A Message from Tebow's Biggest Bronco Critic
by sadaraine on Apr 23, 2010 12:26 AM MDT
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PrintSo my biggest nightmare has come true for this Merry Draftivus: We drafted Tim Tebow. Not only did we draft him, but we traded 3 picks to move into the first round and draft him. I've got some thoughts after the Jump for all of us to ponder and some messages for our family here.
I'll say this first off: As much as I hate this pick, I love this kid's attitude. He is determined and he is going to need every ounce of that determination to make it in the NFL. I absolutely do love having guys like Tebow and Dawkins on my team...they inspire their teammates and that is a valuable thing to have on your team.
Next, a message for all the doomsayers out there: Stop being hateful please. It is pointless to dredge ourselves in negativity about a player at this stage in the process without seeing what happens. This "bone-headed" pick may be our next answer at the QB position...I don't think he will, but he might. You don't know until you give them a chance to learn, practice, and perform on the field. If you want to hate on McDaniels, Tebow, Xanders, or anyone else on our football team, please go here as you will find more like-minded fans that will appreciate your tastes more. (Note: that doesn't mean you have to love or even like this pick, it means that you don't just spread junk all over...back up your opinions with stats, supporting facts, etc if you must voice your negativity, don't just talk trash)
Congrats to Sayre and all other Tebow fans: I have yet to have a real hero in a draft like Tebow come along that my team has drafted. I am sure you guys are super stoked and are relishing in this. Do that...don't let anyone talking trash get you down. Cheer our beloved Broncos on and Tebow as he is now part of our team.
He's now a Bronco: Whether we think it is a good idea or not, our team's leaders have decided that he belongs on our team. Cheer him on and hope for the best for him. He wears the Orange and Blue now and is part of our family. It may be tempting to hope that he falls on his face (believe me...it is very tempting), but that is not the right thing to do in my opinion. Kick guys out of town, boo them on the field, and post about how much they suck when they show they are either incompetent (Maurice Clarett) or don't want to be part of our team (Brandon Marshall, Jay Cutler, Tony Scheffler). Until they show us they don't belong, cheer for them all to do a great job on the football field. Here's a quote from our newest QB that speaks volumes to me:
To be honest, I will wear whatever number they want me to wear. If that's 15, I'll wear 15. If that's 95, I'll wear 95. I don't really care, just as long as I can wear a Denver Broncos jersey.
Yes ladies and gentlemen, even if you don't like the draft pick, this kid WANTS to play for our team. I have nothing but respect for this.
Finally, a message for Tim if he reads the blog:
Tim Tebow, I ask only one thing from you as you start your career as a part of my family: PROVE ME WRONG. Count me as a critic that you say pushes you to achieve...you have a long and difficult road ahead of you. I will hope and pray for you and am very happy today that you are a Denver Bronco. I may not be a fan of our team picking you this way, but I will be one of your biggest fans now that you are a part of our family. GO BRONCOS!
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Bravo
I’m on the fence about the pick, but I can’t help liking Tebow a little more with every interview he gives. He is a dedicated hardworking young man who hopefully through that hard work will be successful. He seems to be completely sincere about his ability to be successful, and I’m sure will be a great role model for the young people in Denver. I hope that he is able to fill the role that Marshall is leaving in working with Reverend Kelly and can be a positive influence for years to come as a successful Bronco.
Rec'd
How to be against a pick without being a …..anyway. Rec’d again.
The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...
by Welcome2Boise on Apr 23, 2010 12:45 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Well said sadarine..................
I was neither for or against Tebow, more lukewarm than anything. But now that he is a Bronco, I am firmly seated on his bandwagon and will remain there as long as he is working his butt off to help the Broncos, maybe even longer just because he is a high character guy.
C'mon draft! I am ever the optimist! What a fun time of year!
I'm similar
I don’t watch college ball, just don’t really have time with life going on, and when a player is hyped like Tebow is I ignore them even harder.
My tradition of Draftivus is probably backwards to some people, but I go about it by:
a. looking at mock drafts because there is no way to avoid that.
b. watching NFL games, not college games.
c. actually watching the draft to see who we DO end up picking
d. THEN and ONLY THEN watching film on the guy.
I knew more about Tebow because of his hype than I did about any other player, and while I did see a lot of skeptics, I don’t see one single reason not to like this guy on our team, in our family.
He is a little more preachy than I like, but thats his WORST quality….and thats saying alot.
His mechanics don’t look all that bad from what I can tell. He has a skill set that will re-define the QB position. Think Michael Vick….but without all the dog killing, and Diva drama. (also Tebow only throws lefty, not both, oh and he’s white…in case you didn’t notice….but OTHERWISE similar)
I was a huge fan of Vick’s skillset and actually was an advocate of getting him on our team even WITH his problems. But I think we did better than Vick. We got a guy who will never be satisfied. a guy who will always be hungry. A guy with good Moral Fiber that our kids can look up to….(not mine obviously being single and not a parent BUT some of you ARE)
I love our picks in the First round, I would have liked to get some Line guys that we need, but from what I can tell we’ve got plenty of time for that.
GO BRONCS!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
by DenBronx on Apr 23, 2010 7:13 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Redefine the QB position
I personally don’t think Vick is a good example…Elway is a much better example. If you really think about it Elway was a lot like Vick back in the day, only bigger and tougher and smarter and more accurate.
Elway redefined the QB position, by being more mobile, larger and more durable. I would even say Elway paved the way for a player like Tebow to be drafted in the 1st round.
Honestly this is an argument I considered making but....
I am not so sure that Tebow deserves to be compared to Elway. at least not yet.
But I agree, my original argument made outside of MHR is
Elway = Good Mobile QB / Great Arm and accuracy.
Tebow= GREAT Mobile QB/ good arm and accuracy.
So similar yet so opposite. Tebow = Elway in toughness, (dare I say maybe greater? NO I can’t do that…but playing an entire game with a broken leg…..)
But yes I do believe that Tebow will have an impact AS profound on the NFL as that bow-legged kid who refused to play for the Baltimore Colts….our one…our only….the great Numero 7!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
sorry....not sure why I said bow-legged....
Elways was KnockKneed please disregard that false statement above, I was not thinking clearly
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Must be the afterglow of Floyd Little making the HOF.
You’ve got bow-legged rattling around in your brain!
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
by db8632 on Apr 23, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
THAT EXPLAINS IT!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Thanks for all the Rec'ds
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Apr 23, 2010 12:50 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Well earned.
THAT, my friend, is how it is done.
Congratulations on a well written post!
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"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 23, 2010 11:49 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks a bunch Steve
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Great post
I couldn’t agree more with your entire post.
"Cheering for the Lakers, Cowboys or Yankees is like going to Vegas, standing behind the dealer and cheering for the house."
Good Read
I have just been a McDaniels supporter but in the last 2 years(less)
Denver traded Jay Cutler
Denver traded for Kyle Orton
Denver traded up in 6th for Tom Brandsetter
Denver traded 2 – 2011 picks for Brady Quinn
Denver traded 3 picks for Tim Tebow
I just miss John Elway , Rod Smith , Ed MaCafferty , Al Wilson , Tom Nalen.
I liked McD's post-round 1 Wrap-up.
He doesn’t just think the QB position is a slot to fill with a good body. In fact, he values the QB position so highly that he has brought in sufficient competition and talent to make it the best on the team. I’ve got no qualms with that.
Bill Belichik had four QB’s on his roster at one time and they ended up with a Superbowl-Winning Tom Brady. If we happen to garner the same amount of luck, Tebow – with all his intangibles and athleticism – may even outshine that “pro-bowl/franchise/MVP” quarterback everyone always goes on and on about.
"I have no right, by anything I do or say, to demean a human being in his own eyes. What matters is not what I think of him; it is what he thinks of himself." - Antoine de Exupery
Weatherspoon for 2010! And at #11 if need be!
by Alexander Wall on Apr 23, 2010 3:26 AM MDT up reply actions
I'm sure McDaniels would love to have any of those guys on his team.
Unfortunately time progresses and even a legend like John Elway cannot play forever.
Not to mention this years' 1 for Smith!
How great would it have been to have the 11 and the 14 in this draft?
"Luck is the residue of design" -- Branch Rickey
Is McDaniels a genius...or...
is he like a kid that always wants new toys…time will tell…I am not convinced that we have gotten equal value for all of the trades, but if Tebow becomes the latest McDaniels protege that becomes a stud, then I guess all will be forgotten…As a Bronco fan, I will hope for Tebow’s success….but I cannot help but wonder if McDaniels might have decided it would be better to get a mobile QB than build an offensive line…and i can’t help but think that our most pressing needs remain…perhaps tomorrow will bring notable improvement to our offensive line, get us a center and perhaps a run stopper…but I have the distinct sense that we will pick Toby Gerhart early tomorrow and after that be left with mid level options to fill our glaring holes…I’ll root for Tebow to succeed, and I will also hope that McDaniels is a genius….sadly if not, we are in for a rough couple of years in Bronco-land. How odd is it that the Raiders made a sound pick and it is the Broncos that went off the reservation…yikes
What if you don't know Jack....but Jack knows you?
even though we have needs at LB and OL I will be stoked if we pick up Gerhart. I love the kid
and want another Stanford #7 on the Broncos even if it means ignoring a need. BPA rules the day it seems.
by BroncoMath101 on Apr 23, 2010 1:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Something to consider
Last year, lots of very vocal folks were insisting that we absolutely had to draft defensive linemen. We drafted exactly 1, while drafting 3 offensive trench guys (Quinn, Olsen, Schleuter).
Then, lo and behold, our defense went from 30th in points allowed to 12th, and from 29th in yards allowed to 7th.
Now, lots of vocal folks are insisting that we absolutely have to draft offensive linemen.
It will be interesting to see what happens, both in the remainder of the draft, and in the 2010 season.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Apr 23, 2010 8:06 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
well put. my fears exactly
I feel like we still have a number of holes to fill. It goes without saying Rounds 2 and 3 will be incredibly important, imo even more so than last night.
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by HockeyHippie on Apr 23, 2010 1:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Not a fan of the pick but I'll say one thing about McD...
The guy has big brass ones and even though I don’t agree with trading away so much for another QB I love that our coach doesn’t care what the fans or MSM think and does what he thinks is best for the building of our football team. I love that confidence and really hope it serves him well. I’m not surprised by anything anymore and actually laughed when this pick happened even though I dreaded it. Go get em coach. I hope it doesn’t prove your undoing because I really love what you are about and how you want to build this team.
by BroncoMath101 on Apr 23, 2010 1:31 AM MDT reply actions 10 recs
+1
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Apr 23, 2010 2:25 AM MDT up reply actions
Ah yes
Udo and the boys. Sweet reference NYCB!
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
or TNT....cuz.....
This draft is DY-NO-MITE!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Well said and Rec'd...
to bad all of us Bronco fans can’t be team players also and wish the best with whom ever is wearing our colors, but then we wouldn’t have all these great debates…..
Great post and great fan Sadaraine
Thank you much!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.
And in this case, it was only once for the Raiders. Not that I agree the Raiders had a better draft day than the Broncos. The Raiders draft day is considered “good” because they only had one pick and they actually used it sensibly for a change (Heyward-Bey anyone?). The Broncos may not have made the easy or safe choices, but implying they were bad picks is a little presumptuous (again I ask, Heyward-Bey anyone?). The draft is far from over, though, so you might want to hold off on that (very premature) judgment, especially with regards to the Raiders. Davis and company still have PLENTY of time to remind us just how utterly insane they are. :-)
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Apr 23, 2010 2:34 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
IMO your draft was still better even if you did make some strange picks
The raiders have way more holes than you guys do at this point
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
That's right, the draft is over and we really f'd it up
McClain could have a Crohn’s flare-up like Haleys’ Comet tomorrow and not play football again.
We’re only at the end of the 1st round. Now we’re at the rounds 2-7, where NFL teams are really built.
You sir need to re-read the OP
I think you are missing the boat completely.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Eagles fan here
came over to see how you guys were taking the Tebow pick and im surprised
“I absolutely do love having guys like Tebow and Dawkins on my team…they inspire their teammates and that is a valuable thing to have on your team.” God i absolutely hate you guys for having Dawk
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
Yeah, don't feel too sorry for you there. :-)
How do you feel about our old coach having your old QB?
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on Apr 23, 2010 2:35 AM MDT up reply actions
Eh I understand why he was traded
business wise it makes a lot of sense. The only part that irked me was that it was to the Skins. It was like ughhh really?!?! its not like he was terrible I realize he is on the down slide of his career but we dont have the pass rush to keep him under control 100%, well we might now. I just hope Shanahan ( i spelled that terrible) pulls another Elway type thing with Supa 5
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
yep you might have that pass rush now
Sure looks like it got a lot better today!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 23, 2010 3:14 AM MDT up reply actions
Yea
hopefully we have a nasty rush this year. Trent Cole was a top 5 last year with the faceless masses playing the opposite end of the line. Now that we have a play maker there Trent Cole is gunna have a amazing year
just decided they should add something to the health care bill. Everyone should be made to get a membership to a gym and must use it. If not then they should be penalized for not taking care of themselves. All in favor? Oh wait...it doesn't matter what we think.
We will take that as a compliment
We love and covet Dawkins. We still count ourselves as very lucky that your FO let him get away.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Thanks!! We
hate you too…..no….wait….that other one
WE LOVE YOU FOR GIVING US DAWK,BUCK duo!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
by DenBronx on Apr 23, 2010 10:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Kudos sadaraine
Pure class, amigo.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 23, 2010 3:15 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Nothing against TT
I do expect he will be counted amoung the elite of the league in years to come, and he will be wearing blue and orange when he is.
I just love me some BIG guys! You know, the ugly ones with teeth busted out, noses bent at funny angles, and yessss ……. grass stains on the jerseys. We have not been beating anyone up in the trenches. To win we need to break some noses and roll in the mud.
I was neutral but as he was picked I found myself being thrilled
I’m excited about Tim Tebow. Rather that look in my crystal ball and predict failure or success, I’m excited that we have a guy who – potentially – could be the face of the Broncos for the next 15 years. Those don’t come along very often. I admire McD for having the moxy to trust his instinct and take a chance to thrust the Broncos to greatness.
So good luck Mr Tebow. We’re entrusting our future greatness to you for a while.
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by orange&blue_aussie on Apr 23, 2010 5:24 AM MDT reply actions
Very well said. Recd.
"A man can fail, but he is not a failure until he blames someone else." J. Paul Getty
Sadarain, I knew you were a straight up dude..
even during the most heated debates I backed you privately even though I disagreed with you about Tebow.
As for the pick….coudl go either way, but I am not unhappy Tebow is a Bronco.
A guy who actually wants to BE a Bronco…
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Yup...thanks Tim!
That’s the great thing about our blog…we can have opinionated heated debates without warts and fear of turning to stone in the sunlight. :)
I can stomach 8-8 if that is the best we can do…at least we know the guys we have on the team want to play for us. I’m tired of the primadonna whinny “I should be paid more” “football” players. Really happy McDaniel is tossing them out.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I like the guy. Not sure how I felt about the value of the pick, but it’s clear that the FO doesn’t care what anyone else thinks about a player. They simply evaluate and just go get him.
It’s pretty clear that he will have a positively infectious affect on the locker room. I don’t know how you to be around that kid and not love trying to improve.
And between him and Dawk, McDaniels might be asked to quit his “MF” cursing on game days…. :)
I can just see someone...
…talking in the pew behind McDaniels, and McDaniels shouts out, “Hey! I’m trying to listen to a MFing service here!!”
Sorry about that folks. Sorry.
lol
Formerly known as Hoosierteacher or just HT.
"I presume that all of you here think me worthy of pity. But Great God, when I think I was on the point of doing nothing, I consider myself worthy of envy." Jean Valjean, Hugo's Les Miserables
by Steve Nichols on Apr 23, 2010 2:41 PM MDT up reply actions 3 recs
It is my understanding that Tebow becomes possessed during games...
I doubt MF’s will bother him when the game is on the line. Just like BDAwk
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
MY
love for you is ticking clock BerSERkur
Would you like to #$% #$ #$%# BERSERKER!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
by DenBronx on Apr 23, 2010 10:59 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Sadaraine...
You have expressed my feelings near perfectly…I have been a supporter of McDnX right from the start and even though I was quite shocked (if not at first, dissapointed) at the Tebow pick, I will continue to support the direction he is taking the Team…I have trusted their plan up to now and will do so going forward, with faith that they knows our needs much better than any of the rest of us…
I have rooted for and marveled at all that Tebow has brought to the field while he was at Florida, and I will certainly root hard (and hopefully marvel) for him to be successful as a Bronco…
After all is said and done, I reamin a Bronco fan through and through and I am looking forward to seeing how McD manages integrating Tim into our offense…Now let’s go get us some solid support for our 2 first rounders and get to work getting ready for the 2010 season…
Go Broncos…13-3 Baby…Until we aint!
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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 23, 2010 7:30 AM MDT reply actions 3 recs
Well stated Rich and thanks!
I believe we are headed in a direction that we will be very proud of in a few years. It’s interesting how some feel the lifeblood of the Broncos has become let out and is dying. I see a team that is being resuscitated and revived…Maybe I’m too much of an optimist, but I love the Broncos as much as anyone and just 3 days ago I came on board with this young man after realizing that I have been wrong in my thinking and only wanted what I wanted…A certain player I won’t name. Here is to the Broncos future and let’s hope for lot’s and lot’s of playoffs in the coming years.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 23, 2010 10:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Not a fan of the pick- and think we should have gone for defense or OL. Nothing against the kid, but we couldn’t run the ball or stop the run; a project QB doesn’t fix that. Until that is fixed, we will have a mediocre record.
I did like the WR pick, as he seems like a good blocker- and is way cheaper than a “franchise” WR (did I really hear Steve Young say that last night?). The first round is in the books, though- now we should go after the second tier, interior players that are available. I think trying to go to a power-blocking team was a bad fit for our roster, and we need a lot of turnover to get that type of player. Power teams (usually) also have a stout defense, and ours is….. well, suspect. Tebow can’t help there, so I’m really not enthused about his selection.
Hope I’m proven wrong- but time will tell…….
Not a fan of this pick. Don't hate it though.
I don’t know. I can wait for these 1st rounders to develop because they are both long term projects.
It’s impossible not to like Tebow because he is a stand up dude and will put in the work. That said, I hate the idea of having a running QB. I’ll always be worried that he gets hurt and we’re watching a backup play. That he is a lefty with Clady at LT makes it even worse. At least we’ll keep Harris though.
If we suit him up as the 3rd string QB, can be play in every game this season assuming we also play Orton and have the option the play Quinn. I never understood that NFL rule where 3rd QBs play and the starters can’t be subbed back in. I don’t care what Bena says, we need Tebow to play in 2010 even if it’s just Wild Horses and goal to go situations. He should absolutely NOT get the luxury of a red shirt season and I doubt he wants one anyway.
In my opinion.
Elway was a runner....also sacked 550 times in his career....
Elway also had a few concussions. I like the pick.
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The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Elway was one of the best QB prospects ever.
Elway was a much better passing prospect than Tebow and not nearly as good a runner. An Elway to Tebow comparision doesn’t make sense.
You’d compare Elway to a Locker and Tebow to I don’t know??? Tebow is one of a kind.
In my opinion.
You said it
Tebow is absolutely unique in his skills and situation.
That’s why he was projected to go anywhere from round 1 to round 5.
No one knows what to make of him. He’s a Space Oddity.
I actually would compare Tebow to Elway but....
not in the traditional sense. I stated earlier (up there ! ^ ) that Elway was to throwing what Tebow is to mobility. And Elway was to Running, what Tebow is to throwing.
I think they are SO SIMILAR yet TOTALLY DIFFERENT!!!!
But both have Balls of solid Titanium and I LOVE IT
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
by DenBronx on Apr 23, 2010 11:03 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
So how did you handle the early Elway years?
LOL…if you were like me, you were about to have a heart-attack every time he scrambled out of the pocket…it sure made for exciting football though. I especially like when he rolled to a side where there was only one WR and a CB on him and the CB had to decide if he was going to cover the WR or try to contain Elway.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
And its a good thing # 7 could play through
about 15 knee surgeries. Absolutely amazing. Oh, and don’t froget blowing a tendon in his throwing arm and losing nothing!
I agree about the "Running QB' comment
but, I do like that he can use his feet. Maybe Orton can learn something about footwork from Tebow. Orton moves like he has lead weights in his shoes at times.
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"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Call me a cynic but I cannot understand the logic behind selecting Tebow. There are soo many holes in the defense…the offensive line could have even used help. The secondary(Bailey,Dawkins) is aging and needs to be addressed. We have Orton, traded for Quinn, drafted Brandstaters last yr and now Tebow??? That’s a lot of money that will be used towards Tebow as a 1st rd pick that may not even start right away if at all. Makes no sense…
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"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
He going to the practice squad ...
you can take that to the bank! Orton won’t be resigned at the end of the season, he will want too much money and there is not enough value.
Brandstater was only a 6th
He is probably gone (see McGeorge’s comment).
This is a deep draft…there are some great guys farther down at C, OG, and ILB. The draft is far from over.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Eagles fan prospective
I think you boys are going to be ok… you have shown with last years trade of Cutler, the FA move for Dawkins and now this year’s trade of Marshall and Sheffler that your FO values high moral character and passonate players. With every move the Broncos make I grow more and more impressed with your organization.
Tebo is a hell of a player, the media has all but destroyed his image and over hyped his arm motion. He will be a natural leader on that team and your boys will ralley behind him. Dont fear fellas, not only have you improved your locker room moral ten fold but you have aquired a hell of an athlete. Good luck Broncs…..
"I don't have to worry about the Washington Redskins, I have to worry about the Philadelphia Eagles."- Andy Reid
by MeanGreen5 on Apr 23, 2010 7:56 AM MDT reply actions 9 recs
Thanks for the cross-blogging
We appreciate you guys stopping by!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Apr 23, 2010 9:58 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks for the kind words sir...And good luck with the rest of the draft.
by bfree2bronc on Apr 23, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions
Classy comment,thanks
I hope you have a good rest of the draft!
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
totally agree about the media mugging of Tebow.
Amazing how even a stampede of sheep can accumulate so much power.
sadaraine KUDOS - KUDOS-KUDOS
Well written a true Blue & Orange Bronco’s Fan. Now sit back and let the 2nd ERA begin. The first ERA was lead by John Elway he had a tough road to hoe and was despised by many especially the Colts’ fans. Because he challenged the Colts & NFL by refusing to play in Baltimore and finally traded to Broncos 27 years ago 1983. I think Tebow is motivated to prove everyone wrong – thank you McD & X
oc60
"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."
by oc60 on Apr 23, 2010 8:06 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Gear down there big-shifter!
Let’s not crown his @$$ yet…he hasn’t even gone to training camp!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
No need to draft Gerhart.
Tebow is now your short yardage runner. Denver has had a hard time converting short yardage situations and punching it in once they get inside the 5. McDaniels will use Tebow in these situations.
Florida won their first NC under Urban with Leak as the starting QB and replacing him with Tebow on short yardage and goal line situations. Everyone knew that Tebow would run the ball when he was in the game(usually to the left) and they still could not stop him. At 245 pounds he can run over you and is still athletic enough to make you miss. If you load up the box Tebow can also beat you with the pass.
Initially Denver will use Tebow in a similar fashion. Denver looked great on offense with Cutler yardage wise, but they had a hard time finishing inside the 10. Tebow is a finisher. He will pick up first downs and score TDs. Look for Tebow to run 6 to 10 plays per game this year. Over time maybe he can develop into a full time QB.
I like the pick. Someone else would have grabbed him in the first round. Tebow is a proven winner with a nose for the first down and the endzone. Worst case scenario you end up with a wildcat QB or Hback who will average 8 touchdowns a season.
Like Gruden said , “Tebow will revolutionize the game.” Football is constantly changing from the no huddle to the wildcat. It has become very specialized with 3rd down backs, nickel and dime packages, etc. Tebow with his size adds another dimension to the wildcat. He brings instant power and toughness to the Bronco offense.
Go Broncos!!!
by drewwojo on Apr 23, 2010 8:18 AM MDT reply actions 7 recs
Very astute analysis! Summed my thoughts up exactly!
I will be very disappointed if we draft Gerhart. I think we have other needs first, and as you stated, Tebow will most likely be our RZ QB…at least from the 5 yard line in….
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Nice insight
This is absolutely the wise way to go about the Tebow project. Get him some game time without sacrificing the QB position (see Cutler starting over Plummer). Count me in as a guy who is very interested to see Tebow in short-yardage situations.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I'm thinking he's going to look very good on roll outs.
If this be Hell, let us make the most of it!
by Trinidad Jack on Apr 23, 2010 3:32 PM MDT up reply actions
This can only get more interesting
Rec’d Sadaraine!
It takes a lot of constitution and integrity to lay it out like you did. I appreciate anyone who is a true fan, and you totally reflect a good portion of what I feel defines a true fan in this post.
Beautimous.
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Apr 23, 2010 8:23 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Thank you sir
You are a Gentleman and a Scholar. And you obviously have great taste in music as well. (PJ is the greatest Rock Band of our time, no question)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
by sadaraine on Apr 23, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Good for Tebow and Good for the Broncos!
I was thinking our first round pick would be someone different, but I can’t not like this pick…especially after we also got Thomas. The kid win’s games, and that’s the bottom line!
"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
For the most part...
…Denver spent #43 on Tebow and got Thomas plus a 3rd. The other 3rd and 4th that went to Baltimore didn’t exist when the draft started— so Denver essentially manufactured the opportunity to ensure that they landed their guy. This part, I absolutely love. Rolling the dice with the extra second is exactly the type moxie I like to see in from McX. To me, taking risks and playing to win is a refreshing trait in a league that is more defined by being risk averse. Being simply risk averse usually puts the ceiling at average. I, for one, am tired of average. I love having a front offense that knows it’ll get blistered again, yet is willing to make the move anyway. Here’s hoping that they got this one right.
It’s the damnedest thing, though— I can’t work up a strong opinion one way or the other on Tebow. This is as true today as it was 3 months ago. The idea of the best case scenario thrills me to no end, but my layman eye tells me that Tebow has a rough road to hoe ahead of him. Yet everything about his make up suggests that if anybody can do it, he’d be the guy. You want this kind of warrior on your football team, but intangibles don’t mean squat if he isn’t physically capable of getting it done.
No matter, he is ours now. I guess I’m an accidental Tebow fan.
Awesome post, Sadaraine
Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector
by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 23, 2010 8:28 AM MDT reply actions 9 recs
Thank you sir
I really REALLY like how the FO handled their trading in the first round. People may not like the picks, but we only really gave up a 2nd in the long run…
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
thank you at least you're better than MSM...
…just watched a video on yahoo about the trade…they just said we way overtraded for the first round pick…even though many people have calculated the values to be the same…and then said a better value would’ve been like detroit who only gave up a 2nd and a 4th…umm detroit moved up THREE spots…we moved up EIGHTEEN!
i really hope they were just appealing to the ignorant masses when they said that…but it was tiki barber and dan wetzel..it easily could’ve been what they actually thought
Don't hate on the mainstream media
they have to generate hate however they can for anything that someone might get excited about. They are like a constant downer. They will not let logic and facts get in the way of their agenda.
Very good
Again, my issue is not with Tebow the player, one way or another, I agree that we really don’t know one way or another how he will turn out, although my personnel opinion is that he will struggle to become that QB that we all want.
My bigger issue (much like the A. Smith trade last year) is what we had to give up to get him, and that we likely could of waited and got him in the 2nd round and had the other picks. This team has many glaring holes, and I don’t think we really have the luxury of sitting a 1st rounder on the bench for three years hoping he develops. Had we taken him in the 2nd round and not given up three players to get him, I would say kudos to McDaniels, as it stands now, this looks like a horrible reach and a case of falling in love with one player and overpaying for them.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
and that we likely could of waited and got him in the 2nd round and had the other picks.
This doesn’t appear to be accurate. Multiple outlets report that Buffalo was trying to get back into the first round to get him, and Lombardi says Cleveland was in the mix, too.
I didn’t like the Tebow-in-the-first idea, either. But if they really wanted him, they had to make the move. He apparently wasn’t going to last the night.
Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector
by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 23, 2010 9:30 AM MDT up reply actions
Well, that is debatable
Teams through smoke screens up all the time, Buffalo is also reported to be working on a deal for Kyle Orton right now, so I take any of those reports with a big grain of salt. I guess it is the approach I look at, when we were trading back, I thought this is great, McDaniels is following the Pats example and getting better value for his picks, NE never falls in love with a player, they have a strong list of equal value players and say we can trade back get more picks and still have value in whoever is available at a slot, they don’t reach up, they don’t have to have a player, I was hoping McDaniels would follow that philosphy. But that does not seem to be the case, it is obvious he was scared Tebow would not be available and he made the jump and I think payed too high a price in three players for one guy who likely won’t have any impact on the team in his first two years. I just think it is a luxury we can’t afford right now.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
It is easier to have equal value players
at positions other than QB. A QB is so important to a team that you can’t evaluate it like that. You have to go get who you want. I agree you shouldn’t fall in love with a DE or DB though. McD obviously values Tebow’s skill set more than the other QB’s that were out there.
I don't think waiting was a luxury
Everything points to Buffalo getting ready to jump on him at 25 – 27. I think this is seriously a case of McDaniels wanting his player and waiting as long as he comfortably could to get him.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Hopefully
you no longer consider me an embarrassment to the staff on this site
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
No one did.....
And it looks like you are closer to McD’s vision than the rest of us were. So who do you pick for tonight?
(Runs to make Vegas wager…….)
by baselinedenver on Apr 23, 2010 9:14 AM MDT up reply actions
LOL
I did and at the time it was a very accurate position for me to take. There are way to many scenarios possible to keep saying his name over and over again mock after mock after excruciating mock. :)
But hey, mock time is over brotha…that alone means you are no longer an embarrassment. (fair warning: pull that crap again next draft season and I’ll be the first one to give you the same flak) Like every year, NO ONE pegged this year’s draft to work the way it has. It is a sure thing in life along with death and taxes…the NFL draft will not go as expected.
In the past month Tebow’s stock has risen…if you’ll notice I moved my opinion from “Only take him in the 3rd or later” to “I’m cool with taking him in the 2nd”. Given that we only really traded a 2nd for him (if you want to sugar coat it which many of us tend to do), he was well within my personal reason.
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
rec'd.
I am okay with this pick. His uniqueness alone makes it a fun pick. I think he will create himself into something we will all be extremely happy about in the future. D
by Orange and Blue on Apr 23, 2010 9:42 AM MDT reply actions
PS, It is debatable who is Tebow's biggest critic
Sardinne
TJ
Broncofan Stuck in SD
Me
McGeorge
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
I'm down for that debate
and I have the comment history to back up my position. :)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Don't forget me...
I’ve been the guy saying I thought he’d slide to the 3rd because no one would want the project and risk
Sadaraine
I’m Ok, you’re Ok. We’re all gonna be Ok.
Welcome to the fold Tim Tebow.
Nice post.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Rec'd Sadaraine
"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."
Awesome job sadaraine and thanks for the calming words of wisdom.
That’s something I lack from most of the time…
Very well said Sadaraine..
I’m like you, I don’t know if Tebow will become an NFL QB. I’m skeptical, even as a lifelong Gator fan. But……….
I do know two things: 1) That even if Tebow fails as an NFL QB, it will not be for lack of trying. He’s going to give us everything he has. You have to love that in a pick. 2) We will re-coup our financial cost. Easily. Tebow will likely get around $8 million guaranteed. His jersey is going to sell like a top-10 jersey and a whole new world of fans just opened up for the Broncos. Tebow’s marketing capacity is almost worth the investment, but picks lost are hard to overcome.
It’s gonna be a fun two years. Go Broncos!
"You can make mistakes, but you are not a failure until you blame others for those mistakes." -John Wooden
Great Post
I find your attitude and perspective refreshing in the midst of so much nay saying. It is great to see someone who didn’t want Tebow setting an example of what it looks like to support your team and yet reserve the right to critique their actions and withhold judgment until we see the results of this decision play out.
Rec’d
by DoubleJay on Apr 23, 2010 10:30 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
That is exactly what this MF post is about my friend
I can hate without hating, right? :)
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
We pretty much spent a second round pick on him.
We started this draft with a 1st, two 2nd, a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th and a 6th. And a glaring need at Wide Receiver. We now have a big powerful receiver and a second, two 3rds, a fifth and a 6th. So if you look at it for what we gained from the beginning instead of what we gave up, we gave a second for Tebow and traded our 4th for a 3rd.
A Tim Tebow anagram
Tim Tebow, Broncos Bible Thumper = Not Bitch Time, Super Bowl Bomber!
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by Broncs Cheer on Apr 23, 2010 12:58 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Let the healing begin!!
"I will gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today" -- Wimpy J. Wellington
by Broncs Cheer on Apr 23, 2010 1:08 PM MDT up reply actions
LMAO somebody have a little too much free time during the offseason?
we better get you to the preseason, stat!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on Apr 23, 2010 9:55 PM MDT up reply actions
I initially was not a fan of Tebow....
I am still not completely sold on him, but I have gotten past my initial visceral reaction. Having taken a step back and looked at this objectively, I can say that I really love Tebow’s dedication and desire to win for this team. I think that he is genuinely excited to be a member of the Broncos, and after the Cutler/Marshall experience, this is a refreshing change. I am now excited to see how Tebow will perform. I am prepared to see him struggle, but by the same token, given the effort I expect out of him, I believe he has the ability to surprise us all and dominate. So, to sum up, GO BRONCOS and GO TEBOW!!!
by the_prodigal_fan on Apr 23, 2010 9:15 PM MDT reply actions
you took the words right out of my mouth
I Gotta love this kid at least as much as i hated the pick…
And yeah, he really wants to be here! What a nice change eh?
This kid is not about the business, he REALLY wants to play and he loves the Orange & Blue
Now if he can play NFL football? Perfect.
Props to McX for their big balls and all the Tebow predictors who many of us did everything but name as idiots…
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