankly it get’s old. We try to at least carry a sensable conversation on here, but sometimes it get’s bazzarre…All of the rookies from 2009 need to step it up this year with their performance. DT/NT sometimes take 3-4 years to come around and the watchful eye is upon them in terms of developmental stages that they go through, i.e. where are they at at this moment in time. I look for Phonzy, Ayers, Moreno, McBath and Bruton to step it up this year, but not McBath and Bruton as much as the other three because those positions are taken with Dawkins and Hill. They will be groomed into the positions and fill when the time comes.
The most important thing a coach can do is time the positional transitions with precision and that separates the great coaches from the mediocre ones.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 17, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the article!
This is the most useful information I have seen on here all year! It is good to hear straight from the coach what his feelings and plans are. No speculation, straight facts. Thanks!
I don't think we take mcclain from reading this
it sounds like he was sayiing yea hes a good player blah blah….
more like were not impressed enough to take him at 11 with his low risk
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