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FINAL MOCK

he rules are fairly simple; all selections are made from a Big Board (because I control the decision and can make them contemporaneously -- in other words, no going back to change picks nor going forward to see who's available). The source of the Big Board is CBS DraftScout, because it's more accurate. Only players who appear on the Big Board at  corresponding number for our pick can be selected.

Needs. I've written volumes on this, so I won't reiterate everything here now. Most everyone has an idea so I don't think I need to elaborate on previous discussions. In any case, I'll address this in the discussion after each pick.

A final note -- I haven't looked at CBS lately but I have a pretty good idea of where they rate players. This fact is not unlike our actual war room decision-making process so there is fidelity with the actual process. I have certain ideas about availability of players and will explain that decision making process in the discussion after picks.

Star-divide

1) - #11  Dan Williams - DT - (reach: 2)

-- DISCUSSION: Alternates were Earl Thomas (CB/S), Rolando McClain (ILB), Maurkice Pouncey (OC) and Mike Iupati (OG). The BPA values are fairly close so there's an argument to make for picking on positional need alone. They rank: #14, #13 -- Willams, #11, #17 & #20 respectively.

~~ REASONING: BPA rankings don't adequately convey positional value. The DT position has more value, although there's still an argument to be made concerning William's ability. Developmental considerations play a part in this pick. We need to start grooming DLs now while there's a group of veterans to groom him under. There's also reason to suspect that Jamal Williams may be prone to injury. A final consideration is the impact value of NT versus the DL in general. D-Will also projects as a possible DE34 so he holds value at more than one position.

~~ CONCERNS: Chris Baker could be a casualty but it appears he may be moving to DE, which is another reason to reinforce NT. Also -- I wouldn't be opposed to trading either up or down.

2a) - #43 - Vladimir Ducasse - OT/OG - (reach 6)

-- DISCUSSION: There wasn't as much to pick from here as I expected. I was hoping to find help at WR and willing to entertain certain other positions and players but there wasn't any prospects that I was worried about losing before the next pick. Alternates included Terrance Cody (NT) and Tyson Alualu (DE34).

~~ REASONING: I don't think picking an interior-OL needs explanation, and he's projected as an OG in this decision. Ducasse is a raw prospect but he ranks very high on character and work ethic. There's a slim chance he could eventually backup RT, too, although I didn't put any weight on this factor.

~~ CONCERNS: I worry about his Ducasse's ability to pull and get to the second level.

2b) - #45 - Damian Williams - WR - (reach 5)

-- DISCUSSION: The need is clear but I don't want to make any pick merely because he's next on the list. Damian Williams fits our scheme well so he wasn't chosen only because he's the BPA at WR. Alternatives include Koa Misi (OLB) and Arrelious Benn (WR).

~~ REASONING: As stated, there's a little more here than taking a WR because Marshall is gone. Damian Williams is a strong route runner and would seem to fit the profile for WRs in our system. He appears to do everything well while not standing our at anything in particular. KR is also on his resume, which helps him.

~~ CONCERNS: I'm a little leery of USC wideouts. There's a strong hint of 2nd best here since Demaryius Thomas was preferred here along with Golden Tate. The fear is that it could be the wrong WR choice for a situation in which there are many other choices.

3) - #80 - Ben Tate - RB - (reach 7)

-- DISCUSSION: It just dawned on me that the decision making process used in this exercise doesn't favor reaching so I need to explain that Centers weren't anywhere in the vicinity when this pick was made. I like this as a  pick and it fits the positional consideration reasonably well -- that is, for power RB -- although I have questions about his suitability there. Alternatives consisted of Ed Dickson (TE) and Ricky Sapp (OLB). 

~~ REASONING: The opening exists and a power back can have an immediate impact in our offense. Impact is partly a positional trait so RB or playmaker (either at WR or at RB) would meet the criteria of immediate impact. Toby Gerhart would also fit here because of his utility as a one-back and a power RB, but he wasn't available.

~~ CONCERNS: Pass blocking and pass catching are concerns along with concerns over utility as a FB.

4) - #114 - Zane Beadles - OG/OC - (reach 17)

~~ DISCUSSION: Positional considerations are paramount at this point but the Big Board isn't cooperating so I took Beadles as an OC because many analysts believe that's where he belongs. Alternatives are Ted Larson (OC) and J. D. Walton (OC), who's a surprisingly big reach here.

~~ REASONING: We need someone to play Center, OK? I like many other prospects at this point but it doesn't matter. A real decision-making process wouldn't suffer from the defect in this one, which strongly favors BPA. Beadles is actually highly regarded in some circles so this pick will seem surprising to laypeople and not to analysts. Waiting till 'later' to pick an OC will raise some eyebrows but that's exactly what we may do.

~~ CONCERNS: The switch to Center is the biggest. What isn't a big a concern is picking Beadles over the others, although I can't provide a strong argument against switching to another Center prospect as the choice. I believe Beadles may actually be the better Center prospect, so don't be surprised if he goes sooner.

5) - #137 - Alterraun Verner - CB/KR - (reach 5)

-- DISCUSSION: Position was a big part of this pick although he wasn't a reach. Alternatives are many, but the most important ones are Emmanual Sanders (WR), Riley Cooper (WR) and Jamar Chaney (ILB). Chaney might be the actual pick by McX but I went with what I thought.

~~ REASONING: Verner is the type of CB that McDaniels likes and he's also a real KR. There's a lot that can be said for making this pick.

~~ CONCERNS: Not taking an ILB is the biggest one. There's a lot of available prospects that could fill one of our needs so it would make sense to trade down earlier in the draft and fill more needs.

6) - #183 - A. J. Edds - OLB - (reach 17)

-- DISCUSSION; I went outside rather than inside but I feel better about Edds in terms of skill set. Alternative was Travis Goethel - ILB. Might be able to slide inside.

~~ REASONING: He's good in pass coverage and is probably advanced due to his IU coaching. LBs are expected to do everything at IU so I feel comfortable about what he adds even though he's not an ILB. I'd prefer adding a LB who adds something besides run stopping ability and I've advocated this argument before. I think we can find an ILB through other means if the draft plays out unfavorably.

~~ CONCERNS: Mostly on his athletic ability.

SUMMARY OF PICKS:

1) - Dan William (DT)

2a) - Vladimir Ducasse (OG)

2b) - Damian Williams (WR)

3) - Ben Tate (RB)

4) - Zane Beadles (OC)

5) - Alterraun Verner (CB/KR)

6) - A. J. Edds (OLB)

 

FINAL DISCUSSION --

I'm happy with the picks. I pay careful attention to spreading the pick around, but this also makes me wonder if we might be finding more picks to address more areas. I can imagine the furor it would create if traded next year's #2 for the picks to a few more players but I think we're very close to being able address every need area.

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Decent, can't argue with any of the pick

Probably not the sexy draft people want, but solid

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by Broncoman on Apr 20, 2010 11:28 PM MDT reply actions  

This is well written and defended with solid logic. That said, this draft would leave me feeling depressed.

Williams was a one year wonder last year and doesn’t fill an immediate need or project as a future star like other guys (Pouncey, McClain, Haden, Iupatit whom are all far and away the best player at their respective positions)

Ducasse is raw and would not provide much value in 2010. A lot of upside, but may not do much of anything in year 1. He may never turn that rawness into anything NFL useful. Unfortunately, Denver has some very real and very pressing issues and this cat doesn’t address them with a premium pick.

I like the Williams pick.

None of the later picks excite me either, but smart GMs star in the mid rounds, not arm chair QBs… so my IMO is not worth jack squat on those issues.

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Apr 20, 2010 11:35 PM MDT reply actions  

the logic

Dan Williams might give way to another pick. The board doesn’t favor him against McClain or Pouncey although the positional impact consideration does — but it still depends on who you like.

Haden is unavailable.

Ducasse is a poor man’s version of Iupati but both are raw. This pick is contingent on the first and we can’t take more than one of the three available 1st round players anyways. It’s definitely a long-term choice but it’s justified under BPA. You can argue with the Big Board but that’s a limitation with the exercise, and there’s always a limitation of this type since the players you like are often absent in the real draft, too.

I haven’t found a way of re-working the exercise that still gives pick discipline, and I strongly dislike wish lists. Opinions vary greatly on some of the mid-rounders you (apparently) dislike. Mayock rates Beadles in his top 5 OGs/OCs, and I give him some credence. MUG, a knowledgeable poster on BC, likes Verner, and he fits our profile for CBs so well that I have to believe McDaniels would be interested.

There’s indications that I get from running the exercise that we’ll be very open to moving. Picks often have positional logic behind them but I"m most sensitive to time of develop issue. I don’t know if they’ll be as concerned with immediate impact as you but agree that it’s an issue. My feeling on the Ducasse pick is any prospect may take time to develop, so it’s easy to exaggerate the differences. The desideratum on him was based on potential, but I could see them going a different route, too.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 12:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

Like the Ducasse pick

The Williams pick? Not so much. Also, while I think that a Haggan/Larsen/Woodyard combo can handle ILB, I suspect McX is targeting a guy like Weatherspoon who can be an every down backer. After all, he passed on Rey Rey last year, and he let Andra Davis go — both of whom are essentially 2-down guys.

I keep trying to envision a scenario where we wind up with Pouncey and Iupati, but the more I think about it, the more I suspect that we’ll wind up with one of those two guys and Ducasse sandwiched around either a versatile ILB linebacker, a wide receiver, or a DLineman, depending on who is still available in the low 40s (and on whom McX has rated highest on their board. Tyson Alualu? Cody? Benn? Is it possible Weatherspoon is still around?)

And of course, the wildcard in the second round at 40-45 is Tebow. I wouldn’t like the pick, but then, I am not an accomplished QB scout, and opinions on him seem to vary widely — from Mayock who has him as the 3rd QB, to McShay, who thinks he shouldn’t go until at least the 3rd round — and who doesn’t project him as an NFL starter).

Interesting times.

by JeffG on Apr 21, 2010 9:13 AM MDT up reply actions  

Oops

Meant the other Sean.

by JeffG on Apr 21, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Dan Williams a one year wonder?

What’s so wrong with that? He got coached up by Monte Kiffin, and blossomed. Showed his ability. Besides, he weighed 357 when he was a freshman, and in the 340’s the next two years. Last year he played at 320 something.

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by bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

I’m always worried about one year wonders. I value consistency quite highly though which is why I’m so down on Royal. One good year does not a career make. Does it?

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Apr 21, 2010 12:37 PM MDT up reply actions  

"One good year does not a career make. Does it?"

Nope. A career amkes a career. I understand your concern, but based on what I said above, I’ll overlook the one year thing in Williams case. This guy could be a great NT for years to come, and with the switch to 3-4 by so many teams, they are going to be hard to find. But we’ll see.

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by bradley on Apr 21, 2010 12:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

Colinski

Do you have inside information regarding Baker moving to DE?
I am leery of USC WR’s too, but I think pick #45 could get us a decent Receiver.
and I’m in favor of the Verner selection.
Considering the picks I mocked last year, this is as viable as anything I can think up.
My opinion ain’t worth jack either.

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by KaptainKirk on Apr 20, 2010 11:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Wow - 307?

Where did you find that, ‘Ski? I’d like to add the link – the denverbroncos.com still has him at 327. It would appear that they are interested in him at DE/DG if that’s where his weight it

If that’s really his weight, it would also appear that he’s become a charter member of Rich Tuten’s House of Pain. Welcome to the pros, young man ;-)

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by Doc Bear on Apr 21, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

Colinski..are you sure about this?

I can find no information on this at all.

Now we do know that Marcus Thomas has dropped his weight down to the 307 range. Could you have the two players mixed up?

by DLMyers on Apr 21, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

also, on MOCKS

I don’t view them as predictions, and there’s little chance of predicting much after minor alterations scramble later picks. It’s like predicting a rubber ducky race. And the interactive nature of picks makes for an indeterminate outcome. Teams’ beliefs about what other teams will do spur them to anticipate and take players earlier than they might normally. The draft might pattern more closely to the Big Board if only a few teams drafted but the infrequency of picks forces teams to reach or lose players. It’s a messy scenario.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 12:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

Noted

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 21, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

great mock. like your draft analysis

I remember you had some good stuff last year as well and this doesn’t disappoint. A lot of the same names people are putting out there. So much it seems is going to depend on availabliity and who goes where as well. I would love your draft…..completely. The only pick I don’t like is Ben Tate. I think we could take a runner at that pick but only someone that falls who could be special, like Gerhart or maybe Hardesty in the 4th.

I didn’t know much about Beadles except a lot of teams worked him out. He seems like a great pick. I hope we can get him. He is a guy that could play some OT it seems, possibly.

Based on what I’ve read, I could see Beadles, Edds, and Verner all going before where you spot ‘em. It’ll be tricky and I hope they don’t get antsy pants like it seems they did last year as we got past the 1st rd.

by BideshiBronco on Apr 20, 2010 11:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Tate, etc.

Tate is the only big back at that range but I can understand why you would go with Gerhart. I can’t see going with either Hardesty or Gerhart in the 2nd, so it’s a lot like a real draft in that I didn’t know who would be available. I have to pick amongst available players. I wouldn’t say that I was stuck on him (as I say), but there’s justification for taking a power back this early if we like him.

I’ve meant to comment on Beadles since he’s received so much attention, and we missed him in the analysis here. Some people would think I’m nuts but the Big Board agrees with me (or me with it) and I explain that pick as a BPA pick for OC so people will know why it’s made and decide if they like the logic.

If all the late players are going earlier then I’ve done a good job. If I consistently beat the Big Board then I’ve shown that I’m better at predicting teams’ preferences, and their behavior is the gold standard (or most accurate opinion). It’s also important to measure the totality of my picks. My picks last year where consistently better than any Big Board, too (I examine the actual draft and compare my MOCKs to it).

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

Beadles?

CBS has Tennant at 115. Do you like Beadles over Tennant, or are you assuming he’s gone at this point (4th round)?

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by bradley on Apr 21, 2010 10:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

This draft isn't pretty,

but I think it’s what we need. Only issue is possibly leaving that center spot vacant. Could be a problem unless everyone is comfortable that our starting OC and LG are on the roster already.

Just make it Thursday already! I'm wasting too much time

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by LynchtheD on Apr 21, 2010 2:38 AM MDT reply actions  

Beadles is projected as an OC

I don’t think there’s any problem with moving him there, and many teams are viewing him as belonging on the inside. He clearly fits the ‘smart’ OC mold as an engineering major with a 3.52 GPA.

The issue at OG is remain unless we find another vet. Neither Iupati or Ducasse are ready, and I’m not sure about the fit for some of the other prospects. I’m comfortable with the idea of drafting John Jerry but I don’t see enough short-term advantage in deferring on Ducasse. I’d prefer getting the right player and waiting for him to develop, if necessary. Ducasse is very raw but he’s exactly the right kind of player.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 8:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

I just get the feeling that Coach Barone and Wylie like the current players available to them. Like Dustin Fry, Matt McChesney, Seth Olsen, because there was not any activity in FA and these guys are not small.
I really do not see them picking up a late FA either, costly and old.

by DLMyers on Apr 21, 2010 10:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Ya with limited activity along the front

I can only assume they have guys who they’re comfortable with. If not…oh boy would be a long season.

Just make it Thursday already! I'm wasting too much time

Fans don't boo nobodies.

by LynchtheD on Apr 21, 2010 12:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ya I mean I know nothing that goes on behind the doors of dove valley

so I was basically saying it’s feasible if we have some of the guys in house. I like Ducasse too, but I don’t see him as a starter this year. I like the possibility of having him around for a year having him possibly be insurance and then taking over the reigns in 2011. Of course I’d also love to see Olsen start would at least solve some problems if he could play Center this year great if not I’m happy with LG just want more of those guys from last years draft to be able to step up and play.

Just make it Thursday already! I'm wasting too much time

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by LynchtheD on Apr 21, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Think I would've gone Micah Johnson as the ILB if available in 7th...

And perhaps Mitch Petrus in the 4th over Zane. Mitch is strong as an ox, played FB/TE at Ark before becoming OG. I believe he could play C as well. He is very athletic. So his versatility makes him a bit more valuable. Imagine a goal to goal with a 315lb FB leading the way.

Great mock! I really like Dan Williams if he’s there @ 11…

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by Hogblog on Apr 21, 2010 3:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Great mock, Colinksi!

Personally, I’d swap Tate for Sapp and take Walton next. Reach be damned — I do like Beadles, but I think I’d prefer a true C. But then we’re left with no RB… Hm. Plus, I am leery of Williams in the second for some reason. It’s completely irrational, but there it is. I think there will be a couple of good WR options there, so no worries.

by BroncosBassist on Apr 21, 2010 5:10 AM MDT reply actions  

I have a feeling

Mcx isnt going to draft a receiver high

by Pmoreno95 on Apr 21, 2010 6:55 AM MDT via mobile reply actions  

my guess was a WR in the 2nd

It’s a somewhat dense region although differences are slight, and there are a lot of size/speed combinations available throughout the draft.

I’m drawn to the conversion projects — Joe Webb and Armanti Edwards. They’ll go in the middle rounds and I can see the attraction that McDaniels would have for their wildcat possibilities.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 7:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks

I always look forward to your draft input.

I think this would be very solid. I’m not wild about USC prospects— its a bias I can’t quite explain— but they rarely seem to match the pre-draft hype. Williams sounds good, but I can’t help but wonder how much of that is a the inevitable program multiplier.

I think a legitimate sleeper at #43/#45 is Rob Gronkowski.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 7:12 AM MDT reply actions  

re: TE

I predicted we’d draft a TE but the story is just too few picks. I pondered adding a couple selections to this draft in the 5th and proposing that we would trade our 2nd from Miami. I decided against it but not because I dislike the idea.

TE is the first addition (or one of) that I would make. It’s a bumper crop and it’s hard to see us not finding one as our BPA at some point. I didn’t feel comfortable pulling the trigger in this MOCK because their attributes are so mixed. Late prospects look too rough and early prospects are often weak in blocking. I’ve stated that whoever it is should come out of the power forward mold, but it’s easier to say that than find values who fit that mold. I’m not comfortable drafting a TE early and passing on an OL in the impact/contributer range.

I could see Anthony McCoy falling so low that we’d take a chance on him..

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 7:54 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gronkowski just seems to have the McD mix...

Very good blocker with soft hands, enough athleticism to line up outside, enough speed to threaten the seam, and the intangibles package. The Pats, while McD was there, spent a lot of early picks on TEs, so its clearly a position that is more valued in the system than the popular spin around here. Graham, Watson and Thomas were not simply valued as blockers when they were drafted.

I’ve never bought the idea that McD didn’t want to utilize Scheffler. I think he tried very hard to utilize him. Scheffler just couldn’t or wouldn’t contribute adequately in all phases, and he wasn’t always dependable in either the effort or hands department. While I don’t necessarily expect the Broncos to go in that direction early, It wouldn’t surprise me one bit.

I’d be kind of excited about Gornkowski, too— although the back issue wipes a little shine off the guy.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions  

the stenosis issue is a red flag

He’s everything we want but would we go TE in the 2nd, and one with medical concerns? Injury concerns aren’t much of a deterrence for McDaniels but the 2nd is still early. I’ll stick to my prediction that we’ll take a TE but I can’t get a read on when. I still hope for another trade to give us a few more picks.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 8:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

More picks would be nice.

This is such an intriguing draft. I can’t wait…

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector

by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 8:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

I read a report yestereday that conflicted with the issue of stenosis

I have no idea which report is true, but yesterday’s claimed that the report was available for other NFL teams.

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by Doc Bear on Apr 21, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

that's why I let the medical people decide

We still haven’t heard how Crohn’s disease could be disproved rather than merely not confirmed, which is what the NFL.com & Casserly report appeared to claim.

I can’t speak knowledgeably about the medical issues but because of my interest in agnotology i have insights into why ‘information’ received at this point in time deserves scrutiny. And that applies equally to both reports on Gronkowski.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

No argument

It’s always possible that any diagnosis is inaccurate and the new tests did come back negative. And, as you say, info at this time of year is, ahem, fungible?

It all starts with the lines

by Doc Bear on Apr 22, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Huh? All three USC LBs surpassed the pre-draft hype in 2009. Cushing and Matthews look like future All Pros. The WRs? not so much, but USC has placed some awesome NFL players in the last few years.

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Apr 21, 2010 7:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's true...

I can’t argue those points at all.

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector

by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 8:02 AM MDT up reply actions  

If he's a one year wonder

It was a good year to do so. He overcame a lot of doubt by performing at a high level with Barkley at QB

A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.

by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 21, 2010 7:37 AM MDT up reply actions  

Gerard Warren picked a great season to be a one year wonder in 2005. It is always risky when guys only turn it on in the year it matters most.

What about the years they are not up for a new contract?

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Apr 21, 2010 7:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think you got the Williams' mixed up.

He’s talking the DT, you the WR.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 8:33 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good catch

My mistake haha

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by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 21, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice (and true)rant BB

I got Rulon Davis right last year, but he didn’t make the board. LOL.
I try to seek the understanding of each pick, but you are absolutely right. Most of us are absurdly stunned that the coach passed up the player we KNEW should have been picked, crying “What was he thinking!”

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 21, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hallelujah!!

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 21, 2010 10:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Great comment BB...Rec'd you as well

- Whatever "it" was that got you to where you are today, "it" will certainly not be enough to enable you to stay there going forward! -

by BroncoSense72 on Apr 21, 2010 1:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

response to ButteBronco

I use different MOCKs to explore the range of alternative picks. McClain was the #1 in my first MOCK so I wasn’t going to repeat the pick. I went into this MOCK expecting to draft Earl Thomas, but I really didn’t know exactly who would be available.

Obviously, the rationale for picks is somewhat inconsistent if I’m making an alternative choice even though the same players are available, but there’s a virtue in exploring the reasoning behind selections, especially since a draft’s utility is based on the entirity of the draft rather than solely on one pick.

The choice of Dan Williams with the first pick was based on two key factors; 1) impact/value of NT, 2) developmental/grooming considerations. He was chosen over McClain, in part, because is a lower valued position and — therefore — there should be much cheaper substitutes who can perform the same ILB duties at a reasonably proficient level. Please note that I’m not saying McClain isn’t a good player. The rationale for the 1st pick in this MOCK is positional value/scarcity. NTs are hard to find and have a great impact in a 3-4 scheme. Moreover, the 1st round pick is slotted in salary so the salary for McClain would be higher than his value, as measured against the salary of veterans such as D. J. Williams.

By outlining the decisional rational behind a pick, I’m not attempting to conclude the issue. Nor am I attempting to argue against the decisional rationale I used to pick McClain in my first MOCK. An individual decision isn’t necessarily consistent/coherent (oddly) in itself but the main problem comes from attempting to optimize utility for a group of selections. Selecting a player in the draft changes the decision making criterion for the following teams, so clever teams look ahead and calculate the probability of meeting their needs given the needs of other teams and the shape of the draft.

In this MOCK, it was estimated that McClain’s talents could be found in later rounds. Furthermore, the value of a player who is primarily a run stopper wasn’t considered high enough to warrant a pick. And a premium was placed on any LB who provided pass coverage ability. Thus, selections such as Weatherspoon or Butler were preferred. LBs in the top half of the 1st were under a decisional criteria that required speed which McClain lacked. It was close, but the decision could be compared to last year when Curry went early but Maualuga and Laurinaitis did not. Few fans would have considered Clay Mathews superior to Maualuga before the draft but Mathews went at #26 whereas Maualuga went at #38. The main difference between the two is that Mathews can pass cover.

A final note — my strategy for addressing run-stopping is counter to what most people believe, and I think it needs explication. The primary emphasis is bolstering the DL but the attendant strategy is with increasing the pass coverage ability of the LBs — NOT, as many people would think, by necessarily increasing the run-stopping ability of the LBs. Prospects for the LB position had to be either competent in pass coverage or add high level pass rushing ability, in addition to providing run-stopping ability. Additions to ILB at a lower (and inexpensive) level were also permissible as long as their expected usage matched the outlay. In other words, a higher pick (2nd or 3rd, etc.) would be expected to pass cover or rush but a middle round ILB could be justifiable on run-stopping ability alone (and almost all of this type of prospect offers superior speed to what Andra Davis possessed).

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 21, 2010 10:49 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

If the Broncos are really serious about building a solid defense that will be in the top 10 for years

then they will address across the line. Dan Williams might be the logical pick here @11 and maybe we can get a solid prospect in the 3rd for ILB like Butler. If we go with McClain @11 then I will look for Torell Troup later in the 3rd-4th. Our OLine may not need as much building as we have all thought and since we don’t know the development of 3rd year Dustin Fry at Center then all we can do is speculate that we ‘need’ a Center. 3 years in the league he should be ready to go and if he iisn’t then how is Seth Olsen doing? He can go either way too G/C, so we may be in good shape on the OLine and with some depth along the way like Tennant in the 3rd or John Jerry in the 4th or Brandon Carter in the 5th we could have alot of talent that we really haven’t got to see yet. I would go defense first though.

by bfree2bronc on Apr 21, 2010 9:45 AM MDT reply actions  

it's an interesting draft

I haven’t spoken much about the needs on offense V defense, but my feeling currently is that the offense needs more attention than the defense. The free agent crop is partly the reason, besides the fact that the defense performed better than the offense last year (AMAZINGLY).

It’s tough to diagram this stuff and make it readable. We have more potential needs than draft picks. And it really depends on the quality of the draftees so we can go with current members on the roster so I’m listing bubble players who may remain along with clear vacancies.

OL — openings for starters and backups at all three positions. I’d say a fuzzy 2.

WR & TE — room for 2.

RB — room for 1.

DL — additions would be nice but we’re at our target already. Call it a fuzzy 1.

ILB — 1.

OLB — Moss is one the bubble so it’s fuzzy 1.

CB & S — there’s essentially a vacancy at CB but there are 9 DBs already. I’d say a fuzzy 1.

The numbers are fairly even but they tip towards the offense. And the problem is more severe although we may not have immediate solutions, which points toward using more high picks on offense.

I don’t expect a big preponderance in either direction. I tried to even it out somewhat but it worked out the way it did partly by chance.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 22, 2010 2:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

Terrific mock, Colinski, rec'd

This one, as opposed to my latest “realistic” mock, is probably the most realistic mock yet. Not just in terms of picking players who will more than likely be available at the positions you picked, but in terms of the way the draft was constructed.

I like the Dan Williams pick, it might not be the most exciting one, but I think it fills a real need. As you said, we have to get some impact youth behind our new veteran line.

I like the Ducasse and Damian Williams picks. I know he is raw, but I think Ducasse’ talent is such that he could start for us at guard fairly soon. A guy with that type of upside playing next to Clady is pretty exciting.

My favorite pick of the bunch is Ben Tate. He would be a steal at that spot, regardless of how he is rated on the big board. I think his potential is enormous, and could be one of the bigger steals of this draft. Everyone has a soft spot for Gerhart, and I like him too, but this guy could very well be the better player at the next level.

I like the Zane Beadles pick. Not only does he have a terrific football name, but he seems to have everything we look for in a trenches player. I hope we get him at this point in the draft.

The first pick I’ll nitpick is the Verner selection. While I think it is likely we will target Verner, considering all the interest we’ve shown in him, I would much rather see Jamar Chaney here.

Overall, awesome mock with terrific attention paid to need, depth, and fit within the team and systems.

Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.

by aLuffabo on Apr 21, 2010 10:55 AM MDT reply actions  

re: deferring on Chaney

That was actually the choice, and it was a close one so I was torn. Chaney was my best example as a McClain substitute, and it’s hard to argue with the value at that range. Verner was picked because the CB project was considered more important.

What this pick did is convince me that the only thing that separated us from meeting our needs was a few late picks. I actually considered trading our #2 from Miami for 2 – 5th round picks. Two teams possessed twin 5th rounders and I originally composed a section at the end with added picks — #134(3rd in 5th) and #146(15th). but I quickly abandoned the idea when it occurred to me that a re-working of the late picks would also be in order.

Here’s a re-worked version of the late draft including the two new picks — #134, #137, #146 and #183.

~~#134 – Jamar Chaney – ILB – (reach 15) ALTERNATIVE — Roddrick Muckelroy – OLB

~~#137 – Joe Webb – WR – (reach 3) ALTERNATIVE — Ramone Harewood – OT

~~#146 – Nate Byham – TE — (reach 7) ALTERNATIVE — Joshua Moore – CB

~~#183 – A. J. Jefferson – CB/KR — (reach 12) ALTERNATIVE — Nolan Carrol – CB

I missed on OLB in this version but that’s how it goes. I was tempted to take Muckelroy but Chaney fit the criteria too well.

Here’s my suggestion for a UDFA recruit — Dexter Davis – OLB

Finally, I realize what kind of reaction the trade will receive. Trading our 2nd next year is short-sighted but finding some extra picks is a very good idea. I’m hoping that we can gain some picks through trading down at a prudent juncture.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 22, 2010 12:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

U

Cant Be More Wrong!

by Bee Reezy on Apr 22, 2010 12:55 AM MDT reply actions  

I would be happy with these picks

Dan Williams versatility was one of the things that McDaniels has talked about and a lot of people said that Ayers was a one year wonder and that didnt stop McDaniels taking him last year.
I think there could be a strong chance that he is not available at 11. Raiders, who are apparantly looking at moving to a 3-4 may get him as might Bills, Redskins or the Chiefs.

by SteveUK on Apr 22, 2010 3:18 AM MDT reply actions  

on one year wonders

The one-year wonder charge is frequently meaningless. College players in high profile programs frequently don’t play until their equally stellar predecessors leave, which often only provides one year to star. And many players take until the final year to mature. Dan Williams clearly matured late, which is very much like Ayers. It’s reassuring to have a longer productive period to measure them by but that’s what all the metrics, positional drills and film study are for.

I just came back to post my latest thought — I’m starting to believe a player such as Rob Gronkowski – TE – would be a better choice in the 2nd. I’d even take him instead of Damian Williams, although that won’t make some people happy. I won’t rework the rest of the draft at this point but it struck me that I very much like the idea of picking him over Damian Williams right now.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 22, 2010 5:38 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you on this one year wonder stuff and i think McD doesnt have an issue with people who produce only late on in their college career

I would still prefer Damian Williams over Gronkowski

by SteveUK on Apr 22, 2010 9:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

I don't know the numbers something on the order of a third fit into the one-year wonder category

It’s a sloppy reference begging for further information. It’s borderline pejorative.

Orakpo was a one year wonder. Clay Mathew was a one year wonder. Anyone who waits behind a star and comes into their own as a senior is a one year wonder.

There are a few meaningful one year wonder attributions — Middleton – DE, Indiana, Moore, SS, Mis (last year). I can understand the reference there are numerous problems with it.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Apr 22, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

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