Tony Scheffler traded to Lions in 3-team deal
by John Bena on Apr 19, 2010 12:33 PM MDT
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PrintTony Scheffler has been traded to the Detroit Lions in a 3-team deal that saw the Lions send LB Ernie Sims to Philadelphia and a 5th Round draft pick comes to Denver. The pick is Philadelphia's - #137 overall - via Cleveland.
The Broncos now have 6 picks in the Top-137 and are back in the 5th Round. They had originally traded away their 5th Round pick last summer to acquire LeKevin Smith from the Patriots.
The Lions get Scheffler, a talented pass-catching TE and a 7th Round pick from Denver.
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I am thinking 3rd rounder...how many does Detroit have???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
LOL, I was like, “They have 24 draft picks in this draft, GEEZ!” :)
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
not really
2 each in 2, 3, 4, 7. 1 in 5, 6
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Scooby Laugh
He said three way! Okay, I’m done being a child for the day….
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Usually you have to pay double for that kind of action, Cotton.
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by papigrande on Apr 19, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Rut Row
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Hahaha
My wife an I say this to eachother pretty much on a daily basis…that and “that is good clean family fun right there, Cotton!”
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by JChase8410 on Apr 19, 2010 11:38 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Question is
What did the Eagles have to give up for Sims? I wouldn’t be shocked if this is a higher pick than any of us anticipate
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
I hope so too, Sayre. My day would be officially made if we found a way to get a 2nd for him, I’d still be excited with 70 though….
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I'd be pleased with 70
I’ll be excited to see what we actually got for him
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
dont really care for the 3rd
Wouldve preferred sims IMO
by DBroncs1414 on Apr 19, 2010 9:48 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
no id just rather hav sims
He’s had a solid career in detroit, and I’m not so sure we could get that type of LB in this draft if we don’t get weatherspoon or McClain
by DBroncs1414 on Apr 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Eales have
2 2nds, 2 3rds, 2 4ths. Hmmmmmmmm
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
I have to say this
McDaniels sends all the players to areas they are from
Chicago-Cutler
Miami-Marshall
Sheffler(western michigan university)
by broncos314 on Apr 19, 2010 9:50 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
He's a classy dude
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
I noticed that too
After Marshall was traded…..
Makes me wonder what really goes on between player and staff behind closed doors….
McD: You’re definitely outta here, so where would you prefer? (maybe not quite that blunt, but you get the idea)
Player: home (or however they phrase it)
McD: Alright, lemme see what I can finagle.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions
Great little fact there
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought the same thing!
We are very happy for the opportunities (fill in x-bronco) will have playing for his home team! And very happy about our draft pics! Wierd huh? Is it on purpose?
oooooo wow
like…i predicted that three days ago…omg…like im like mata hari or something…and can see the future
oooooo..i see a super bowl for us….yeahhhhhhhhhh
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by MHRsGirl on Apr 19, 2010 3:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh mat hari be oh so right please!!!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 4:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow... Doesn't Scheffler come from around there or am I remembering wrong
That means Cutler, Marshall and Scheffler have all been traded him…
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by orange&blue_aussie on Apr 19, 2010 9:51 AM MDT reply actions
home not him... and I just copied b314 accidentally...
"Space is big. You just won't believe how vastly, hugely, mind- bogglingly big it is. I mean, you may think it's a long way down the road to the chemist's, but that's just peanuts to space."
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by orange&blue_aussie on Apr 19, 2010 9:51 AM MDT up reply actions
So long Tony!
Sorry to see the all that potential leave; however, as has been pointed out by many, he never really put it all together and was not a good fit in the current system.
Whatever we get (I too hope it is at least a 3!), the importance of this draft just keeps getting bigger and bigger. We need some talent ASAP! I can think of about 7 positions (out of 22) that should not be up for grabs!
^^ this ^^
Really liked Scheff, really nervous about what this buys us.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
It could be a future conditional
Like a 2011 2nd/3rd. That would explain why the pick is undisclosed now. That would be my guess at least.
IMO
A 2nd and a 3rd
Would be great but it is probably to high.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
WOW
Rotoworld says we got a fifth and also gave up a 7th
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
The Broncos sent a 7th Round Pick...
and Scheffler out the door for Philly’s 5th Round Pick(#137 via Cleveland)
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That's weird
this trade seems to heavily favor the Eagles
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 9:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Lions fan here
Sims is a part time try guy….we are estatic to get a Good TE and a 7th round pick for him! Good Riddance!
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by CapitolLions on Apr 19, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
That's a good deal for the Lions.
and a bad deal for the Broncos (but a deal that had to be done anyway) Scheffler’s quite simply worth more to the lions than he is to the Broncos. I’m happy to get a 5th rounder for him, but the lions could end up getting an excellent pass-catching talent, if all works out for Scheffler (ie. injury, attitude, etc.)
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 11:45 AM MDT up reply actions
A potentially good TE who will be an UFA next year
It’s not like he’s been to the pro bowl or anything. he’s talented and I wish him well in his homestate, maybe he’ll be more motivated than he was in Denver. I’m happy to get a 5th in a very deep draft. Heck, it could be the rare trade that benefits all three sides.
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Wow...
Got swindled, maybe it wouldn’t have been so bad if we didn’t send out a 7th as well… Just wow
That SUCKS.....horrible value for Denver....this one I have to question!!!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
yeah, but scheffler's almost worthless to Denver, so getting anything for him is technically a profit
I loved the guy’s upside as much as anyone else, but c’mon – he was injured every year and never bothered to work on blocking. He’s just a large WR who lines up next to the tackle. not that there’s anything wrong with that – but that’s not what McD needs in his system.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions
We should have gotten the fifth, not given up the 7th.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Ummm, I’ll go with “friggin terrible” on this one.
Traded a pick and a talented player to move up two rounds? Crappiness.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Technically...
We trade a player to upgrade our 7th to a 5th; but I agree, horrible value for Scheff’s talent.
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by Alexander Wall on Apr 19, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
A 5th round pick in a super deep draft
and one of the first picks of the 5th round for that matter. Is a hell of a lot different than a 7th rounder. Detroit now has 7 of those. Good luck to ‘em there. Honestly I don’t know what people expected here. The guy’s going to be a UFA next year. He’s been a disappointment in Denver. Maybe he’ll be motivated all over again in his home state. But I don’t know if people are seeing the full picture here. This is a really deep draft and Denver has a lot of needs. Scheffler wanted out. He would’ve been gone for nothing after next season, or possibly before this season as a cut.
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Detroit has 4 of those (7th rounders)
I meant to say above.
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there must have been a bunch of bored dudes out there
Nothing was going on then this little tidbit comes across and this board lights up with comments
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
What a great trade for Philly...
They get Ernie Sims for a 5th Round pick….
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And pick up our 7th rounder
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
the Lions got the 7th round pick, not philly
and Sims isn’t all he is cracked up to be
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by CapitolLions on Apr 19, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
didn’t the lions use the 20 something-th pick on a tight end last year? Pettigrew? With Scheff, Stafford and Calvin Johnson they’re gonna be good. And by good i mean not suck as bad as normal. They may even winm three games!
by mikebirty on Apr 19, 2010 9:56 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I had predicted...
a 6th for Scheffler…In the end it is a high-5th for Scheffler and a 7th…
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yeah I predicted a 5th — I didn’t see having to give a 7th
by Todd Jewell on Apr 19, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I was also expecting a 6th and was hoping for a 5th. Considering we also gave up a 7th, I’d say we got a 6th for Scheff.
Not great value, but something. It’s hard to say we lost in a deal where we traded away a player with no future in Denver.
It is what it is. Hopefully we make a good pick in round 5.
In my opinion.
by McGeorge on Apr 19, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Hit the nail on the head, McG!
+1
"Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character." -- Albert Einstein
Well said.
Not to mention the reputation bonus for McDaniels. Sure, he’s not winning any popularity contests with the MSM, but I bet the players are loving him. He pulled the strings he had to and sent all of the high-profile players where they wanted to go. Cutler – CHI, Marshall – MIA, Scheffler – DET. We may or may not reap the benefits now, but they will come.
Jarvis Green had his heart set on Denver since our game against them in week 5 because of McDaniels player-coach relationships. I like this. This stuff is important to players, and players are the guys winning us games. This trade didn’t garner very good value, but it was an acceptable tradeoff considering the situation; which you covered well in your comment.
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by Alexander Wall on Apr 19, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I know Scheff played college in Michigan and all
But do you really think the to the Lions was where he wanted to go?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
He seems excited.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 1:06 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd be excited if I was a tight end there.
Just drafting Matthew Stafford, who is a heck of a player. He showed some amazing guts last year against Cleveland. They were sitting at the bottom of the barrel before, but they’re on the upswing. Now they’ve got Pettigrew, Scheffler, Calvin Johnson, Matt Stafford. That passing game is starting to look pretty good. If they can get some decent blocking for the QB they’ll be no worse of a package than the 2008 Broncos, hahaha. Scheff should fit right in.
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by Alexander Wall on Apr 19, 2010 5:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree 100% Alex
I noticed as much last year watching film for the UFR series. If Stafford gets the chance, he will take the Lions to the playoffs very soon.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Well, it's official.
I’m off my rocker. I’m more pessimistic than McGeorge today. I was beginning to get used to McDaniels getting excellent value in trades. I think this is horrible. The fifth was fine, but to lose the 7th is not. I question this move.
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Wow!
I guess that makes up for the good trade we made with the ’Phins
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I'm not too bothered by giving up a 7th...
in my mind it’s a glorified UFA pick. I’m glad we have a pick in the 5th (something we didn’t have before). So, is there anyone else left to be traded? :)
Despair: It's always darkest just before it goes pitch black.
Good point
We didn’t have a pick in the fifth before. Good to have one. But better to have a 5th and a 7th
I agree
especially for us fans watching the draft.
by OrangeBroncos on Apr 19, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
Pick 220
I don’t mind giving up that pick because many times you can get that player as a CFA
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Good perspective...
I guess I’m just averse to having to give up anything other than Scheffler for a 5th. Even if it were a bag of footballs.
But then you're competing with 31 other teams to do so.... not always easy.
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by Broncs Cheer on Apr 19, 2010 3:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I was wrong
I thought we’d get a much higher pick for Scheff. Sorry all!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
I forgive you, Sayre
I was hoping for more as well – no worse than a 4th round pick.
If the Seahwawks hadn’t signed Chris Baker from the ‘Pats, perhaps we could’ve sent Tony up there. No one coud’ve seen this coming.
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
You were not that far off..
Sayre, you posted a 3rd rounder for Tony but we actually got a 4th (before comps).
Interesting that Broncos are trading players to home states
Marshall goes to Florida where he grew up and played college ball.
Scheffler goes to Michigan where he played college ball.
Just happenstance or are the Broncos brass just really nice?
Too nice...HORRIBLE VALUE for Denver!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Only because you overestimate Scheff. It was very clear that he was not going to remain in Denver so we were always dealing from a position of weakness.
We we NEVER going to get a 3rd for this guy. NEVER.
In my opinion.
Those who expected a third for Scheff must think that Scheff = Boldin....
not so…
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by theGreatGuessKowski on Apr 19, 2010 11:15 AM MDT up reply actions
a 3rd for potential...
is not going to happen when you’re talking about an injury riddlef TE. If you’re trading a 3rd for a player with potential, it’d better be a healthy QB or something of that value.
And don’t discount a 5th round pick either. There’s usually some interior O-line help to be found in round 5.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
"injury riddled"
Exactly, Herc.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
true that.
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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Something to keep in mind.
Yeah the value could have been better… but McDaniels is keeping his current players happy. This is a business world, and they know that sometimes teams have to deal away players for financial reasons or whatever. But the guys coming into Training Camp will work that much harder to make the final roster knowing that they’ll likely get traded somewhere bearable if not desireable.
Its important that the players want to play for you, McDaniels is covering that here.
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Weatherspoon for 2010! And at #11 if need be!
by Alexander Wall on Apr 19, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'll take it
A high 5th rd pick is equal to a 4th rd pick (and in this draft, 4th rd players are as good as 3rd players). we obviously have a player in mind. I predict its Armanti Edwards we use on that pick. Great job. The 7th rd is a total crapshoot.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 10:00 AM MDT reply actions
But the 7th allows us to trade up in 3rd and 4th rounds...so its valuable....and should not have been given away.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
A LOT
of teams have multiple 7th rd picks. Their worth is not much (their point value is next to nothing)
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
I haven't looked into it much...
But aren’t they saying Blount (sp) should be available in the early 5th?
by Broncoholic_07 on Apr 19, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
I told you guys
Ihave been saying that it would not be good for him if all we can get for BM was what we got but not so much that as the other receivers that have moved on via trade this offseason
Say what???
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
I tried 3 times and couldn't figure it out.
Sucessfully diagramming that sentence should be good enough to get you a doctorate in english
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
basically, he's saying
A. He (kimbertr) has been saying we would get poor value for Sheffler.
B. Considering what poor value we got for Brandon Marshall
C. And especially considering what value has been gotten for other receivers in trade
kimbertr
I agree with everything you just said to the extent that it was communicated verbatim via keyboard except where you insinuated that it would not be good but not so much because that has moved on and we are all on the same page with several exceptions since it has been from the beginning when the whole scenario became a possibility even if certainty was the term used to describe when it all took place and everyone noticed that they were seriously alone in thinking that value could be had even if it weren’t there to be offered when they took it to the bank and approached Detroit after a serious BM could be made.
Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....
Longest sentence ever nominee :~)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
I think this thread has been Bill Williamsoned
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
I think what he meant
is that given what we got for Marshall, but especially given what Holmes and Boldin garnered, we shouldn’t have expected too much for Scheffler. I think.
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by jayrockstone on Apr 19, 2010 7:04 PM MDT up reply actions
+1
lololol
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by broncosmontana on Apr 20, 2010 9:05 AM MDT up reply actions
ROFLMAO.
Comma, much? LOL
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Draft a freakin' semicolon! Ha ha!
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"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
I guess....
We as Broncos fans over-valued Scheffler. Oh well, I’m sure that was the best deal they could get for him. Probably better for us in the long run to just be done with him.
by Broncoholic_07 on Apr 19, 2010 10:01 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Less then I expected...
but there probably wasn’t a lot of interest. Good luck in Detroit!
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by BroncosNL on Apr 19, 2010 10:01 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I imagine..............
It was probably the best deal we could get. I’m sure we would have gotten more if we could have. I was hoping for a fourth but a tight end who can’t block and has attitude concerns isn’t that valuable. I had a HS football coach friend who went to training camp last year and said he didn’t like Scheffler because he was lazy in every practice he attended. So I am glad we got SOMETHING for him. LOL A 4th would have been nice.
C'mon draft! I am ever the optimist! What a fun time of year!
by Broncofan on Apr 19, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
We got slightly less for Scheffler than
the Steelers got for a Super Bowl MVP receiver. So not too bad.
Lions get your 7th rounder
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
7th rd 220 pick...Close to UCFA if you ask me. Who wants the irrelevant pick anyway? Or close to it.
The 5ht rd #137 is 83 picks away from where we were at.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions
We now have 4 7th rd picks
3 are tradeable. We can probably trade up if needed.
Life is a waste of time and time is a waste of life... so lets get wasted all the time and have the time of our lives!
Meh.
He’s injury prone, fumbles too much and wouldn’t have gotten much production. In the end we got a really high fifth, so it’s almost like moving up 3 rounds. I’m neither excited nor angry.
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by papigrande on Apr 19, 2010 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
How can anyone expect to get higher than a 5th for Scheffler?
Brandon Marshall- An elite WR went for two 2nd round picks.
Anquan Boldin- An elite WR went for a 3rd and a 4th
Santonio Holmes- A very good WR went for a 5th!
I just did not see how anyone thought we could net a 2nd or even a 3rd round pick for Scheffler in this trade market.
A pass catching tight end earned a 5th round pick. Makes perfect sense to me.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Apr 19, 2010 10:03 AM MDT reply actions 11 recs
Good point
Never htought of it that way
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 AM MDT up reply actions
OK with 5th.....NOT ok having to give away a pick though
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I have to take consolation
that we basically traded the 7th pick for a fifth rounder. It looks good (better/good enough) thatta way.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Don't get me wrong
I like having picks in the draft but we’re talking about a 7th round pick here. While for every Hillis/Barrett/Monsanto Popes you end up with more Blake Schlueter, Paul Ernster, Brandon Miree, Clint Mitchell, Ahmad Galloway, Chris Young, Leroy Fields, Justin Swift types.
The draft is a total crapshoot and if giving up that 7th was the difference in us getting that 5th, I’d MUCH rather take our chances at the top of the 5th than the middle of the 7th.
A little rudeness and disrespect can elevate a meaningless interaction to a battle of wills and add drama to an otherwise dull day.
by A.J. Haefele on Apr 19, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
OK,
you’re starting to convince me this was OK.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Not really, he didn’t get a 5th, He was the difference between a 7th and a 5th. Trading Scheff gave us a 5th this year instead of a 7th. I think we could have done better.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
The 3rd pick in the 5th round is of tremendously higher value then a 7th round pick.
Scheffler did not fit the system. He was not used. End of story. Other teams recognized this, and we received fair value for a pass catching tight end.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
by The Heat on Apr 19, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Also I did not attempt to sound so forceful/obnoxious in the previous post.
"Some guys got drafted and they ain't played football in 15 years and I'm still waiting to get drafted. I'm still waiting to hear my name." -Rod Smith
So you think McDaniels could have done better
but decided not to?? Just wondering.
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Know what I think?
McDouche is an idiot
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-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
sarcasm alert
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
That's even more idiotic
than thinking he passed on a good trade he could have made. I guess next he’ll be punching himself out a la Fight Club as soon as he manages to divest himself of this burdensome job.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
I was just going to mention that Santonio Holmes only garnered a fifth round pick as well...
Market driven value prevails again…
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by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 19, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Definitely.
I guess we’ve gotten spoiled with the fleecing our front office has given other teams in trades lately.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Curse you and your logic
Recd because this makes the trade make more sense to me.
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+1
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Yep.....
I was just about to post the same thing. How can folks be mad that we got a 5th for sheffler and a 7th. Everyone keeps saying how deep this draft is, so why not move up into the 5th round?? what kind of guys can we get there? Torrell troup, maybe micah johnson, those type of guys……looks good to me.
Can we stop the 'talented player' BS...
I mean, really, the guy didn’t fit the offense, for better or worse. No one’s fault. He gets to play in Detroit and the Broncos can continue to obtain players that fit what they want to do instead of shoe-horning unhappy players into a scheme that doesn’t fit them….
We must avoid over-valuing the Broncos talent.
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by John Bena on Apr 19, 2010 10:04 AM MDT reply actions 8 recs
I think we just expected that McX would be able to secure more than everyone else thought he would
For once, we traded what the MSM thought was “fair value”
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions
I wouldn’t call it BS, John. I appreciate what McDaniels is doing for this team as much as anyone, but to give up a guy who had a 2nd round tender for practically nothing is a little disheartening.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
and to lose a pick, ableit a 7th...is not good in my opinion. Like the 5th.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
That's just because it was the lowest tender the Broncos could offer....
The ‘Original Round’ tender. I just see a ton of over-valuing going on. For Scheffler and a 7th(#220 overall) the Broncos moved to the top of the 5th Round – and have a higher pick than the Steelers got for a Super Bowl MVP… Not too shabby
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by John Bena on Apr 19, 2010 10:08 AM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
Good points, I just responded to Bfree’s post below, where he made the excellent point that we could have just cut him. The more I think about it, most teams probably would have just cut the guy and moved on, we let him hang around, did the leg work, and got something positive out of it. I guess that’s better than nothing.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I love the move for a disgruntled player who didn't fit our system/scheme...
We could of cut him and not get anything. This will give us an opportunity to get a value in a high 5th where most are gone by 220 and you might as well get the same player/talent in UCFA. We didn’t get shafted, we got value for a disgruntled player. Great job McX!
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:12 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed there
Better then getting nothing. Plus with the sinking value of WR/TE we did ok.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on Apr 19, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Couldn't tender him for less
So because of the tender they got something for him but because of the money involved in the tender they get less for him. Moving up from the 7th to the 5th was probably fair value of scheff and his overpriced tender.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Good call, guys. Thanks for being the voice of reason and keeping my good morning going. :)
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
OK...I DO like the 5th....and sure we might make some more deals so all good.....high in 5th is good!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
#6 in the 5th round
It won’t be noticed by many but the placement is important.
There are only 4 compensatory picks at the end of the 3rd and 4th – ( 3 ) at the end of the 3rd and ( 1 ) at the end of the 4th. That means we’re getting a high 5th rounder ( #137), whereas the placement of our 7th rounder — @ 13th in the 7th / #220 — is pushed back because of the high number of compensatory picks at the end of the 5th and 6th rounds — ( 6 ) comp. picks at the end of the 5th and ( 6 ) comp.s and the end of the 6th.
There’s a lot of value in the range where we’re picking (#137). I had been a little ticked that we were going to miss out on all the prospects in that range.
The late rounds, the 6th and 7th, aren’t much more helpful than the UDFAs. Signing bonuses for late round picks are larger than that for UDFAs. It may sound trivial but teams don’t like to give away money to likely cuts, and there’s a significant difference between the signing bonuses — albeit not overly large. For instance, Brandstater was paid a $124,000 signing bonus for a QB taken in the 6th (#174).
Players don’t make much for attending camp. In fact, it’s startling how little they make. They make their money for playing in the regular season, so the signing bonus money is the biggest chunk of a what late round picks (who are eventually cut) make. It’s also therefore a regrettable waste to the teams.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Apr 19, 2010 2:36 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
For all who say "we could have done better"
Show us where.
It's better than cutting the guy and he get's to go to a team where he might wish the season is over in October!
So we gave up our 7th round pick and received a 5th. That’s a little value for Scheffler in this deep draft. That 5th may be our new Center…
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:05 AM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Great point of view on it. I’ve been trashing this trade for the last 5 minutes or so, but that’s a great point. Most teams just cut players like this, we used him to move up a little bit.
Rec’d B2B.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
an agent named Cook
And at the end of the year he could go (assuming a new CBA) anyways, and that’s after paying him a still substantial amount.
I’d rather use the pick and money on someone who will help the team. We could find a TE as good as Scheffler at #137, pay him less, and own his rights for 4 years.
no goats, no glory.
Rec'd this Bill...Good call!!!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
McDX is doing everything they can to get this ship righted.
from 2000 until last year this old boat was listing 46% and on it’s way over. This is great when we all take a deep breath and think about the possibilities we can get with this pick (5th).
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Hey Bill...Remember this guy???
Hawaii ILB Brashton Satele (6’1" / 241#’s / 4.62 speed!) is now Draft eligable! Big, strong, and FAST ILB…He missed last year with injury but he could be a steal in the later rounds or UFA…Watched this kid play against Fresno and Boise State(s) and he was a stud!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
So we lose
7th Round, pick #220 overall
and gain
5th Round, pick #137 overall?
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Yep KK......
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Yep...Good Trade? ( Dances With Wolves)...
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL Bill
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 19, 2010 11:12 AM MDT up reply actions
I was waaay late on that reply
LoL
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
In points
- = 4.4 points
- = 37.5 points
so that translates to 33.1 points, or pick #146 in the middle of the 5th round!
Quit crying about losing the 7th, unless you were looking forward to more punter competition!
Still got your Creedence...
by OutOfYourElement on Apr 19, 2010 12:21 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oops
Suppose to read:
Pick 220 = 4.4 points
Pick 137 = 37.5 points
which translates to 33.1 points, or essentially pick 146 in the middle of the 5th.
Still got your Creedence...
by OutOfYourElement on Apr 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions
great data
Thanks for the numbers. It puts the 7th rounder in perspective…
scratch that...
no clue why i felt the need to type you that request as opposed to typing “nfl draft value points” into google.
laziness 4TL.
You rotten buncha sense-makers.
Stop it! I was enjoying bitching.
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You don't think we need punter competition? LOL
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Don't forget...
The Broncos got the 3rd pick of the 5th Round….That is a very good pick to have in this draft.
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by John Bena on Apr 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
It's no surprise that you agree with each decision, but this compensation is crap
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
what do you suggest we should have gotten
this is a very deep TE draft?
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
it's the absolutely best you could've hoped for
Thinking Scheff (who was benched and unused) was worth more to us is plain homerism. He easily would’ve been released otherwise. We couldn’t get a 5th last year, how would we expect to get more than that one year later after the mess he had this year?
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Apr 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Its another
broncos pick because of the failed CBA. Scheffler would have been gone for nothing if the CBA rules didn’t change. So far the changes in the CBA has benefitted Denver. I just wonder what RFA’s they might have picked up if the old rules were still in effect.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
great point
Marshall and Scheff just netted a whole bunch of picks than we’d otherwise have had if they were free agents and just signed with another team.
I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson
by BroncoInExile on Apr 19, 2010 12:04 PM MDT up reply actions
we wouldnt have let bm just walk though
hed have been franchised and then traded
alex...Love ya man, but...
It’s not really a suprise except to the mocksters and practicing GM’s that have continued to over-value Sheff into a 2nd to 3rd round pick…I have a tough time believing that McDnX would have made the deal if there was any chance that they could’ve gotten more…He said in his presser that he has been having on-going talks with multiple teams so they were an effort and working the phones but, it is what it is!
Who knows, we just may end up “star diamond” with the pick???
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 10:38 AM MDT up reply actions
DON'T FORGET THE COMPENSATORY PICKS
There are 3 at the end of the 3rd and 1 at the end of the 4th. It’s not a normal math calculation.
no goats, no glory.
Im tired about hearing what a good draft this is
I dont give a rats rear if this is the most epic draft of all time. McD still has to actually pick solid players before you can call this a good draft.
Trading LeKevin Smith for Scheff isnt exactly cause for celebration, although I am going to drink anyway
I was offended when "the Kevin" was re-signed.
I really hope it was his health to blame for his performance. The dude’s performance was total sack rash, last year.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
by jayrockstone on Apr 19, 2010 5:29 PM MDT up reply actions
Well the only thing worse than trading a 5th in the most epic draft ever
Would be to trade it for zero production, and have to explain to the fanbase why you hired someone with a french title for a name
Sack Rash = disgusting, yet classic.
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Better than i expected
I expected us to cut him
by AlleyCat. on Apr 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Ok so all we got was a 5th for him?
someone please help me understand this? We traded Sheff and a 7th and we get a 5th in return?! Thats it?
This could also be grease for draft long w/e?
It might not be as much as many of you guys expected but it means we have shown we can work with several front offices and they in trun might be more flexible with us.
Or is that wishful thinking?
This is huge for all of the parties and I'm partial to what we do only.
We will have other trades all the way up into Thursday night and possibly Friday. I am stoked!
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
What did you want for...
a 2nd string TE that was unhappy where he was??
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by John Bena on Apr 19, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
What did you want? A 6th rounder?
I’m not surprised you agree with each decision, but this compensation is crap.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Elvis, do you think the compensation
is crap?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
You mean our 3rd leading receiver?
He caught more balls for more yards than Stokely. He caught for more yards and more TD’s than Royal. Games where he didn’t play, we had atrocious play from TE’s catching the ball. If you have a QB with limited passing ability, a good Pass Catching TE can be your best friend.
If you can’t figure out how to get good value, then figure out how to make him happy.
Except
that McD’s offense doesn’t use TEs for receiving. They need to be blockers and as much as I loved Scheff, he was not a good blocker.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT up reply actions
McD's Offense used him enough for receiving...
For him to be our 3rd leading receiver last year. that is the point. The offense didn’t feature him and he was second on the depth chart…but still pulled in 416 yards and a couple TD’s.
And for the record, Shannon Sharpe couldn’t block for crap, and I would give up our first 4 picks from last year to have 1 of him.
Shannon Sharpe
was in a different system that didn’t require him to block.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 12:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah...I don't care
Shanny was the one who brought in Dan Graham. For every Shannon Sharpe, we have had a blocking TE to compliment him. If McD isn’t smart enough to use a Fast TE with good hands, then he isn’t a very good play caller.
I’m sorry, with a QB like Orton, a TE slant should be bread and butter for the offense.
You act like all of our TE production just went out the door
We can still run a TE slant can’t we? Scheff was as good as gone, if not this year then next year for sure. This way we get at least some value for him. What’s not to like about that?
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
We can, but who will do it?
Did you watch Graham drop those balls against KC? If you look at the stats from last year, Sheff had 31 catches for 416 yards and 2 TD’s. Graham had 28 catches (not too far off right?) for 289 yards and 0 TD’s.
Maybe McD will get someone with that 5th pick this year who will turn into a HOF player. More likely, he will chose someone who will not be on the team by next year.
My problem is that a disgruntled Tony Sheffler playing in a system that supposedly can’t use his talents for a coach that didn’t particularly like him, still was our 3rd leading receiver. I don’t think either Graham or Quinn is the type of player to take up that slack.
This week, we traded away our #1 and #3 receivers. We got decent compensation for Marshall, but I don’t believe that a 5th rounder is worth giving up that short term production from Sheff.
just my opinion.
This is more about getting rid of a lockerroom cancer
A player that quit on his team and didn;t want to be hear. A player who verbally expressed his desire for our season to be over while we were in a playoff race with games left to be played.
If we didn’t trade Scheff now he would have been cut. There’s no way he is a problem for us throughout all of 2010 and then he walks as a UFA. It’s best to get wahat we could get for him. In this market, that was a high 5th rnd pick.
Just my opinion.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by c_style on Apr 19, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
That is fair...
though I find it interesting how many cancers we have had to expunge lately.
Hopefully we are now cancer free :~) It looks like we just might be exactly that.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
That's good...
Does that mean we get to start winning now?
THere really were only 3 guys...
And we’ve been talking about them for a year. I don’t think that’s a surprise. It’s not like we are finding new guys to dub “cancers” all the time. It’s been consistent here, at least.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
BTW - Graham had 1 receiving TD in 2009
Add in his ability to block and a good atitude and he’s much more valuable to our Broncos than Scheff ever was.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
by c_style on Apr 19, 2010 2:08 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
You are right. The first site I found that on had him at 0.
I stand corrected.
Remember this
Every year teams lose players in Free agency, with no compensation. If it were any year but this year, with it being the final year of the cba, there would be no restricted free agents, and we wouldn’t have gotten anything for Scheffler or Marshall. They both would have walked, signed big contracts with other teams, end of story. Forget how much we lost. Neither one of those players were players we wanted on our team. In normal years, we have cut our losses, let the players move on, and gotten nothing. This year, the cards fell in our favor and we got a 5 and two 2nds. Not too shabby.
by broncoboy326 on Apr 20, 2010 1:15 AM MDT up reply actions
I'd love to see Graham on a TE slant
just imagine the look in the DB’s eyes when he sees Big Dan rumbling toward him.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions
We did...The DB was trying to get the dropped ball
Don’t get me wrong, I love Dan Graham as a blocking TE. My point is that I am a huge fan of the pass catching TE. I am even a bigger fan of a pass catching TE in an offense with a QB that has a suspect arm. Graham ain’t one. Quinn ain’t one. Nobody that we pick up in the draft will be as good as Sheff for at least 2 years.
Even if he is gone after next season, I think he could have really helped us to avoid a rough offensive season in 2010.
Our new #1,2 receivers for next year caught 93 balls for a little over 1000 yards, combined. #3 is a runningback.
Graham
When drafted was considered a receiving TE. I will be glad to see Graham as the receiving TE and Quinn the blocking TE.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Good point
Just because he’s a good blocker doesn’t mean he’s not a good receiving TE.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
True, though he was never able to break through as a receiver
Either here in Denver or in that other system…somewhere in New England I think.
I doubt you will see any change in his play this year.
Let's put some things in perspective
All that has been said about blocking, attitude, etc is true.
However, Scheffler & Graham’s production, other than in terms of total yardage were not all that different.
Scheffler caught 31 out of 50 passes (62%) for 416 yards, with 168 yards coming after the catch and scored 2 touchdowns.
Graham caught 28 out of 42 passes (67%) for 289 yards with 164 yards coming after the catch and scored 1 touchdown.
Scheffler generated 19 first downs, Graham 14.
In your response to your comment about “Games where he [Scheffler] didn’t play,” Scheffler only missed 1 game — the final one versus Kansas City. He was active for the other 15. In those 15 games, he had more yards and/or catches than Graham 7 times. In the other 8 games, Graham had more catches and/or yards than Scheffler.
I’m inclined to believe that we will see a far smaller drop off in TE receiving production than many people are predicting.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Apr 19, 2010 4:02 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Scheffler was over-rated
at least in McDs scheme… xtra fifth maybe we can get the jonnie knox of this draft
Denver post says we got two draft picks back?
Are they just out of the loop?
http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/04/19/scheffler-traded-to-lions/
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 10:09 AM MDT reply actions
yeah that is my belief as well
probably assumed the 7th was coming to us instead of the other way around or something
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 10:13 AM MDT up reply actions
Re-read it
“Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler and a seventh-round draft pick have been traded to the Detroit Lions in a three-team trade that sends the Philadelphia Eagles’ fifth-round draft choice to Denver and Detroit outside linebacker Ernie Sims, a former top 10 draft pick, to the Philadelphia Eagles.”
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Not good
Glad he’s gone. Bus Cook tay out of Denver now.
by Digger24 on Apr 19, 2010 10:13 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
No kidding!
Can we issue Cook with a “Stay the hell out of CO” order or something? Maybe the mayor can make this happen?
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Agreed! + infinity!!
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
lol
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Let's just draft Alex Henery next year... you'll forget all about Zoltan...
My roots are in Denver, but my branches grew in Nebraska and my leaves fell in Lincoln.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 19, 2010 10:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, but Alex’ name doesn’t kick anywhere near as much ass as Zoltan!
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I concede.
My roots are in Denver, but my branches grew in Nebraska and my leaves fell in Lincoln.
by Blackshirt4Broncos on Apr 20, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions
See ya Scheff!
I like this deal. I was hoping for a 4th rounder for him and the third pick in the 5th is pretty close to the 4th round. I don’t mind having to give up the 7th in order to make it happen either. We could have very well just flat out relased Scheff as he wasn’t happy here and doesn’t fit what we want in our TE’s in our scheme.
Keep adding those bullets McX! God I can’t wait for the draft!
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Just like Golden Ear Ring...Drivers Seat...
7 picks in the top 137…That’s huge to start with and I don’t think the trading is over…
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
I've got that record (still lol)...Oh my, original vinyl, that was awhile ago...
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions
That's the way I see it Kaptain
And can’t say that’s a horrible deal. I’m really more and more relieved that we’re getting people off the team, who don’t feel as strongly ‘part of the team’ as common sense indicates they should.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:19 AM MDT reply actions
Wow, this is a busy post
Not surprisingly, but I though I was replying right under Kaptain, like fifteen posts above, ha ha… That’s what I get for not replying directly
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Jibbled
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
RIP Barrel Man - 12/5/09
by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 10:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Lol
Sure, I like it. It gives us a pick closer to the bulk of quality in this draft.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 19, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
TE in late rounds?
I wonder if we go this route or just look at the UDFA’s this year for some depth? Who was the kid we took from Arkansas State?
I’m not sure on the schools, but are you talking about Marquez Branson?
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
His only knock that I know of is, he's only 6'2 but that should hamper him in our scheme if he can block and catch too.
Seems like blocking is more important in this system.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
It certainly is. But even with that in mind, both the tight ends on this roster are capable of catching. Graham is more than adequate with catching, and I don’t think we would have picked up Quinn if we weren’t sure that he could catch too. He was used primarily as a blocker in college, that’s their scheme as well, but I’ve heard multiple reports of Quinn having pretty solid ability and athleticism when it comes to catching.
I also think he proved he is athletic when he batted down that fake-punt last year.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Marquez has the size
to play at the Possession WR spot.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
We 'll see alot of the rookies step up this year and I can't wait.
I’m not worried about Quinn, Ayers or Moreno. One guy that I think will shock us with big time play is McBath. I see something in this kid that I can’t explain but have a feeling he he is going to over shadow some of the other rookies.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Richard Quinn caught 12 balls in College.
Total.
For about 130 yards.
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=170976
He was NOT brought here to catch the ball.
Let us keep that production in context.
At the University of North Carolina when he played they had very weak O-line and under whelming QB options. Yet, they had tremendous WRs, like Hakeem Nicks.
Thus the TEs such as Quinn were used to help the poor O-line give the QBs time to find Nicks and Co. Yes, he’s a better blocker than catcher, but it’s not his fault that skill was never developed in college.
Let’s not act like he can’t catch the ball, just because the eternally unhealthy, but good receiver Scheffler is gone.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Notice
McD’s evaluation of Quinn at last years combine. Wish I had a link. But, McD was impressed with Quinn’s pass catching ability.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
by 3nS on Apr 19, 2010 2:20 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I remember that as well
I seem to remember that McD was impressed with some spectacular one handed grabs from Quinn.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 2:25 PM MDT up reply actions
That is all well and good
But the fact remains that the man has caught 12 footballs in a game situation since High School.
Lots of players look good at the combine.
I have no problem bringing him into the fold to be a blocking TE, lets just not pretend that he is some breakout receiver waiting to happen.
Let's also not pretend like it's a skill
that can’t be developed.
Who knows, if utilized in the passing game for the first time since High School he may just surprise. Not really his fault he hasn’t played for TE friendly offenses.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Quinn was brought to Denver to block and receive
Please go back and read the info around his draft. Randall has this one right. Quinn struggled to pick up routes and formations last year, but given that his college didn’t really use a receiving TE, that’s not surprising. He, like most, has the offseason, OTAs and TC to learn the system. He caught the ball well at Combine and in TC. His receiving skills will take longer to develop, but he was also rated as the #2 blocking TE in last year’s draft.
Complaining about his college’s TE system is pointless. It doesn’t represent his skill or lack of it – the WRs were excellent, the QB limited and Quinn would have been gone by our next pick had we not traded 2 3rd round pick for the last pick in the 2nd and a 4th. The 4th got Seth Olsen, a piece that we obviously needed, given the guard/center play last year.
It all starts with the lines
Okay...what exactly is wrong with being a blocking TE?
Aside from trying to justify a 2nd round pick, what is wrong with letting the kid be good at what he is good at? I have looked back at his draft information and everything that I read points to 2 things.
- is that he is a natural blocker. Quick Feet (blocking), good speed and strength allow him to be superb blocker. Has a natural understanding of leverage and positioning.
- is that he lacks speed, quickness and route running ability in the passing game. Adequate hands, but without the ability to make separation from the defender.
Call me a pessimist, but I just don’t see a guy who was basically a Tackle in College turning into a pass catching TE. Has it ever happened? I don’t remember it. The NFL is a really hard place to develop a skill that you don’t already have.
As far as the Combine and Training Camp…I just don’t care. The common thing about his College experience and his NFL experience is that he doesn’t catch passes in game situations. There are lots of guys who can look good in passing drills, but there is a lot more to the game than can be seen in practice or at the county fair that is the NFL Combine.
I would love to be proven wrong, I just don’t believe it will happen.
Nothing is wrong with being a blocking TE
Except that they can be found bagging groceries as UFAs, their worth is about a 5th round pick- ham sandwhich. Now a good pass catching TE, thats different.
Calling Manumaleuna a blocking TE is an insult to him
He plays full back, H back, and TE. By playing so many position he can actually save a roster spot on the gameday roster
You would love to be proven wrong
yet you insist on taking his college production out of context and citing it as if that proves he can’t be a decent NFL pass-catching as well as blocking TE. He wasn’t going to catch many passes at North Carolina regardless of his potential as a receiver because of the situation there, which others have pointed out and which you have persistently ignored.
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by spock on Apr 19, 2010 6:30 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't exactly recall saying anything about blocking TEs one way or the other
What I said is what’s true – Denver brought him in as a blocking and a receiving TE. That’s what McD said, that’s even how they used him on a few plays last year. Why that bugs you isn’t my concern, miner. And yes, several good TEs have been OL players previously.
It all starts with the lines
Dwayne Carswell was OL, then TE, then back to OL.
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Er, did you think I was responding to you
or to miner00>? It was the latter. I agree totally with what you said and in fact was repeating part of your argument.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Lets just call this one a pointless argument...
I am not even sure why we got here.
Peace gentlemen.
No, spock. Lines of replys that long
tend to put up comments in weird places. I just took a moment to answer miner, and your comment was logical and a good spot to start. Sorry to confuse you. We’re in agreement, and thanks for Carswell’s name boydy. Couldn’t quite pull it up.
It all starts with the lines
UCA
Sorry to pick nits…
University of Central Arkansas. It was Marquez Branson.
by BroncosBassist on Apr 19, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Perfectly acceptable trade! Very early 5th for him is great!
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Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
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Had to agree not to seek...
…and extension according to DPO.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 19, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions
so they traded ernie sims for a guy that they don’t plan to extend?
by Todd Jewell on Apr 19, 2010 10:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Vibes of a player dump, doesn't it?
I can count Broncos players I never warmed up to on one hand— and Scheffler is one of them. I tend to see him as the most overrated fan favorite in all my years of watching Bronco football. Good riddance, I say.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Almost like when the broncos traded Marcus Nash for John Avery
Talk about your win-win scenario. you’ve got a total bust on your hands, why not trade him for another bust, talk up that other Bust’s “Upside” so you can make it look like a decent deal, and then quietly cut him at the end of training camp.
next I predict Jarvis Moss for Vernon Gholston*….
The money would probably be prohibitive, but seriously, I’d trade moss for a bag of chips.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 12:03 PM MDT up reply actions
No
They traded Sims for a guy they can try out at TE for a reasonable sum. If he does well they’ll probably offer him an extension next year, and since he apparently wants to be in Detroit they’ll be in a good bargaining position vis a vis other teams. And he’s insurance in case Pettigrew doesn’t bounce back from his injury.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
From ESPN
The Eagles sent a fifth-round pick in this week’s draft to the Broncos and a seventh-round pick to the Lions to complete the trade on Monday.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5113415
That’s three different reports on the compensation in the trade. What is going on?
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 10:25 AM MDT reply actions
THAT would make more sense....agreed???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Yes
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Is that from Pork Chop?
If it is then don’t believe it…Just saying…
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice deal...
Remember, this is the guy that said he wished the season was over after we got beat in a very close game against one of the best teams in football in week 16 when playoff hopes were still alive. If you’re trying to build a team, a guy like this gets shipped regardless. I would have liked to see McD cut him then, but MdD’s brash, but not that brash. Plus, as John points out, he didn’t fit the system, he was a backup, he was unhappy with the club and the club was unhappy with him. Not exactly great bargaining position. For those of you expecting a third rounder and throwing around the word “swindled” , pass the pipe.
We just got a chance at one of the top 140 college football players in the land for a schmuck that didn’t fit our system or want to be here and a throw away pick.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
I'm glad we got something for Scheffler.
I just wanted him gone after his “I can’t wait for the season to be over” comment. That told me everything I needed to know. A 5th rounder is fine with me and an early one, at that.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I would totally prefer players on the team
Who actually feel a sense of belonging with Our team. It helps. Who woulda thought, right?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:36 AM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, it's a lot to ask for, isn't it? A guy who actually wants to play football.
What a joke. At least he gets to go to a place where they don’t win football games. He’ll get to complain, which he loves so much.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
Sayre just said something at the bottom of the comments about
‘kicking T.O.’s tires’…. Maybe Tony could get some sage advice from T.O. on attitude. Not to mention agent selection. Whoo, (not) good stuff ( =
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Tony just missed his BFF and Training Camp roommate Jay Cutler.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
So what did the Broncos actually get?
One report says just a fifth while giving up a seventh and Scheff, which seems highly unlikely of McD. One says we got two picks, and the other says it was the Eagles who gave up two picks. Options B and C make much more sense, because the way it is reported here would indicate that the Eagles just performed legal robbery
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:31 AM MDT reply actions
I'll believe it
when i see it on denverbroncos.com
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what I'm waiting for
There’s like three different ‘news’ sites that have at least three different scenarios
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 10:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Ridiculous!
I want an “official” statement, LOL. The suspense is killing me. Now that I’ve talked myself into being happy with the “we gave up a 7th and got the 5th” scenario, I would be super ecstatic if we ended up with the 5th and kept our 7th.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Kinda wierd
The Marshall trade went up, pretty much, right away on DB.com.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
The ESPN report makes sense...
We get a 5th for Scheffler. The other stuff is between the other teams.
That’s a pretty sweet deal if you ask me.
by charlesnelsonreilly on Apr 19, 2010 10:32 AM MDT reply actions
Heck yeah.
And not just any old 5th. The 3rd pick in the 5th round. Me likey :~)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
make that the 6th pick in the 5th round
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
I'm just glad we got the high 5th
whatever the trade actually end up being.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 10:33 AM MDT reply actions
So Scheffler goes to the Lions where he REALLY won't be able to wait until the season is over.
Good riddance.
Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalizing animal.
This from the DP
Broncos tight end Tony Scheffler has been traded to his hometown team, the Detroit Lions, in a three-team trade that sends two currently undisclosed draft choices to Denver and former top-10 draft pick and outside linebacker Ernie Sims to the Philadelphia Eagles.
I guess we'll have to wait and see... different reports seem to be floating around..
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Wait, wha?
I wish someone would put out an official press release or something. I was ok with the 5th, but if we get 2 picks, that would be awesome.
by BroncosBassist on Apr 19, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I think that one is the “least correct” of all the scenario’s out there, LOL.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Mike Klis brought that one.
I guess we’ll know this afternoon…Gotta go polish my bike. Heh!
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 10:51 AM MDT up reply actions
5th seems low
but if you think of the trade as scheffler for le kevin smith, it seems more reasonable I suppose. plus we got an one year of both and moved up to the front of the 5th.
So what was the problem with Ernie Sims?
I thought he was a pretty good linebacker, but I dont know him too well
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
I don't think the Broncos were the ones who gave up the 7th
I think the Eagles traded a 5th and 7th, Broncos Traded Scheff, and Detroit Traded Sims. That seems like a “fair” trade
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:42 AM MDT reply actions
Not according to this..
Eagles Acquire LB Sims From Lions
The Eagles announced today that they have acquired starting weakside linebacker Ernie Sims from the Detroit Lions through a rare three-team deal that also included the Denver Broncos.
The Eagles sent a fifth-round draft pick in 2010 (137th overall) to the Broncos. The Broncos gave tight end Tony Scheffler and a seventh-round pick in 2010 (220th overall) to the Lions, who sent Sims to the Eagles.
by HorseStance on Apr 19, 2010 10:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The Eagles sent a fifth-round pick in this week’s draft to the Broncos and a seventh-round pick to the Lions to complete the trade on Monday.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:45 AM MDT up reply actions
That's from ESPN's official release
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:46 AM MDT up reply actions
it's been updated
“The Eagles sent a fifth-round pick in this week’s draft to the Broncos, while Denver sent its seventh-round pick to the Lions to complete the trade on Monday. "
by Something Clever on Apr 19, 2010 10:52 AM MDT up reply actions
It always amuses me when a team trades for a bust and refers to him as a "starter".
for example, when detroit traded for George Foster a couple of years back, they made note of the fact that he had started something like 30 games in the last two years – without noting that those last two were both healthy scratches and the only reason why he started as much as he did was that he was a #1 pick! you can’t NOT start someone you’re paying that much money to!
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 12:07 PM MDT up reply actions
I had my version done already with every draft slot pre-determined in the eventuality of the Scheffler trade. I posted it 34 seconds after the trade was announced.
Kidding, of course :)
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
haha, i think everyone will have to go back to their internet sources and figure out
who will be available in the fifth.. i’d bet that that area has been widely ignored by many.. lol
by HorseStance on Apr 19, 2010 11:02 AM MDT up reply actions
This deal is a stark reminder of two important truths when talking about the draft....
1) Fans over value players that are on the block and 2) The draft holds the possibility for mass dissapointment when talking about trades/players drafted.
Why should we?
When the DP says the team is reportedly asking for a 3rd round pick, why should we expect a 5th?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:47 AM MDT up reply actions
preseason ;)
nevermind, I found it. Lions will be in Denver in week 2
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
Teams asking and teams getting are different things,
If all we’re offered is a 5th, we’re gunna take it b.c dude takes up a roster spot when it’s obvious we’re not going to use him. I actually guessed a 4th.
We should have sent teams who were looking for TE's the game tape of the game at SD last year...
we should have gotten a second based on that alone. hahaa That was one heckuva catch in the endzone.
PFT
which is what Schefter quotes on his twitter says Philly gave up the 7th not Denver. So Denver still has the 220 pick
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Good
I’ll take it
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:53 AM MDT up reply actions
But
That doesn’t make sense because Philly’s 7ths are compensatory
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
good point if thats true
if they only have compensatory picks in the 7th, then it must have been Denvers 7th, because u cant trade compensatory picks
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
So...
…this means that we have to take a TE, QB, AND Dez with the 11th pick, right?
I hate the Red Wings.
Nope just Tebow.. he can do all of the above and play special teams..
Kidding..
by HorseStance on Apr 19, 2010 10:57 AM MDT up reply actions
If he can play center and snap to himself, protect himself and complete a pass.... I'll put him in the HOF.
Running plays would be tricky, too. Snap to himself, hand off to the RB while blocking, at the same time…..
Bootlegs, anybody?
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
Except
if he did that playing for the Broncos, he would be over-looked.
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 11:50 AM MDT up reply actions
hahaha, even with a bias, it would be hard to overlook a guy playing two positions at once.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 11:51 AM MDT up reply actions
Introducing
The stiff-arm hand off. Punch a linebacker in the face while handing off and reading a bible verse
Hey, at least one of my Bronco teams can Hoist a championship trophy this year! Fiesta bowl champs 2010! woohoo!
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 19, 2010 12:49 PM MDT up reply actions
now you're making me
WANT tebow. I have not been in his camp, but that stiff arm handoff sounds great.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 1:39 PM MDT up reply actions
we dont need a top flier TE
because TEs dont get used much by McD.
This will give Quinn a chance to get on the field more, and we also have Branson on the practice squad.
Maybe we’ll add another TE in the last few rounds, but Im not counting on it right now.
Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands
It was a joke
Every time we trade someone, even if it’s the 5th string junior cheerleaders laundry mom, Mel Kiper decides that we need to take another one with the 11th pick. We’re up, I think, to at least 4 different needs now.
I hate the Red Wings.
Yes, but that is what ESPN is telling Mel
He hasn’t had an original thought since 1988
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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yeah, the hair covers up the pull tag for the random draft cliche player
… you know, like the on the back of Woody from toy story. pull the cord and it plays:
best athlete available…plugged a hole in their roster for the next 10 years…that was a bit of a reach…tremendous upside…natural athlete…
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's face it.....
…..anything less than Markuice Pouncey, Dez Bryant, Rolando McClain and now Jermaine Gresham means another 4-12 season in Denver.
Just like last year when we didn’t take Sanchez and Orakpo.
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Mel?
Didn’t we ban you already?
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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Ok
So it’s back to the original now, a 7th and Scheff for a fifth
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 10:57 AM MDT reply actions
Get to mocking, Sayre.
Jou got some ’splainin to do….. LOL
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Sorry everyone
denver did give up #220. I mis read or they changed it on me.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Have fun on the Lions, Tony
“I can’t wait for your season to be over”
Over/Under on when he quits on that team? 7 games?
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
OVER
he is now a TOP TALENT on the team!!! haha he won’t quit on them because they will keep feeding him the ball and he will have an opportunity for a marshalesque stat year.
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Over
Because he will want to get 80 catches and make everyone think he is Antonio Gates level of skill.
Although he would require about 150 throw to make it…
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Doesn't he start breaking down
after 13 snaps?
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I know he'll be fired up for two of them
when he gets to take the field vs. emo boy.
TS: Hey Jay, remember me?
JC: Think so. Let me turn my helmet around… hard to see you through my ear hole.
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by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2010 12:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Kong Suh will be putting Jay Baby on his back quite a bit, IMO.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 12:39 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh god I hope so
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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under...I would bet he wants it over afetr 7 minutes of the 1st pre season game!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
Bad-Bad trade...
Wow…did McD hate Hillis/Scheffler or what? That 7th is a great bargaining chip for us..what was he thinking other than I want Scheffler to get the hell out of here?
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7th round value is very low,
especially when many of the guys will make it to udfa at that point..
If the alternative was keeping him or cutting him.. i’m cool with this.
by HorseStance on Apr 19, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
2 things
I think, mostly, it was Scheffler saying, “I want to get the hell out of here!” Or, more likely, “I can’t wait to get the hell out of here!”
Second, I have to believe that this was the best we could do, though I don’t really understand why the 7th went away. It’s really a glorified undrafted free agent, though.
I hate the Red Wings.
#220 is not a great bargaining chip
it can move us up…3.4 points
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 11:05 AM MDT up reply actions
Call me crazy but
I think the third pick in the 5th round is just a tad bit better of a bargaining chip than a 7th rounder.
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 19, 2010 11:06 AM MDT up reply actions
Either way
Its a better spot in the draft than the 220th pick amiright?
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by Choochoobonewagon on Apr 19, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
I dont want another TE.. We've got Marquez Branson (receiving)
And now 2nd round Quinn…..Geez! I bet we trade Daniel Graham next!
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I was hoping for a 4th but realistically predicted a 5th
so here we are. Wish him luck back in his home state. The Broncos are doing Scheff and Marshall favors in the sense of trading them back to their home lands, and in Scheffler’s case it might be a good fit. But he wasn’t a fit in Denver anymore, was a disappointment, and it’s a high 5th round pick which as others have pointed out is in a very deep draft.
Anyone think it would’ve been cool to have rec’d Ernie Sims as well? Being greedy I suppose.
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So now we can expect
the FINAL FINAL FINAL mock drafts from everyone?
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 11:14 AM MDT reply actions
I'm saving my mock for draftivus.
The only one that will see mine is Styg.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
are they updating it
to keep up with all of our trades (recent)?
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 11:18 AM MDT up reply actions
I don't know, but either way I have all three of my entries.
I’ll be doing my entries on wednesday so I have all the latest information. Plus, my exams will be done by wednesday morning, so that’s another good reason.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions
What happened with the 7 rd mock...It kind of went away. And will we change the draftivus to accommodate the changes made today?
Or do we have to live with what we had?
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:19 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm not sure. I'm sure Styg will get back to us, soon, and let us know.
He’s a busy guy with all of this stuff, but I’m sure he’ll let us know.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 11:21 AM MDT up reply actions
LaCanfora makes no mention of the 7th...10 minutes ago???
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT up reply actions
I think they are all confused at the moment...Like he said, in a 'rare' 3 way deal? We see 3 way deals all the time..
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:39 AM MDT up reply actions
I meant regarding the Hawaii guy?
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you talking about John Estes C Hawaii?...LOL...
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope Brashton Satele...ILB...
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:52 AM MDT up reply actions
I am having second thoughts now Rich...Heh...Old age will do that to a guy sometimes.
I seem to recollect when Hawaii beat us a couple of years ago…Still lapsing in and out of coma though…LOL
Trade value says
Pick #137 (37.5 pts) minus Pick #220 (3.4 pts) puts Scheffler at a mid 5th round value (pick #144 =34 pts) in this trade.
by ChicagoGene on Apr 19, 2010 11:14 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
So we have up a seventh.
Doesn’t bother me. Saves us having to cut the guy.
Nice to be back in the fifth round, I have to believe the Broncos did not do this arbitrarily, they must have guys on their draft board they hope to pick up at that point.
As long as they make a good pick, I’m down with it. Like it matters what I think, I guess. LOL
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
Sure they do and probably have players that went in the 3rd-4th oast year...
The depth is alot deeper this year than it was last year, especially on defense.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:23 AM MDT up reply actions
This isn't THAT bad a trade...
San Antonio Holmes and Ted Ginn Jr. both went for only 5th rounders, the trade market is rough these days. Tony Scheffler was also very unhappy in Denver, he now returns to his hometown, and is "relieved". Obviously the Broncos wanted more in return, but because everyone knew Scheffler wanted out, his trade value probably dropped. The only thing I don’t like about the trade is we had to give up a pick.
Having a bunch of draft picks is kind nice.
Would rather have a 5th than a 7th though
and look at it this way. The Lions now have FOUR 7th round picks. Good luck trying to dump those off.
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Good point
I’d rather have Ginn than Tony so the diff is a 7. i’m good with that
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
Hah hah. A person on the Lions SBNation blog
thinks that “Scheffler has gone to a Pro Bowl or two.”
LOL.
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Here's a link
in case anyone is a member of the Lions blog already and wants to set that point straight. ;-)
Link to Lions Scheffler discussion
See comment by Nate D. on Apr 19, 2010 9:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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Per Lion's history, they probably consider Scheffler a probowler!
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I still dont like us giving that 7th away. Shouldve had 5th and kept 7th.
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What';s the difference between
a 7th round pick and an undrafted college free agent?
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You can't use a cfa to get a deal done!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
We already used it to get a deal done
We just used our 7th round pick to move up to a 5th. That 5th now has more value than the 7th if we need to package it together to move up again.
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UCFA probably costs more
Just off the top of my head, UCFAs can sign with anyone, I would think that some teams would have to fork out a little more to get one versus a guy we control the rights to (until the next draft anyways, but who holds out as a 7th round pick anyways?).
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It's possible that a UCFA costs more for the broncos, for other teams they're cheaper
The Broncos have a history of handing out $20k signing bonuses to UCFA’s, whereas a lot of teams will not hand out any signing bonus at all. Not sure how much bonus a 7th rounder gets, but I doubt it’s as much or more than $20k.
Personally, I think this is money well spent – you’ll notice that certain teams routinely target and grab 3-5 UCFA’s immediatly after the draft, and those same teams often end up seeing a contribution from those same players later in the season.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Seems like the Lions were antsy here.
Draft rd contract verses CFA contract, not to mention draft picks may have not smoked crack in the last 2 months, where UCFA’s probably smoke it just to get by…
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
"what's the difference between a UDFA and a 7th rounder?"
A — mostly signing bonus money. UDFAs get to pick their destination, which makes for a much better fit.
no goats, no glory.
where they go
They go where they can play and get paid. We recruited the top UDFA crop last year (based on PFW’s rankings), which may have been partly the result of our paying more to UDFAs in signing bonuses. Some teams pay virtually no signing bonuses to UDFAs. The other thing in our favor was the perception that there was an opportunity here.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2009/4/26/854399/2009-nfl-draft-open-thread-college
Putting relatively more money into attracting UDFAs makes a lot of sense. Teams don’t like wasting the signing bonuses of draftees who have virtually no shot at a roster spot but UDFAs are paid far smaller bonuses, and a slightly larger bonus can be the deciding factor in signing them. IMO — our willingness to part with late picks last year in order to sign ‘good fits’ (McKinley, Brandstater) reflects the superfluous nature of late picks.
Ideally, from both a player talent and financial point of view, we’d be better off if we ignored the late rounds (6 & 7) and emphasized the UDFAs. Moreover, there are very few late picks and many UDFAs. We’d often be well-served if we used the bonus money we waste on late rounders and used it instead to lure UDFAs.
A critical factor in these decisions is roster openings. The current bubble positions are: ( 1 ) – OT, ( 1 ) – OG, ( 1 ) – OC, ( 1 ) – WR, ( 1 ) – TE, ( 1 ) – RB, ( 1?) – NT, ( 1 ) – ILB, ( 1 ) – OLB, ( 1 ) – CB. Draftees need to either be at one of those positions or be an upgrade candidate. UDFA’s can provide competition at full positions, and they also provide developmental depth for important positions that can’t carry added players.
no goats, no glory.
by Colinski on Apr 19, 2010 10:32 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Eagles fan here
Pleasure doing Business with you boys. Looks like we both win here. I can believe Detroit gave up Earnie Sims!
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Me either...Nice to see you MeanGreen5...Stay cool..
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:26 AM MDT up reply actions
yeah, its good to be back on here, always happy to stop by MHR and talk to educated fans
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by Fan in Exile on Apr 19, 2010 12:08 PM MDT up reply actions
Ernie Sims isn't really that good.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 19, 2010 11:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Just because he didn't fit the Lion's system/schem won't mean he won't in Philly...Just saying!
He wasn’t a #9 overall prospect for nothing you know and some teams just never get it right…Poor poor Stafford…Put him in another uni and he could be an excellent QB…Think about it, the Lions and Rams have been disappointing for a few years now and I don’t see any relief in sight, do you?
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Actually, I think DET is moving the right direction
Schwartz seems like a good coach, and with Millen gone, they have an opportunity to turn it around.
Megatron is a stud. They have some other talented youngsters at QB, TE, and RB that could be interesting. Their trenches are a mess, but Schwartz comes from Tennessee which has consistently good trench players, so I give him a better than average chance of turning that around, assuming DET has enough patience to let him develop some players.
Its a 3-5 year job to turn Detroit around, but given how bad they were, my guess is they’ll give Schwartz the time to implement his system before pulling the plug. Whether it works or not, I think is primarily dependent on their QB not being a total failure, but he looked as good as you’d expect a rookie project to look… at least he didn’t scream immediate bust to me, and showed the potential to be serviceable.
Getting rid of Millen is a right direction for any team.
Yeah for Detroit.
Derek Anderson is just as much a probowl quarterback as Jay Cutler
4 seasons 420 tackles (including assisted)
2006 #9 pick in the draft
25 yr old Defensive captain
vocal leader
fast, agressive, tackeling machine who was over-relied on for his first 4 yrs, now he has a great group around him- we have got a steal for a 5th round pick
on top of that we still have a 1st, 2-2nds, 2-3rds, and 2-4ths…..
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definitely a steal, MG5
nice one. I wonder how his contract is tho?
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Im wondering the same thing. He must be at the end of his rookie contract. But Reid is likely to lock him in with an extention- he’s a great combonation of youth and experience and as you guys are well aware, Ried is a big advocate of Young athletes BTW, we miss you Dawk…
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Yeah, he was probably a decent value in the trade though.
And he’ll undoubtedly be an upgrade over the awful Eagles LBs.
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by Fearless Frog on Apr 19, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions
@MG5..i was in Philly 21 years..
and enjoyed the football there. Native CO now in Vegas and love having some GREEN in ORANGE (Buck and BDawk).
Hey DL...What do you do in Vegas...Just curious?
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 5:02 PM MDT up reply actions
Ok...who's going to "Mock" this new 5th round pick....Sayre?
Anxious to see this one!
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I haven't heard from Jeremy Bolando in 2 weeks and was wondering what happened to the 7 rd mock,
Plus are they going to add-substract to the draftivus? I need answers now! LOL…
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:28 AM MDT up reply actions
BTW Bfree...Jeremy is in the salmon river valley relaxing and may look you up before he comes home?
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:31 AM MDT up reply actions
Said he was and I have to go to town and get a jug of jack! Just hangin' out here.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 11:36 AM MDT up reply actions
10-4...Check out my question to you above!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Nope...I e-mailed him...
If you have already submitted any mocks…TOO BAD, So Sad!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 11:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Our 5th round pick...
Supposed to go in rounds 2/3, will now slip down to 5th round and us.
I have no idea and I’m just throwing it out there because it just popped up on Yahoo Sports right after I read about the Scheffler trade. Don’t know if he can block (our main requirement for a TE), don’t know anything about him other than his name, his position and he likes the MJ. :)
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The failed drug test
would likely eliminate him from McD’s list as well. Character issue, scratch him
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let me get this straight
We essentially have traded Scheffler and a 7th rounder for the right to move up a few picks in the fifth round and LeKevin Smith? How is this possibly a positive chain of events?
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by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 19, 2010 11:39 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
I know — it is going to be SUPER hard to replace those 31 receptions! He was at his best in the last game of the season.
by Todd Jewell on Apr 19, 2010 11:42 AM MDT up reply actions
It's not man, it's possibly the worst thing in the world ever..
worse than famine, plague you name it it’s worse.
I vote we walk right into dove valley and chop McD’s head off.. he must pay!!
Or it could just be that due to a deep draft and an unsigned cba deal players trade value is low atm, see Boldin’s deal.
I don’t think anyone here could argue that Scheff was better than boldin? Better than Santonio Holmes? Doubtful.
As i said earlier.. if it was a choice between, this, cutting him or keeping him and him being a locker room cancer, i choose this.
Sure i would love more but if they didn’t get more imagine what the other teams where offering for him.. probably 6ths and 7ths.
by HorseStance on Apr 19, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol.
the torch-wielding villagers will storm the castle at some point. Let’s hope they go to the wrong one (in Oakland).
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 12:13 PM MDT up reply actions
it's all about value
ted ginn for a 5th
santonio holmes for a 5th
boldin for a 3rd
marshall for 2 2nds
how is anyone expecting we could get more for sheffler?? We get an early 4th, which is like a late 4th round pick……seems pretty good for me. It’s not like mcd said “oh, how do we get the lowest possible”…..if it’s all we could get, it’s all we could get.
Bad trade
First one this offseason really. Even if Scheffler was not going to fit in the system we should have been able to get a 5th round pick for his talent level.
Seriously, if LeKevin Smith is worth a 5th, then Scheffler sure is.
Other than that we won’t be drafting a TE unless there is really a stud TE sitting there a round or two after our FO thinks he should have been picked. For now I am more than happy to go in with what we have at TE and since we use them more for blocking than lots of pass plays we can just throw the backup tackle on the end of the line if we want a “3 TE” set. And truthfully that feels like a better option.
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Pick #137 (37.5 pts) minus Pick #220 (3.4 pts) puts Scheffler at a mid 5th round value (pick #144 =34 pts) in this trade [quoted from above]
by Todd Jewell on Apr 19, 2010 11:48 AM MDT up reply actions
You should look at all the other trades goin down this offseason
and then reevaluate what you think Scheffler would have netted. Sure, we all would have liked a 4th rounder instead of a 5th. But look at what former 1st rounder Ted Ginn, or proven wideout Santonio Holmes (who has baggage, no doubt), netted; also a 5th rounder. It’s not like Scheffler has done a whole lot in his career. He’s talented but talent doesn’t equate to actual trade value. And especially not ths year.
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the difference between Scheffler and le Kevin Smith is, Smith fits the system, Scheff doesn't.
I got decent value for a guy who would have been cut anyway…Boldin, Marshall, Holmes and Ginn weren’t going to get cut, they were going to get traded… Big difference, if he would of fit our system i am pretty sure he would still be here. Just like Sims above, maybe he didn’t fit the system with the Lions. he was a first rd #9 pick and may do well in Philly. Not every player will look good in every system and that is just something we all must understand and live with.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 19, 2010 12:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Valid point
And I might be a blind fan (probably am in this case really) I just think he was worth more.
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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Interesting path our 5th has gone
Didn’t we trade it for Hochstein and a 6th, then trade the second pick back for LK Smith? Hochstein is versatile, if not that talented, and LK will be interesting with his knee working. Now we have the 5th back for Scheffler, who wasn’t going to walk on the field anyway
Scheffler made a public fuss about the Cutler issue, claimed to come on board and then was identified by Dawk and the other captains as part of the problem with commitment among the players. I hope he gives his next team a better effort than he did the Broncos this year.
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Today's market
it’s a different world. Dont compare to anything happened over 3 months ago. The current market has structured itself.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 12:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Sigh
Why must I be proven wrong with logic and clear thinking?
Ok, ok, it was a heck of a lot better than nothing. and moving back into the 5th round was a good thing.
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Yay for Floyd Little HOF . Now lets get Sharpe, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Gradishar, Tom Jackson and all the other Broncos greats in there.
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Can we say the Shanahan era is officially over?
McD point taken… Team first… Let’s get some playmakers
LOLOL
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 19, 2010 5:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Wow, really a lot less than I expected
I was hoping for two fith rounders, seems more of McDaniels wanting to get scheff out more than him wanting value for him. Again, I am sad to se Sheff leave, but I understand why it had to be done.
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Hoping for more!!!
I was hopeing to trade one of are seconds with Scheffler to Arizona for there 26th pick, and get weaterspoon, pouncey, or iupati.
Sorry, off topic
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by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's all think about who we could get in the 5th
Sheff is gone. He woulda been an UFA next year anyway, so we get nothing or we get to move up to the early 5th. So let’s think of what kind of guys we could get in the 5th. My vote: MLB – Micah Johnson
thats a great pick, I know the Eagles were looking at him
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I think every team with a good offensive minded HC
Is looking at this guy, MCD, Andy Reid, Mike Mcarthy, Sean peyton, I dont think belichek because he’ll never want to take brady off the field, which why i also dont see tebow going there
by Warren Todd on Apr 19, 2010 12:17 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah I did, I was starting to feel bad for Warren- I kind of wanted to go with it
But Micah has a lot of upside. I can see him doing well on the next level, like how Foku steped up for us this year
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System or Doghouse?
Plenty of comments about Tony S not fitting the system, well, anybody remember the wide open passes dropped by the guy that “fits the system” in the last game of the season. Pitifull. Seems just as likely that Tony just found his way into the doghouse and was not coming out. My question is, was he ever in Shanny’s doghouse? Not that I remember. It was easy to see how No. 6 could get on a coach’s nerves. But this really surprised me.
saying that you want the season to be over with
and that you didn’t want to play in the last game will get you in the doghouse right away.
He wasn’t just in McD’s doghouse. He was in Champ’s, Dawkins’, Orton’s, Graham’s and D.J. William’s doghouse too.
by black_knight101 on Apr 19, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
got it, but
I understand the story about benching him before the last game, but when did it start? Seems like it started with the Cutler trade and Tony being Cutler’s favorite target. I’m just wondering if anybody knows if the backstory goes back any further. Right now we have all got to be cheering for Quinn, and I don’t mean Brady. At the end of the year D. Graham couldn’t catch a cold.
My biggest problem with the trio of trades (Cutler, Marshall, Scheff)....
is that we only received one NFL player (Orton) and the rest just draft picks. I’m just not in love with draft picks like most on our board.
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by bonaire on Apr 19, 2010 12:25 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
good point
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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by johnnystarr on Apr 19, 2010 12:28 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget Hillis
He’s gonna be your guys Tony Richardson
by Official Arrowhead Pride Parade on Apr 19, 2010 1:15 PM MDT up reply actions
I did forget him too.....
so I guess I should say we also got Quinn as another NFL player if I include Hillis.
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For Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler and a seventh..
we got 2 firsts, 2 seconds, a third, a fifth and Kyle Orton. Its great value.
Not to me.....
draft picks just don’t turn out frequently enough to be considered great value. Only time will tell but even if some of the draft picks turn out, it sets us back a couple of years as they will likely not show their worth for a few years. Getting back proven NFL players can pay dividends much quicker…..but player-for-player trades are unfortunately rare in the NFL.
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I see your point, but...
economics comes into play as well. Dont break the bank for me first guys when you are installing a team first concept. Those guys were not on board, so we got what we could. To me, its a lot. Like him or not, Orton had a better year than Cutler. The picks give us more shots at drafting well. You hit some, you miss some but the more bullets you have the better chance you have of hitting. This team has quite a few holes. At the end of the day, the big picture is what matters. Like you said, time will tell.
Dumervil and Kuper
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 12:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Saw it mentioned above
Someone was wondering who I thought our 5th round pick would be…My guestimate would be Armanti Edwards, the WR/RS from Appalachian State. I think the Broncos could line him up at QB, RB, WR, KR, or PR. Scheffler and a 7th for Armanti Edwards. Mark it down! :)
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT reply actions
I still think...
If we draft Tebow it takes Edwards off our board, I also don’t think Edwards would be a KR or PR… did he even do that in college?
by Warren Todd on Apr 19, 2010 12:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't know
But he was an electrifying playmaker. I don’t think there is any correlation between the two players. Edwards ran his forty in the low 4.4’s, and he is much smaller than Tebow. I think he will be drafted as a Josh Cribbs type
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Josh Cribbs
Mostly does their wildcat though, If we get Tebow I see him playing in that role… Althought the idea of edwards in motion taking handoffs from tebow is exciting but i dont think you can draft 2 guys who are going to play the same kind of versatile role, although edwards is more of a reciever…
Im rambling arent I?
by Warren Todd on Apr 19, 2010 12:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow is as slow as crap compared to Cribbs.....he is NOT a good fit for Wild Cat...only as an option QB.
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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
Lining Tebow up in the shotgun on short yardage would be fun,
but other than that, I don’t see him as an immediate weopon on offense this year. If McD is convinced he’s the QB of the future, then he should bring him in.
Edwards is probably the smartest (he’s very bright acidemically, but I’m talking football smarts here), athletic, clutch, versitile player in this year’s draft. If he’s still on the board in the fifth round, he has to be the pick. He’s everything McD says he wants in a player. I actually wouldn’t be suprised if we go for him in the third or fourth and add some depth at offensive tackle with this new fifth round pick.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
Sigh....
I gotta admit, I come to MHR at times to be “talked off the ledge”…I have not always agreed with moves made by Coach McD, and I have been slow to warm to Orton….but somehow the fan base at MHR seems so upbeat and positive about the moves and decisions, and I come away thinking it will be alright…
This trade, essentially taking a talented if underutilized tight end and parlaying it into a jump from the 7th to the 5th round of the draft seems like a charitable contribution….can it really be spun otherwise? Sure, he was disgruntled, sure he was not the right fit, but you’d think we could do better…
I have been willing to ride along as the talent redistribution takes hold…Cutler, Marshall, Scheefler and others out, and yes we can argue how many good draft picks we have and how deep this draft is….but that places HUGE pressure on this moment…we can ill afford any draft busts….in fact we need to convert this talent outshipping to impact players or else McDaniels starts to look like he has over reached…..the next week will begin the most important chapter in the McD narrative…if he drafts well, we can exhale…and then if those picks actually make an impact, he can and should be congratulated for having such a clear vision and purpose….but come September, October, and November….if the new puzzle pieces fail to bring success, or at least a clear path toward success, I wonder how it will all be received…that seems like an awful lot is riding on this draft….has any one team EVER had a draft so successful? I am just not sure…my greatest fear remains, Josh McDaniels is destined to be a great NFL coach…I just wonder if it will be in Denver….
What if you don't know Jack....but Jack knows you?
There are also stopgaps out there
Specifically at wide receiver and tight end. The Broncos could always kick the ol’ tires on Terrell Owens…
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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 19, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
I like you guys
dont do it!
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by MeanGreen5 on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
lol
I actually thought there was a better-than-fair chance Shanny would pick up TO for the Skins.
But I’m revising my estimates since he signed McNabb. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
well, according to TO and McNabb
they’re buds again… I wouldnt put it past the Skins, they like ‘once was’s’
I think the Skins are talking about signing Mike Singleterry to solidify ther LB core
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lol
maybe Anthony Munoz is ontheir radar too
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
haha
Shanon Sharp is looking to mirror Cooley and Dieon Sanders will bring Offenses to thier knees… I could do this all day
The laughing is going to stop from me when they sign Westbrook though
"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid
ouch, that would hurt
but they already have a stable of rundown RBs (Portis, LJ, Fast Willie)
by Orange and Blue on Apr 19, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
If this were 2004 I'd be scared of this roster
Although they were all pretty dominateing RBs not too long ago, these blue hairs do not a run game make
Besides, the Deadskins are gonna need a few Hoss’s up front to paive the way for these guys and they dont have the draft picks or trade bait to grab em.
But yeah, seeing another beloved Eagle suit up in rivals colors would hurt, ecspesially Westy…
"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid
aaaaagghh!
If it works, it works… But personally, I don’t ‘love me some him’… ugh.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
LoL - by the way
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
I'd like to kick TO, don't get me wrong, but I haven't ever liked him and would feel conflicted if he was a Bronco.
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by Troy Hufford on Apr 19, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
not happening
so don’t stress yourself out too much about that. ; )
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by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
he's the epitome of team cancer
and along with being a complete head case, he’s not the player he was 4 years ago
damn a step, he’s lost several steps
"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid
We were not going to get anything for him next year and it was obvious we were not going to give him a contract. No one signed him as an RFA [third pick] — so what else would you think we could get?
He caught 30 balls last year — the same amount Moreno had, the same amount Buckhalter had, the same amount Graham had, slightly less than Royal had. Was he really that big of a contributer for this regime?
by Todd Jewell on Apr 19, 2010 12:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I never had Schef valued higher than a 4th, though I was optimistic.
It is what it is….McD and the Patriot Way doesn’t like pass catching tight ends who can’t block….
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he wouldn't have liked
Shannon Sharpe either.
Hard to admit it, but fan favorites who were superstars in Shanny’s system aren’t necessarily superstars in NE’s… and vice versa. I hope the best for Tony, though. He was looking great for us when we had a system that used him.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 19, 2010 1:00 PM MDT up reply actions
Sharpe's blocking skills are WAY underrated....
but yeah, Sharpe was good in the Zone Blocking scheme, not the Power System
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Hugo, all of that offensive talent never finished higher than 16th in the NFL in scoring. Sixteenth! And that was for a coach whose playbook they fit. What exactly has been lost?
The Brian Griese-era Broncos consistently scored far more than the Cutler-Marshall-Scheffler teams. But people couldnt’ get Griese out of town fast enough, and nobody pines away for that offense. But the pass-wacky 2007-2008 teams, even though they were bad at scoring…. those are the teams nobody can get over. I get it: Those teams were riveting. But they weren’t good, they were just potentially good.
I’ve tried making this point before. Hopefully you get farther than I did …
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
I'm waiting to see
How the Orton, Gaffney, Knonshaun teams score.
At this point I just dont see it happening.
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The difference was the O-line.
Guys like Olandis Gary and Mike Anderson weren’t nessicarily better runners than Knowson. late-career Rod Smith and Ed McCaffery / Ashley Lelie weren’t better than Marshall and Royal and greise was not a better QB than Orton the difference is that the O-line was better 10 years ago. I don’t know if it was better talent, a better sceme, or possibly that back then zone blocking was more effective becuase the league hadn’t caught up to it, but back then the offense was able to control the pace of the game and control the clock. that’s not something that you can say for the last 4 seasons.
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by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 1:26 PM MDT up reply actions
Understood....
I actually am not pining for anything other than progress…like him or not, Cutler was the QB of the moment, as was Plummer before him, Griese before him…I am a Broncos fan….I saw flaws in all of these guys, but you used that phrase…“potentially good” which applied to the team fielded in Shanahan’s last year….I was ready to see Shanny go, and wasn’t entirely sold on Cutler, but describing a team as potentially good was simimlar to a team I watched in San Francisco led by a mid round QB from Notre Dame that went like 2-12….the rap was that team had potential…which made it exciting, and it paid off because that team went on to actually win several Super Bowls…I am sorry, I am NOT an Orton hater, but I am not sure the team this team is about to rise ot the top UNLESS McDaniels pulls off an epic draft, fills some gaping holes, and whips the whole thing into a cohesive unit in 12 -18 months time….right now, their potential lies in the fact that with a good draft they good be better…but I think if anything, they played up to or perhaps over their potential last year….
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Hugo
I like you’re thinking. You’re much more diplomatic then I am in you’re approach but we definitely think along the same lines.
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The offense was worse even than that
From the fourth game onward (in 2008), once the other teams figured out their offense, the Broncos were something like 27th in scoring.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Thats correct...
From Week 4 onwards the Broncos only averaged 17 points a game.
2 nd best offense?? You are kidding right??
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.
Thanks Sayre...that was me asking about your take on the new 5th...
I wonder if taking Edwards would put an end to the need of a Jacoby Ford, Dexter McCluster, Trindon Holliday type of hybrid threat?
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Damn I wish we still had the extra 7th.......
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"value"
It hard to get “value” for a player whom you don’t value (and other teams know this). Scheffler did not fit our scheme, cannot block and was suspended for attitude problems. We would have had to cut him because did not want to play for the Broncos. McD did a good job to get a high fifth for him.
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by kawikadave on Apr 19, 2010 1:11 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Wow
Judging by the comments MCX has never made a bad trade yet. Regardless of if Sheffler fit Denvers system or not he fit SOMEONE’s system and therefore had more value then a th round draft pick. This WAS a bad trade.
FOr all the people ripping on the Lions their new regime just fleeced another team into getting a ready to play player. They also got 3 draft picks for a useless Roy Williams and had by far the best draft of last year (which admittedly should happen when you have the first pick in this trade).
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I'd agree with that - with one exception
I didn’t like LeKevin Smith for a 5th rounder last year (and IIRC he’s been cut so it looks like I’m right). but I like all of McD’s trades other than that.
and as for calling Sheffler a ready to play player…. well, you’ve got to admit he’s had some injuries. what good is being ready to play now if he doesn’t make it through the season? look, I’m not trying to insult Scheffer, I think he’s a great receiver, with a ton of potential. I wanted him to realize that potential here as much as anyone else. But he’s injury plagued, plain and simple.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions
7th round vs 5th round
Here is the last couple years of 5th round and 7th round picks for the broncos.
2009: 5th-Kenny Mckinley, 7th- Blacke Schlueter
2008: 5th- Carlton Powell, Ryan Torain, 7th- Peyton Hillis, Josh Barrett
2007: None
2006: 5th- Chris Kuper
2005: 7th – Paul Ernster
2004: 5th- Jeff Shoate, 7th Matt Mauck, Brandon Miree, Badlee Van Pelt
So it doesn’t look like we will get much of anything other than Hillis in the 7th round the last couple of years. Other than Kuper though we have not done to well in the 5th either. I am not sure why people are having such a fit over losing the 7th rounder in this trade.
What about the Patsies' 5th and 7th rounders?
I know it’s a stretch, but if McD follows the Pats way….
Trying to watch Devs games at 4pm is a PitA.
Nevermind...
No names really stick out as gems, unless I’m forgetting about some O-liner or something…
Trying to watch Devs games at 4pm is a PitA.
The important thing is...the Patsies were dominant in rounds 1-3...
McD now has 6 of the first #137 picks…that’s better than having 6 in the entire draft. ;-)
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When you're drafting with the 1st pick of every round (Lions)
You damn well better have a good draft…I mean c’mon. And I dsagree with you that we got fleeced. But they did get utility, where we got potential. And the Roy Williams deal is mostly why Marshall went for a 2nd, not a 1st. Jerry Jones’s desire to change his team w/o TO has ultimately reset the value scale for trading WR’s in the NFL. Yeah, I know we all read about the JETS and the their 1st pick…but it didnt happen?
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Potential?
What potential did Denver get? A 5th rounder who may or may not make the roster? Detroit gets a player who will start from day 1.
Yes. Early returns are Detroit won this trade..
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With the exception of the presence of
Brandon Pettigrew, 1st round pick and infinitely better blocker, I agree he may start day 1. If that other guy wasn’t there.
I love that a guy who can’t even stay healthy enough to make it through the season as a back-up is some kind of huge loss.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
He wasnt on the field enough
To judge who will be the better long term player. Brandon has talent yes, but that talent needs to be realized.
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And Scheffler was?
What nagging injury didn’t Scheffler have? Surprises he wasn’t a giant scap.
BTW, Brandon started Day 1 in Detroit until he tore his ACL. That’s more of a sample size than we’ve gotten from Tony Scheffler in 4 years. Scheffler didn’t beat out Dan Graham under two different coaches. So at least Brandon has started.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
You could start on Detroit.
Seriously.. the cupboard on that team going into last year was extremely bare.
Casey Fitzsimmons (playing on his last legs) or Daniel Graham? Who do you seriously think is harder to beat out. Plus, Detroit is going with a youth movement across the board. So of course the rookie was going to start.
Seriously.. the cupboard on that team going into last year was extremely bare.
Casey Fitzsimmons (playing on his last legs) or Daniel Graham? Who do you seriously think is harder to beat out. Plus, Detroit is going with a youth movement across the board. So of course the rookie was going to start.Philly gets a former first rounder. Detroit gets a former 2nd rounder. Denver gets a 5th rounder?? And.. we throw in a 7th rounder on top of that. Please, add some salt to my wounds with the extra draft pick thrown in.
Seriously.. the cupboard on that team going into last year was extremely bare.
Casey Fitzsimmons (playing on his last legs) or Daniel Graham? Who do you seriously think is harder to beat out. Plus, Detroit is going with a youth movement across the board. So of course the rookie was going to start.Philly gets a former first rounder. Detroit gets a former 2nd rounder. Denver gets a 5th rounder?? And.. we throw in a 7th rounder on top of that. Please, add some salt to my wounds with the extra draft pick thrown in.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Again,
they have a 1st round pick who is a better blocker and younger player in Brandon Pettigrew.
The thought that Scheffler is gonna start is a little bit misguided. He’s gonna have to beat out Casey Fitzsimmons for the BACK-UP spot.
Brandon Pettigrew is the Detriot Lions starting TE.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
once again.. you're wrong
Casey Fitzsimmons retired.
Brandon Pettigrew is hurt. Even if he does start when healthy Detroit runs lots of two tight end sets. Detroit gets a player who should contribute. Denver gets a player who probably sits on the practice squad for two years.
offensive coordinator Scott Linehan loves using two tight ends; in Minnesota he made it work well with Jermaine Wiggins and Jim Kleinsasser. So I think this move was independent of Pettigrew’s long-term status
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/11611/quick-thoughts-on-sims-scheffler-trade
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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However
getting a pratice squad player is better than letting scheffler walk after we cut him after the draft… Jonnie Knox was 5th round pick last year The Broncos could get some value out of this pick
keep in mind, Scheffler's value is different to different teams.
In Denver, Scheffler didn’t get much action and wasn’t going to get much next year either. He wasn’t happy, and the coach wasn’t happy with him. in Detroit, He’ll get more action, and will likely be happier (healthier is a different question). This deal is a win-win.
Belief is accepting something because you’ve been convinced to do so, whether you like it or not. Faith is accepting something because you want to accept it.
by Hercules Rockefeller on Apr 19, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Tony will be very happy
His seasons will probably end quicker there :)
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by Darin H on Apr 20, 2010 6:30 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
HAHAHA....very funny!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Fitzsimmons retired last week
not to mess with your point, pettigrew will be their starter but scheffler will be the back up
Musta missed that big news wire.
But the fact remains Scheffler is still a bench player in Detroit.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
lol agreed
I read it in a story about the Scheffler trade and could not pick casy fitzsimmons out of a lineup if my life depended on it
Either way
I’m done arguing this point. It gets neither or us anywhere.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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i did not see detroit getting in on this trade....
…they just spent a first round pick last year on pettigrew….:\
Pettigrew tore his ACL late last season.
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
The thing about Scheff...
…is that he had a pretty reasonable number of targets, he was heavily featured a fair share of game plans, he posted his most career starts, and he was heavily used in the redzone (though without much success). Yet the guy still wasn’t happy. The reason for his discontent will forever be open to speculation (personality conflict, didn’t like to block, resented Cutlergate, etc), but I don’t know why some people figure Denver should have held him hostage. He’s never been the type of player you keep captive at all costs.
Take away the hype (or stop pretending that tools automatically translate to potential), and we basically just got a 5th rounder for Jeb Putzier with attitude issues. That’s a good thing in most circles.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 19, 2010 2:32 PM MDT reply actions 2 recs
Bus Cook being your agent has an effect, I think.
Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.
Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.
Hey that's not fair
Putz could take a licking and keep on ticking! He was a tough SOB.
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In hindsight...
….I was a little rough on Putz there.
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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 19, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
I laughed my bum off at work today. A coworker is a Lions fan. She comes blasting towards me at lunch...
“We got a 2nd string tight end from the Broncos?! I WANT YOUR TEAMS FRONT OFFICE! THEY CAN SCREW ANYONE!”
Which is basically how I feel about it too.
Comparing Michael Lombardi to Bill Williamson is like comparing an In-N-Out Cheeseburger to a sh## sandwich.
Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.
God Bless
Lions fans. Next to Broncos orange and blue, Honolulu blue is my favorite color
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Apr 19, 2010 4:12 PM MDT up reply actions
No judge would convict you
for beating the piss out of bus cook… The guys from the free credit report commercials would fall into that category as well
Nice - workin' on some new material?
That just cracked me up. Thanks Bill
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 8:08 PM MDT up reply actions
In Listening
to Philadelphia’s WIP online, the afternoon drivetime show is abuzz with Ernie Sims coming to Philly. It appears the Lions will love Scheffler and we’ll love whatever we get in terms of draft selections so everyone wins. How often can you say that in a trade?
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Apr 19, 2010 4:11 PM MDT reply actions
could this deal be part of a bigger picture?
Maybe they helped us, and we will help the Eagles trade up on Thursday?
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
maybe
but i doubt it… if by bigger picture you mean us moving back into the first round using #137 and other picks I could see it
found this link on Buc Em. Estimating sacks
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/nfl-draft/2010/introducing-sackseer
Both Moss and Ayers are on the list a poorest performers.
"3 and Out Baby" I ride the short bus!
Estimating sacks?
I’d estimate that Ayers has way more sack than Moss.
"People who live in glass houses...shouldn't."
by jayrockstone on Apr 19, 2010 5:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Pretty disheartening
to see 3 of Denver’s picks at the bottom of the list.
Not surprised, just disheartening…
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
RIP Barrel Man - 12/5/09
by DesertBroncoFan on Apr 19, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions
How to dismantle a team....
I don’t know what Kool-Aid most of the peeps on this site have been drinking, but McHoodie has done NOTHING positive since he’s become coach of the Broncos. We were the #2 offense in the league two years ago with a franchise talent at QB and one of the best #1 receivers in the league just starting to come into their own and we ship ‘em out, good call. Young franchise QB’s and #1 receivers are a dime a dozen, right!?! Then we sign Mike Nolan who only improves our D and team as a whole and he bails because he can’t get along with McDouche. Isn’t it your job as a head coach to coach different players and personalities and make it work!?! It seems like McD is a “dick-tater” who goes by the ‘ol “my way or the highway approach” and it’s destroying a once promising team. While we’re at it why don’t we get rid of Dumervil as well, I’m sure we could get at least a 4th-or 5th rounder!?! As for draft picks; yeah, we have a bevy of picks, but McD hasn’t shown he can draft a lick, and even if we do get some quality players, they still won’t have the impact Marshall, Cutler, or even Scheff had for at least a couple seasons. It just seems like we were a few players away from being a really strong team and we just imploded the entire thing. I wonder what vets like Champ and Orton think about these moves, I would be PISSED, but I’m sure you know that already. For anyone who disagrees with me, please, indulge me and give me a reason for optimism because it looks like we’re right back in “re-building” mode and we’re a long way from sniffing the playoffs anytime soon.
I couldn
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 19, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Sorry, I couldn't disagree more.
But I’m not interested in arguing with you. LOL
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 19, 2010 6:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Now you're in trouble..
Don’t you know the rules?
Rule #1 I shall not talk bad about McDaniels.
Rule #2 I shall not talk bad about Orton.
Rule #3 I shall not talk bad about any of Denver’s trades.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
No....its that shall not rehash total BS that has been proven wrong over a 1000 times on this website....another knuckle head that believes we were the No 2 offense under SHanny. Lost me as being a legitimate post after that!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
by boydy2669 on Apr 19, 2010 6:40 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Not to mention
…that this guy is brand new and has only written 1 post ever.
Oops, I mentioned it.
Obvious troll.
Trying to watch Devs games at 4pm is a PitA.
Consider this...
Mcdaniels has a very specific blueprint in his mind for what he believes it will take to build a winning franchise year in and year out. Many of the components he inherited did not fit his blueprint ie a QB who can’t read coverage, a TE who can’t block and unfortunately a me-first WR.
You can certainly question the blueprint and are entitled to denounce, mispronounce and specualte negatively at will. That’s the really cool part about this site. As long as you can make valid points that are supported with somne form of logic you can usually get a robust conversation in play. The Mc name calling is generally frowned upon though as it is usually an indicator of an extreme bias and the inability to consider other peoples perspectives.
For the most part the consensus here seems to be that Mcdaniels is not an idiot, does have a very specific plan in mind to build a team and are willing to give him 3 years to to see if it’s a good plan. Considering his football background i’d be reluctant to make definitive statements as they may be hard to take back later. For every single point you make in your post there is a valid and substantiated counterpoint. Take Scheffler for example, some believe that he was an awesome TE worth at least a 3rd round pick, The problem is 31 other teams disagree.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Apr 19, 2010 6:48 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
How does anyone stay warm without a neckbeard?
by neckbeard's nephew on Apr 19, 2010 8:11 PM MDT up reply actions
I have lost track
of how many times I have read this ignorant nonsense about us being the #2 offense in the league in 2008. Do you really consider yards more important than points? In terms of the latter we were 16th, not 2nd, and from the 4th week onward we were actually in the bottom 10, 27th I think. GET OVER IT. It was an exciting offense, but it was piss poor when it came to converting yards into points. Can you say “poor in clutch situations”? I can. And McDaniels’ supposed track record of not being able to draft well spans how many drafts and how much preparation time? That’s right, one draft and about four months. Naturally, you forgot to mention his savvy free-agent pickups because that somehow doesn’t fit your point. As for your insulting reference to McD’s name you can shove it. I’m tired of malcontents who can’t refer to McDaniels without turning his name into a verbal sneer. You want reason for optimism? How about considerable upgrades and a consequent increase in depth at all three defensive line positions, which addresses our biggest need?
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
by spock on Apr 19, 2010 7:25 PM MDT up reply actions 17 recs
Not that you weren't entirely thorough
But – the biggest picture of it all, that it’s hilarious to see so many people blaitanltly miss;
Is McDaniels did exactly as good/bad as the coach that he replaced. For any first year coach (let alone following Shannahan, being known as a QB coach coming into Elway’s town), that is hard to view as such a drastically horrible beginning of a career.
Can we say super – high – expectations?
LoL – and great comment spock, surprised I wasn’t the fifth or more rec.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 8:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Listen … please stop trying to confuse people with facts :-)
+1
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
OK.....
I can’t add much to Spock’s reaction, but in response to your implied question, i think Champ, Orton, not to mention Dawkins and the other veteran leaders were pulling for Marshall and Scheff to be traded. After all, it was in part their expression of concern to the coach that got them benched in week 16 anyway. They were, by many accounts, not team players. So I think the team leaders, the hard workers, and the guys with the ethics to WIN as a team have answered your question before it was asked.
Reasons for optimism: No reasons for pessimism.
Talk to me AFTER the season is over. If we go 4-12, I’ll concede. But if we’re closer to 12-4, you owe me! LOL
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Considering that the locker room cheered when Marshall was traded
And that the captains requested that McD take action against Brandon and Tony, I think that you can infer their feelings from those actions.
It all starts with the lines
Skins picked up Torain...
Not related to this, but interesting nonetheless. It’ll be interesting to see whether he excels there or just ends up on the operating table again.
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
Shanny has it bad for that guy.
I always wanted to see Torain actually play a game. He was with us for 2 years and played what, 6 snaps between injuries?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Well, it is official now.
I am kind of bummed because I really liked Scheffler and was hoping he would work out in McDaniels’ sysytem……oh well, some players are better in some systems than others. On the other hand the thing that bugged me was his constant injuries. I mean he was doing fine then something would happen.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
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For everyone who trashed my post due to me being a rook poster or whatever your reasoning, I pose these questions to you: How has getting rid of Cutler, B Marsh and Scheff improved our team? What assistants from the Belechick coaching tree have had success as head coaches in the NFL? If the answers are in the draft, whom should we pick? I’m not getting on McD because I’m some delusional Shanny fanatic, it just seems replacing Pro Bowlers with middle of the road journeymen isn’t a recipe for success.
Pro Bowlers? Thats a popularity contest....
How did getting rid of them harm our team? it did not. Even with Marshall 300 catches we NEVER won the play offs, yet we won 2 Super Bowls with 2 undrafted free agents in McCaffery and Smith who were TRUE team players.
SCheffler? Drops more balls than what he is worth and could not block my 80 year old mother.
Cutler? The same QB that led the Bears to 7-9 with 26 interceptions. Oh, and to think that Orton led the same team, with LESS weapons to 9-7 and was 5 seconds from going to the play offs the year before.
So, welcome to the board, but you need to bring some facts to the table Champ…..because what you have brought is MSM nonsense that will anyone on this board will shred.
Orton out performed Cutler.
Marshall is a possession WR with no deep threat ability (though a very good possession reciever).
Scheffler is not even one of the Top 10 TE in the game.
So I am struggling to see your reasoning.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Yeah, Tom Brady and Peyton Manning make the Pro Bowl because they’re so popular, you’ve got to be kidding me…I loved Eddie Mac and Rod Smith, but there were a couple other guys on that team as well by the names of Elway, Davis, Atwater, Smith, Mobley, Sharpe, just to name a few….watch the NFL network and see what Jaime Dukes, Mike Mayock and oh yeah, a guy named Rod Woodson had to say about these moves. They were ALL scratching their heads and they know a thing or two about football. I love the Broncos and will always support the team but I also won’t follow blindly and bite my tongue. Go Broncos!!!
by cdubs22 on Apr 19, 2010 8:06 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
David Garrard and Vince Young
by Warren Todd on Apr 19, 2010 8:11 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
you may not be following blindly...
but you appear to be criticizing blindly. When you look at the relevant stats, you’ll see that there is thought, reason, and a plan behind what McDaniels is doing. Feel free to be critical of McD, by all means. But to yell and scream and call names while not providing analysis to support your argument is not productive.
Do I think McD has handled everything perfectly? No. Do I think he has a plan? Yes. Will that plan work? Maybe. The point is, one 8-8 season is not enough to judge McDaniels on. I honestly expected the team to be 6-10 or worse last year given that McD was in his rookie year and the lack of talent across the board, so from that perspective, I have hope. Please don’t take this as an attack but rather constructive criticism. MHR is always welcoming new members, but a certain amount of decorum is expected. Thanks!
How does anyone stay warm without a neckbeard?
by neckbeard's nephew on Apr 19, 2010 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
You lost me at Jamie Dukes.... LOL
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Apr 19, 2010 9:23 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Don't worry about the trashers
You are entitled to your opinion. So are the kool-aid drinkers. Always fun to mix it up. Just so you know, there are plenty of others on this board that are not completely sold on McD. Many, like myself, have big doubts, but we are huge fans and as always, hope for the best. So we have downgraded at QB, WR and TE. Truth is, the old crowd wasn’t exactly winning the Super Bowl. Let’s give McD 3 or 4 years and see how it works out.
by The Wad on Apr 19, 2010 7:21 PM MDT up reply actions 8 recs
Very nice comment man!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
EXCELLENT point. Rec'd
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Very good point!
I am also “not sold” on McD but I really like this draft class and I see us getting some good options here in the 5th.
Bronco fan since 1973 (the day I was born)..
by timmaybronco on Apr 19, 2010 9:39 PM MDT up reply actions
It’s a good comment – except the downgrading at QB part. Not an Orton apologist – but he outplayed Cutler last year. We’ll see this year.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
That's better cdubs
No Mcisms and some fair questions. No one can speak to the replacement value of BM and Tony since we haven’t realized the picks yet. As for JC that’s a lighning rod topic here, time will tell us more but if last year is an indicator we substantially upgraded the team by trading him. C’mon 2 firsts and a QB that outperformed him statistically and in the W column, not to mention a team first attitude. That’s easy. As for what other Bchick assistants have done? I think it’s an irrelevant question, if nothing else, like him or hate him, Josh has proven that he’s his own man. As for your other assertions see Spock and Boydy’s comments they make excellent points that you really should consider instead of just buying into the MSM party line.
"as in football so in life"
by asinsoin on Apr 19, 2010 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Nicely put
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 8:22 PM MDT up reply actions
Once I see a shred of evidence of the team falling apart
because of getting rid of the aforementioned few, I will retain my optimistic hopes for righteousness. ( =
Plus – though they operated in different systems – I liked what I saw from Orton last year much more than what I saw from Cutler. Does that actually need to be worded any other way?
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 19, 2010 8:21 PM MDT up reply actions
It SEEEMS like replacing Pro-Bowlers with middle-of-the-road Journeymen
isn’t a recipe for success, but things are not always what they seem. Regarding the coaching tree argument, Weis, Crennel, etc. were never fully in charge of the offense. McD was in charge of the greatest offense in NFL history. But that is still not sufficient proof that he will excel. BB gave McD a ringing endorsement, including that he thought McD was fully ready for the head coaching job. Again, alone, this fact is not proof McD will be a successful HC.
The bottom line is, no one knows. This will be a telling season. I’m not going to jump on the “hate McDaniels” bandwagon because I disagree with some of his moves. He knows a hell of a lot more about football, and has access to far more information than any of us, and we try to question him. By listening to the talking heads on NFLN, you are getting snippets of ill-informed opinions from people who keep 1/32 of an ear on each team. The wires are always getting crossed, and no one by the guys at Dove Valley has all the information to make an informed judgment on the virtue of the Broncos player decisions. Don’t forget: ESPN and NFLN are media outlets, which means they are funded by advertising dollars, which means the MORE SENSATIONAL the story, the more money they get. Truth is secondary to juice. This site is run by people who desire, above all, a true accounting of the goings-on of the Denver Broncos. I find it FAR more illuminating. There is no agenda here, regardless of what people might think about the “bashers” or the “Kool-Aiders.” We are all looking for the best information about our beloved team.
As for me, McDaniels is the head coach of the Broncos, and I will stand behind his decisions until he’s no longer the coach. I may not understand his decisions, or agree with them, but what do I know? What does any of us know? Let’s buckle up, enjoy the draft, see what these new players bring to 2010, and GO BRONCOS!
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
by HarvJNep2n on Apr 19, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
Yes it has improved our team
And really if you don’t get why I am not going to waste my time trying to educate you. It has been stated and restated repeatedly on the site why these moves are an improvement.
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I didn't trash you for being a rook poster
I reacted to the poor logic and the boorish McDouche reference, which I’m truly tired of. The only relevance of your being a rookie poster is that if you had spent more time reading posts before jumping in you might have discovered that gratuitous name-calling is not appreciated here. As for Cutler being a pro bowler, consider that he beat out Rivers who had a QB rating of 105.5, the best in the league that year (2008), while Cutler’s 86.0 was 16th best. Cutler being picked was due to his yardage total, the result of us throwing on almost every down, and the glamour of his rocket arm and swashbuckling image. Marshall is a legitimate all pro even when you consider that he was targeted so much, because as his defenders have pointed out his being thrown to that much meant our opponents knew where the ball was going. But losing him wasn’t an unmitigated disaster because he’s a possession receiver not a field stretcher. At any rate it was a matter of drastically overpaying him (not the way to build a team, even if you don’t consider character issues) or letting him go, and the Broncos got better value for him than anyone could have reasonably expected. Scheffler I’ve always wanted to like but as somebody else pointed out he’s lazy, which might explain why he spent so much time in McDaniels’ and Shanahan’s doghouse and failed to develop enough blocking skills to show that he was at least trying.
Yet the post-Cutler Broncos were arguably better if you go by points differential, and the won-lost would have reflected it if Cutler hadn’t been handed a gratuitous win by a referee’s acknowledged error. And consider this. In 2008 the Broncos had a very good offensive line. In 2009 two of those players hit the age wall and a third went down with an injury. So three-fifths of our offensive line went kablooey, we traded away a “pro bowl” quaterback, and the 2009 Broncos were still at least as good and arguably a little better than their immediate predecessors. I don’t know about you but that fact coupled with McDaniels’ savvy free-agent signings gives me reason for optimism rather than despair.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
Food for thought
B-Marsh was drafted in the 4th round 119th over all in 2006. We got a 5th rd #137 for Sheff
in a much better/deeper draft class. Sounds good to me!
Bronco fan since 1973 (the day I was born)..
Didn't say that
No, just trying to shed some light on this..Sheeesh!
Bronco fan since 1973 (the day I was born)..
Can't wait for the draft
You’ve all made some good points and I’m down to wait it out and see how things pan out, I just get a little bit emotional about the team at times and it gets the best of me… I can’t wait for Thursday to see what we’re going to do with our picks!!! Go Broncos!!!!
by cdubs22 on Apr 20, 2010 10:17 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
That's the spirit
When push comes to shove we all have something in common. We love the Broncos and want them to be great.
"Surprised to see you, Captain, though pleased." — from Star Trek episode Space Seed.
+100 mate! All Broncos fans!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
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