With the 25th Pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Denver Broncos Select...Tim Tebow, QB, Florida
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 22, 2010 9:32 PM MDT
Email
Print
Tim Tebow's NFL dream has been realized.
The Denver Broncos had to give up a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th round pick to move back into the first round, but they got their man and still have a good slate of picks with which to work to continue to build the team their way.
Tebow has been undeniably the most controversial draft prospect this offseason, but as we all know, Denver head coach Josh McDaniels has been no stranger to controversy. The former Heisman trophy recipient is excited to be a Denver Bronco, and says that he cannot wait to contribute to this team in any way he can.
"I just think I showed them I was willing to do whatever it took," Tebow said on ESPN. "I'll do whatever it takes. I want to thank everyone in the organization.
"Over last few weeks, we really hit it off. I was hoping and praying that was where I could play."
Tebow seems to be everything Josh McDaniels and his coaching staff look for and covet in a player. He is a fantastic leader, he is smart, he has poise, and he is a winner. McDaniels recently praised Tebow at the Broncos' pre-draft press conference for his improvements over the course of this offseason, and obviously Tebow impressed him to the point where the Broncos used three picks to move back into the first round and pick him.
In all likelihood, Tebow's selection by the Broncos means that one of Denver's other three quarterbacks are on the outside looking in, and right now the heavy speculation is on Tom Brandstater.
Many question whether this is a good fit for the Broncos, and it seems that a lot of Tebow's hype has caused him to become a hated prospect, simply because people are tired of hearing his name. In all honesty, this is a perfect pick for the Broncos, who are in need of a long term solution at the quarterback position.
Kyle Orton's contract expires at the end of the 2010 season, Brady Quinn has not managed to stay healthy for a full season of duty, and Tom Brandstater is the most unproven of the group. Tim Tebow didn't come from a pro style offense at Florida by any means, but he has all of the physical tools and intangibles to be a very successful quarterback at this level.
Tebow, despite what some in the media have stated, was a very accurate passer at the University of Florida. He completed nearly 70 percent of his passes in four years with the Gators, and had a touchdown/interception ratio of nearly 9:2.
Tebow is a phenomenal athlete, as he displayed at the NFL Scouting Combine and his Florida Pro Day by running the 40 yard dash in under 4.7 seconds, with a vertical leap at a very impressive 38.5 inches.
Say what you want about Tim Tebow, but this guy knows how to get a group of people fired up, and he certainly did that with his interview after he was selected. Josh McDaniels has this guy's back, and he believes he can lead us to the big dance.
This is the kind of guy you want to be the leader of your franchise. He is the guy you want at the end of a game to make the big play.
Great pick by the Denver Broncos, and oh by the way--they got him a nice new toy in Demaryius Thomas, the wide receiver from Georgia Tech. Not a bad first day for the Broncos.
Not bad at all.
328 comments
|
7 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
got cut off
Every time I hear Tim speak I’m reminded of a big black lab. The kind that looks tough but then slobbers all over you and you realize he wouldn’t hurt a flea.
by Tuttifrutti on Apr 22, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Bronco Orange and Blue suits him, well.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
I just watched his highlight reels on Youtube
and while I know that only shows the good and not the bad BUT…….
ok so I don’t watch college ball for starters. just don’t. I never saw tebow play, and with all the hype I ignored looking at him at all really. but I just saw a highlight reel that really has me wondering exactly what is wrong with his throwing? also….THE DUDE IS A BEAST!!!! Ironic? 15? replacement beast?
I don’t think his throwing is as pretty as some people….but where is all the hate coming from? I’m excited about this guy
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
The hate is coming from people who don't think his game will translate to the NFL.
In college, under Urban Meyer, they ran a spread option that utilized Tebow’s strengths to make quick reads and run the ball.
Whether or not he can be a good NFL QB is up for debate, but at the very least, IMO, he’ll be a deadly goal line fullback/QB. QB sneak on the goal line? Maybe we’ll do a fake QB sneak and he’ll throw to Moreno out of the backfield or Demaryius Thomas on a fade?
He adds a completely different dimension to the offense that Orton doesn’t have.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I can't for the life of me
See anywhere that makes me think he won’t be able to translate…..
He’s elusive, fast, acurate, smart, and if his talk is acurate….one of the hardest working and passionate players I’ve ever seen. Again I’ve never seen him play until just now on youtube and I KNOW thats not a representative sample……but I think this guy is our QB of the future IF he does in fact make the translation
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
I agree
This is my take too. In the first round you want a guy who can play right away. With Tebow I don’t think he’s ready to take Orton’s place, but I do think he could play right away in the formations you mention. This combined with the trade for Quinn make me think we’ll see more formations like “wild horses” next year.
I guess it makes sense. If we’re only going to be dinking and dunking and controlling the ball we could use a QB that is extremely athletic and durable, which Tebow is (check out the concussion he sustained last year, he was back in no time). He’s probably good enough to play another position, like you said, fullback or something, in the NFL. It’s hard to see us taking him as a true QB who could start right away, so that’s my only logical conclusion to this pick.
I disagree with the assertion that a 1st always has to play right away....
Most 1st round QBs are given a year or two if possible to develop. Some don’t have that luxury, but I think it’s wrong to say that we aren’t going to pick a guy who could potentially have an incredible career just because he won’t start in year 1.
Aaron Rodgers comes to mind...
he’s an absolute bust! Oh wait…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
It's not hate, for me
It’s just that I think we could use the 2,3,4 for other players we need, that could be pretty could if the draft is so deep.
Give a man a fish, and he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, and he'll eat for a lifetime.
"Losing stinks" - Josh McDaniels
by azbroncomaniac on Apr 23, 2010 8:21 AM MDT up reply actions
Was definitely surprised we went this direction, not convinced we needed to, but...
Now that he is a Bronco, all the best to him. I hope he proves me and many of the rest of us wrong.
Congrats Sayre and co.
Go Broncos!
I'm not convinced either
But he doesn’t need to prove me wrong. Like you say, he is a Bronco and that’s all their is to it.
I’m not sad or bummed, just WOW.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
At the very least it is an intriguing pick.
who knows. Maybe two year we will be hearing Tebow to Thomas being called all day.
BEST DRAFT IN RECENT MEMORY
I’m so happy right now, you guys have no idea.
Tebow to Thomas all day!!!!!!!!
by lolcopter on Apr 22, 2010 9:36 PM MDT via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Does this call
for a Lolcano?
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions
Terrible Pick
McDaniels just spent a 1st Round Pick on a player who probably won’t play for 3 years at QB. Just because he is a great person doesn’t mean he will be a great NFL QB.
Maybe he will turn into a good TE in a year or 2
Don't type in bold print.
We can all read just fine.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Yeah...
That’s what all caps is for!
by Velveeta on Apr 23, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
he'll score
5-7 TDs this coming year. I’ll take that.
by Orange and Blue on Apr 22, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions
He can play Fullback right now, though.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions
really
I hope he can block, because we still need some of those.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions
Jury's still out
so I wouldn’t hang the guy just yet. See what he brings to the field before you tear him one. Orton’s not a long term solution and Quinn’s unproven. Tebow may be suited for some trick plays and exotic formations (particularly red zone) as well. If the staff is that high on him, I would hope it’s because they see major upside, not that they’re man-crushing on the dude.
A Bronco fan in San Diego - where history begins in 2004.
by BroncFanInChargerLand on Apr 22, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree
We are not at a point where we can afford a luxury of developing a QB, I am tired of this physical tools crap. He is an athlete, so freaking what, we just drafted Alex Smith, nice guy, not an NFL QB.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
You want him to be your QB, cause I am guessing SF will send him here cheap.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
they could have chosen a qb today
but passed on it, they must like him more than what was out there today
I am convinced you like absolutely
nothing about the Broncos and I feel very sorry for you
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:13 AM MDT up reply actions
That's what I thought when I saw the pick.
Or hoped, rather: “Scheff’s replacement!”
Why is that visions of the whole Plummer/Cutler fiasco are flashing through my head again? One poster on the other thread put it right on the money: ‘McD is showing a disturbing Shanny-esque tendency to get such tunnel vision on his guys that he is willing to trade away the farm to get them’.
Trading up from 24 to 22 was pointless, too—the Cowboys were the only other team who wanted a WR really bad and they got the guy they wanted all along.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
How do you know the
Cowboys did not want Thomas, or NE was going to take him, or Balt was calling NE to trade up for him. The Cowboys and Balt could have been on the phone with NE saying we want to trade up for Thomas. Bill B gives his buddy Josh a call because he knows Josh want Thomas and Josh moves up to select him. So no it was not pointless because you have no idea what was going on for draft trades
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Jerry Jones loves Dez...
and if you don’t think for a second that that has even a little to do with Primetime being in his ear since their first meeting…well….I don’t really have an answer to that.
Baltimore has Anquan Bolden. Don’t think they’ll be making moves to get a 1st-round WR, not their MO. In light of all the other picks, that trade looks rather dumb.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Mistake?
145 total TD’s and 16 INT’s…over 12,000 total yards to go along with a couple national championships. And we screwed up taking this kid? Am I missing something?
by DaLostBoy4 on Apr 22, 2010 9:37 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Look at it this way
The last four SEC QBs that have any significant NFL experience. Two are named Manning and won Superbowls. The other two are Russell and Couch.
That’s very binary. Superbowl winners or busts. My opinion is that he’ll bust. But we shall see.
All I see in this comment is "binary".
Just kidding. :p
"All by their heads, he places crowns."
by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 22, 2010 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Couch also had to play behind a terrible OL in CLE.
Poor kid never had a chance.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Russell never had a chance either....
Not that he’d have taken it. Wow, talk about a guy who got paid and got lazy. I think Couch and Russell are poor examples to compare to.
not when you're trying to prove a point. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
What about Cutler
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
lol my thought exactly
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
If Cutler had
Tebows intangibles he would still be here. Cutler is a me first player that crys if he does not get his way. He already thinks he is great and does not want to be criticized. Tebow has everything people wish Cutler had. Cutler might have been more pro ready then Tebow but Tebow has the skill and the intangibles to succeed in the NFL.
Look I know you LOVE Cutler but get over it he is not a Bronco anymore. Tebow is a Bronco so deal with it
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:21 AM MDT up reply actions
I thought his point was that Tuttifruti ignored Cutler because he didn't fit his model...
because he’s a bust who has somehow convinced people he’ll be a future superbowl winner…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Russel does not have the
work ethic that Tebow has. He does not have the desire the be the best at what he does and to be the leader of his team. You cannot compare the two because they are opposites.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Heavily rec'd!
Don’t forget my favorite – 70% completion rate.
The kid has so much character that folks forget he wins ballgames!
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:49 PM MDT up reply actions
Caleb Hanie was top five in completion percentage for almost half a season twice
Of course the offense was built around screens and short slants, so that rate showed nothing of his ability.
Tebow had BETTER have completed 70% of his passes when he had the green light to run and scramble whenever there wasn’t someone well open
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 22, 2010 10:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Caleb Hanie
might be starting for the Bears next season if Cutler keeps playing like did last year
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:22 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm stealing that
“has so much character that folks forget he wins ballgames!”
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
Sigh....
Here’s a stat line
9,430 yards passing, 91 TD’s in three years
Oh, his name David Klinger
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
and of course because Klinger and Couch failed TEBOW HAS TOO?
what kind of logic is that? Everyone is different
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
The logic is Klinger was a spread QB, like couch
The Spread offense throws up crazy stats in college that aren’t realistic, the facts are every spread QB has struggled to adapt and suceed in the NFL, we are not in a position to groom a guy for 3 years and pay him millions to sit on the bench, hoping he learns the system and can develop.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Yep...but our offense is based on the EXACT system ran by Florida, based on the ideals and concepts of URBAN MEYER...thinking Tebow might be a good fit!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
? The same system Urban Meyer runs?
OK, Charlie Weiss installed the New England offense and took that offense with him to Notre Dame, McDaniels kept that offense and made it more pass first, how exactly is it based on Urban Meyer’s offense? If anything that arguement would make sense if we had selected Claussen.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I will find the article...
But both Weiss’ and McD’s systems are based on the concepts of Urban Meyer’s spread offense. BOTH of them spnt time with Meyer in Florida. Its a fact.
In fact, i believe there was articles on MHR about this very thing.
I will check.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
McDaniels said it tonight, actually
If you watch his presser:
“We stole a lot of (University of Florida’s) plays maybe three or four years ago.”
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
it's not like
we spent a #1 pick on him. We traded down and still got him. I wouldn’t have picked him and mcdaniel didn’t instill a lot of confidence from last year, but I’m still in wait and see mode.
wow this is so wrong
McDaniels did not keep Weiss Offense. It modified it quite a bit. Also go back and look at NE run vs pass when McDaniels was QB and it is close to 50/50. They really did not pass that much more. Also McD said it himself today that while he was in NE they stole plays from Floridas playbook
Clausen sucks. Tebow has way more talent then him and his intangibles are better
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Oddly, we are
If Tebow starts to get it sooner rather than later we can start playing him and say goodbye to Orton. If he doesn’t get it sooner rather than later, we can hang on to Orton and keep Tebow as a backup
The 25th pick does not make “MUST START TODAY” money. They make a lot, but not like say the 11th pick would.
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
Here is the problem
A first rounder is usally going to have a 5 year contract with guarenteed money in a signing bonus, we can use that money on guys that can help now, but we will have it tied up in a guy who may or may not develop.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Yeah, but if you decide to ‘wait and see’, it’s going to be much harder, if not impossible, to get that player after another coach develops them into an elite QB.
by Orange Rush on Apr 22, 2010 11:52 PM MDT up reply actions
what kind of logic is
his awesome stats means he’ll be awesome at the pro game
Let’s look over both of them:
P1 Tebow is a great college quarter back.
P2 Great college QBs are automatically great NFL QBs.
CC Tebow is a great NFL QB.
We all know that second premise is false.
P1 Tebow is a great college quarter back.
P2 Most great spread quarterbacks struggle in the NFL.
CC Tebow is a shitty first-round pick.
That second premise, while shaky, is supported a lot better than yours is. Think about your words before you speak them.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
for every comparison on one side, there is another, no doubt.
The college carreer for Tebow was better than P Manning, but an excellent stat line in college means nothing in the NFL. However, a much LOWER set of numbers number would be a problem. At least we aren’t starting at that point. Translation- you can’t count him as HOF before he starts, but you also can’t count him out until he gets his shot.
I didn’t honestly think he would be picked by us, but now that it is an accomplished fact, I will back the kid. I stated in the first comment I every made about Tebow that he had a lot of work to do to be an NFL QB, but I would not bet against him due to his work ethic and character. Funny how so many use the character issue in the opposite connotation, almost as if strong character is going to hold him back.
Broncoman-Just wondering: what is so alluring to so many posters about phrasing such strongly worded negatives on Tebow? None of us know for sure. BTW, that is a serious question, addressed to a known poster that presents his case, not asked of some of the new sigs I see today that are a bit more histrionic. Really. Why so strong of an emotion? True, the pro-Tebow posts can be just as strongly stated, but somehow it comes over more as hope and excitement than predictions of HOF. Perhaps it is just that is the opinion is expressing a negative, similar to insulting someone.. maybe that leads the mind to look for strong words to express it. Not sure, just asking for input for my mental “manipulations”-(if you are aware of the old semi-obscene phrase for over-thinking a problem, that quotation mark will ring a bell.)
You have it backwards
Most of the criticism leveled at Tebow has been dispassionate and factual. The problem is that the kool-aid drinkers are so invested in the Tebow mystique that any negative thing mentioned about Tebow is perceived as “histrionic”.
It never ceases to amaze me. Anyone who even dares to wonder if the rabid man-crush on Tebow might just be a tad bit (not even a lot, just a tab bit) overwrought is all of a sudden a jerk, mean-spirited, and emotionally deranged. I’m sorry, I don’t think your post reflects the fact that Tebow critics have lost all objectivity; I think the Tebow crazies are so in love they don’t even know what objectivity is anymore.
by Tuttifrutti on Apr 23, 2010 12:03 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
well said Tutti
I think the incredulous ‘how is that logical!?’ post and my response kinda reflect that to a T.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
You are not being objective
either. You only point out his negatives and some of things you point out are not even legit. You just say he is an automatic bust. Some of you people just ignore certain parts of what makes Tebow a very good player. It amazes me. Everything you guys say about him is fixable through coaching and I guarantee Tebow will work harder then anyone drafted this year to improve as a player
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:30 AM MDT up reply actions
At least you're not claiming objectivity.
Since the good has been pointed out already, it’s hard not to just point out the bad. Most of us aren’t saying he’s an automatic bust, we’re just saying that we’re not anointing him yet, and furthermore, that great college stats aren’t guarantee that he’ll be great.
Everything you guys say about him is fixable through coaching and I guarantee Tebow will work harder then anyone drafted this year to improve as a player
But he hasn’t fixed them yet, has he? Bena’s point about Simms being the first one there and the last one to leave last offseason was telling. Once he proves he’s an elite player at the NFL level, I’ll be all over the Tebow bandwagon. Forgive me for reserving judgment and pointing out why judgment should be reserved until then.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
He has started to fix
them which most of you are ignoring. Yes Simms is a hard working but Tebow has much more physical tools then Simms does.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions
he has started to fix his mechanics
as far as I’ve heard that’s it. of course now he’ll be working on everything, or he damn well better be
some might be ignoring that he’s starting to fix some glaring holes in his game, but you apologists are using rather shaky arguments and then blasting those who point out the holes in your arguments for being traitors
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Well Tutti, if my word "histrionic" didn't set well, I
apologize. I did not aim it at all posters- in no way was that phrasing painted over all with a wide brush. But, I don’t like the kool aide reference (among others in your post) either, so we’re even. I think you took my post too personally..I actually AM looking for some insight into the way Tebow splits opinions, and started by commenting on the phrasing of some of the posts on MHR today and other days, whenever the subject of Tebow comes up. Also, I did point out that the Pro-Tebow posts are also strongly stated…. it is just that the phrasing seems harsher for those on the anti-Tebow side of this arguement. As I stated in the post you referenced, it could simply be that phrasing a negative just SEEMS more insulting, and be as simple as that. I am not trying to judge it, I am trying to understand the dynamics of what is occuring. Having said that, I guess I will make a sort of judment in stating that the number of strong choices of phrasing in your post serves as an example of what I was referencing. Seriously, what is the “allure” to that style?
BTW- I am not thrilled with the pick, but will back the kid in his efforts and on this site because he is a Bronco, because he seems not to have any major character problems (always a bit of an unknown there, as appearances can be deceiving), and most importantly, because I really like to refrain from judging these issues too early. Not exactly a man-crush, definitely not rabid. Any insights for me, Tutti? Why is Tebow so dividing? The disparity is so much stronger here than for any other incoming collegiate I can think of. Why do you think that is?
Still hoping for your response, BM.
Broncoman often
spews crap when he types
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:27 AM MDT up reply actions
one thing not permitted here
are Ad Hominem attacks. Broncoman is rather abraisive, yes, but the above is absolutely spurious.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Good point.
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 22, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
This is my only thought
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
Another good point. LOL
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 22, 2010 10:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Yes Sir!!!!!!
I agree to the fullest NYCBronx. We have to have an O-line, and we need some beef on the D-line as well.
I summon Evil Cartman
Beefcake!!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
I was so angry
When we traded down from 13 and then Pouncey, Iupati, and Witherspoon all went from 16-18. Ugh.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
What's the reaction
going to be when we draft Gerhart @ 45. I LOVE IT!!!
by Orange and Blue on Apr 22, 2010 9:38 PM MDT reply actions
And the game ball goes to..
SAYRE… Good call buddy. You called it and stuck by your guns when people were criticizing you.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
SAYRE!!!!
Remember what I said about waking up on draftivus with Saint Tim in our stockings :)))))
I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
McX Regime
Reasonable to say that McDaniels and Xanders career in Denver is riding on this pick. I REALLY hope it pans out…
Meh...
People said that all year about Orton, too. I don’t know that McD is even close to being on the hot seat.
Meh...
A head coach’s career kinda rides on his starting QB’s performance. Well, maybe not Shanny’s [rimshot]. If we’re still .500 when McD’s contract is up in another year I think we’ll see Bowlen going a new direction. After all, just look at Phillips’s tenure—Bowlen’s not scared to make changes.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Disagree, BECAUSE Bowlen is the owner.
He doesn’t seem to care much about the fan’s opinions- he wants to win consistently, and apparently being close to 500 for several years (not two or 3), is not good enough. He seems to be satisfied if he sees progress, though. Phillips did not show progress or, in my opinion, a long range plan. Unless the team fails to progress over the next 3 years (the team, not Tebow), I don’t think we see a coaching change. But, I’m one of those fans whose opinion doesn’t move him much, so who knows?
Patrick Bowlen
is Fan No. 1! Nuff said! ^^
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 23, 2010 12:08 AM MDT up reply actions
let's see...
2005: 13-3
2006: 8-8? 7-9?
2007: 9-7? 8-8?
2008: 8-8?
That’s three years, not several. After an AFC championship appearance. For a former two-time SB winner. Who won the Super Bowl in his third year as coach of the Broncos. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think Shanny had a plan either, but McD signed a three-year contract and you can take it to the bank that if we are .500 for those three years he’ll be finding a new place of employment.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
2005 was the only
year shanny did anything since the last time we won the superbowl. It was not just 2006, 2007 & 2008
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Gee Drizzt, Just feels like there is a longer view being taken.
I wouldn’t think Shanny would even be gone if there had been a long term plan. My reading of Bowlen’s stance is completely lacking personal conversations with him, but I read his public statements and actions as indicating his desire to commit to a long term plan for long term success. If there is progress toward long term supremacy, he seems willing to invest time.
On the other hand, I would have to admit that 500 average over 3 seasons doesn’t show much progress, and I slipped a gear and did not make the connection in your first post that the contract would be up at the 3rd year total.. only that it was a year away. But, FWIW, its my sense that IF in some manner progress toward accomplishing a specific goal actually is seen by Bowlen, a so-so win percentage might not stop a 1 year extension (or maybe a couple of them sequentially). It would be really nice if we had very deep insight into that goal; I think we at least have enough statements from Bowlen and McG to assume there really is some form of plan. However, but coaches don’t generally write that book until after they have won a few SBs, so we are left speculating (again).
Fair enough.
Definitely more goes into it than purely W-L. For example, if we’re unlucky to be 8-8 (rather than lucky to be .500 in the stretch from ‘06-’08) I think that’ll be taken into account for sure.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
i'm going to venture a guess
that we will find that out tomorrow.
by black_knight101 on Apr 22, 2010 9:44 PM MDT up reply actions
I certainly hope so. Who are some good Centers that are still out there?
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
by PosterNutbag on Apr 22, 2010 9:45 PM MDT up reply actions
at pick 45
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
Whatever happened to the ballyhooed Greg Eslinger?
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 22, 2010 10:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I think he may be on someone's practice squad
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I think his name should be remembered
I keep reading comments from people saying that good OL can be taken in low rounds. Look at Tom Nalen! When Eslinger was drafted, the parallels to Nalen were rampant.
"I have no special talents. I am only passionately curious." - Albert Einstein
by Andrew T. Fisher on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
And he is really a ZB guy, not a power player
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
What does it say about next season?
Probably that McD doesn’t think he has much of a chance of doing anything special.
I, for one, am glad that we're not losing track of the long term to try to fill a few holes for next year.
I think we can be a very competitive team next year, but I do not want to take a player with less upside just because we feel like we’re weak at ‘x’ position. Give me players who will make an impact for the next decade all day long over someone who fills a hole next year and is nothing more than a role player, or worse.
by Kgrone on Apr 22, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Really, Josh has said multiple
times he is not used to losing and he has never had a losing season. He is not the type of person that thinks his team will not do something special. This is one stupidest post i have seen tonight
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Sayre...my crow tastes great my friend...loved the kids interview...he has loyalty alraedy to coach and the Broncos and he IS our Franchise QB. Kudos to you my friend!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I gotta eat a little bird myself.
It all starts in the trenches - HT 11/11/08
Leave the hateful vitriol to the uninformed - HT 3/16/09
I am serving mine up Roasted with some nice lemon basil sauce.
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
by Arimaris on Apr 22, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I take my crow straight.
I’ll be rooting for Tebow as our new receiving TE. You heard it here first.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I'll have mine blackened.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 10:18 PM MDT up reply actions
Mine has Pace Picante Sauce on it
Medium-Hot!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:20 PM MDT up reply actions
What???
The DP poll says that the majority of fans like the Tebow pick? Why aren’t they negative? 63% for it…..
I’ve seen it all…..
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
this is the first evidence of Tim Tebow fans now being Broncos fans
that’s all
by black_knight101 on Apr 22, 2010 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
There ya go.
Our season ticket waiting list just got longer……. I don’t like that, at all…..
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
not to mention all the ladies that
just want to see Quinn…..I mean are we picking QB’s to model the uniform now?
HAHAHAHA jk I honestly have NO idea if this is a good pick or not….but so far I like his attitude, and now I will be watching film after I post haha
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
hey, i'm already on the list, so at least they gotta wait behind me. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Were not being negative just to be negative!
It ticks me off when people think some of us have just been being negative to be negative. It’s not that at all for me. I love the Broncos and have for a very long time! But, I have been very unhappy with the McX era since he got hired. I dont think there is any crime in speaking your mind. I think it is a good thing! At least we are not blindly following the leader, simply because they are the leader, we speak up about it!
I love the Tebow pick!!! He is a playmaker, a Heisman Trophy winner, a 2 time National Championship winner, and “The Best College Football Player of All-Time” according to most of the college world. Picking him up late in the first round, “Awesome!”
Trading what we did for Quinn? I didn’t like that at all, not when he was going to be released anyway. Quinn is a pretty boy who will collect a paycheck and model swimwear. Tebow is going to come to work and make things happen! He has been over annalysed and people are tired of hearing about him, but it is his life long dream to be an NFL QB and until he proves he doesn’t have what it takes, I am on board!
P.S. I still like Orton, he is solid, and doesn’t make mistakes. Will give Tebow some time to grow.
Maybe we can move Quinn for a pick in the next couple days?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
That was in my mind, also.
Just kind of think there may actually be a 4 QB round-robin at training camp and pre-season. I don’t think I have ever seen anything quite like this.
I'd rather move Quinn
and get something in return than just releasing Brandstater later…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
It's because
The vitriol on the Denver Post site is from the verbose ignorant. Most wise people don’t speak, but they do vote :)
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 10:41 PM MDT up reply actions
they flipped the fourth rounder
baltimore moves up 5 spots i believe.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 9:46 PM MDT reply actions
Baltimore traded their fourth for Bolden
Of course all the ‘experts’ seem to forget that as they clamored B-more would select Dez
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Great pick?
There is a reason why so many experts had this guy going in the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th rounds. His stats and intagibles suggest #1 overall. Explain to me why he wasn’t projected there. Also, we don’t have three picks because of him. That has an impact, potentially a major one if one of those guys turned out to be all pros or even productive starters. This isn’t a great pick. It could turn out to be one, but let’s set aside our love for this dude’s grit and faith and see it for what it is—a giant, nay, huge gamble. Hey, I always have liked McD, but I could certainly go for the safe, logical choice once in a while instead of the bold high impact pick. Just me.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 9:46 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
I disagree...
Some folks also had Tebow in the first (including ESPN, who then went ballistic when it was Denver that took him).
Some other stats…
145 total TD’s and 16 INT’s…over 12,000 total yards to go along with a couple national championships. And we screwed up taking this kid? Am I missing something?
…from an earlier comment.
Yeah, this kid sure sucks, huh?
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
College stats are college stats
David Klinger had stats that were mind blowing, Andre Ware, same thing, good god, I can name ten stat guys that won in college, had phenominal stats and sucked in the NFL.
He is a project and system QB, he is not worth a 1st round pick.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
He did this in the SEC
Bradford wasnt a system QB?
by Orange and Blue on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Yeah, and he also had All Americans around him
Bradford played a lot more under center and is a natural thrower,
but I am not sold on Bradford either.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
we played out of the shotgun a fair amount
by Todd Jewell on Apr 22, 2010 10:24 PM MDT up reply actions
And was out all but 3 games
because he takes stupid punishment, when he doesn’t have too. Behind Oklahoma’s offensive line which was awesome. that’s a red flag for me
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 10:43 PM MDT up reply actions
you should've called McX and told them
cause they sure could use that wisdom
I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"
by dmitchell624 on Apr 22, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Niether one of those kids had the desire to win.
I remeber both of them, they were good athletes, but college was easy for them, and they thought the NFL would be the same. Tebow knows all too well that the cards are stacked against him. He has nothing to loose and everything it takes to win.
I see.
So we ought to ignore the stats if they aren’t convenient.
Got it.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Yep Sure does suck
That’s my opinion and it is perfectly valid. I think we gave up a lot to get a guy who I don’t think ever ran an NFL-worthy offense. I don’t care what his stats were. I just care about what we could have done and if this guy can live up to his draft position as an NFL QB. That means passing QB, capable of running a complex offense and recognizing crazy defensive converages. I hope he does, but at this point I don’t think that is likely. Hence my distaste for the pick.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions
You made his point Steve...
with his stats, why isn’t he going #1 overall?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
You're right, it is a good question-
Could it be there is a backlash to his character? Perhaps that just as in political and other media venues, the sports media types just love to have their opinions become fullfilled as if prophecy, and work hard to make it that way? …Do you really think it is the throwing mechanics or the system? I don’t.
/sigh
Please stop the ‘christian persecution’ theme. That ended in the Western world in 311 with Constantine. Your second question, though, is probably closer to the truth, in that ‘value’ is merely this nebulous speculation until a transaction actually occurs.
Why do I personally think that he didn’t go #1 overall? Easy—the question no one’s asked for a couple months now and as far as I know no one ever answered:
Can he read defenses under center? Can he even take a snap under center? So, yes, technically, it really is the system. The mechanics got all the press after the Senior Bowl but that’s what really worried me…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Not pushing a theme, just observing how much comment on his religion/character..
Could easily be a construction of the media coverage.. most of those guys (media) and some lawyers are not high on my list of things I enjoy in life. As far reading defenses under center, it is ALL a learning process. Sanchez’s strong point in this facet of his preparation did not save him from rough times as a rook. I am old school..I think it takes a couple of years to train ANY QB, and wish so many exciting young prospects in the NFL weren’t thrown into the fire so early. It just occurred to me that in some weird way his (TTs) peceived or actual relative unpreparedness may actually be a fortuitous circumstance…he may actually get that chance to develop.
Constantine was an unlikely candidate for making Christianity a majority religion, was he not? History is as full of weirdness as NFL draft days.
I think he saw the writing on the wall...
as will the leader of the free world that embraces the Mormon faith. Granted that was when the writing was barely distinguishable from the wall, but still. But we are getting wayyy OT :p.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
In essence we only gave up a second rounder and third rounder for the extra first rounder
since we swapped fourth rounders (there being five spots between the two picks). Not the end of the world.
Heaven forbid
If it was Tebow that turns out to be productive or an “all pro”. Two of the three picks we paid to get him were obtained during the draft, and this is not a big cost to what otherwise would have been needed picks. Lets all argue that for a while………………
About playing against Joe Namath "He's the best in the Business, he can do everything, but I've never seen a Quarterback yet that can throw on his back." - Dave Costa 1969
by Denver Diehard on Apr 22, 2010 10:07 PM MDT up reply actions
Buffalo was hot on him
They were probably in trade talks with Baltimore as well.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
There are two ways to be critical of this pick.
One – Be an ass. Then one can join ESPN’s Tom Jackson and Steve Young, or any of a number of trolls to our site from our rival teams.
Two – Do it with class. Then one can join our own John Bena in expressing his concerns about the pick.
The truth is, one has to do much better than ignorant commentary (“Well, I guess we won’t be winning any games anymore”)
For the record, Tebow was not my choice. I have written that Denver has better ways to go, but Tebow could help this team in a few years too. I had no strong opinion one way or the other. I like Tebow’s attitude, coachability, loyalty, and 70% completion rate. I also think he is too raw to start yet. I leaned against this pick. Still, only a fool would realisticly believe that this pick is going to ruin the franchise. (Yes, a few folks have typed that).
FWIW, in the end, I’m fine with this pick. McD is building a team three years out with each draft (the NE way). We also picked up a 4th rounder with the trade. We also have multiple picks in the mid rounds of a very deep draft. We only got Tebow because we garned so many picks earlier tonight. Denver got two of the three players they wanted in the first round. They still have picks in the value laden 2nd through fourth rounds.
The same “haters” that can’t stand Orton are now telling us that we don’t need a QB. I’d rather throw in my lot with Coach Gruden than Tom Jackson. Many of these talking heads loved Tebow BEFORE Denver took him. Really, who do you trust more?
So there are a few ways to go. Support your team and your new players, while praising or being critical of the picks. But don’t attack the players or the coach. Again, read John’s front page story from yesterday on the right way to be critical.
And to Sayre – rec’d!
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:46 PM MDT reply actions 15 recs
So now there is a right way in being critical? What’s next? Not allowed to express one’s opinion? I think what’s not being taken into consideration is that there is a large number of fans who aren’t sold on McDaniels. Whether it’d be the Cutler/Marshall trades or Seattle’s 14th that netted Earl Thomas S of Tenn., not many have really been impressed.
This is what I see. People leave Denver. If our coach is the leader of the franchise w/plans of the promise land w/confetti, should that not be the sole reason why people don’t leave Denver? The real challenge heading into this season will be the defense to replicate last year’s success. Improve on the run game both offensive and defensively.
I like the WR Thomas pick. Tebow, not so much. He’s a Bronco now and I’m sure I’ll support my team regardless but it doesn’t change the degree of my disappointment. I for one am hoping to be proven wrong but no matter how much positive spins I read on this site, I’m still not sold. Guess that starts w/our leader, McDaniels.
Say hello to my fast...
Yes,
there is a right way to be critical. There is a way to tell someone you disagree with them, or there choices without making them want to punch you in the face. That’s all respectful criticism is. I do it with people all the time.
Example 1 (wrong way) : What a stupid pick you Jackass!
Example 2 : (Right way) I really think we should have used that pick on interior line help, epecially when we already have 3 servicable Qb’s. I’m not sold on his mechanics work, he might regress. Also, with Clausen and McCoy still on the board we could have got him in the second.
BTW, example 2 is hypothetical, I like the pick :)
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 10:50 PM MDT up reply actions
You didn't read a damned thing I wrote, did you?
Yes, there IS a way to be critical. You can do it with class, or you can be an ass.
I don’t recall typing that there is anything wrong with not liking the pick. I don’t like the pick. But it makes my side of the argument look stupid when people go overboard attacking the player, the coach, or the team.
Does it make more sense when I write it that way?
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 10:59 PM MDT up reply actions
One more thing...
This is what I see. People leave Denver. If our coach is the leader of the franchise w/plans of the promise land w/confetti, should that not be the sole reason why people don’t leave Denver?
Cutler was demanding a trade BEFORE McDaniels was hired. It was in response to Shanahan’s departure. Brandon Marshall left for many of the same reasons as Javon Walker (Walker left under Shanahan). Marshall also had problems under Shanahan too (including the same “fake injury” routine).
Both players wanted out. In the case of Cutler, we improved at the QB position. Orton continued to outperform Cutler in terms of TDs, TDs vs INTs, and games won. Both Orton and Marshall had behavioral issues, and I’m glad they’re gone. Still, I don’t see what any of that has to do with Tebow. Unless of course you are trying to make my point that maybe character DOES count when taking a player in the draft?
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
Marsh's 'fake injury' routine...
just happened to be real under Shanny’s tenure. Look, Steve, I agree with you most of the time and even with most of what you’ve just said, but you’re looking a lot like you belong in the Assembly…in the year 430 B.C. or so.
There aren’t that many ass comments. Broncoman’s certainly aren’t. Even that one above you have such an immense problem with isn’t that bad, when compared with the alternative. Please go read the comment section over at the DPO for a bit, you seem to be taking MHR for granted.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Thanks Steve...
I was about to become an ass to all of the ass comments. :P
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
I'm walking a fine line myself now, friend.
lol
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 11:05 PM MDT up reply actions
Sayre!!!!!! Happiest day in forever for this Bronco fan
McD just made my day….so mad when he traded Cutler but gets a guy who is an amazing athlete with incredible character….whatever people disagree, I say wait before you speak….He is going to lead us to a Super Bowl much sooner than an Orten or Quinn could….
Wowwwwwwwww!!!!! Stoked….Happy….Thrilled…..McD just won every inch of respect I could have for a head coach!!!!
Did I mention I LOVE IT!!!!! wooooohooooooo
"Sayre got your back"
Great call as always! Today is my 3rd happest day ever as a Bronco, My 1st happest ever was Elway’s trade with Baltimore in 83, and my 2nd happest ever was attending SB 32 against Packers. A new ERA has started and something special on the horizon… Just love today’s draft with more to come on day 2…
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
Clady is our LT for the next decade so having a left handed QB doesn’t make sense to me at all.
Our O sucked in 2009, and then we traded away our best skill position player.
I think Tebow can help in our short yardage and goal line packages. I hope Thomas can help in the red zone as well. We still really NEED a C. Fry is not that guy. We may have to reach on Walton in round 2.
In my opinion.
You have to block on both sides of the line, though.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 9:52 PM MDT up reply actions
What?
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 PM MDT up reply actions
making a point about McGeorges original point about a left handed QB
thought you were talking about the other side being weak….sorry….delirious with joy
haha, understandable.
Tim said it best, below. Sacks come from both sides of the line. Regardless of which arm the QB throws with, the line has to protect him from all sides (and up the middle).
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 11:18 PM MDT up reply actions
who knows
i’m sure clady is athletic and strong enough to move to the right if need be. but i think tebow is so dynamic on roll outs to the strong side and just his pure rushing ability that it won’t really matter. all the o-line guys will have to be pretty versatile once he’s ready to take over.
not a big deal imo.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:10 PM MDT up reply actions
That's not the point.
The point is that you have your best guy on the left because that’s your QBs blindside so you want it less likely for the rush to come from the left side. Stop being willfully obstinate, I’m sure McG knows full well that pass protection’s symmetrical.
I, for one, hope that Tebow’s got Elway-esque hearing/peripheral vision/instincts. And Harris is no slouch either, that’s most definite.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
You've missed the point
I’m not being obstinate – this is a problem that comes up often on this site and that fans have regularly asked about. The issue of a left hander isn’t that the pass blocking is symmetrical. It’s that the strongside OT – the blindside for a left handed player – usually has the TE supporting him. That’s why teams with left handed QBs don’t move the LT to RT.
It all starts with the lines
sacks come from both sides of the line man...
last I checked we have two elite Tackles….
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
I still think that Iupati and Pouncey going at 17 & 18 had to throw HCMcD a bit of a curve ball.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
Pouncey was the guy I wanted.
Still, I’m fine with our pick at WR, and Tebow is just an extra 1st round pick that may or may not be our future at QB.
But yeah, I was pretty sure Pitt was going to go after Pouncey.
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 22, 2010 9:54 PM MDT up reply actions
Don't forget Walton
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
Such a frustrating series of three picks.
After Iupati and Pouncey went I was like ‘well at least they can pick up Witherspoon with the 24’…nope!
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
not really
because Pouncey has been penciled in to the Steelers for like 3-4 weeks
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:41 AM MDT up reply actions
Nice draft
At the end of the day we got a “beast wr” a possible franchise qb and a 3rd pick basically for a 2nd round pick good job
by tulsabroncofan on Apr 22, 2010 9:53 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
actually we got a 'bay-bay' WR :p
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
so we traded our "bay bay T.O."
and picked up a “bay bay” without the T.O.? Sounds like a win in my book. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 23, 2010 12:05 AM MDT up reply actions
damn straight
I just can’t believe that it took a Dolphins quote with much the same meaning ‘I only care about the records I set personally’ for me to realize with what blinders I’d looked at Marsh’s quotes about his aspirations while he wore Blue and Orange.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
4th rd
Can someone claify looking on espn it doesn’t show we have a 4th
by tulsabroncofan on Apr 22, 2010 10:46 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
traded for Tebow
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
There is something about
Tebow, at first I din’t want him at all, but the more I step back and look at it, I can’t describe it, but he may be something special, just a gut feeling
SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW
We have our QB OF THE FUTURE! and the replacement that will supercede Marshall! I am going to get a Tebow jersey as soon as it is comes off the presses! Can we still get Benn ajnd Spikes
by MELMAN on Apr 22, 2010 9:56 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Yes for sure!
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
All I know
is that this Tebow better be the next Steve Young, or McDaniels can start sending out his resume. This is a sink or swim pick, no doubt about it.
Don't forget Young was a backup for 2 seasons
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
and
He was traded before he started. But, HOF. lol
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 10:55 PM MDT up reply actions
love these responses, oc60 and Welcome2Boise-
Rushing anything is frequently a problem, especially when it comes to judgements about a players and coaches future. Let the story play itself out without trying to guess the ending.
We still have a chance to draft...
John Jerry (Vladimir Ducasse)
Matt Tennant (JD Walton)
Brandon Spikes (Donald Butler)
Eric Decker (Carlton Mitchell)
Amanti Edwards or Joe Hawley
I mean seriously we got 2 1st rounders and still have enough picks to cover our needs.
Tebow in my opinion will turn out to be a great pickup, taking any quarterback in the first round is taking a chance no matter who it is, but the payoff could be big.
Demaryius thomas is another great pick who few of us saw coming. He has potential to be better than Brandon Marshall and will play much better in our system than Dez Bryant.
by etienne97 on Apr 22, 2010 10:00 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
yup
it’s all because we flipped the 11 into great value. the 4th from frisco let us take demaryius. the philly deal helped us make the tebow deal without much loss. we’re going to get a lot of really good players through this draft.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:08 PM MDT up reply actions
We didn't need a 49er fourth
to take Thomas. Dallas was taking Dez anyway.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
see my rationale elsewhere
but no, I cannot know for sure
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I hope we draft Damian Williams WR best on the board
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
Not what I wanted
I even criticized Sayre when he argued for it
But after what turned into a less than enjoyable evening (nothing to do with the draft) my wife made a VERY good point. She asked “Why don’t you want him?”
Thinking about it, I didn’t like Claussen because I think he is over hyped and everything I see on him screams that he just doesn’t get it. Bradford is a STUD, but both times his shoulder was hurt sure looked like a hit he will deal with in the NFL quite a bit so it just doesn’t work in my mind. I WANTED McCoy because he was a winner and looked to me like a leader of men and a guy who could really be a great one.
So, Tebow is a leader. He is a STUD (stats and workouts both). He is more than just a character guy, he is a guy who makes a decision and sticks to it NO MATTER WHAT (returning to school for another year. Probably would have been a 1st rounder before then).
After grinding through this I turned to my wife and said, “I am an idiot, I think we just Drafted my kids version of Elway” Because in 1983 I was the same age as my oldest son is now…
Yes he will sit for a year, maybe even two. Yes we have other needs for this team (CENTER FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!) and yes I would have much rather had Pouncey or Lupati than either of our picks tonight. But when it comes down to it we just drafted a wining quaterback who sure looks like he is an uber player.
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
by Arimaris on Apr 22, 2010 10:01 PM MDT reply actions 6 recs
Tennant, Walton, etc
other centers out there. getting a franchise qb takes precedence to a friggin center. no disrespect to the center position…
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:06 PM MDT up reply actions
It's like you want an iPod
But you open up the package and its a zune.
You are still really happy and it is a great gift, but there is always this, “but I wanted an iPod” felling.
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
LOL
I am using that one at work tomorrow. Your check is in the mail.
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 22, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Came up with that when I was trying to figure out why I was happy
But still had the sinking feeling the Jets fans ALWAYS seem to have.
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
The issue is...
That we’re not sure if Tebow can be a Franchise QB, and we likely won’t know for several years.
I came around to your way of thinking over the last few days myself...
Clausen = Cutler btw.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Can he throw harder than Elway?
hahahaha, ahhhh…… I make myself laugh….
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 11:06 PM MDT up reply actions
No
But he wears more rings than he does, before he accomplishes anything. Some people have an irrational hatred of Tebow. I have an irrational hatred of Clausen. lol
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
haha, I have an irrational hatred of Kiper.
Which is why I have a mutual hatred for Clausen. Kiper thinks Clausen is the cat’s bananas. Every pick that Clausen slides, you know a portion of Kiper is dying on the inside.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 11:19 PM MDT up reply actions
No hatred of Kiper is irrational.
The man is out of his mind, and he needs to start watching those Axe hair product commercials. lol
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 11:20 PM MDT up reply actions
He tried Axe hair product once and almost got raped by Big Ben.
He won’t make that mistake again.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 22, 2010 11:28 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Okay…HCMcD has been here a little over a year and has now brought in five QBs. That’s a little odd.
"C" is for Championship...that's good enough for meeeee!!!
Unless you're Jon Gruden
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 22, 2010 10:12 PM MDT up reply actions
lol
Tru dat.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2010 10:39 PM MDT up reply actions
He's gonna start flipping them like houses
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
So lets see here
We traded Cutler, Marshall, and Sheffler for Knowshon, Orton, Demariyus, Tebow, and a whole bunch of other trades here and there that give us some more guys to come tomorrow and the next day. Damn. We flipped those 3 and got A LOT of value in return.
Great work McX! LETS WIN SOME MF GAMES!
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:02 PM MDT reply actions
Really?
We don’t know what Demariyus and Tebow will give us. And we don’t quite know if Knowshon will be a star running back yet. So I’ll wait for the judgement on those.
Insanity is just a state of mind.
considering market value yeah
i’d say so. big time.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 11:14 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we're going to be contemplating depth charts
once the draft is over, and come away impressed with the potential there 2-3 down the line, and I expect at least a 1 game improvement this year to 9-7.
I love this Patriots script of building a team for the future. it has vision. a championship team needs a vision.
lovin it.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:04 PM MDT reply actions
Finally Some rationale
Oh MHR. I love your opinions and your insight. They are not rash and without merit. I 100% agree. I love this guy and love the fact that I now can get a Jersey that I will be proud to wear over the next 10 years.
Guy is a proven winner and Thomas is a great weapon to have as well. The fact that we can count on Tebow and Thomas (The Terrific T’s) to spread the field will be great to watch.
Ernie
Yep
Nice to have some rational talk and not a hysterical flame war.
Kumbaya….
McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!
by TheMastermind on Apr 22, 2010 10:13 PM MDT up reply actions
Agreed %100!!!
This is by far the best move McX has made so far! A REAL playmaker with a great attidude and work ethic! This guy is going to make things happen in Mile High! I am very happy with this pick and even more happy because I haven’t been able to write many positive postings in a long time! “4th and two, 13 seconds left in the game, Tebow has the ball, he rolls left….. Touchdown Broncos!!!!!” Now ask yourself, did he run it or throw it? Go Tebow! Go Broncos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tomorrow is what matters....
Getting Tebow is great and I love Thomas. Gil Brandt, who Ill take his opinion over just about anyones, would rave about the guy’s potential, but tomorrow is KEY. This team desperately needs interior offensive line help.
Todays picks were pretty dang sexy and are going to be getting a lot of the headlines but tomorrows and saturday’s pick better be solid and filled with some good ol meat and potatoes.
Never give in, never give in
Seriously
I’m sick of all the kneejerkers.
It’s DAY ONE of the draft and apparently the sky is falling because of a QB picked number 25. Nevermind the awesome WR we got before him, or the 5 or so other picks we have over the rest of the draft to fill in our needs.
Yeesh. No one won the Superbowl tonight, let’s put it all in perspective people.
I’m indifferent honestly. I don’t like that we gave away three picks to move up, but we got a guy who WANTS to be here and a proven winner. Yeah, he could be a project, but all rookies are. I’m excited for the future, and we’ll see where it goes. Go Broncos
It is cool that we still get 7 picks, and 5 occur in the first 3 rounds!
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
I really can't emphasize this enough
We really didn’t give up that much to get Tebow. basically a 2nd and a 3rd, but we got 2 3rds from philly so that gets offset. great drafting.
the best part is that we got a franchise qb – at least the guy who’s labeled as such for now – at a cheap cost comparatively.
this is smart franchise building.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:15 PM MDT reply actions
I see nothing
that indicates we swapped fourths with the Ravens. To my knowledge, they traded their only 4th for Boldin?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM MDT up reply actions
These are our remaining picks according to NFL.com
Round 2, Pick 13 (45) -
Round 3, Pick 17 (80) -
Round 3, Pick 23 (87) (from Philadelphia) –
Round 5, Pick 6 (137) (From Cleveland through Philadelphia) –
Round 6, Pick 14 (183) -
Ummm
Ok NFL.COM also says this:
Broncos receive:
" First-round pick (No. 25): Tim Tebow
" Fourth-round pick (No. 119)
Ravens receive:
" Second-round pick (No. 43)
" Third-round pick (No. 70)
" Fourth-round pick (No. 114)
/sigh
Ravens gave away that 4th for Bolden. You’d never have known Bolden was on their team hearing Kiper go on and on about them taking Dez before they traded it away.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM MDT reply actions
But we didn't get a franchise QB.
We got a potential franchise QB with a lot of luck. We gave up a lot when you count what we could have had in terms of value with the # 11 pick and what we dealt to move back into the first round.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM MDT reply actions
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html
I too dabbled in pacifism once...
by waltersobchakbronco on Apr 22, 2010 10:17 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good point
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
This guy isn't Peyton Manning
If he was, we would have been competing with the Rams for him at #1.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:22 PM MDT reply actions
Including Brady, or were you being facious!
by ivanthenotsobad on Apr 22, 2010 10:34 PM MDT up reply actions
he was being facetous
John Elway was a #1, however…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
OK...just a question...whats to say that Tebow cant start or contribute right away...
Are his mechanics any worse than Philip Rivers?
Does he not offer more upside and skills than just about any prospect out there?
Does anyone think that McD wont find a way to get him involved with his running ability?
Did he not have better efficiency than Peyton manning in college?
Explain to me why he cant succeed?
Why did it take me so long to see his upside?
Thanks!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
We'll see come Training Camp
I wonder if I can get him to autograph a hat for next year’s Draftivus.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on Apr 22, 2010 10:28 PM MDT up reply actions
I think we will see in 2011
User name pronounced Air-Ah-Miss Originally from my days in the SCA, became a gamer and forum tag because it is odd and it is a name I like
Answer
1) Yes, his mechanics are worse than Phillip Rivers (and Rivers didn’t start for two years)
2) Upside, maybe, skills, no his skills are poor
3) Why would you want him running the ball, this is the NFL, he doesn’t get to play Tulane, everyone can run and hit, he would get injured early and ofton running the ball in the NFL, he is not going to run over Ray Lewis and James Harrison.
4) Again, a spread offense leads to crazy stats that don’t show how good a QB the player will be, look at Chase Daniels and the kid that was out of Hawaii a few years back, both had better stats than Manning, yet neither is anything close to Manning as far as a QB, college stats are misleading at best
5) I can’t say he can’t suceed, but there is a tremendouos amount of things that have to happen for him to succeed, footwork, release, reading an NFL defense, acccuracy and being able to throw over the middle.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Spread offense....
Go read this article:
http://www.footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=217
“he New England Patriots, using a variation of Urban Meyer’s spread offense broke every NFL scoring record in 2007. Impressed?”
“After the New England Patriots 2004 season, coach Bill Belicheck and offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels went to Gainesville, Florida to meet with Urban Meyer, scout some of his offensive players and discuss the spread option with him. Over the next few years, they would form a great bond and change the New England Patriots offensive attack from an old, smashmouth, Earhardt-Perkins offense left over from the Charlie Weiss and Bill Parcells era, to a new spread attack. The rest is history! "
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Boydy
When I was researching the Tales on Belichick and McD, I ran into a quote from Belichick regardig this. You might remember that a member who called himself ‘cardiologist’ told a similar story that was debunked by a half dozen members. BB himself said that this story is false, and that he didn’t know who started it. He and Meyer have been friends for a long time (hence BB drafting from Meyer’s guys) and they frequently meet and always talk football, but the idea that NE runs a Meyer-based spread just isn’t true according to BB. Yes, they took some plays either from Meyer or that were similar, but they took plays from many other sources too. It’s still a variant on the Erhardt-Perkins with twists from Weis, Meyer, McD and BB, as well as Ernie Adams.
The term ‘spread offense’ has many different meanings. Simply suggesting that ‘spread’ refers to one approach only isn’t quite accurate. I always appreciate your deep level of knowledge and your enthusiasm, but everything I found in the research, including BBs comments, contradicted this story. I’m not trying to be argumentative – just as accurate as I can.
For the record, I don’t particularly like the pick, but I am happy for those who felt so strongly that they wanted him. Congratulations, and I hope that he can live up to those expectations.
It all starts with the lines
Thanks Em...but in McDaniels interview tonight he admits to using facets from Meyer's offense....so i dont know what the truth is but there is clearly a relationship there.
I found a FEW stories and articles on the net that confirms the relationship….so not sure what it up!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Yes, the relationship is definite
There’s no doubt at all that BB and Meyer are friends. Again, that’s why NE has drafted players from LSU that didn’t get a lot of original press – such as Jarvis Green. BB often drafts right out of the recommendations that his contacts give him, and overall it’s worked out well.
BB’s disagreement was referring to the stories that he and Josh ‘learned’ the spread from Meyer. They did, of course, appropriate some plays, changed various things to match their system, and talked to quite a few other coaches, past and present, that year. There were, no doubt, changes.
It’s just that from reading what many are putting up – and this is no knock on you – it seems that people believe that NE runs the spread based on Meyer’s info and scheme, and that’s at best overstated. They ran spread formations prior to this visit and they ran them after. Everyone put in their take – Weis, BB, McD, Meyer and several others. Make a heck of a run at undefeated, too. Great game by the Giants that year.
It all starts with the lines
how come no one's asking about his real problem?
taking snaps and reading a defense from under center?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Probably because he has so many
things to work on, footwork and timing throws are just another facet of the rebuilding. What is really important is whether he is capable of change. I wouldn’t bet against his accomplishing it…that is a very driven young man.
This
I like this a lot. That’s the feeling I get too.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I thought they were saying last night that his footwork was excellent?
Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960
Maybe he won't have to for a while?
He’s likely going to have time to learn taking snaps from center. He’s used to the shotgun, but McD uses a lot of shotgun, anyways.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 23, 2010 7:52 AM MDT up reply actions
This.
TJ did a statistical analysis during the course of last year that suggested that the shotgun is far more effective in terms of YPP than taking it under center…maybe McD noticed the same thing and is moving towards that with the Tebow pick?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Yeah. If McD thinks that he can run the shotgun better than Orton, maybe we'll see Tebow right away.
Tebow has had a lot of success in the shotgun in college. If the only concern about Tebow is taking snaps from center, why wouldn’t we just use plays that take advantage of his strengths in the shotgun? Given time and practice, Tebow can slowly develop skills with taking direct snaps from under center, but that doesn’t mean he can’t play football. You can teach someone how to go under center.
So, if your only quibble with Tebow is that he might not be able to take snaps from center… then we are making much to do about nothing, IMO. Although, if you look at some of his goal line plays at Florida, he did do well under center. It was rare, but it happened.
If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
PS3 ID: broncomaniac6
by Troy Hufford on Apr 23, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Shotgun
Orton was developed at Purdue in a shotgun offense – it’s not new to him, and he does well in it. The percentages that McD uses the shotgun vs. under center has long been exaggerated, along with how he passes 60+ percent of the time. One reason that the shotgun produced more YPP is that it’s commonly employed in longer yardage situations. Neither is ‘better’. It’s just a matter of using each where they are appropriate.
Two points – First, learning to read defenses from under center isn’t as simple as people, in the glow of getting Tebow, are trying to sell. As McD has pointed out several times, getting the team to the huddle, calling the play, making the checks at the line and calling changes are far less understood by fans, but far more important in terms of the overall play of the QB. However you feel about Tebow, he has a lot to learn.
Second, when people yesterday were extolling Tebow’s footwork, they are talking about his footwork in the shotgun – placing the feet to make the throw, which he does well. Footwork from under center is a different situation entirely, and that’s something that he’ll have to learn.
It all starts with the lines
Thanks for the final leading question there Boydy
His mechanics are no worse than Rivers, but after watching hours of SEC football, he cannot make every throw with as much accuracy as Rivers. Actually, this is a terrible comparison, and really unfair to Tebow, let’s move one.
Maybe. He has a big upside but a giant downside as well. In fact, I think his downside outweighs what we gave up for the possibility of his upside as a QB.
I don’t care about immediate impact. I really don’t. We drafted a QB, and I want a full-functioning QB. If I wanted Josh Cribbs, I would have waited until round eight. Oh wait, there isn’t a round eight.
Yes, but he ran an offense does not translate all that well to the NFL and does not place the weight on his shoulders to make pre-snap reads or many of the other heady things that Peyton Manning certainly demonstrated at TN. Do I know exactly what I am talking about? No, I don’t, but neither do you. What I can say is that Peyton Manning was viewed by most NFL experts as more NFL ready than Tebow.
Of course, he can succeed. I hope he does, but I would like just for once for Denver to make the smart pick rather than the bold move. We could have built several facets of our team, but we put lots of eggs, physically or symbolically, in the Tebow basket. I don’t like it. Bad move in my opinion.
This is a ridiculous question and totally unfair.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:36 PM MDT reply actions
Read my post above...
But McD’s and NE’s system is built around and based off Florida’s system…so yeah…he is a great fit!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Lots of differences
Otherwise Texas Tech and Oregon State would be pumping out NFL-ready QBs.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:44 PM MDT up reply actions
"Built around and based off"
Is taking it a little far, don’t you think?
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I think we're the only two left :p
I hope you don’t take the ‘persecution’ comments too hard. As a religious minority it’s just a frustrating pattern of behavior that I would call a myth. Much like claiming this nation was founded by Christians, on Christian values. (Hint: It’s ‘deists’ and ‘enlightenment’, respectively)
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
No problem, friend.
Although I find “centering” myself in a spiritual manner helpful, and although it is easier for me in a structured environment, there are a million different paths to the top of the mountain. I would rather “judge” a person’s ethical merit by how good his view of the scenary he has achieved…combination of altitude and not having obstructions to his long-distance view.
by idahobronc on Apr 23, 2010 12:45 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well put.
+1
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I don't understand why people say he' s not accurate
He’s completed a great % of his passes, and had a ridiculous career TD-INT ratio. People seem to rank his accuracy along the ranks of Kyle Boller or something, as if they’re putrid. But there’s simply no strong evidence to support that claim. It simply reeks of ‘truthiness’.
by RockyMountainHigh on Apr 22, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Over 70% of his passes in college!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Passing % at Florida...
Because most of the passes were options, if somone wasn’t wide open, Tebow would just run. Thus, it’s not fair to compare his percentages to drop-back passers.
Peyton was number one overall, not 25!
He was our second choice in the first round. The upside far outwieghs the downside! Draft picks are over rated. Most of them ride the bench for three years and then are gone. One franchise player is worth it. We still have plenty of picks. Let’s build our O and D line!
Well, I will say one positive thing
Hopefully this will end the Kyle Orton era sooner than later
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I will say a positive thing as well
Tebow may not be as accurate of a passer as Orton, but he sure is more mobile.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Apr 22, 2010 10:38 PM MDT reply actions
I love this pick. Absolutely love it.
That is all. I’m going to bed.
The bad thing about doing nothing is that when you get tired, you can't stop and rest.
I'm really bummed in the worst kind of way...
We could have just drafted the great all-time NFL QB of the future, and we have a great HC who I think can pull it off. If you look at the way the college systems are ran these days, most players are running a completely different system than they run in the NFL. At some point this Urban Meyer spread attack is going to seep into the NFL mainstream. McD himself said NE stole a bunch of Meyer’s plays three years ago, which also happened to be the greatest offensive season in NFL history by the team that stole those plays. When you have guys like Bill Belichick and Mike Shannahan nosing around in the swamp getting ideas, it says something. Furthermore, Gil Brandt has mentioned this transformation regularly on the radio shows I listen to every day. Gil Brandt.
That’s very exciting stuff. So, why am I so bummed?
Because I can’t freaking stand Tim Tebow! He’s easily my least favorite athlete on the national scene and has been for a long time. I dislike the guy more than ARod, and I really can’t stand ARod. I’ve taken part in so much Tebow bashing the last few autumns that my cell phone lit up like a christmas tree when he put on that Broncos cap. There were some good laughs in the homes of my close friends tonight. I know it’s petty to dislike someone based on a media persona, and I think I’m better than that, it’s just something about the kid that rubs me the wrong way. He comes off as the modern uber-version of Eddie Haskell. Something about him seems so contrived and disingenuous. I would be lying if I didn’t mention how much I dislike people pushing their religion in my face. I cringe every time I hear an athlete thank Jesus for his or her performance or “god given talents”, and Tebow takes the religion stuff to a whole other level.
More than anything, I need to grow up a bit and not be so judgmental, especially to someone I have never met and have no clue about what he is really like. I’m going to go back to square one with this kid and try to give him a fair shake, but it’s going to take some time. I’m just really freaked out by the thought of having to cheer for the guy. Really freaked out. I’m a Bronco first and I’m just going to have to get over it, because if there are two people in the world whom I wouldn’t be against in pulling this whole thing off, it’s Josh McDanials and Tim Tebow.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
by ButteBronco on Apr 22, 2010 10:55 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs
You are a honest man Butte...
But look into his character. Loved ny all his coaches and team mates…..and I am sure all those people are not wrong. And if he fits mcD’s mould, then we have to trust him.
The kid is growing on me! And he is nowhere near as bad as Kurt Warner with the God Squader stuff.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Kurt Warner took thumping to new levels as a pro.
Can you blame him? No. From Europe to SB-winning QB would make many men converts…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Great comment
Highly, highly rec’d, Big Sky Bro.
I’m on the fence, personally — I’m wary, mostly because of all the notoriety, good and bad. But I’m hopeful because it appears there is enough potential in Tebow that, if McDaniels can capitalize on his upside, we’re going to have some exciting football before us.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2010 11:04 PM MDT up reply actions
ButteBronco, this is the best criticism of Tebow I have heard.
I love the pick. I also understand your dislike of personality. At least you are being honest. I hate Brady Quinn! Mainly because I know he will never win anything. He is too pretty! I don’t like the religion being pushed on me either. I am hoping he will keep that to himself. But everything else is all good to me. The media has hyped this kid beyond belief. If he had what the press calls a good throwing motion, he would have gone #1 over all. One thing is for sure, he will put it all out there on the field every Sunday.
It seems ludicrous to despise someone because of their religion.
Would you feel that way if someone named Mohammad praised Allah for his athletic gifts?
I mean come on…your beliefs are yours and his are his. So what if he is out with them. You getting down on him for sharing his beliefs is like him or people like him getting down on openly gay people.
Both sides of the coin strike me as hypocritical.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
I'd rather despise piece of shit human beings like Ben Rothlesberger.
That seems like a more appropriate target for unmitigated hatred.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
oh i and i did rec yo comment. ;-)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
wait
are you telling yourself that you rec’d your comment? ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2010 11:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks dude.
I just want to clarify that I do not have anything against religious people. I didn’t even come close to saying that I “despise him because of his religion”. I simply stated that I dislike it when people push their religion into my face, whether it’s Allah, Buddha, Jesus, or any other religion or religious figure. I don’t dislike or “hate” people who do this, or the religious public by any means, it just annoys me. That’s all I said. Please re-read that part of my comment.
Furthermore, the religion part of my post has nothing to do with the judgmental part, imo. I feel I’m judging him on the disingenuous, Eddie Haskell comments. I’m not judging him on his over-the-top, bible-verse-on-eye-black, “god bless” stuff. That stuff annoys me, he does it. Period. I’m not really being judgmental there. Just annoyed.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
by ButteBronco on Apr 22, 2010 11:41 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah I was about to post...
That I’ll take Tebow any day over Rothlisberger….I kind of hoped Ben got traded to Oakland cause it would be even MORE fun to hate them.
Read butte's lower post Zap.
Then ask yourself if you’d think as highly of his character as if he touted Buddah, or Allah, or the fact that he’s a non-believer as the reason why he’s a great person/athlete/winner/whatever. I sincerely doubt you would, but I can guarantee that butte and I would harbor just the same contempt. Well, maybe not if he gave credit to the lack of a god :p…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Ummm
Ryan Harris is a Muslim, and I’ve never heard anyone give him beef for it. So it’s hard for me to take your meaning. Cuz I think we can all agree that his character isn’t in question.
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 23, 2010 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions
One more thing to remember
the Mediea has made a much bigger deal of his Christianity than he has. He goes on missions and says God bless, but it really doesn’t go much further than that…until Utah MSM people start asking about his virginity…I don’t see much more pushiness from him than from Dawkins. Really look at it, and if all else fails. Blame the MEDIA! lol
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 11:11 PM MDT up reply actions
BTW. Rec'd for honesty and lookin at yourself.
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 22, 2010 11:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Nicely stated; hard work, looking at yourself, isn't it?
Oddly, the more you do it, the less judgemental of others you become.
One of the best lyrics ever:
‘You have to have a hole in your own to point a finger at somebody else’s sheet." Mike Cooley, Drive by Truckers
I try really hard not to judge people You’re right, one needs to identify when it happens, or even better before it happens, if he’s going to learn anything about himself. I’m guilty here, may as well own up to it and get beyond it.
Won't bow. Don't know how.
by ButteBronco on Apr 22, 2010 11:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Great song!
Didn’t you just decide to swear of judging? Don’’t judge yourself! :)
Hey, I spent 3 years in Montana as a Grizzley….Fond memories of good years. I never noted any strong anit-religious expressions of opinion, just a strong independent streak and a dislike of California transplants buying up property. Have things happened to change the situation changed since the 70s?
As a current Griz
no, nothing’s changed. Butte and I just happen to feel the same way. Believe me, y’all have the same majority up here as anywhere else in this country.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
+1
Looks like those folks down in CO have forgotten to be true Westerners. And hey BM, it’s not just my Missoula showing, after all :p. I too have the same process to go through BB, but I can’t guarantee I’ll follow you through completely with it. I’m still going to cringe when he mentions Jesus—does that mean that I don’t when Dawkins does? Absolutely not. But we’ll just have to learn how to find a way to love him as the Bronco he is.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
I am going to rec
this because you are being completely honest to why you do not like Tebow. Most people on here are just repeating a bunch of stuff they read by some MSM writer as reasons to why they do not like Tebow.
by gnarlybroncodude on Apr 23, 2010 12:49 AM MDT up reply actions
At the risk of really pissing some people off...
Can I get a big, Praise Jeeee-sus!
Sorry, I’m a big Simpsons fan. :)
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
lol
this
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 22, 2010 11:38 PM MDT up reply actions
Probably will piss somebody off, actually :(
Seems that the only people who are denied “Christian charity” and tolerance are Christians.
yes, you're all immensly persecuted in this country
if you continue this line of reasoning after the Christian Legal Society wins a court case when claiming that they’re being discriminated against by not being allowed to discriminate if they want public funding, I’ll puke…
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Never get involved in legal issues, just personal interactions.
That case just indicates poor use of the “justice” system. Please don’t puke; I hear it is rough on your teeth due to the high stomach acid content! :)
Nice!
Hopefully we will be getting a lot of those. The Mile High solute may have a whole new meaning!
Stunned!
If you just look at what we started the day with and how we ended it’s shocking!
We really only lost a 4th round draft choice for an exciting new wide receiver with Demaryius Thomas and we get Tebow who at the very least guarantees that we will hear the Broncos mentioned on Sportscenter for years to come!
Yes we dropped 11 spots in the first, but that was exactly what we wanted and we also dropped 7 spots in the 3rd but that hardly seems like a painful loss.
Overall that was a great first day! Go BRONCOS!!
I feel good, BUT
we have still to address those needs in the OL. I don’t care if it is by draft, from in-house, or FA … whatever, as long as it is accomplished. Do that, and I will be ready for some football!.
this
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
Nothing to add, really...
except that you should add ten to the number in your sn.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
So we traded a 4th that we didn't need to for Thomas...
…and a handful of picks for Gino Toretta (or Danny Wuerffel) when NOBODY else was going to beat us to him. Great, add those to the Smith pick last year and FIRE McD. I’m so disappointed.
I agree with your reasoning...kinda...
but not your extremity. I’ll be right with you if everything you just said (I’m assuming you think the Smith pick was in poor form) turns out to be true.
Because Montana has no professional sports, I gotta support the land of my birth.
Socrates was once executed for 'trolling'.
^Needs explaining: don't call someone asking uncomfortable, slightly antagonistic questions *for the purpose of learning* trolls. It's real easy to differentiate a 'Socratic' post from a trolling one.
What the hell McDaniels?
Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.
I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Getting Social With MHR
Web Stuff
In Association With
Shutdown Corner - NFL - Yahoo! Sports
- Detroit Lions DT Nick Fairley arrested again; now has more NFL arrests than NFL sacks
- Former high-school star Brian Banks does serious time on trumped-up charge, now hopes for an NFL shot
- Former ‘idiot kicker’ Mike Vanderjagt in trouble after accosting junior-high heckler
- Adrian Peterson blows teammates away in footraces; appears to be on the mend
- UPDATE: Charlie Sheen didn’t buy Lawrence Taylor’s Super Bowl ring
