Denver Broncos Mock Draft Part 28: Post Marshall Mocking
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:30 PM MDT
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PrintLess than a week before the draft, the Denver Broncos have already shaken up many mocks around the country with the Brandon Marshall trade to Miami.
Marshall's departure from the Broncos leaves the team with the 2nd best slew of picks in the first two rounds, or three in the top 45 (Tampa Bay has three of top 42). The Broncos also are one of only four teams in the draft with four picks in the top 80.
As John pointed out this morning, the Broncos are in a fantastic position to take advantage of what many are calling the most talented draft ever, and within a week there will be a bunch of young names attached to those numbers. The Broncos traded Marshall's production for the potential of the next two drafts, and are in a fantastic position to capitalize.
They must not miss on these high picks.
Based on the short list of prospects the Broncos have brought in, it seems like they are looking at players who can come right in and produce rather than last year where a lot of the prospects were developmental guys who would sit for a year or two while they learned the nuances of the game.
In any case, the 2010 NFL Draft is going to be very fun and eventful for Denver Broncos fans, and here is how it could shake out when all is said and done next Saturday evening.
Before the draft, heck, maybe sooner rather than later, I think the Broncos will send tight end Tony Scheffler out to the Arizona Cardinals for a third round pick. Josh McDaniels indicated at his press conference today that the Broncos have had calls regarding Scheffler, but that the Bengals were not one of those teams who came calling. That doesn't necessarily mean the Bengals won't come calling, but the Broncos have offers, and none from Cincinnati. The Cardinals are in a similar state of need for a tight end, so I think Scheffler is a good option for them with one of their two third round picks.
***TRADE: Broncos trade TE Tony Scheffler to Arizona Cardinals for pick #89***
After the Broncos trade Scheffler, I think their next move will be made in the draft. The 11th overall pick is a very nice asset to have. The Broncos have not worked out many players who are worthy of the 11th overall pick, but they did bring in Alabama inside linebacker Rolando McClain for a visit.
When the draft rolls around, here's how I see the top 10 shaking out:
1. Rams: Sam Bradford, QB, Oklahoma
2. Lions: Ndamukong Suh, DL, Nebraska
3. Bucs: Gerald McCoy, DL, Oklahoma
4. Redskins: Russell Okung, OL, Oklahoma State
5. Chiefs: Bryan Bulaga, OL, Iowa
6. Seahawks: Trent Williams, OL, Oklahoma
7. Browns: Eric Berry, S, Tennessee
8. Raiders: Bruce Campbell, OT, Maryland
9. Bills: Jimmy Clausen, QB, Notre Dame
10. Jaguars: Derrick Morgan, DE, Georgia Tech
Looking at that top 10, the best available prospects according to the guys who have had connections with the Broncos are:
1. ILB Rolando McClain
2. DL Dan Williams
3. WR Dez Bryant
4. OLB Brandon Graham
Each of those players could help the Broncos in a number of ways, both in the present and in the future. I don't see the value in any of them at 11 overall for a number of reasons, so if I'm Josh McDaniels, I would strongly consider trading down. As has been mentioned numerous times around here, the Titans are an obvious team who could be looking to move up based on their need for a defensive end or cornerback.
Another team who might be in even better position to move up in the draft is the New England Patriots, who hold four picks in the top 53 and three in the second round. Patriots beat writer and blogger Mike Reiss over at ESPN indicated he would be surprised if the Patriots stand pat (no pun intended) with all of their second round picks, unlike last year.
Still, I think the Titans could be the Broncos' best bet. It's no question whom the Titans woule be targeting with the 11th pick. They have huge holes both at cornerback as well as defensive end. The Titans would undoubtedly go with either Joe Haden or Brandon Graham here, depending on which position they value higher. I think the player they would likely move up for here would be Haden, the cornerback from Florida. The Broncos and Josh McDaniels in particular indicated their desire to move down in the draft today, so I think this move has a good chance of happening.
***TRADE: Broncos trade pick #11 to Tennessee TItans for pick #16, #77, #222***
This trade puts the Broncos in a fine situation. Not only do they obtain an extra third round pick, they ensure themselves one of their top targets in the first round of this year's draft.
After the Titans select Haden, I foresee the draft shaking out as follows:
11. Titans(from Broncos): Joe Haden, CB, Florida
12. Dolphins: Brandon Graham, OLB, Michigan
13. San Francisco 49ers: C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
14. Seattle Seahawks: Taylor Mays, S, USC
15. New York Giants: Rolando McClain, ILB, Alabama
This would bring the Broncos to another intriguing scenario. The top two players available on Denver's board at the moment, at least according to what Josh McDaniels potentially indicated on Friday, are Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant and Tennessee defensive tackle Dan Williams.
McDaniels confirmed today something I've believed for a while now, and that is that the character concerns of Dez Bryant have been vastly overblown. He said that Bryant is not off of Denver's draft board, and I don't think he's lying. The question is, do the Broncos bypass their biggest need (center) for a wide receiver or a defensive lineman?
That is a question I have had a very difficult time answering in the last couple of weeks. I cannot decide whether or not the Broncos are going to select a wideout in the first round, but I could definitely see it. I think it's also important to note that Denver has Sean Weatherspoon, Tim Tebow, and Maurkice Pouncey high on their draft list. They could again mortgage the 16th overall pick in order to move down one more time.
Despite my initial projection that had the Broncos trading down yet again with Philadelphia who needs Earl Thomas, I think the Broncos make a huge splash here with a storyline that will be watched very closely during and after the draft.
1. With the 16th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Dez Bryant, Wide Receiver, Oklahoma State
Surprise, surprise! Josh McDaniels made it known on Friday evening that this team is legitimately interested in Dez Bryant. I will leave that up to you as to whether or not it was a smokescreen, and it very well could have been, but I severely doubt Josh McDaniels would pass on Bryant twice in this draft. At this pick, Bryant comes a bit cheaper than he would at 11, he fits the description of "best player available", and he fills a big need for the Broncos who have multiple picks to use to move up or down as they need to.
17. 49ers: Earl Thomas, S, Texas
18. Steelers: Dan Williams, DL, Tennessee
19. Falcons: Jason Pierre Paul, DE, USF
20. Texans: Kyle Wilson, CB, Boise State
21. Bengals: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
22. Patriots: Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
23. Packers: Anthony Davis, OL, Rutgers
24. Eagles: Everson Griffen, DE, USC
25. Ravens: Jared Odrick, DE, Penn State
26. Cardinals: Jerry Hughes, DE/OLB, TCU
27. Cowboys: Mike Iupati, OL, Idaho
28. Chargers: Terrence Cody, DL, Alabama
This would be a spot in which we would need to make a jump, and we are in a fantastic position to do so. The Jets don't have a gigantic need at this point, and could easily afford to move down and pick up some extra picks.
***TRADE: Broncos trade pick #45, #80 (670 pts.) to New York Jets for pick #29 (660 pts.)***
2. With the 29th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Maurkice Pouncey, Center, Florida***
This pick would seem, on the surface, to be a no-brainer. The Broncos have a dire need at center, and they make a very necessary and relatively inexpensive move up to go and get him. Pouncey has unlimited potential and can be penciled in as the opening day starter from day one. Great pick here by the Broncos, and a fantastic first round of the draft, addressing two huge needs with players the Broncos have high on their board.
30. Vikings: Devin McCourty, CB, Rutgers
31. Colts: Kareem Jackson, CB, Alabama
32. Saints: Sean Weatherspoon, LB, Missouri
Day Two
The Broncos are in a good position on day two. In this situation, they hold the 11th overall selection in the 2nd round, and could add a number of different players. Let's see how it all shakes out.
33. Rams: Golden Tate, WR, Notre Dame
34. Lions: Jahvid Best, RB, Cal
35. Bucs: Demaryius Thomas, WR, Georgia Tech
36. Chiefs: Jermaine Gresham, TE, Oklahoma
37. Eagles: Patrick Robinson, CB Florida State
38. Browns: Colt McCoy, QB, Texas
39. Raiders: Brian Price, DL, UCLA
40. Chargers: Ryan Matthews, RB, Fresno State
41. Bills: Roger Saffold, OL, Indiana
42. Bucs: Brandon Ghee, CB, Wake Forest
Back on the clock. After acquiring Bryant and Pouncey in the first two rounds, the Broncos are free to select the best player available on their board with this pick. A pick that would be the story of day two of the draft...
3. With the 43rd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
After hearing what Josh McDaniels had to say about Tim Tebow, I'm convinced that our front office is high on the former Florida star. McDaniels seemed confident in Tebow's new throwing motion. He raved about his personality. Essentially, he regurgitaed what I've been saying for months. The Broncos are not committed long term to a quarterback, and Tebow has the chance to be a great one in this league.
This pick is fantastic value, considering Tebow could easily get picked in the first round, and our coaching staff obviously has a lot of faith in this kid.
5. With the 77th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Eric Decker, Wide Receiver, Minnesota
After getting the playmaker in Dez Bryant, the Broncos should look for a possession type receiver to compliment him on the other side. Decker has bear claws for hands, and has been one of the most reliable receivers in college football over the last four years. I think the Broncos would love to add Decker, especially in this slot.
6. With the 89th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Brandon Spikes, ILB, Florida
The Broncos made a surprising move to cut Andra Davis earlier this offseason. Josh McDaniels indicated at his pre-draft press conference that inside linebacker is a position we would like to address at some point in this draft, and Spikes is great value here in the third round. He timed very slow at his Florida pro day, but there's no question about his ability, leadership, and toughness. This would be a nice value pick for the Broncos.
7. With the 114th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Zane Beadles, Guard, Utah
Beadles is a big guard prospect who would provide the Broncos with some much needed depth, and some insurance in case Seth Olsen were to flop. Either way, the Broncos need depth along the offensive line, and Beadles could help provide that. He plays with a mean streak, and was academic All-MWC.
8. With the 183rd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...A.J. Jefferson, Cornerback, Fresno State
Jefferson is a big, athletic cornerback who has great speed who will help the Broncos out immediately on special teams and add depth to their already deep secondary.
9. With the 220th pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Danario Alexander, Wide Receiver, Missouri
Alexander may be an injury risk, but he is more than worth it at this point in the draft. If this pick required the Broncos taking a third receiver, they could make it work. Alexander led the nation in receiving in 2009, and though he has had a series of injuries and did not perform well in offseason workouts, he has superb size at 6'5" 215, and could be a steal if he stays healthy.
10. With the 222nd pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos select...Brandon Banks, Return Specialist, Kansas State
To be able to get a guy like Banks this late is a nice steal for the Broncos. Banks has world class speed, and would be a great get in the draft for the Broncos, who really need someone who can specialize in returning kicks and punts.
Draft Recap
1. Dez Bryant, WR
2. Maurkice Pouncey, C
3. Tim Tebow, QB
4. Eric Decker, WR
5. Brandon Spikes, LB
6. Zane Beadles, G
7. A.J. Jefferson, CB
8. Danario Alexander, WR
9. Brandon Banks, RS
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I have a hard time picturing Pouncey falling that far, but if he does, I hope we trade up.
and ah well, Im not getting into a Tebow and Spikes debate again :P
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It depends, I guess
I could see him going to us at 11 if we can’t trade down, but I could also see him falling as far as Indy at 31. We will have to see.
I just noticed I picked three Gators. I have heard the Tebow thing a million times by now, but why not Spikes in round three?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
I don't think Pouncey falls further than the Steelers at 18
I like the trade back to 16 but I hope we take Pouncey there.
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Assuming we do take Tebow, how does our QB competition shape up?
We’d have Orton, Quinn, Tebow and Brandstater going into training camp.
The roster mathematics speaks against us taking a QB, but if we’ve given up on the brandstater project already, then I could see it happening. Or maybe we are trading Orton on draft day? I don’t know, but regardless, I don’t see us keeping 4 quarterbacks.
After the Gruden QB camp on sportscenter this morning, I am higher on Tebow than I was before. Gruden has coached up a lot of quarterbacks and he seemed to really like Tim Tebow.
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Good question
I wonder if Brandstater is practice squad eligible. Not sure, perhaps the Kaptain will chime in there. If so, I’d sneak him on to the practice squad this year. While you risk him getting signed away by another team, I think Tebow is a better long term solution anyway.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, what's the use of having Brandstater on the team if you are assuming Tebow is your quarterback of the future?
Tebow is raw and he won’t start right away, which is fine for now, but do you drag Tom Brandstater along on the practice squad if you know he isn’t going to be the guy, anyways? If you aren’t going to be developing Brandstater for the future, why waste a practice squad spot on him?
I just think the roster math plays against Brandstater if Tebow is brought in.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 17, 2010 1:54 PM MDT up reply actions
My thought
Orton has only one year left on his deal. Quinn has two years left, is injury prone, and has a lot of question marks. You may try and keep Brandstater around planning for Orton leaving after 2010. Just a thought.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember Cassel too
The Pats got a sweet haul for Cassel whom they groomed for a few years, and he was a guy who really took advantage of an opportunity and made huge bank for New England.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:57 PM MDT up reply actions
That's a good point.
That makes sense. This year the roster math doesn’t add up, from a talent standpoint, but when you throw in the contracts, it makes sense going into next year.
Thanks for the perspective, Sayre.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 17, 2010 2:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure thing, kb
And who knows, maybe it’s a long shot. Tebow could go in the top 15 of the draft like his dad said he would and this whole discussion would be a moot. I just have a hard time seeing us pass on him, especially with two 2nd rounders, if he falls to us at 43.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, I see your point.
I don’t think that Tebow goes top 15, no matter what, but I don’t know if he makes it to us at 43, either. If Clausen doesn’t go to Buffalo, I say that Tebow does. In this scenario, I think the Browns could take Tebow instead of McCoy and if they do, I doubt we take McCoy. He’s too short to fit the McDaniels mold, IMO.
I do think the Tebow stock is rising, though, and he may just crack the first round. The coaches seem to really like him, although it may all be a smokescreen, at this point. A few months ago, I was very skeptical about Tebow, especially in regards to his revised throwing motion. However, he’s starting to change my mind.
I just want to see the board on friday. The draft just can’t arrive soon enough.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 17, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
It is a good point
I’ve often opined that Coach has opened a QB flipping business – buy ‘em for cheap, fix ’em up, send ’em out for profit. He was successful in developing Cassel, who got shipped for profit. He was successful in getting great value for whatshisname and the team never lost a beat. He’s been grooming Mr. Orton – a guy who could likely fetch more than a 2nd rounder assuming he continues his progress this year. Then he’d have Brady next on his “flip” list.
I’m not in any way saying that we’re looking for a QB. We’re not in the market. But if Tebow is there in the 2nd, it’s a very real option. The worst that would happen is we would either release Brandstater or take the roster hit and carry one extra for a year. Perhpas we would trade Quinn for more than we paid, instead. Either way, it’s entirely possible. And like I said, we’d get as much for Orton next year as we spent on Tebow this year. Very possible.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
love the draft...id be doing the happy dance all over Ft Collins!
We’ve been on the Tebow wagon for a while & I’ve liked Dez since the draft process started. The Pats got a 2nd round pick from KC for Cassel & Vrabel. Not sure I’m with you on that being a sweet haul. Other then they got a 2nd for a 7th round QB & a declining LB
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by Rockymountainway on Apr 17, 2010 7:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Bummer
We never really get a chance to watch Brandstater play. He had some good moments in the preseason. But I guess Josh gets to see him everyday in practice and has a better idea how he’s progressing. I’m still pulling for him, though…
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by OutOfYourElement on Apr 17, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
For the record
I am too. I really liked Brandstater when we drafted him, and he’s a Bronco so I’m pulling for him just as much as I am Brady Quinn. I just don’t know that we should stake our future on Brandstater, and McD really, really seems to like Tim Tebow.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Aren't Orton and Brandstater about the same age? Kind of a toss up for the future LOL
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I put the Tebow and Bryant pickers in the same camp....
And then I try to ignore them….
Brandstater will go through this one more camp and part of preseason, unless they already know he’s not going to work out…at which point, if he makes the Team McX likes him as the QB of the future… if we draft a QB …Bstater’s in trouble… If we draft Tebow…I’ll be taking a step closer to the edge and looking down.
by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 17, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions
The Tebow thing is premature
Back in an earlier point, even Sayre dropped Tebow from a mock. After the paramedics revived me, I made a comment, taking note that NE had taken on Brady as a 4th QB. I don’t think that there’s any question that Denver could take him on that basis if the draft falls a certain way. However – Brandstater is also quality material. Sure, he could go to the PS, but I suspect that they are much more likely to keep him on the roster. Why? Developed backup QBs have value beyond where they were drafted. They can be valuable as trade material. And, there’s always the very real possibility that one or more of the QBs is lost for the year to injury.
There will be a competition every year, and at each position. Orton has won the starting job – if he continues to improve, he can keep it, no matter what Brandstater, Quinn or Tebow (if they even get him), might do. I dislike the amount of problems that QB controversies start, and we recently got a very small glimpse of this with Quinn, a player who has had major problems in the NFL, no matter what he did in college. All of the sudden, Quinn was the new answer. If – and its a big if – the Broncos end up with Tebow, there will be dozens of posts about how he’ll start in September. But that’s how the game goes – it’s a business, and fans are fans. I was around for all of the calls to bench Elway, so not much surprises me.
Brandstater was drafted for a reason – he’s a big kid with a lot of intelligence, skill and a lot of potential. Even if Denver adds a QB, he’s going to get his chances. I do find it interesting that on nothing more than a Woody Paige column, some folks are already penciling in a different starter and tossing Brandstater aside. We have no idea how well he’s doing – he may surprise some folks, or he could be toast. But the competition hasn’t even started – don’t bet on an outcome too much in advance. Lots of things change, and sometimes, 6th round players end up as stars. You never know.
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by Doc Bear on Apr 17, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes, this ^
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by Jay Fin Anderson on Apr 18, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 18, 2010 5:46 PM MDT up reply actions
tim tebow
is a great collage player wouild be on my board utnatl 3-4 round wouild be a very bad pick for us
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You have Weatherspoon falling outta the 1st?
And we pass on him for Tebow @ 45? Sorry bro, don’t see the logic…I realize you have us taking Spikes in the 3rd, but I’d rather take Spoon (if he fell to 45, which I doubt) then add more depth at QB (especially since the added depth at QB won’t help this year).
Instead of Spikes in the 3rd, I’d like depth at G or RB
you already know.
Editing mistake
I changed a few picks over the last couple of days, and meant to mock Spoon to the Saints. I made the swap.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Why not Weatherspoon #43?
I know you like Bow, but having an opportunity to get Spoon at 43 would be fantastic. So may variations, I would say this has a low level of occurring. Would be happy with it, but I think it might be better.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 17, 2010 1:42 PM MDT reply actions
I agree
Sorry, that was an editing mistake on my part. Spoon at 32 to the Saints.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions
No apology needed.
makes sense then.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 17, 2010 2:23 PM MDT up reply actions
I think my head would explode from hapiness if this draft happened...
Well besides the Tim Tebow pick…Id much rather have Duccassee or Weatherspoon.
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We'll have to see
Based on McD’s recent comments, I cannot see him passing on Tebow if he should fall
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
McD was complimenting everyone though, he said Mcclain was tge smartest player he had ever met… I think the Tebow talk is a smokescreen.
by HBobbyT on Apr 17, 2010 3:59 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
you know,
I think you might be right. I mean, maybe it’s not just a smokescreen so much as he just likes the guy, but he’s not necessarily going to take him. Tebow’s on our board, make no mistake about that, but I just don’t see us taking him. I don’t think we would have spent the energy going out and getting Quinn if we wanted yet another guy at that position going into camp. It just doesn’t add up for me. But hey, Sayre, you also said that you could be wrong, too, so I’ll give you that.
I do like this draft, though. I think the three things that stuck out to me were:
1. The idea that we get Tebow when I just got done reading up to that point in the article and loving the picks up to that point, and then seeing that and having to respectfully disagree. I do like Tebow very much, and I actually have been agreeing with you, Sayre, about the pick, that is right up until we picked up Quinn.
2. Drafting both Decker and Bryant. Sounds interesting and if we do it I would be excited to see who starts day one out of all the guys we will have.
and…
3. Not including a defensive lineman anywhere in the draft. I think McD really did a great job of rebuilding our d-line, but I still have reason to believe that he still wants at least one more guy to add some more depth.
This draft, should it go down exactly like this, would really be exciting, I think. I may not agree 100% with it, but if it were to happen like this, I probably wouldn’t argue. I’ve learned to not doubt McDaniels. I think he really knows what he’s doing, and I believe he is the right man for the job. We’ve got an exciting decade ahead of us as fans.
by NxtYrNvrArrives on Apr 17, 2010 7:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Totally disagree...
McD’s comments made me believe he wont take Tebow.
All the guys that were brought in, in my opinion, were those that had question marks. I think McD thinks Tebow is a high character guy and leader (who does not) but reading between the lines, does not see Tebow as a fit.
That being said…I like your trade back, but I would take Pouncey there. I think Bryant may last late in the 1st, and if not, you could get Demaryius Thomas, who frankly, has much higher upside than Bryant, and who was rumored to be running under 4.4 before hurting his foot. if he runs under 4.5 in his pro day, he will only last until the end of 1st. We are talking with a guy with more explosion than Brandon Marshall, is quicker and more explosive than Calvin Johnson (though not the hands) and has Brandon Marshall size…..he is going to be VERY good.
We then have an opportunity to help our lines….and if we could get Spikes in 2nd or 3rd that would be great (maybe trade down to later in the 2nd???)
I like most of the picks Sayre…except Tebow…..I feel its a luxury pick our team cant afford to make….aprt from that good draft!
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What happened to Spoon?
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Decker isn't listed in the recap either
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Changed
I don’t know what was going on with my brain when I was making edits.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, made an editing mistake.
I had Brian Price going twice, but I meant to have Spoon going 32 to the Saints. If I still had him on the board, I’d have picked him at 43 no doubt.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
thanks for the clarification Sayre...
Makes more sense now….do you think McD is applyin the Super heavy Smokescreen on Tebow? Tryna get teams to bite on TT in the late 1st or early 2nd…
If teams think McD loves the thought of adding Tebow, may force teams to take him earlier, or trade up/down to pick infront of us at 43 or 45…
I mean, I know McD loves a QB project, but is this project worth a 2nd rounder?
Hopefully this ensures us either Ducasse, Gerhart, Thomas, or Benn…maybe forcing Tebow’s stock higher allows someone we want to fall further (then they “should”)
you already know.
Not sure
I mean, he certainly could be, but I think the motivation for it could be a tad far fetched. The Broncos will likely have their pick of any of those players you suggested anyway, save for maybe Demaryius Thomas whom they have not had contact with as far as we know.
We’ll have to see. The Broncos could have brought in ANY QB to work out, but they brought on Tebow. We’ll see!
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice draft
This type of moving around is exactly what I’ve been annoyingly repeating that we need to do. I’m down with Dez Bryant at 16 and Poucey late in the round. Great start! McDaniels is just as in love with Spoon as he is with The Tebow; I have no doubt, mark it, no doubt what so ever (in my mind) that we’ll move to nab Weatherspoon if he’s available in the late 20’s. After hearing McDaniels talk yesterday, it seems possible we move at Tebow if he there also. So kudos on that, but no way we leave Spoon there in the late 20’s.
I also love me some Eric Decker. If he’s there at #80, he’s ours. One more prediction Sayre, food for thought if you do another mock, you might consider spending next year’s extra 2nd rounder. I think it’s more likely than not that it’s used in a package to buy one of these guys.
Kudos on Tebow, btw. I still don’t think it’s likely, but you took a lot of crap early on, and if he’s there when we pick in the 2nd, it seems like a real possibility (but not over Spoon).
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Thanks Alex
The editing problems in this mock are due large in part because I changed the entire first half of my mock. I initially projected us to trade down with the Titans AND with the Eagles, because as you can see Earl Thomas was still on the board, and there have been rumors that the Eagles want to trade up for a S.
I moved down to 24 and selected Weatherspoon, and traded up for Pouncey, then took Tebow in the 2nd. Then I thought about our board, and why it seems irrational to let Bryant, a guy who should be near the top of our board, pass twice in the first round. So I changed it up, because McDaniels indicated that Bryant is a guy who we like, and who is clearly an option at 11 overall. I’m on board very much with Weatherspoon, I just don’t know if we will choose him over Bryant.
We’ll have to see.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions
I almost feel physically sick.........
When I see the Broncos would consider Tebow and I am sure he will not be available at # 43. It would be too good to be true. The Jaguars will pick him at # 10 just ahead of us. Or the Browns or Redskins. Also , the teams ahead of us in the secons round. No way Tebow will fall that far. I feel sorry for Sayre and Myself. Oh Well !!! It was a nice thought Lord. Thanks Joe
Sorry, but I would not be happy with this result
I like the Pouncey and Decker picks as well as the fact you’ve also addressed G and ILB. However, I doubt that either Pouncey will still be available in the late 20s.
Not a fan of taking Bryant. You also have taken essentially 4 WR, so I have to question where they all would fit on the depth chart?
Once again, not a fan of taking Tebow, but to be fair I’m not a fan of taking any QB high, since the Quinn trade.
I would prefer to see someone for RDE and maybe a rush linebacker in place of Tebow and Bryant.
Keep up the good work though.
Agree... roster math problems here
We can pretty easily fit 2, maybe 3 WRs… 4 is absurd. Particularly given the Tebow picks means we have roster math issues there as well…
Amen Brother
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by scottwchicago on Apr 17, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting
I can’t say this is bad at all. Its actually really good. You more than covered the dilemma of position of need, but also did it with very talented players. I’m not sure of the accuracy of which player falls where, but in the NFL Draft it is very difficult to know what player really falls where. Not bad.
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by AvalancheRescueDog on Apr 17, 2010 2:18 PM MDT reply actions
Would make me happy
I would love this scenario but it seems too ideal. I know we are dealing with levels of complexity here but isn’t it a bit disingenuous to forecast such great broncos trades without letting anyone else get into the mix? I think the draftboard will dramatically shift when other teams try to go and get their guys, especially at the top of the second day/round.
McD said they’re going to have a plan in place if they trade down AND if they are stuck at #11. I think it would be interesting to explore that side of draft as we get ever so closer and see if you cant trade down where you would go: if you reach on a player like Weatherspoon or Pouncey or take a player like Bryant or Williams even if they’re not the greatest need.
I don’t know why the bills wouldn’t pull the trigger on Tebow. The broncos would be stupid to not take Tebow if he fell into our hands at 43 just as the broncos would be stupid to try and trade up for Tebow if he falls into the bottom first/ top second round.
Hmmmm
I like this mock. Any mock with Pouncey and Tebow in it is a win to me, but I would LOVE this mock if we took Weatherspoon instead of Bryant. I totally understand your reasoning and everything, but I would just rather have Weatherspoon then Bryant. If we had Weatherspoon, Pouncey, and Tebow I don’t think I could handle the mock.
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Gentleman’s bet, but I think Weatherspoon won’t (and doesn’t deserve) to go in the Top 25. If fact, I think he’ll be drafted around the same spot as the Phonz was.
In my opinion.
You sir have yourself a gentlemens bet
If we take McClain, I think Giants take Spoon at 15. If he falls past the Giants, the Falcons have interest in Spoon also. I think the chances of him going in the top 25 are 75%.
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100% agree
that’s why I see us doing the same as last yr and trading up to 34 or so and taking him (Spoon).
by Orange and Blue on Apr 18, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Overall, I like this.
Except I don’t want a receiver in the first round, especially not Dez Bryant. Not sure about Brandon Spikes, but at that point in the draft I wouldn’t have any complaints.
I had a feeling you’d have to get Tebow in there one more time, and I can’t say I disagree with you on that. I’d love to have the guy on our team, but up until yesterday I was convinced we wouldn’t take any quarterback after the Brady Quinn trade. But now I’ve got this gut feeling about Tebow if he falls to us…
Brandon Spikes could be the BEST VALUE pick in the draft...even mid 2nd would be GREAT value and he might he ven be had early 3rd which would be a STEAL!!!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
Why would the Broncos pass on Dan Williams?
Just take Dwill or reach for Pouncey, because Pouncey is flying up draft boards. And don’t take Tebow, the Broncos don’t need another QB project they just traded for one.
Way too many WRs, the Decker picks is fine but the others are unwarranted.
PS Great job getting value for BMarsh
IMO
If we did take Dan Williams, we wouldn't call him DWill. That nickname is saved for Darrent Williams.
Other than that, I think you have some good points.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 17, 2010 2:42 PM MDT up reply actions
I was thinking about this...
in relation to if we had taken Damien Williams, whose friends already call him DWill. I also believe his twitter account is DWill8. It seems like it might be strange for those who had been friends with Darrent to have another teammate nicknamed DWill. (I wonder if coaches consider this at all?)
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by neckbeard's nephew on Apr 17, 2010 4:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes Orton I mean McG
I got tired of people saying what I was writing was an opinion. I have a feeling you have experience the same straw man tactic
IMO
If we got Decker and Thomas we ould get a great value haul at WR position. We need to take 2 or 3 this draft and UFA.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I disagree somewhat
Every year one or two UFA WRs should be taken, as its a position that doesnt translate to the NFL well because of the mental part of it. Hence the Pro Bowl WRs coming from every round, and tons of busts happening at the position every year.
I dont think the Broncos should draft two WRs at the expense of DL or OL.
IMO
EVERY coach in the NFL loves Tebow
And everyone has said as much. If we go by what they’re all saying about him then I expect all 32 teams to line up in the 2nd for him. Just because McD says he really likes him shouldn’t be an indicator that we’ll take him. Like I said above, they all like him
I just
think everyone “loves” Tebow because they honestly would love to see him picked by someone else.
He’s a great guy with a lot of football heart but I don’t see how we could ever take him.
I’m a gambling man and I’d bet quite a bit that Dez and Tebow will NOT be Broncos.
Just say N.O to T.O and W.T.F to D.E.Z
First priority is solidifying the O-Line.
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Tebow at 43 makes sense if he drops that far (unlikely). He’ll be a red zone TD machine in the NFL.
In my opinion.
That is the one thing that intrigues me about him,
Having him in a a power back with a passing option is a good idea.. So many directions in this draft and i think the talent level is pretty much first rounders all the way through to the late second.
I agree. I don’t see the difference between the 20 and 50th pick.
Tebow will be a red zone nightmare in the NFL. You don’t score that many TDs in the SEC unless you are a TD machine. That will translate into the NFL.
In my opinion.
Man this does throw a spanner in my Gerhart plans..
Tebow can play QB, RB, TE and block and play on special teams..
If we are looking for a short yardage back, why not take one with the ability to may qb reads and throw the ball down field if he see’s a blown coverage.. Sounds like a good idea to me.. I’m not sure i see him as a conventional QB but as a jack of all trades i think he would be a great weapon.
Tebow would probably have the best chance for success as a running back.
The wildcat would obviously be an advantage. His ability to run is not in question. His arm strength is more than adequate. In that type of offense, he could probably excel.
Josh doesn’t seem to be the “gimmick offense” kind of guy, from what I’ve seen.What bothered me most about Tebow as a QB was the amount of time between deciding to throw, and releasing the ball. It seemed like an eternity. If he doesn’t speed up his release by light years, he can’t possbly be a conventional QB.
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by jayrockstone on Apr 17, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Again, I hate the idea of Tebow
But if he would fall that low in the draft… I would only have to vent for 10 minutes on the punching bag before recovering. Any higher and I’ll risk breaking knuckles. Congratulations Sayre, you’ve finally come up with a Tebow draft that I don’t completely oppose.
by Poster_Formerly_Known_As_Royal_Fan on Apr 17, 2010 3:27 PM MDT reply actions
Forget Bryant. Forget Tebow. Forget Spikes.
I’d like to say something nice, but this draft sucks. I would lose my mind, and puke all over my coffee table. Sorry, but I’m not wanting the draft to be that sorry.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
I'm not usually that blunt. I'd almost like to take my words back.
I’m far from a draft expert. The rest of your draft beyond the aforementioned players may have some merit. I just don’t want an ILB with offensive tackle speed. I don’t want such a project as Tebow to try and learn how to be a QB in the NFL. I don’t want to waste a pick on a receiver in the first round, when a better prospect can be found later.
Please, God, NO!
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by jayrockstone on Apr 17, 2010 3:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Pouncey is not falling out of the Top 20. Peter King was the latest MSM guy to suggest he has heard a lot of teams are looking at Pouncey in round 1 and his star is burning bright at the right time. If we pass him at 11 or 16, we’d have to trade WAY up to take him again around 17. I bet the 49ers would be happy to move back after having a pick at 13 overall. I’m sure that move would cost us a pretty penny though.
Hate the Dez pick. Lombardi doesn’t like the guy, Mayock is cooling off on the guy, Scott Wright doesn’t like the guy. He is not our guy. Pass. There are always a few guys in every draft that scream bust (Troy Williamson, Heyward Bey, Gholston, to name a few the MSM was hating on pre-draft and got it right). Bryant IS one of those guys. He is THAT guy in the 2010 draft. McX is not wasting our pick on that guy.
I think you’ll see Tenn sway picks with the Jags at 10 and we’ll be picking at 11. My guess is McClain or Pouncey.
In my opinion.
I agree
You never know what will happen but sitting here today I can’t imagine Pouncey making it to #29.
There was a report the other day that Claussen won’t make it past the 49ers at #13. An interesting scenario is that everyone knows the Dolphins want to trade back from #12, and if a team behind San Fran wants Claussen trading with the Dolphins is a good bet. If there are two teams that want Claussen, then an intelligent organization may trade with the Broncos to get ahead of San Fran at 13 and anyone who might move to #12 for Claussen.
I partially agree on Pouncey
He seems to be hot in demand right now, but while I was mocking GM for these teams, he just didn’t fit the bill with any of the picks. He could go as high as 11, as low as 31.
Dez Bryant has done nothing to warrant the bust projection. He’s never been in legal trouble, and while he lied to the NCAA, what he lied ABOUT was not a legitimate reason to ban him for a season. Unlike the players you compared him to, he is not a one dimensional receiver or a workout warrior. Though he is a workout warrior, he is a multi dimensional receiver who has drawn comparisons, and rightfully so, to Andre Johnson. He’s being painted with the wrong brush, and Josh McDaniels indicated as much. Fantastic wide receiver who outproduced last year’s top receiver, and hwo is frankly a far better athlete in general. At 16, he is phenomenal value.
That said, if we passed on him for Pouncey I can’t say I’d complain.
The Titans have no reason to jump us with the Jags. We are not projected to take either player the Titans will be targeting. If they want Derrick Morgan, they might have to jump the Dolphins and trade with us.
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Nothing? Come on.
Dez Bryant has done A LOT to earn the bust label. MHR’s favorite son, Mike Lombardi, doesn’t like Bryant, his lack of work ethic and poor decision making ability. And Dez Bryant didn’t do much of anything on the field last season because he wasn’t playing football in 2009.
The Titans, should they want Haden, may have to jump all the way up to 10. Or maybe not. Who knows.
In my opinion.
Yes, nothing
He’s never done anything to indicate he will be a bust as a football player. He didn’t play a whole lot in 2009, but he was on pace for another All American season.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 18, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Uh-uh . . .
Three WRs,a CB, and a QB? I love ya, Sayre, but this is ignoring the Broncos’ most glaring needs: the lines.
I like the idea of Dez Bryant. He truly is a beast. And Pouncey fills me with glee. But please, no more WRs. OG, OG, and OG. That’s better.
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
I picked up a C in round one, and a G in round 4
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Plus we have Seth Olsen as well
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Well, to keep it positive . . .
I love the Bryant, Pouncey, and Spikes choices. I don’t know anything about Beadles, but I’m glad he’s an OL.
And you got my rec out of appreciation. :)
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
You are the greatest.
This has outdone all your others by far. About a month ago on a mock I had us tading with Jets, jumping back in before the Vikings took Pouncey. Can I claim that part. Just kidding.
Still pushing that dead horse Tebow...
Two things I got out of the conference is that McD is setting up anyone who wants to trade. He has these NFL wanabee’s, Bryant(dumb) and Tebow(hoping) in just to say that Denver is looking at these 30 players.
Neither will be a Bronco because McX is McX.
by DLMyers on Apr 17, 2010 4:09 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Agreed
You can’t read anything into what McD said. He was slinging the old you-know-what in every direction, as far as he could sling it. I wouldn’t be at all surprised to see the Broncos take someone at 11 that wasn’t brought to Denver (if we can’t trade down).
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Sayre, I like this mock...
My favorite thing about it is the format. How did you decide to lay it out like that? I obviously love the Tebow pick. I have to admit a thought in the back of my head is that we might take Tebow earlier. McD’s evaluation of him was about as glowing as can be. First round-type glowing. I would not be shocked.
Dez Bryant would make me throw my remote at my TV, as I’m sure Dan Williams would do to you. We shall see!
Man it's getting close now..
I wonder how many remotes will be being fished out of broken tv screen after day two.. lol
I got tired of the old format
haha, it became a bit stagnant to me. I tried to kind of create a mock draft day. I think you could be right about Tebow. If we want to get him, we just may have to move up in the draft to do so.
I’ve grown on Dan Williams. I don’t want to be mad about any pick that we make, so I’m trying to see the positive in every pick. I’d rather not be pessimistic about a pick that we make.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:50 PM MDT up reply actions
@swg777..he did not glow over tebow as much as
he glowed over McClain. “Rolando is the smartest player I have meet”.
If McX does pick at #11, it would be Rolando McClain ILB Alabama.
Can't believe I saw this....
Your first three picks are how i envision Denver’s draft going! I know most on MHR will not like this draft but I really see Denver going Heavy offense in this draft. The need is there, plus with the loss of Marshall we absolutely need more playmakers. Everyone talks about the defense in this draft , allowing Josh and MC. X to sneak in the backdoor and rebuild their offense for the next ten years. I’m expecting 5 or more offensive players in this draft. Can’t wait!
by northoftheborder on Apr 17, 2010 4:20 PM MDT reply actions
Sayre, what do you think about Claussen
I don’t necessarily want the Broncos to take him, and my biggest hope is that they trade down. However for all the same reasons that Tebow applies.
(1) Orton is in his make or break season, and the result of which will go a long way in determining if he gets a long-term contract.
(2) the acquisition of Brady Quinn means nothing for the draft at QB. Quinn was a good QB prospect at a dirt cheap price, you never know how the draft will shake out, so you add a guy that improves your roster depth if the price is right.
(3) Brandstater would be an unforutnate casualty of sorts if they decide to draft a QB, but that is part of constantly upgrading a roster unfortunetly.
So, I was thinking the other day that if Claussen falls past the Bills at #9, I wonder if the Broncos would take him. They obviously have far more pressing needs, and once again I am not advocating this selection, but part of preparing for the draft is looking at all the possibilites.
So what do you think of Claussen in McDaniels system and as a prospect that would sit the year and then have a chance to play next year?
I have only watched 3 Notre Dame games from last season, however he looks like he would be a good fit and allow McDaniels to push the ball downfield a little more than he can with Orton.
Claussen falling to #11 would be the perfect senario for trading down.
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by jayrockstone on Apr 17, 2010 4:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Dolphins at #12 hurts a bit
If a team moves up then it would be to get ahead of the 49ers and Seahawks as #13 and #14. Unfortunetly the Dolphins want to move down as #12 so that hurts the Broncos options a bit. Unless like I mentioned above that there are two teams, or a team like Seattle wants to move up ahead of San Fran and ahead of a team trading into #12.
Your right though, having a player at the most important position fall to #11 would be nice for the Broncos.
Not sure
I’ve mocked him to us once before, and I know the Broncos talked to him at the Combine, but that was the extent of it I think. I don’t know. I mean, he is obviously familiar with our terminology and may be the most NFL ready of any prospect due to his playing in a pro style offense. He’s kind of a tool in my eyes though. I’ve never really liked the kid as a person, he just rubs me the wrong way. Not sure why.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Titans aren't going to trade up - they don't have 2nd Round Pick.
I think the only 2 teams that might trade up are New England and Philly.
I just don’t see the dire need of the other teams to trade up and I don’t think that anyone else has the ammo to trade up without destroying there draft.
I hate the Tebow Pick – waste of a pick. McDaniels loves pure throwing QB’s and if Denver is going to take a flyer on a QB I would rather have John Skelton who has a CANNON.
Overall I like the other mock drafts you have done alot more. But fun read
Cannon Arms do not mean anything
in the NFL. the 3 best QBs in the NFL Brady, P Manning and Brees. None of them have Cannon arms
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 17, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions
They don't need a 2nd to move up
Trade value chart indicates the third round pick makes it an almost perfectly even trade.
Tebow is a throwing quarterback. Take a gander at McDaniels’ comments about him, and you’ll see what I mean.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Eagles moving up for Earl Thomas
Trying to get ahead of the dolphins and seahawks that are looking for a Safety would be a decent bet, based on what Peter King said this week about the Eagles.
I could see it, but who are we taking at 24? Spoon?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:53 PM MDT up reply actions
A couple guys fit with that draft range
Spoon, Iupati, Pouncey, Dez, Dan Williams and Tebow could all be targets and fall to that pick in my opinion.
There is also the chance that MCX has their eyes set on someone unexpected such as: DE/OLB Graham, Ryan Mathews, Cody, Kindle, and whoever else.
If they dropped that far back I would have to guess they would be looking at Pouncey, Iupati, and Spoon.
A friend who knows someone in the Raiders organization says that they will select Trent Williams with their first pick and Tebow with their second (if he is there). Now, before you laugh, this same person predicted Hayward Bay in rd 1, and the surprise safety in the 2nd last year. Tebow won’t be there at #43.
Holy draftboard, Batman,
your mock reads like a conspiracy theory. We trade back and ignore our biggest need, then he falls to the end of the first round and we’re lucky enough to trade up to 29th to nab him? Talk about living on the edge. If we trade back at all I take Pouncy, maybe even if we don’t, and if Weatherspoon is still on the board I take him next. As slick as McDaniels has played his cards in the Cutler and Marshall deals, do you really take anything he says at face value? Remember how he let the Bears sweat until they were ready to offer the house, the farm, and the kids’ college funds? McDaniels always manages to surprise me and maybe he will again, but I think he’ll do something to fix the interior line and risking letting one of the best Center prospects in years get away doesn’t seem likely. But who knows, I might be reduced to explaining to myself how his moves make sense “after all” once the draft is past.
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Haha, no conspiracy here
I actually initially mocked us Weatherspoon in the trade up, but didn’t realize I still had Pouncey on the board. Again, this scenario is presented as one of what I believe to be four options in the first round. I will present another on Tuesday.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions
NO TEBOW
Tebow won’t happen we need so many other positions and Tebow’s not that good at his. McDaniels may have sounded like he couldn’t say anything wrong about him but don’t read too far into it. Brandstater is just as good so no way are taking a 4th string qb that high. If McDaniels really liked a qb in the draft that he thought we could acquire, Simms would still be on the roster not Quinn. Then we would have released Simms after the draft. I think we try to trade down in the first and acquire picks for Scheffler but I believe we will stay put and take good players with the picks in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. It is a deep draft so trading up and giving away 2nds and 3rds seems foolish to me.
Another interesting scenario!
Love your mocks Sayre. After the draft you can almost certainly direct our attention to one of them that was almost right on. Just kidding!
Mostly, you get us thinking.
I’m not convinced we know much more about what they’ll do on draft day than we knew before the press conference.
They bring in players:
1 – to answer questions they may have about certain players that are, aren’t, or might be on their draft board, or to find the right place for them
2 – to persuade other teams, with whom they might be interested in trading up or down, that they have interest in a player that the other team has interest in.
3 – to distract teams from a player that they have high interest in, but have not invited to a visit.
To say definitively that any one player falls into one of the three categories is speculative, if not downright misleading.
For instance, IMO McLain, Bryant and Tebow fit as well into categories #2 and #3 as they do in #1. Perhaps even more so.
I’m still unsure as to the look of their board for those players not invited. The top ten may be drafted just as you predict. But what if Bulaga, Trent Williams, or Eric Berry fall to #11. I find it hard to believe that they will trade down in such a situation. They might, but I wouldn’t. The people who insist that you need stars to win the SB are partially right. You just can’t win with histrionic stars.
I’d lik to be a fly on the wall of the war room to get a glimpse of the way McX rank the players in the draft this year.
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 17, 2010 6:03 PM MDT reply actions
I dont think a trade down from 11 is realistic anymore
Both the Jags and the Fish want to trade down too.
There are a lot of teams that say they want
to trade down. You cannot believe everything you read about what NFL FO say this time of year
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 17, 2010 6:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes, but you can connect the common sense dots. The Jags and Fins don’t have 2nd round picks in 2010 and I’m sure they want to add more picks. Also, the Jags are a cash poor team so paying 10th overall money is not something they want to do. I bet they were actually upset they won the coin toss for 10 overall.
The Fins and Jags both want to move down because it makes sense for them to. It will be very hard for us at 11 to move down and get value to do so..
In my opinion.
11 has traditionally been a hot spot.
Just out of the Top 10 money…Miami doesn’t need Dez, but might like Williams, McClain, Graham, Thomas. I tend to think Denver sits in the cat bird seat among the three (Denver, Jax, Miami).
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 17, 2010 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Why is it any more realistic for either of them?
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 17, 2010 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions
I think McD likes Tebow more than we know.......
The reason I say that is that he did not work him out and McD didn’t bring him to Denver just to talk with him I think they liked what they saw on tape and just wanted to verify there evaluation with a personal visit.
Tebow love better be a smokescreen.
McD is saying that he likes Timmy so much so that teams will take him late in the first or early in the second so that more good players will drop to denver.
We already have 3 QB’s. We don’t need Tebow we need to fill other holes early in the draft.
Dislike Tebow pick...
It’s a luxury pick and I am 50/50 on whether Tebow will make the change from college winning to NFL winning.
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I like the mock
I am not sure about Dez. I like him but If we trade down I would take Weatherspoon over him. If we have to stay at 11 I would take McClain. ILB is out biggest need on Defense right now. I do not see us trading any of our 2nd round picks. There will be a lot of talent left where we are picking in round 2. I would rather get two good players. I like Pouncey but we could get some really good players with the 45 & 80 pick. I also do not seeing McD drafting 3 WR
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 17, 2010 7:02 PM MDT reply actions
I’d be thrilled with McClain at 11. That folks are more worried about his Chrones and not worried about Bryant’s questionalbe work ethic and desire is vexing to me to say the least.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Apr 17, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
This Draft!!!
I would not be happy with at all. ONLY – because we drafted Tim Tebow. Give me Donald Butler at that spot and a CB or DE at the Spikes pick and I’ll be the HAPPIEST broncos fan west of the Mississippi.
But, overall, pretty good mock!!!!
GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why the hate on Tebow?
Does the fact that Josh McDaniels praises this kid as being one of the most talented quarterback prospects he’s ever seen not make you like this?
Absolutely he had a terrible throwing motion in college. That is fine. He has since fixed that and shown that his new motion is working.
Jon Gruden is another smart person (former coach) that is very high on Tebow. Gruden is a straight-shooter, no bullcrap kind of guy. I severely doubt he would say that Tim has tremendous potential in the league if he didn’t in fact mean it.
Is he worth a first-round-pick? That depends. He’s a risk. Heck, a lot of people are. Is Dan Williams worth a top-10 selection? Not at all. But I’ve seen many mocks having him go as high as number three to the Bucs! By the way, Torry Holt is an idiot for mocking that…On live television. Just saying.
Tim Tebow is the best college player of all-time. If you say otherwise, you need to check your brain. Seriously.
He will not be a star in his first year. He might not even be a star in his second or third, but rest assured that he will one day be known as one of the best quarterbacks in the league. Call me crazy, but I have that much faith in him.
Typically I’m not one to speculate, but I seriously believe people dislike Tebow because of how religious he is. I saw multiple comments from people on profootballtalk.com saying “Tebow needs to get over this ****ing relious bull.”
Has the game of football suddenly become a popularity contest over a game of skill and ability? If it has, it’s not a game I’ve become accustomed to.
If somebody can put out a couple legitimate reasons why Tim Tebow is not worth an early second-round-pick, I will eat my words.
Until that happens, the hate should either stop or be simmered. I’m not one to tell anybody what to do, but the truth needs to be told.
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by Tanner Thomas Thoms on Apr 17, 2010 10:24 PM MDT reply actions
TTT
words cannot describe how much I agree, or how much I want to hug you for writing this. +10000000000000000000000000000000000
The only thing I disagree with is this one part
“Favre will lead the Vikings to a Super Bowl title in 2011”
Cmon Now. We all know the Broncos are taking it :)
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- I could not care less about his convictions. What ever floats your boat.
- I have never had any qualms about his character or leadership skills. Outstanding.
- 6’3 236 and runs a 4.7. I dont get what here stands out that will make him more of a goal line threat than a POWER running back teams could pick up in 3rd round onward. Not blazing speed….and this aint college. Does not set up well as a H Back or Tight End either.
- Throwing mechanics are average at best. I have heard about his new mechanics…and its great he has changed them….but like any new mechanics in ANY sport it takes 1000’s of hours and repitition to create muscle memory in the body. Under stress, an athlete normally falls back on their old mechanics. No way would I be convinced that the new mechanics would hold up under game time stress.
- In such a deep draft, taking Tebow, or any QB for that matter with ANY of our 2nd rounders makes NO sense. We can upgrade our team with players like Gerhart, Spikes etc that can make contributions NOW and not 2 years down the track.
PLEASE, this is not being anti Tebow…..he will contribute somewhere, but for OUR team, with OUR needs….its like taking your family on a holiday when you should have paid your mortgage instead. Hes a luxury pick we cant afford.
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McDaniels did not say this about Tebow
Does the fact that Josh McDaniels praises this kid as being one of the most talented quarterback prospects he’s ever seen not make you like this?
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I really like the idea of Tebow to Denver at 43 and I think he’ll be a late 1st round pick, but there are few things written here that are highly dubious.
"Tebow is the best college player of all time and to suggest otherwise would require a brain check"? He is one of them, but what you wrote screams of youth and shallow knowledge of college football. So might say Archie Griffin was pretty good, ditto on Hershel Walker, Barry Sanders, Charles Woodson, Jim Thorpe, Red Grange, Deon Sanders, Vince Young, Tony Dorsett, Doak Walker, Lawrence Taylor, Bo Jackson, etc.
Tebow will work very hard to fix his poor throwing motion, but has he ever shown us that on Saturday or in the line of fire with an NFL pass rush bearing down? When he shows good mechanics on Sunday, then you can say he has fixed his poor throwing motion. Until then, he is a massive project.
One of the best QBs in the NFL on day? I think he’ll have a long and interesting/productive NFL career, but he’ll never be a Brees, Manning or Brady. A Kordell Stewart or Randall Cunningham type career would be good for him and something he should shoot for.
In my opinion.
Good points, McG
I like studying history, including the history of the NFL and the college game. If you feel that Tebow is the best player in history, I hope that you’ve studied it. Take the above and add Johnny Unitas, Bart Starr and a dozen others. Fact is, the game has changed tremendously. Tebow would have struggled in other eras, just as the players from those eras might struggle now. Wild overstatement doesn’t help the discussion – claiming that anyone who disagrees with you is brainless is, well…..
Tebow may be very good, but the number of ‘best in history’ players who didn’t make the jump is long. The same is true for the Heismann. Perhaps sticking to facts that can be proven would be helpful.
It all starts with the lines
Isn't Tebow a left handed QB
Contrary to our line strength?
religious, not relious
Sorry.
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by Tanner Thomas Thoms on Apr 17, 2010 10:27 PM MDT reply actions
I don't know if this was mentioned, but...
You have Jermaine Gresham going at #21 to the Bungles and #36 to the Chefs (both misspellings intentional).
by SoCalBroncsFan on Apr 18, 2010 12:11 AM MDT reply actions
Misdirection
The whole Tebow thing is pure misdirection on McD’s part. Same with Bryant. McD, student of the Pats system is not taking a QB in round one, nor is is taking a bonehead WR. He needs players for his system, and is just sending out junk through the media. If he doesn’t spend his picks trying to beef up his run defense or help in the middle of the o-line it will be very surprising.
I think you're right...
…but I can see where Dez might be tempting. Bryant plays a heck of a lot faster than his stopwatch speed, and when you look at the transformation the Pats offense enjoyed by injecting Randy Moss, its not hard to conclude that McD wouldn’t see high value in his skill set. He’s the type of guy that can create oodles of room for the slot guy and for backs in the passing game— which is really the bread and butter of the system. I think Bryant sort of hinges on the organization view of guys like Fry, Olsen, Baker, McBean, etc. If they are higher on those guys than we know, then Bryant may be too talented to pass up.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 18, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Our inability to convert 3rd/4th and short plays doomed our 2009 season. It was our single biggest flaw as a team and we’ve yet to address this problem which most at MHR agree was a personnel issue more than anything else.
I agree with you about smoke screens and it’s why I’ve been on the Pouncey at 11 bandwagon for months. McClain also is like a fantastic option at 11 and I think both will be there for us to draft. Ditto Joe Haden, but more so for 2011.
There are a ton of solid WR prospects with round 2 thru 4 grades and as luck would have it, we have a four picks in those three rounds. Maybe more if we’re able to trade down. If we can’t target Pouncey in a trade down, I’d also be thrilled to add Iupati in the 2nd half of round 1. I don’t think we’ll be able to trade down, but it is a good year to have the 11th pick because there are some amazing prospects that fit our immediate needs at C and ILB. That kind of luck doesn’t happen often. The year we finally need a C (after Nalen and Weigmann, the best C prospect in decades is available. And if that is too high to draft the anchor of your O-line, the best ILB to come along since Pat Willis will also be there.
In the end, the 1+1 = Pouncey.
In my opinion.
You got that right
The most pressing needs seem to be pretty clear. The question is how they can best be met. Seems like historically teams are very hesitant to pick a C or G so early in the first round, whereas an ILB can easily go that high. I think it is due to the thought that lots of guys have the size, speed and athletic ability to play C or G so pick them later and coach them up. On the other hand those same attributes are rare for the elite ILB. I McClain has the goods, he will be very hard to pass up.
Best C prospect in decades...
had a late 1st/2nd round grade 2 months ago?
Sorry, but I don’t buy it. Pouncey is no doubt a great prospect… but I’ve also heard numerous people saying all 3 of the top centers last year were better prospects.
Would I love to pick him up? A thousand times YES…. but not at #11 salary.
The guys at National Football Post are saying he is the best C propsect of all time. Once the scouts got to take in his film and got him at the combine, his stock has gone well past those of the C’s last season, even ahead of Mangold from a few years back.
I’d be thrilled to have Mangold, even at the 11th pick salary.
In my opinion.
misses the point
I’d be thrilled to have Mangold at #11 salary too… but we’re not getting Mangold. We’re getting Pouncey, an unproven prospect that some folks that think are great, while others disagree.
You can keep saying so-and-so think he’s the best until you’re blue in the face, and I’ll remain unconvinced… the reason is because it is not consensus. Charlie Cassserly, a proven NFL FO-type, said all 3 interior line folks last year were better. Many folks 2 months ago were giving him a 2nd round grade.
None of this means the NFP folks aren’t right, and he definitely good be the best thing since buttered toast… but it is really risky at #11, because even if he’s only good (but not great), we’ve then hurt other parts of the team by overspending on a solid starting center.
Tempting, but
But at 6’2’, 220, he is enough smaller (shorter) than either Moss or Marshall to not quite fit that bill. Also, his speed is good, not great. Never mind the off field stuff, I just don’t see him fitting the on-field mold of superstar. But, you never know, if he played hard all the time and really got after it, he could be a Rod Smith type. I just don’t think he has the head for that.
Thats the thing...
…it all hinges on their evaluation of his skill set. I don’t think they’d pull the trigger unless they see special type upside.
I’m not advocating Bryant, although I wouldn’t be upset. But I think he’s a guy that his detractors ought to be prepared to swallow. I think he’s a very legitimate contender for the Broncos first pick.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 18, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Can we draft 2 interior offensive linemen ?
With our first pick # 11 Lupati
then trade our 2 second round picks that we just got from the marshall trade to get back
into the first round again to get Pouncey If the broncos do this they should have
the best offensive line in the NFL again..for at least 10 to13 years
Any thoughts on this.. Good….Bad… ?
by broncosfaninphilly on Apr 18, 2010 9:47 AM MDT reply actions
Iupati! Iupati! Iupati!
Probably not going to happen, but we all have our favorites….
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 18, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions
Uh oh... you said Lupati...
There are already three other interior Oline guys (other than Kuper whose position is solid) that would be vying for the last spot on the line after you picked at #11. Hochstein just got a new contract, Fry is by all accounts in the running and Olsen too. So assuming you pick Iupati or Pouncey at #11, you’ve already got three guys competing for the last spot on the line.
So whether it’s a good idea or not really depends on whether McD thinks he’s already got a player in house or not. Also in terms of pick value interior line guys aren’t a premium. I can see one in the first round, but two? You’re really starting to stretch the value of those picks.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Apr 18, 2010 10:00 AM MDT up reply actions
I think if we pick OC or OG in the first round you won't see another until third round...
I used to like the idea of one interior lineman in the first and one in the second. But I don’t anymore… I want some impact from round two. A WR with one and try to trade up for Weatherspoon with the other.
Please.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Apr 18, 2010 10:15 AM MDT up reply actions
Iupati with an i, not an L.
Sounds like “ew-potty” not “Lou-potty”
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 18, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Very detailed, good post Sayre
Although, it sounds more like a dream draft than a mock lol, I agree about Tebow though, I don’t understand his haters… I wouldn’t mind if that was the Broncos got all the players you predicted, good stuff.
Sayre, right where you picked A.J. Jefferson
I would be looking hard to see whether Arizona’s Earl Mitchell was still available. The 6-3, 295 lb. Mitchell was used by UA as an H-Back until in his junior year, then moved to DT. Even though he spent the last 1½ years learning the position, he became one of the better in the country. And with his 4.79 speed, he would have tremendous range.
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If we have this kind of draft, I would cream in my pants! To get Tebow, Bryant, Pouncey, Decker, Spikes & Alexander! Oh my that would go down as one of if not the best draft in Broncos history!
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by Denver Broncos Madness Since 1986 on Apr 18, 2010 3:14 PM MDT reply actions
Like that you did a complete 2 round mock
makes it easier for me to see where you’re coming from, I do not disagree with you that Dez is a talent I just think he is a talent we should pass on if only because I don’t think he helps us 5 years down the road. I’d be much happier with guys who can do their job well and possibly even pick up Odrick instead with the first round albeit that would mean probably finding another trade partner. Or possibly go NT. However Sayre you know way more about the draft than I do as I think I have done 2 mocks to your 100’s so I’m not going to say you’re wrong just that I’d need some more reassurance to make me happy with a Dez pick. ;) Part of me just can’t get over that he forgot his cleats. I mean come on that’s ridiculous if I was him I’d be bloody checking my bag a hundred times to make sure I had everything, but hey maybe he’s just a busy man practicing his uhm ya english. I hope his football brain is better than the one he seems to be using right now.
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Draft...
I’m of the opinion that we draft Pouncey(draft down) then pick up another guard in 2nd and 3rd and in the 2nd we pick up Gerhart as well….. with this its sets us up well with a solid line and a GREAT 1-2 punch(moreno/gerhart)… Guys like Briscoe (wr)should be still around in the third… Thats where we off load scheffler … a 3rd rounder…
With a solid OL…. life is easier for Orton and the Rb’s….
The defense on the other hand…. is another story… But at least they bought in some veterans on the DL…
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I rec'd, but please please please replace Dez with Weatherspoon. lol
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