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Can Tim Tebow start in 2010? Perhaps, says Peter King

No matter what you think of the Tim Tebow pick, the popular majority opinion has been that Tebow wouldn't be ready to start at quarterback in 2010.  As it stands, Josh McDaniels has asserted time and time again the Kyle Orton is his quarterback...for now.  There is little doubt that Tebow was drafted, 25th Overall, to be the starting quarterback in Denver sooner rather than later.

Peter King gives some insight on this in today's Tuesday Morning QB piece.  King has said all along that he felt that Tebow should 'red-shirt' a year, but a couple of things have changed his mind - 

First, Denver trading the 40th, 70th and 114th picks in a power draft to pick Tebow is a powerful statement. Check out the draft trade chart that every team uses and you'll see how much Denver wanted to make sure it wasn't leapfrogged in the Tebow derby. The 25th pick is worth 720 points on the chart every team in the league uses -- some more religiously than others. The 43rd pick is worth 470, the 70th worth 240, and the 114th worth 66. That totals 776. The Broncos paid 56 more points than were necessary by the chart -- equivalent to the 199th overall pick, a late fourth-rounder -- to get Tebow. Denver, obviously, wanted to make the deal badly enough to ratchet up the compensation.

Star-divide

It's a popular angle to take, seeing that people believe where a guy is drafted should impact his playability in the short term.  I, for one, do not.  That kind of short-term thinking has ruined more career's than it has helped create and the Broncos should play Tebow if and when he is ready to do everything the offense requires him to do.  If that is September 1st, 2010, so be it. 

It was the second part that really piqued my interest, a quote from Josh McDaniels himself, that could shed light on Tebow's ability to play right away - 

When I went to Gainesville Monday to work him out,'' McDaniels said, referring to his hush-hush trip to spend the day with Tebow, "we spent about seven hours together. We went over a lot of things. Now, understand that our offense is pretty complicated, and the terminology and the scheme is totally different from what he did at Florida. But about midway through my time there, we're going through plays, and he starts using our terminology. He's so smart about football that he was able to begin to speak my language and talk apples to apples. He'd already translated what he knew of our scheme into my words. That's something that carried a lot of weight with me.''

McDaniels also said: "The football traits he has is the stuff you die for.''

McDaniels made similar comments on the Vic and Gary Show yesterday.  He also layed out, in detail, how the Broncos handle a player visit - 2 or 3 hours of classroom, where McDaniels and others basically teach a player the Broncos playbook and terminology.  They then test the player to see what he was able to pick up in a short amount of time.  Pretty intense stuff.  The fact the Tebow, who has never played in this system or used any of the terminology was able to speak in McDaniels' language obviously impressed the coach...BIG TIME!

As for that 'throwing-motion stuff', McDaniels isn't discouraged by it at all -

"I love this game so much,'' McDaniels said. "I would die to have 53 guys here who love it as much as I do. I'm looking to find the right group of guys to accept our one singular goal -- to win. I think Tim fits in with that. There're going to be doubts about him. Great doubts -- and I understand that. Some people don't think he has the natural traits of a great quarterback. Here's what I think: Do Jim Furyk and Tiger Woods swing the club the same way, hit irons the same way? No. But they both win tournaments. There're different ways to throw, different mechanics, and you can still get the job done.''

I still think Tebow's best bet is to learn for a year, but I, for one, won't bet against him - or Josh McDaniels.

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So by that picture

It looks like TT won’t be Numero 15?

oh…yea…..GREAT ARTICLE!!

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by DenBronx on Apr 27, 2010 12:42 PM MDT reply actions  

DOH

now I feel wee-Todd-Ed

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
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by DenBronx on Apr 27, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

LMAO!

Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.

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by weazel on Apr 27, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

nice siggy

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by broncosmontana on Apr 27, 2010 9:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

I used to live in Orlando and was friends with many Gators fans. They all owned a WWTTD tshirt in blue and orange.

WWTTD?

by SinDonor on Apr 28, 2010 1:35 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

Say it as one word

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by LACK on Apr 28, 2010 7:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

FWIW

the roster at denverbroncos.com has him listed at #15 already. Demaryius Thomas is the only other draftee with a number (88) that I can see.

That bodes well to the two of them signing quickly, IMO.

by poorboywilly on Apr 27, 2010 1:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow said he wasn't going to hold out

and my guy feeling is that Thomas won’t either

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 1:22 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed, though...

I think it’s a little harder for a first round pick in the 20’s to hold out. Top 10 picks are a different story.

Though, I have to wonder what Dez Bryant will do with Eugene Parker representing him. Crabtree part 2? “He should have been the first receiver drafted. He’s a top 5 talent, so pay him like one.” Just fooling of course. Maybe.

by noleafclover on Apr 27, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yup, maybe.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 9:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow said...

he was renting an appartment with his own money so he could learn the play book. Tebow is in Denver right now!!!

by Bron#1 Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

he tried to

but it is apparently not allowed by the NFL, unfortunately

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 9:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yea

He went home, because he wasn’t allowed in the training facilities yet.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 10:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

That is what he said anyways

But I swear that looked like a blow up doll getting off the plane in Jacksonville, and rumor has it someone has bee at Dove Valley long after the janitorial staff has left, thumbing through playbooks with a flashlight, and tossing footballs out on practice field 1….

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by Jeremy Bolander on Apr 28, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

We shouldn't rush him

That is what everyone keeps saying, and I agree. What we have to allow for though is that Tebow, being the strong competitor that he is, will push himself. I don’t for a minute believe that McD would have made the moves he did to bring Tebow here if he thought it would be a multiyear project to get him ready to play. From what we know about TT we must assume that he believes that he can be the starter, not in a year or two, but this season. That does not mean that it will happen, but like John I would not want to bet against him.

by ITPro on Apr 27, 2010 12:46 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I totally agree

You don’t want to rush a player, give him time to grow, it doesn’t have to be too long, maybe a season or two, then after getting a feel and understanding of how the game is played in the NFL, let him lose. I like Tebow, let him take a few snaps a game in the red zone or on short yardage, but don’t just assume Tebow will be our savior next season.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 12:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I dont think you need to give him any more than he needs, and McD CLAERLY knows more than me, Jim Miller, Ross Tucker and lots of other experts...

He is going to be given a CHANCE to win the role this year. You can bet on that.
BUT…you can also bet on the fact that is Kyle out plays him, Kyle will be our starter.
I think Tebow beats Brady Quinn and Brandstater out….

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Not calling myself an expert by the way...just the other guys who I respect!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha no I understand

And I agree if Tebow is the best, he will start, but he’s not like Stafford or Sanchez where there is no one else on the depth chart, so they automaticily win the spot. I’m just say, for a player like him sitting couldn’t hurt, and if Orton is playing well, I don’t see a downside.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 3:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

+1

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

No, more like Aaron Rodgers or Phyllis

Who each waited 3 and 2 years, respectively, and are quite solid now. However, with KO on his last contract year, TT could get in sooner if he flourishes. Feel bad for KO, but McD did say he wants 53 players — that would inlude at least one other QB!

by MakeCents on Apr 27, 2010 6:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats what I want

I was saying, I don’t think he should just start like those guys.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 7:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree, Demon, as long as you meant let him "loose", not lose :)

Old school for this one; don’t rush it. One wonders if even Jmarcus the Hut could have had a better chance if given 1-2 year or to develop. It just doesn’t seem to happen that way anymore, though.

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

I really don't think

It could have made him any worse.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 7:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Totally agree.

I believe Tebow will need a year to take it all in but after that…..he’s on!

However, I would not want to bet against the man to start this year, either. Crazier things have happened. Or maybe he starts if Orton goes down in week 9 or something and lights it up? Maybe it doesn’t take a full year but just a few games to get comfortable? It’s hard to gauge how someone with these type of off the chart intangibles will do. Could go either way.

One thing is for DARN certain…..Tebow will be at minimum the 2nd string QB. It’s a GIVEN that he beats out Quinn and Brandstater. Take it to the bank.

by Gristle McThornbody on Apr 27, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you, but

A few weeks ago people were saying Quinn was going to beat out Orton, and now he’s #3 behind Orton and Tebow, sad how fast people change their opinion.

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by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha

I like bikes

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by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 4:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

There was NO way that Quinn was EVER going to be beat out Orton...would have wagered my left nut on that!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Wow big bet

But I agree, but I sure didn’t stop a lot of people here from thinking so. Ranging 15-35% of people thought Quinn would start here, either this year or the next.
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/14/1372828/brady-quinn-vs-kyle-orton
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/15/1373496/quinn-will-start
http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/3/23/1387322/who-should-start-at-qb-quinn-orton

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by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I seriously doubt it and I must be the other 85-65%...

I believe he or Orton will be trading fodder next year. We won’t keep 3 potential starters and some jabone team will mortage the farm for one of these guys…I love the possibilities it brings to Denver.

by bfree2bronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton won't be up for trade

Unless he’s signed to a contract that lasts more then one year. I think Tebow will start, either in 2011 or 2012, but I don’t think he’s ready just yet.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 10:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hahaha, man up boys!

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

No wonder you like the Tebow ...talk about high risk bets!!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 4:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was not one of those people.

Quinn’s nothing more than a backup and an experiment.

by Gristle McThornbody on Apr 27, 2010 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Um, I don't like Quinn

But McD liked what he saw, that’s why he brought him in.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 7:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep, a few months before the draft

, worked with him, and then he went ahead and drafted a QB. I’m guessing that Quinn won’t make the roster so we can get the conditional pick we owe in 2011 to it’s lowest.

by The Vance on Apr 28, 2010 8:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

So...

If KO gets another ankle injury AFTER week 8, what odds are you guys putting on Tebow vs Quinn as the man to step in. (Not counting Wild Horses or short yardage packages).

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

90% sure McD will play Tebow before Quinn!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Quinn will be cut after camp...or traded for a 6th or something...whatever really....he still has a chance, just not with the Broncos!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I wonder if there is still a market for him anymore...

maybe the NE/ND/KC Chiefs will want him because he “ran a pro-style offense in college”, which is, you know, very important (to unsuccessful football organizations and sportswriters).

by The Vance on Apr 28, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

It would be hard to get anything

For him considering we traded for him this same off-season.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 28, 2010 10:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

I couldn't say

Till after camp.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 7:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I would love to see Brandy emerge as #2 for the season! Quinn could go away and THIS would validate the genius of McD after one season and one more camp...

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

as well as improving our future options... We could have a Ménage à QB controversy next spring!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

Tebow may want to start but he is a long way from it.

Biggest problem will be to be able to recognize defenses. He never had to do this in college because it was ‘run this play’. I think he needs time to learn in the NFL and the Wonderlic of 22 shows the absence of a quick thinker.

by DLMyers on Apr 27, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats a lot of conjecture man...

I dont think that necessarily means anything…seems going by the interview with McDaniels that Tebow gets the system….and via an interview with Tebow on Fan (its in Fanshots) he did quite a lot of recognizing looks at line of scrimmage and had alternate calls…so I am not getting these statements at all.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 6:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Quinn was brought in

specifically as a backup to Orton, because Simms couldn’t fill the role of someone who could “hold the fort” if the starter went down. I don’t see that role changing this year. My guess is that Brandstater is the odd man out, in the final cuts. He is the cheapest solution here, unless Favre retires and we can ship Quinn to Minnesota for a draft pick.

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by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think its pretty accurate

It’s incredibly tough on Qb’s who have played in an NFL style offense in college to learn the offense’s, even tougher for spread Qb’s. I’m not saying it’s impossible, just saying that even the top notch, no doubt Qb prospects take a while to really grasp the offense, and Tebow is not of that variety.

by tricks318 on Apr 27, 2010 11:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I agree...

The Wonderlic is only part of the picture. It is a psuedo-scientific test that tells us basically nothing…not a correlation to success, not a meaningful prognosticator of future success…all it does is give football people a number for “intelligence” that can fit on a scouting report.
Eli Manning’s wonderlic score: 39,
Peyton’s was 28.
Ryan Leaf’’s was 27,
Brett Farve 22.
…and of course Brian Griese’s was 39
…and Dan Marino’s was 16.

Rick Reilly’ s was 29…here’s the article:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/inside_game/magazine/life_of_reilly/news/2001/04/17/life_of_reilly/

by The Vance on Apr 28, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

And I guess I wouldn't be doing my job as Broncos fan

if I didn’t include Johnny-boy. According to this article, he had a 30.

by The Vance on Apr 28, 2010 9:03 AM MDT up reply actions  

That TCU back who scored only 13

turned out to be pretty good, didn’t he. And didn’t Clady score something like 14? Basically nothing is exactly right.

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by spock on Apr 28, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

Interesting article

It’s quite clear that McD was blown away by his ability to pick up a system that is not even close to his. I for one am behind whatever our team does that gives us the best chance to win. If Tim Tebow is ready, then by all means lets get him out there and in the mix. I for one favor a QB that can at least make one defender miss by using his feet. There were a few times last year that I wish we could have just kept the play alive a bit longer. We were expected to go 4-12 last year because Cutler was gone. We went 8-8. I’m not saying that’s great, but we did a lot better than people expected. Training camp will be very interesting this year.

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by Brandon Gilchrist on Apr 27, 2010 12:49 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

I can't wait for Training Camp

will hopefully be making a couple trips over to Dove Valley this summer

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1

"It's the first time that I've probably ever seen a 260 pound back run into a free safety and go flat on his back, I mean it was exciting." ~John Elway

by jibbons on Apr 27, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

As much as i want to see this guy in action

I hope he gets the time he needs, and I am sure Josh will give him that.

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by plainview88 on Apr 27, 2010 12:50 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't rush the man

Cause that is what can ruin a players development is by hurrying him into play before he his ready.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 1:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Just one little item we all seem to be forgetting . . .

Kyle Orton is not going to sit meekly and watch all this happen. He has already said, in effect, “Well, we’ll see about that.” Kyle said that 2010 is going to be the best year of his career. I just hope that whoever plays is because of their play and not because of the pressure and economics involving a #1 draft choice. Orton was dumped once before for a 1st rounder, which robbed him of two years out of his career. And now the other guy is barely an afterthought in the league, while Orton is a starter.

To be honest, I’m not sure I like everything that is happening in Dove Valley right now. As a once staunch supporter of this front office, I now have some serious questions. And they begin with their decisions surrounding the QB position . . .

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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Apr 27, 2010 1:01 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

what decision surrounding the QB position are you worried with?

Here’s my question…was there a franchise QB on the roster before the draft?
Considering that a franchise QB is the most important position on the roster, if McD didn’t think we had one on our roster, then he should go out and get one, which he did.
Orton could very well have a great season, and if he does then we may or may not resign him. Nothing wrong with keeping Tebow behind Orton for a couple of years, it worked wonders for Aaron Rodgers to sit for a long time.

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 1:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought I explained it pretty clearly . . .

I’m worried about their making the wrong decision because of the economics and pressure involving the investment in a #1 draft choice. I want the one in there who produces the superior play. That has not always happened, as I also very clearly noted.

Hope that clears it up for you . . .

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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Apr 27, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW, regarding what McDaniels thinks . . .

Yes, if McDaniels did not expect Tebow to become a franchise quarterback, he would not have picked him.

So tell me: What did those who drafted Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Steve Spurrier, Rex Grossman, etc., etc. expect of them? They were knowledgeable football people, too.

I’m not predicting “bust” for Tebow. I don’t know how he is going to do, and I don’t believe anyone else does, for sure. If I had to guess, I would say he probably will be neither star nor bust, but just a competent quarterback. But that is just a guess.

Tebow might be a franchise QB. Kyle Orton might be, too . . . yes, Kyle Orton. When has he had a fair chance? When has he played under “normal” circumstances, free of injury, with a decent O-line and running game, with a truly decent defense, in a familiar system, with a familiar team, all at once?

There is a lot more to judge in the coming year or two than just whether Tebow manages to throw a ball without winding up like Nolan Ryan and his fastball. We don’t even know how good Orton can be yet. Nor Quinn. Nor Tebow. The Broncos, frankly, cannot be sure just what they have.

So all I ask is a fair evaluation. Is that so unreasonable?

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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Apr 27, 2010 1:20 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

of course not

the fact is though, the FO has been evaluating the situation for hours and hours longer than you and I have, and the best we can do as fans is trust their evaluations

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 1:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Isn't that what

Josh has done so far? Orton was obviously better than Simms. We haven’t really seen Tom B yet, but I’m assuming that Orton was consistenly better than Brandstater.

Josh is also saying Orton is the starter. But I’m sure if Quinn or Tebow start playing better in practice, that you may see a change. I’ve not seen anything to contradict that Josh will play the best player, have you?

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on Apr 27, 2010 1:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

My point is, as I mentioned,

the economics and pressure of the investment in the #1 draft choice. If Orton happens to play lights out and becomes as good as he thinks he can, how is that going to shape decisions in the FO? If Tebow proves to be the better player, then there is no problem, of course. If it is the other way around, however, then it becomes a problem . . . a big one. After all the publicity and to-do surrounding the Tebow pick, it would be awfully tough to admit a first round mistake (possibly for the second year in a row: see Alphonso Smith).

I want to see the best player out there, not the most publicized. That’s all I’m saying.

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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!

by AZDynamics on Apr 27, 2010 1:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Understood

Luckily, the contracts given to late first rounders are no where near what is given to early first rounders. I expect Tebow’s contract to be reasonable and he should have no problem hanging out until he’s ready.

Quinn also has an incentive laden contract this year. I can’t remember the numbers, but if he rides pine, he makes like $900K. If he starts the majority of the games he makes 6 million or so. All the more reason Orton will likely start this season.

Now, that said, if we’re 3-7 by week 10, and Orton is getting boo’d every time he hits the field? All bets are off…

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Either way

Tebow is still likely to make more then Orton will this next season. In 09 for the 25 pick it was a 5 years, $13.3 million ($7.35M guaranteed) contract, 2008 it was 5 years, $9.7 million ($7M guaranteed).

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 2:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

you can add 12-18% to that for this year

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by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Replacing Marshall with

… Demaryius Thomas (and Decker) — as well as replacing Cutler — has saved the Broncos quite a bit of salary outlay. And that, in turn, allows them to take on a potential “project” like Tebow in the latter portion of the first round.

In other words, I don’t think there’s economic pressure, precisely because of how the roster has been handled.

by JeffG on Apr 28, 2010 10:07 AM MDT up reply actions  

He was only drafted at #25...not number 1....its actually not a HUGE risk to be honest with lots of upside......

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by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 3:47 PM MDT up reply actions  

I can't figure out how trading picks...

…you didn’t have a couple hours earlier constitutes ‘the future’. I wonder if people would be as dusted up if Denver ‘reached’ for Thomas at #11(because Xanders makes it clear that he was the target), then Tebow fell to #43, and Denver didn’t have the pick for Decker so he’d be in, say, Green Bay.

I wonder if that would have been more prudent and savvy?

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 27, 2010 3:54 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

i consider it pretty close to huge, especially if it means Orton's progress is 'altered' or his growth in confidence ...hindered

I was really looking forward to a play-off run with Orton this year but I’ve never thought that KO was the answer… If Tebow is our guy …WTH! If coach sez he wants him in now? He must be excited about him… That would make me excited… like when Cutler was put in after we learned that Plummer was never going to be the guy….

It’s starting to piss me off though, I come on here and lay out the correct way to build this team and it’s almost like McX isn’t listening to me!! Don’t they know who i am?

I guess we’re in watch and wait mode …can’t wait!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 3:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Still not tracking

By your arguement, you never would draft a QB in the 1st round in case he fails? Doesnt make sense to me. And he wasn’t our #1 pick, Bay-Bay was.

by gahoagie on Apr 27, 2010 6:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

The Cream Will Always Rise to The Top

May the best player win.

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by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think its safe to say McD will only play Tebow when hes ready

Last year with the Alphonso pick and playing that practice squad guy over Alphonso at the end of the year kind of indicates McD will play the best and only the best players who are the most ready.

Cant wait for training camp….it should be interesting.

Never give in, never give in

by alacumba!! on Apr 27, 2010 1:01 PM MDT reply actions  

Disagree

I think, the writing is on the wall. I hope that Brady Quinn hasn’t put down a down payment on a house and Kyle Orton isn’t expecting a multi-year contract. I think both may be gone by this time next year.

by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 1:19 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

hey BB

know anyone going to the game in Oct? I’m looking for make the 1.5 hour drive up.

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- Thomas Alva Edison

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by DenBronx on Apr 27, 2010 1:32 PM MDT up reply actions  

Catch Me in a Month

I already have my ticket for October (just below the visiting team owner- Bowlen’s box).

I have solicited interest from others and expect to be putting together a section of people for the game. Keep in touch!

by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 2:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I'll be...

…there this year.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 27, 2010 7:19 PM MDT up reply actions  

Represent!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

i'm in DC

And might also be interested… Though since I bought club seats for the ‘skins game last year, we’ll see what my wife says ;-)

by cjfarls on Apr 28, 2010 12:29 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

what a dissapointment last skins game was....I was there too and boy

That was just a heartbreak!

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by DenBronx on May 3, 2010 9:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

ok well shoot me an email when you know more

I WILL be there, barring any unfortunate events.

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- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
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by DenBronx on May 3, 2010 9:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

I agree with you Baltimore

Josh didn’t draft Tebow to be a project. One of the draft guys said 68% of the Broncos passing offense last year was from the shotgun. I don’t believe Josh has installed his true offense yet because of the players he’d been dealt. With Tebow he can put in the offense he wants to run; not the one he had to run.

by John in Castle Rock on Apr 27, 2010 2:30 PM MDT up reply actions  

What's the deal with Brandstater?

Does anyone have any info on his progress? I was very impressed by him during preseason last year. He has good size and mobility, and seemed to be picking up the offense. He looked like he had pretty good arm strength, too. Where does he fit into this picture?

by neiby on Apr 27, 2010 1:23 PM MDT reply actions  

Good question

There are several things that could happen:
1. Keep 4 QBs…its been done before
2. If he’s not progressing well, he’ll be cut (I don’t think he’s eligible for the practice squad, could be wrong on this).
3. He could realistically beat out Quinn for the backup position.

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 1:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brandstater is eligible for the PS

However, when you put a player out there any team can sign them to contract. I can’t imagine we have a lot of money tied up on him, which, could make expendable and the end of camp.

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by bchiper on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

i thought any team that took him off our ps would have to sign him to their active roster

that’s a high hurdle for a developmental QB project. i think he’d be safe on the ps.

by ssc on Apr 27, 2010 4:44 PM MDT up reply actions  

that maybe totally correct

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Apr 27, 2010 7:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ooh.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 9:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here is another Tebow supporter

Wes Bunting of the National Football Post had this to say about Denver drafting Tebow in the first round:

“As for Tebow, this is a case where he’s the kind of guy McDaniels can grind on day in and day out in practice, and it seems like a perfect fit from a personality standpoint. Tebow has the ability to make all the throws needed, plus the athleticism and escapability to create when things break down.”

He went on to say that he loved both of Denver’s first round selections.

by ITPro on Apr 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT reply actions  

Grade: B+

Denver Broncos

A strong, good-looking group of prospects from top to bottom make the Broncos one of the real weekend winners. They got a nice crop of technically sound offensive linemen and some real value in the middle of the draft. This class, however, will ultimately depend on the success or failure of QB Tim Tebow.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:35 AM MDT up reply actions  

The Denver Broncos

There are definitely some unknowns to both QB Tim Tebow and WR Demaryius Thomas at this stage, but I think Josh McDaniels’ offense can be tailored perfectly to allow both to play to their strengths more than any other NFL offense. Thomas is as physically gifted as any wideout in the class, and because McDaniels’ offense relies so much on working his receivers from bunch sets, allowing them to create underneath on crossing patterns, Thomas doesn’t need to be a great route runner to make plays. As for Tebow, this is a case where he’s the kind of guy McDaniels can grind on day in and day out in practice, and it seems like a perfect fit from a personality standpoint. Tebow has the ability to make all the throws needed, plus the athleticism and escapability to create when things break down. Overall, both guys are gifted physically, but both have some rough spots to their games. However, I don’t think there’s an NFL offense that would allow either to play to their strengths more so than Denver. That’s why I love these picks.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

Nice to read an analyst that actually has done some research or has some knowledge of a teams systems and strengths and weaknesses talking about how things fit, as opposed to just having knowledge on individual players.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

As a former Denver resident,

I think Tebow may be in the right situation to succeed. I also know how fickle many Broncos fans are when it comes to QBs. Every QB since Elway who plays in Denver is immediately cast into Elway’s shadow, the most successful of which was Jake Plummer, who was often scrutinized towards the end of his career.

My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. FIRE DUSTY! NOW!
2. Cavaliers Championship
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd lso like to add

It was not easy being a Bengals fan in Bronco Country.

My 2010 Sports wishlist.
1. FIRE DUSTY! NOW!
2. Cavaliers Championship
3. Bengals win Super Bowl XLV

by Danimal, Destroyer of Worlds on Apr 27, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its not easy being a Bronco fan

in Denver Post territory ;-)

I would hope you would support who we are. Not, who we are not. Coach Norman Dale "Hoosiers"

by dmitchell624 on Apr 27, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHAHA.....yep, half the time its like living in enemy terroitory.....especially at places like ESPN and DP boards...swear you are in Oakland, but talking about the Broncos!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 5:24 PM MDT up reply actions  

ME TOO!!!!

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by Troy Hufford on Apr 27, 2010 5:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

i lived in KC for a few years... rival town. Now I'm in Shitbird land... But I find it easy to be a Bronco fan EVERYWHERE!!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Bowlen wants a QB like Elway too

I like Orton, hes competent, efficient, a good teammate, leads by example, careful with the ball, and fairly accurate too, but he’s a little boring to watch. Exciting QB’s, and offenses in general, are good business for NFL teams. I bet they sell more Tebow jerseys this year than they sell Orton jerseys in two years combined. Bowlen was actually quoted before the draft saying he wanted a new QB.

by BigskyBronco on Apr 27, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Anyway you can find that quote?

Never, Never, Never Quit - Winston Churchill

by Brandon Gilchrist on Apr 27, 2010 1:45 PM MDT up reply actions  

From a Mike Klis article in the DP on 2/7/10
Bowlen said he would like star receiver Brandon Marshall to remain with the Broncos, but wouldn’t block a trade if rookie coach Josh McDaniels feels it would benefit the team. Bowlen revealed the plan is for Kyle Orton to remain the Broncos’ quarterback, but the team hopes to select another quarterback in the upcoming draft.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Apr 27, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

Could just as well as been referring to Simms.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions  

Here is an exerpt from a article from the Denver Post Dated 2/7/2010

I want Kyle back," Bowlen said. “Orton is a good quarterback. I’d also like to think we might have the opportunity to draft a young quarterback, not necessarily to come in and play right away, but if you have the opportunity to draft somebody, that would be a plus for us.”

by MELMAN on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Denver Post

“I want Kyle back,” Bowlen said. “Orton is a good quarterback. I’d also like to think we might have the opportunity to draft a young quarterback, not necessarily to come in and play right away, but if you have the opportunity to draft somebody, that would be a plus for us.”

by BigskyBronco on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTW

Tebow is currently the best selling Jersey in the entire NFL…for draft picks it’s not even close

The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...

by Welcome2Boise on Apr 27, 2010 2:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

HAHA

Plummer was scrutinezed early on in his career as well!!

But I do agree, Denver loves to hate any QB that does not bring them the same feeling that Elway did. Many people hoped that the Cutler drama would end the comparisons but alas….it only skipped the Orton generation and assuredly will re-start with Tebow.

Oh Elways, how far from your graces have the mighty fallen.

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- Thomas Alva Edison

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- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Apr 27, 2010 1:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have completely flipped in my opinion of Tebow

Before the draft I didn’t want him, was stunned when we picked him up and angry. But after seeing his interviews and looking in to him a little more, I am truly stoked. I’m even thinking of buying a Tebow jersey. I have not wanted to purchase a Broncos jersey since Elway, so that might give an indication of how much I like this guy.

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by Jason Witte on Apr 27, 2010 1:28 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Can't believe it, but...

I find myself in the same camp, Jason. This guy’s the real deal, IMO. He’s got what it takes inside to make the changes he needs to on the outside.

Step aside, my friend, I been doin' it for years.
Said sit on down, open ya eyes, say open up ya ears....

by pubkeeper on Apr 27, 2010 1:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

I have to wait until next paycheck

But I cant wait to get my Tebow Jersey, he will bring a new joy for the number 15!

by MELMAN on Apr 27, 2010 1:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

we're all going there ...like lemmings! (tries to type the sound lemmings make to no avail)

Lord help us…

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

with you after watching clips

he’s the anti-orton: strong, athletic, fiery, confident, team-on-my-back kind of guy. i see in the future an elway-esque super bowl helicopter-type run (but with more bulldozing of defenders) followed by a bloody, primal scream.

i’m on board with the tebow jersey. been a defense jersey guy (atwater, bailey) and took a bad turn with the cutler jersey, so will have to re-up on the QB jersey with tebow.

by ssc on Apr 27, 2010 4:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

i still sport the Cutler one hahaha

inspires barstool conversation of all types!!!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:57 PM MDT up reply actions  

for fun with the numbers...
The Broncos paid 56 more points than were necessary by the chart — equivalent to the 199th overall pick

Who was a famous QB picked at 199 overall?

I like Tebow and hope they don’t rush him. I don’t think he’s worthy of a top 10 as you’d expect more immediate impact out of those QBs, but I do hope he can learn and progress like GB did with Aaron Rodgers. If he can start without having to get over the hump of the game speed, while getting his technique straight, while learning the playbook, he’s got a good chance of being great. He’s got a lot of surrounding talent around him over the next 2-4 years at least.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 1:35 PM MDT reply actions  

another part of this...

I find it hard to believe that the Broncos couldn’t have traded up with someone else without offering so much. Maybe that’s what it took to get the Ravens pick (although by the sound of it they were blown away by the offer), but somebody probably would have taken a 2nd, 3rd and a 6th, wouldn’t they?

by DenverBears on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point, not sure what Buffalo was offering up, but they were in the Tebow derby

and was the main reason Denver moved back into the first to get him.

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Apr 27, 2010 1:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Baltimore

might have been one of the few teams really short of picks and willing to trade. They had something like a 1st, 2nd, 5th and 6th.

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on Apr 27, 2010 1:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

ahh the value given is relative though

It’s not always an exercise in measuring slot values. Nobody WANTS to give up their first round selection. It takes a good offer AND a deep enough draft that they’ll be able to find talent for the team trading back (BAL). I thought it was win/win.

Who’s the somebody to take the 2nd/3rd/6th? What’s the big difference between the 4th and 6th round variable there? You want your guy, you go get your guy. They made the ammunition to get him by the trades they made down and then they used it for a planned purpose.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

Finding SOMEBODY willing to make the trade is not enough

That “somebody” also has to have the pick desired. If Denver thought Tebow might be gone within a handful of selections, then obviously only a handful of teams would possess the required slot.

by warmick on Apr 27, 2010 3:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great piece of trivia BIE.
Who was a famous QB picked at 199 overall?

Wonder how many people will actually catch it?

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Apr 27, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions  

thanks

it sticks because I hear it so often as everybody thinks a sixth round QB will become a HOF player. It’s rare…that’s what makes it special.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 2:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

It figures

Lol

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 3:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

A hint:

Matt Bowen went one pick ahead of him. :p

Marc Bulger was the 2nd pick of the 6th, though, so not a bad round.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

someone who worked with our current coach??? LOL

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:44 AM MDT up reply actions  

i don't get it; how is it relevant whether a great QB was selected at 199?

the 56 points was the excess over fair value, not the value of the picks. the excess value was not what was used to make the QB pick.

by ssc on Apr 27, 2010 4:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

it's not relevent, it's a fun piece of trivia...

thought it could also be funny to say, “we gave up equivalent to the 199th pick?!?! Do you know you can draft a HOF QB with the 199th pick?!?!”

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 5:14 PM MDT up reply actions  

kindof a good problem to have...it happens though

Montana had some “injuries” that allowed Young to get some starts in. I used quotes because without Walsh telling Montana he wasn’t starting, I don’t think you could of kept Joe off the field. Could even be related to GB’s problem they had… do you let a QB that could get you to the playoffs keep the reigns or take your shot at the playoffs with the future QB of the franchise.

If Orton does as well as we expect and makes it a tough decision, he will land in a good spot somewhere else should he be passed over.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

ssc, he is talking about

Tom Brady.

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 7:50 PM MDT up reply actions  

What really helped;

The Jaguars used their #10th pick because they couldn’t complete a trade down is the reason Broncos made their moves to draft the two players they wanted in the first round. Call it genius that McD and X got it done. Had the Jags traded down the Broncos would have known exactly what they had to do. Said another way “it was meant to be” Tebow wearing Orange & Blue"

oc60

"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."

by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:25 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think the Jags couldn't trade down because nobody wanted to negotiate off of Crabtree's contract.

There’s a reason why nobody was willing to trade up until after the Jags selection; its going to be hard to negotiate that contract because it is complicated. I think we probably actually got really lucky to lose that coin toss at the combine.

by black_knight101 on Apr 27, 2010 8:54 PM MDT up reply actions  

Agree - excellent point

Glad we lost that coin flip…like I said it was meant to be.

oc60

"We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."

by oc60 on Apr 28, 2010 1:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

OK, it's been several hours now with no apparent answer...

So, that #199 would be TB; and I don’t mean Tom Brandstater.

by MakeCents on Apr 27, 2010 6:49 PM MDT up reply actions  

I knew that!

I just wanted to give somebody else a chance….. right? :)

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 7:10 PM MDT up reply actions  

I thought everyone knew it

so we didn’t have to say it.

Owning the Patriots since September 9, 1960

by Darin H on Apr 27, 2010 7:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Probably right --

I’m an engineer, so just call me mr. obvious.

by MakeCents on Apr 27, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hey mr. obvious

I just wrote down the answer up above, before reading down. =)

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on Apr 27, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

too easy...

There is a theory which states that if ever anybody discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory which states that this has already happened. -D.A.

by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:58 PM MDT up reply actions  

Lets not jump the gun

But, if we induct him into the “Ring of Fame” before training camp, then we can really capitalize on his jersey sales. Then we can find out if he knows how to put on a jock.

All kidding aside, lets just see what happens in the near future. He’s a talented kid, he’s 4th string as we speak, and may the best QB win.

by RichardC on Apr 27, 2010 1:41 PM MDT reply actions  

+1

Never, Never, Never Quit - Winston Churchill

by Brandon Gilchrist on Apr 27, 2010 1:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think Tebow has the talent to succeed in the NFL,

but, not this year. I believe we’ll see him on the sidelines with a clipboard in his hand most the season. Niether Orton or Quinn are going to lay down for him and make it easy. I’m really excited to see how the Tebow effect raises the level of play at the QB position during camp and throughout the season.

"A great pleasure in life is doing what people say you cannot do" Walter Gagenot
"Hope sees the invisible, feels the intangible and achieves the impossible."

by bchiper on Apr 27, 2010 1:50 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Agreed

With his work ethic, and Orton/Quinn are no slouches, I can’t wait to see the fire lit under these guys. As far as Tebow being able to start this year? I’m waiting on preseason for that, very impatiently.

The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...

by Welcome2Boise on Apr 27, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

Peter King

I don’t always like what he believes, but I have a little more respct for him as a journalist than, say, this guy from FoxSports news in the first 2010 season rankings:

“20. Broncos (8-8) — POST-DRAFT DIAGNOSIS: Wow, Tim Freaking Tebow. That must have been some 15 minutes of an NFL Combine meeting. That’s all it took for Josh McDaniels to be willing to share his Krabby Patty recipe with Tebow, reworked delivery and all. But don’t forget the coach’s move a few picks earlier in the first round, picking WR Demaryius Thomas instead of Dez Bryant. McDaniels says the pick was purely football-related. RIIIIIIIIIIGHT. This draft will make or break McDaniels in Denver. It should be fascinating to watch. "

Notice his “15 minutes of an NFL Combine” comment. He has NO IDEA what else had transpired between him and McD (even though McD had made mention of the visit in a post draft interview), and…the kicker, he had NO DESIRE to actually go explore more fully before writing that.

At least King goes around and talks with NFL people, the people involved and such. I noticed in his Monday Morning Quarterback, he just mentioned he would give Denver more time in the Tuesday version, instead of some snide, off-handed jab remark.

So King has earned a littl emore respocet from me today.

by Mhantra on Apr 27, 2010 2:05 PM MDT reply actions  

"Emore respocet"

Sounds like a recipe for some French cuisine. May I have it? Does it go better with red or white wine?

WWTTD?

by SinDonor on Apr 27, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nope

It’s emo respect. You know, you grudgingly give it and cut yourself afterwords.

The sky is blue and all the leaves are green...

by Welcome2Boise on Apr 27, 2010 3:04 PM MDT up reply actions  

He really needs to sit his first year.

The Tebow we would get after a training camp, 16+ games, and another training camp would be the closest to the Tebow we all want to see on th field. Even if the game is slower to him, he can speak all the lingo…..there is just so much to take in your first year……He and We would all be better off with alittle patience. If he’s throwing 500 balls aday, the last thing we’re gunna worry about in a year from now is his mechanics…even in game situation. If he goes in this year, its one of the first thing we all worry about.

by bronco112 on Apr 27, 2010 2:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Let his play...

Determine when he’s ready. I doubt McD will rush him if anything Tebow will force McD to ponder some tough decision to make. Aka John Elway wasn’t the starter his rookie year until as I recall the 3rd regular season game. Anyone remember ?

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by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

And Elway took over for a good QB!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 8:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Why the bold?

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 10:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

Correct me if I'm wrong (I know you all will)

But the only reasons that a qb typically gets thrown out there his rookie year are:
1 – They have no one else worth a damn – ex: Detriot 2009 with a washed up Culpepper. Not even close to the case with us. There will be no need to throw him in there. No need.
2 – Ticket sales/Fans – Team has stunk for a while and the natives are restless. Need to throw dude in now so they can sample the (yet unfinished) product. We haven’t exactly stunk, maybe spelled a little ripe, but definitely not stunk like some others.
3 – Paying big dollars – So let’s get our investment out of the kid. As mentioned above, not the case with the 25th pick. Not even close to a top 5 or even top 10 pick’s guaranteed and overall money. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Sorry, I didn’t mean to shout.

Also mentioned above was the Phonz trade and draft pick. McDaniel’s played an UDFA ahead of him. And that was a much bigger trade than this one in my opinion. MUCH BIGGER. That trade semi-involved the Cutler fiasco and us trading a #1 pick in this year’s draft. He was much maligned for that move and needed it to work. What did he do? Bench him.

One thing we all love about McDaniel’s – He doesn’t care what anybody thinks. He just wants to win football games. He won’t let his Teboner (boner for Tebow) get in the way of the right decision. While I didn’t like the thought of drafting him a couple weeks ago I have to admit that now, even I am walking around the office like Ron Burgundy…… Don’t tell me you’re not impressed!

by OC Bronco Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:39 PM MDT reply actions  

I Agree, OC.

The Phonz benching really does seem to show that McD will not cave into playing someone to “justify” a pick. Good point.

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:48 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess...

Moreno doesn’t count. We just didn’t have any other RB’s.

by DailyDose on Apr 27, 2010 6:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

900+yards as a rookie behind what we all consider a crap line

isnt something to sniff at!

how many guys can get 1000 yards in a season? there’s a reason that # is still special!

Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!

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by Jon Tollerud on Apr 28, 2010 12:43 AM MDT up reply actions  

That Phonz is still on the team and is been given some more time to develop into his potential is another relevant point here.

McDaniels if nothing else has stones, and has been given backing by the owner to do what he thinks is right. Thats a cool situation to be in if you have some skill at the job.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I see Tebow...

being used the similar to how he was used in Floria his freshman year. 5-10 times/ game mainly to run but he will pull back and throw some also.

by Bron#1 Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:41 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed

He might be great near the goal line for example. But not as a starter.

by OC Bronco Fan on Apr 27, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think he will sit the entire year . We are just asking for uneccessary drama to do anything else .

I think people really forget that there is very little you can do with limited practice reps.

Orton is the starter and that in itself will have the other 3 fighting over scraps .Last year after Orton was named starter he took the majority of the snaps so anyone who went to camp should take the snaps you saw Simms get and then divide that into the other 3 Qbs .

This is a big year for Orton so hes gonna want ALL the work he can get .The entire team is gonna be watching to see if the coach will try and screw with Orton in camp .

I think that by training camp that Josh begins to kill all of the Tebow talk .

Considering that Josh doesnt do special packages I just dont see how Tebow gets in for "goal line package ’

Not for Knowshon

Not for Scheffler

not for Hillis

not for Eddie

not for marshall

not to mention that you are gonna have a hard time selling your starting QB on the thought that he should come out of the game when he gets into the redzone to run a trick play for a rookie .

suggesting it will be met with a What ? ……… but OMG imagine if you put Tebow and it doesnt work .

This is the NFL this is not college football after all the talk Josh did about team first and not running packages for anyone and being all about winning if he comes out doing some of the things that fans are suggesting he will be going against an awful lot of what he said the past year .

I think he sits tebow lets him watch and learn and then looks towards him stepping in next year.

by Hoopforia on Apr 27, 2010 2:52 PM MDT reply actions  

Let's see....

No doubt Orton is our starter but, best return on investment for #2 backup QB will be Tebow vs Quinn & Brandstater in that order. Tebow will get more than his fair share of reps under center as will Quinn. Tebow’s investment a #1-25 pick versus Quinn who we got for #6 pick in 2011 and #6 conditional pick in 2012 now it’s not rocket science but clearly we have to see Tebow worth before the other 2 QB’s. Like a brand new car you test drive it and break it in, you don’t park it in the garage and drive the old car.

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by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

But if Tebow can do that,and is short term designed for a few plays like that in a game plan, that won;t take away any reps for Orton, it would be like a special teams or gimmick play practice.

If the Broncos get some success with that in using Tebow is 3rd and short or goal line situations, then that might mean that opposing teams might be forced to practice or plan against it, which is always a good thing to complicate their preparation against us.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 3:55 AM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly my thoughts!

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by Broncotodd on Apr 28, 2010 4:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

I'm thinking, after listening to the various views, we're going to see one of the two extremes

Either, McDaniels sits Tebow for the year to get himself up to speed in the playbook and the differences between the NFL and college football,

or

Tebow is named starter by the beginning of training camp, and we see McDaniels open up the playbook to show the things he hinted at when he was first hired.

I’m not sure there’s going to be any middle ground which sees Tebow in games on a situational basis.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on Apr 27, 2010 2:56 PM MDT reply actions  

I can't realistically see the 2nd option happening.

In addition to learning the playbook, he also has to practise his new throwing motion in game situations enough so that he won’t revert to the old one under pressure. Reportedly, he tried to change his throwing motion while at Florida, but under gametime pressure, he reverted back. I don’t know how long that will take, but IMO he needs to prove both to McD before he takes the sttarting role. I would certainly expect to see him get significant playing time in the 2nd half of the preseason, when they start to rest Orton.

by Timimus on Apr 27, 2010 3:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think “mechanics” are being WAY over-hyped. Elway did not have perfect mechanics. Tebow wins, and with the right coaching, his motions and mechanics will be fine.

by Auz on Apr 27, 2010 10:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

A great point

But it should be noted that Elway didn’t win the big one till his last two years, which were also the years he played more conservative and smarter football.

Also to saw that Tebow wins isn’t a strong statement. If you wanted a winning QB, chose Colt McCoy, he’s winningest QB in college history, so don’t bring in that argument.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 10:21 PM MDT up reply actions  

First, Elway helped his team to the Super Bowl multiple times. Just because Elway did not win the big game until his later years does not translate to him being incapable of winning Super Bowls before his prime (it can be argued that football is a team sport that takes a certain group and combination of players to win a Super Bowl). Secondly, if one qb has better stats than another qb, that does not disqualify the qb with lower percentages from being a “winning” player. The argument that Tebow is/was a proven winner is a great platform to stand on. Numbers back up the statement that Tebow has been a winner. I would also caution people not to make the assumption that Tebow will be a “winner” just because he has won in the past. One of my favorite components is that Tebow knows that he will have to work hard, at least as hard as he has in the past, in order to potentially produce positive results.

by Auz on Apr 30, 2010 11:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

Standard response! The MSM doesn't know squat about squat

A lot of you MHR guys owe King an apology for bashing him last week when he said McD would come out of the 2010 draft with his QB of the future and that he’d use a Top 45 pick to do so.

King clearly talks with McD one on one and knows a thing or two about what is going on in Denver even though he covers all 32 teams.

In my opinion.

by McGeorge on Apr 27, 2010 3:03 PM MDT reply actions  

that's the truth

King has his good, long-standing connection with McDaniels.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 3:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

So did Sayre ...SB are you talking to McD?

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 4:05 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point ...I do.....but got to admit he is the WORST singer of all time....SORRY PK.....I thing Prisco is a peanut...and always have....and that will never change!

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by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 4:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

FOR SURE!

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by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

True McG.. we didn't give that much credence.

And it is probably better to have some sub-catagories within the MSM… King would not be at the bottom, by any means. He called that one… at last kind of called it.. he didn’t specify which QB. But, maybe he was sworn to secrecy on that point by McD… only the Shadow knows.

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:56 PM MDT up reply actions  

Peter King

generally knows his stuff. He is Isaac Newton compared to Bill Williamson for sure

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Apr 27, 2010 3:16 PM MDT reply actions  

Honestly how can you not love McDaniels? I don’t get the bashing this guy takes.. these quotes are what I’d want to hear from my head coach

by hallandnash on Apr 27, 2010 3:23 PM MDT reply actions  

This Xanders...

interview is worth checking out in context to the value Denver gave up for Tebow. If you look at it in the context of that one move, then, sure, they might have been a little reckless. But based on this, and some of McD’s comments after day one, it becomes clear that there was a specific goal of ending the day with Tebow and Thomas. They executed that plan nicely, converted 43 to 25, and came out with an extra 3rd rounder to boot (basically they got a QB and two promising WR’s for the price of one). They deserve some credit for manufacturing the opportunity to draft Tebow using resources that didn’t exist two hours earlier. They might have given up extra hypothetical value, but at least they bought the opportunity with house money.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 27, 2010 3:26 PM MDT reply actions  

Credit

I give credit for figuring out value and executing a plan. Whether the plan works, we shall see. I do hope we have a foot orthopod for the receivers and a shrink for the non-Tebow QB’s, but it should be fun for the fans!

by Baltimore Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 3:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

True on all...

…points. I hope Orton doesn’t react to Tebow the way Plummer reacted to Cutler. While Thomas’ injury doesn’t sound too bad, any time you see ‘athlete’ and ‘lysfranc injury’ in the same sentence, things could turn out poorly. There is no doubt that all three of those picks fit the boom/bust definition.

My approach is to hope boom, and not dwell on bust.

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector

by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

Decker has the Lisfranc...not Thomas...correct?

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Apr 27, 2010 4:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yep

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector

by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 27, 2010 4:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't recall Plummer reacting poorly to Cutler

He kept working, had a winning record when he was pulled and kept doing whatever he was asked to help the team after that without complaining. Yes after the season he said he didn’t want to stay as a backup but that was his right.

by admill on Apr 28, 2010 6:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

He played...

…tentatively and poorly, IMO. He played like a guy looking over his shoulder. They went from the AFC Champ game to perhaps the most anemic offense in the Shanahan era, and he got benched 9 games into the season.

Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector

by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 28, 2010 7:16 AM MDT up reply actions  

but weren't they 6-3?

I didnt agree with the QB change…

by DaLostBoy4 on Apr 28, 2010 8:13 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

I think you can look at that both ways.

To me, it speaks volumes as to how poorly he played that they’d make a change despite relative success in the W/L department. Remember, the defense was absolutely phenomenal the first half of that season, yet Denver was averaging less than 17 points a game. A lot of the offensive struggles were poor and tentative QB play.

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by PredominantlyOrange on Apr 28, 2010 8:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

7-4

And PO is right. Plummer basically choked under the pressure of having Cutler in the wings, just as many think he did in the AFC Championship game (the reason Shanahan went after a QB in the draft in the first place).

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by spock on Apr 28, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions  

I totally agree

Like firing Schottenhimer in SD after going 14-2, why pull someone who is doing fine?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 28, 2010 10:22 AM MDT up reply actions  

because

He has a sub-70 QB rating and the team is averaging less than 18 points per game.

Anyone who thought Plummer was doing fine in 2006 wasn’t watching the same games I was.

by cjfarls on Apr 28, 2010 3:24 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

And things sure got better

When we got a good offense didn’t it, oh wait, not really. Guess actually winning games doesn’t mean much when you have Cutler.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 28, 2010 3:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Its fine to debate...

whether Cutler was actually an improvement over Jake. What isn’t in doubt however was that Jake was playing awful…. as such, even if it didn’t ultimately work its hard to claim there was no basis for the decision.

I actually think Cutler was playing better than Jake at the end there… and the stats back that up. The defensive collapse after Wilson went down was the true cause of the missed playoffs, not anything Cutler did in my mind.

I suppose one could debate that saying Cutler was “less efficient”, but its hard to claim Plummer was efficient at all given his horrible play. Even if you make the (weak) claim that Plummer’s worse stats would have won us the one more game that would’ve put us in the playoffs, the way he and the defense was playing we weren’t doing anything that year… so what’s the point in whining about it 4 years later.

If it did anything, it clarified Jake’s decision to retire the following year, but its hard to believe Cutler wouldn’t have been starting in year 2 regardless. It probably also accelerated Cutler’s progress at getting to “NFL speed” so we did better the following year than we otherwise might have.

by cjfarls on Apr 29, 2010 5:30 AM MDT up reply actions  

that fact will just be ignored by those that don't want Tebow

because the only argument heard is the “we gave up too much” for him. It’s only looking at that one specific move instead of the big picture strategy. It’s also relevant to think, could we have had 2 extra roster spaces open with the 2nd and 4th rounder that would’ve been had the move not been made.

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by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 3:31 PM MDT up reply actions  

I don't think that we went with a bad strategy

Take a look at the post that Super7 posted and let me know how this deaft was a bad draft?

http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/4/23/1439146/you-usually-just-see-the-sausage

I would say that you can argue if this or that pick could be better, but as everybody saying that McD doomed the franchise for years, it’s too much.

by Broncos_BZ on Apr 27, 2010 3:41 PM MDT up reply actions  

I think it was a great strategy

I was saying those that are arguing against giving up those picks are actually just arguing against tebow. Some/most, not all of course.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 6:02 PM MDT up reply actions  

the only argument? That's not true. There are several arguments for not taking him beyond the "we gave up too much for him"!

I’m pretty bored by them (since he’s here and I’m moving on) but pretty silly to say that. I think your point was “those who don’t want him” ignore the facts, right? Those idiots. (shakes head)

Not too bad a point on the roster spaces until we bring in 19 UDFAs…

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 4:36 PM MDT up reply actions  

Great interview...

They pulled the trigger and went after it from the start. Often times the greatest reward comes from taking risks! One of the best first round picks in Bronco history. I can only remember one other that had as much excitement 1967 Floyd Little – Denver’s first #1 pick to sign with Broncos. Absolutely love what’s happening in Denver, Broncos back on track to win another Lombardi…

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All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts, we make our path."

by oc60 on Apr 27, 2010 5:53 PM MDT up reply actions  

I read that and besides makes some sense, I don't buy it

We sign Orton to a 4 years contract hoping that he will have another really good year (now that he knows the offense) and for next year we would trade him and keep Tebow, Quinn and Brandstater. What do you guys think?

by Broncos_BZ on Apr 27, 2010 3:32 PM MDT reply actions  

Tebow 2010 = red zone almost exclusively.

Tebow 2011 = berserker.

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Williamson would probably eat both – no questions asked.

by Joe Medina on Apr 27, 2010 4:02 PM MDT reply actions  

Good info.

I am happy to have Tebow here but I kept cringing at losing those three picks. Considering Denver wanted to come away with a LB, another RB among other things, you had to figure something about Tebow impressed them a LOT. You don’t make a move like that just for grins.

This puts a bit of context into it. They clearly are pretty high on this kid. We’ll see how it works out.

McDaniels G-Jacked the shizzat outta the Browns for Brady Quinn. Word!

by TheMastermind on Apr 27, 2010 4:06 PM MDT reply actions  

does anybody have the link to xanders talking about the pick? can't seem to find it.

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 4:38 PM MDT reply actions  

TY!!

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by Whidbey Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 9:01 PM MDT up reply actions  

Kyle Orton better be on his game, just all I'll say about this.

Because there isn’t going to be any more…My bad! Orton’s days in Denver are numbered one way or another and I have to wonder what McD will do if Kyle guides us to the playoffs and beyond? It get’s a little freaking weird you know when you think about it.

by bfree2bronc on Apr 27, 2010 5:31 PM MDT reply actions  

It could be quite interesting

Ideally, we could have Orton perform better than last year and get us to the playoffs – hopefully win a playoff game or two +

At the same time, Tebow develops- McD hopefully sees what he needs to see for Tebow to start in ’11

Then McX trades Orton back to Chicago for like 7 draft picks (Cutler will have thrown an NFL record 62 interceptions by game 10 before he is perma-benched)

Then McX uses the boatload of picks to draft the 3 best defensive players in the ’11 draft

Tebow leads the Broncos to at least 3 straight super bowls

Hey, stranger things have happened, right?

I too dabbled in pacifism once...

by waltersobchakbronco on Apr 27, 2010 6:15 PM MDT up reply actions  

That would be the best case

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 7:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

kind of a good problem to have though.... things happen

Montana had some “injuries” that allowed Young to get some starts in before taking over. I used quotes because without Walsh telling Montana he wasn’t starting, I don’t think you could of kept Joe off the field. Could even be related to GB’s problem they had… do you let a QB that could get you to the playoffs keep the reigns or take your shot at the playoffs with the future QB of the franchise.

If Orton does as well as we expect and makes it a tough decision, he will land in a good spot somewhere else should he be passed over. Hopefully we could turn it into a trade for picks should that happen.

I'm glad we had this talk. -- TJ Johnson

by BroncoInExile on Apr 27, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

I love it when people use that line LOL because its just silly when he couldve been sitting on the sideline nursing his DISLOCATED FINGER on his throwing hand with us being what 0-4 most likely at that type . :)

I would say the coach better be on his game because hes preached a certain message and has assembled veteran laced team . If suddenly he goes the its all about the individual then what he said the past 12 months goes right out the window.

I already know Ortons plan and I would do the same thing myself .

You play your butt off and get wins ,make the playoffs,and have some huge games and then put the onus on the coach and then say now what ?

by Hoopforia on Apr 27, 2010 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Never been a Tebow fan

I was upset at the time of the pick. Thought we had bigger needs to be filled.

But I will say this. This is a guy that has great talent and great will. He has a work ethic and drive to succeed that we wish all players had. There are things that you can teach and there are things that you can’t. You can’t teach heart. You can teach footwork and mechanics and with enough time in the film room you can even teach how to read a defense. But you gotta put the effort in. Is there any doubt in your mind that this kid will put the effort in? He may never get to a point where he’s an all world QB but he’ll never stop trying.

So after thinking about it long and hard I’m glad we got him. I’d take a guy with some talent that is willing to do what it takes to get better over any prima donna uber talented gods gift to the NFL kind of prospect. Did he fill our greatest need? No, but he does have a chance to become elite in the toughest position in professional sports and that’s worth something.

by T.Dot_Bronco on Apr 27, 2010 6:25 PM MDT reply actions  

Good read and some interesting points.

I see Tebow sitting at least a year with some appearences during the season to surprise the oppostion in a redzone/4th down type of situation. Sitting is a good thing because we have a starter allready in Orton, so there is no rush. I mean the media keep saying that a first round pick is to help NOW…..says who?

He is a very smart athlete and I am surprised about his picking up McDaniels system when he went to Gainsville. The comparison to Tebow’s throwing motion to Woods and Furyk is the best one I have heard and totally fits.

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by weazel on Apr 27, 2010 6:39 PM MDT reply actions  

Only like my second time posting here..

But I had a thought that I would like to get some insight on from some of you that post and comment regularly (I think most of you here are very intelligent and devoted this team and have more knowledge than most “analysts” of the NFL. So I Mile High Salute you for your work! haha)

But my thought was that Tebow is left handed making his blindside the right tackles responsibility not the left tackles as it is almost everywhere else in the league. I realize that both Clady and Harris are top tier Tackles, but is there anyone who thinks that we might flip flop them?

Figuring Clady is the better of the two and Harris had the injuries at ND then last years injury. Plus he seemed to be more of a force in run blocking.

Im excited about Tebow and have been on the Tebow wagon since he was at Florida but was wondering what your opinions and thoughts were on the protection for a lefty.

Thanks again for all the posts and stories!

by gwbushby on Apr 27, 2010 6:58 PM MDT reply actions  

Defenses don't usually flip their DEs though

So Clady would be going up against the same DE no matter who is QB. Same for Harris on the right side.

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by Darin H on Apr 27, 2010 7:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

Flip-flopping isn't trivial

Performance at both positions might suffer. At any rate teams can and commonly do line up a pass rushing DE or OLB wherever they think they can gain an advantage, and having two offensive linemen playing out of position would be an additional advantage. Fortunately, if Harris plays back to form, RT isn’t a weak link. Harris protects almost as well there as Clady does on the opposite side.

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by spock on Apr 28, 2010 1:11 AM MDT up reply actions  

"Sway"

I’ve just sent McD this good book written by Ori and Rom Brafman. Check the book out. It fits this drama to a tee. The irration exuberance on this post reminds me of WCG after the Cutler trade. I’m sorry folks there’s no way TT will be a better QB than KO in 2010. Orton is trending to the top 10 of NFL QBs and McD wants to do what? Start Tim Tebow? History doesn’t repeat, but it often rhymes. Didn’t Cutler replace a good QB a few years back?

by rocko1 on Apr 27, 2010 7:41 PM MDT reply actions   1 recs

Don't think TT is playing year, myself, other

than for some specific situation packages. It seems the wise course would be to develop him over time. It’s not like we don’t have a perfectly capable QB (and probably even backup) right now….no rush needed. Let’s go for a high quality product, and try to turn this gifted athlete into an elite NFL QB.

by idahobronc on Apr 27, 2010 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Ok

Orton starts, continues to improve, doesn’t have to play injured, and ends the 2010 season as a top 10 QB. That’s what he’s trending to. Then what? Orton will be an unrestricted FA and the going rate will be five years/$25mil guaranteed. Would it then be logical to say goodbye to Kyle and insert TT into the starting lineup? Looking back through the history of QBs drafted in the 1st round, what percentage develop into the top 10? 30%.

by rocko1 on Apr 27, 2010 8:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Whoever wins the job will start

Orton is a fine QB, certainly quite capable of starting. He does have his weaknesses, though. He is not the most mobile, to put it delicately, and sometimes goes down at the slightest tap. How many plays were busted last year because Orton could not avoid the rush? Orton can make the long throw, but not with the best accuracy. Look at the plays last year where the receiver was open but Orton either could not get the ball there, or checked down to the underneath option rather than attempt the longer pass.

Where Tebow may very well win the job is by matching strength against weakness. Tebow is exceptionally strong and mobile. That will get him out of situations where Orton will end up on the ground, keeping plays alive. While his arm is not the strongest in the league, he is no slouch and can make the longer passes that are missing from our game with Orton under center. Orton, of course, has the advantage in reading defenses and going through his options. Like Tebow, Orton is a hard worker and a team leader.

We should all be thankful that our team is in this situation, with two quality QBs competing for the job. That competition will make both better players and our team will be the better for it.

by ITPro on Apr 27, 2010 8:53 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

A huge error in judgement by McD with going the Tebow route. Imo, he has a lot to learn about coaching and managing player personnel.

by rocko1 on Apr 27, 2010 9:59 PM MDT up reply actions  

Care to explain

I like people to say why when they disagree.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 27, 2010 10:23 PM MDT up reply actions  

Orton will be better this year with a more stout OL. Same with out running game as everybody will perform better that is behind a better offensive line that has more depth for rotation and injury.

by Kosty on Apr 28, 2010 6:39 AM MDT up reply actions  

Coaching Tebow

rocko1: How many QB’s that have learned under McDaniels, turned into a top 10 QB.?Tom Brady and Matt Cassel. He’s 2 for 2. I’ll take those odds.

by Bentley.Ketchum on Apr 27, 2010 8:40 PM MDT reply actions  

BK just hit reply and type

Charlie Wiess developed Brady into a top 10. i’ll give McD credit for Cassell, but Matt didn’t exactly light the NFL world on fire last year. KO was a good QB before he arrived in Denver. McD is no long connected to the umbilical cord of Bellichick and it remains to be seen if he will devlop into a good HC. His performance in 2009 was mediocre at best no?

by rocko1 on Apr 27, 2010 9:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

McD picks Tebow and suddenly you're off the bandwagon.

"All by their heads, he places crowns."

"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.

by Tempestuous Binary on Apr 27, 2010 10:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Yeah really

rocko, I’m beginning to wonder if you’re Orton’s brother or something… ;)

by AllBroncsallday on Apr 28, 2010 2:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Hm what?

He just bashed Orton, so what are you saying again?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on Apr 28, 2010 3:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks Darin H

Unlike you I only looked at the surface. It seems to make no difference left or right tackle bc like you said defenses dont normally flip flop DE unless youre looking at great athlete. thank you for your insight.

by gwbushby on Apr 27, 2010 10:10 PM MDT reply actions  

It's more of a formational issue...Strong side vs. weak side...And the right side will likely still be the strong side more often than not

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by BroncoSense72 on Apr 28, 2010 8:15 AM MDT up reply actions  

McDs 2 year projection must have read "epic legend"

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by RiG on Apr 27, 2010 10:40 PM MDT reply actions  

at least Tebow won't "sack himself" like Orton was able to manage

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by RiG on Apr 27, 2010 10:44 PM MDT reply actions  

Brady Quinn stays

Orton’s contract is up next year and he won’t resign. Brady quinn will be a back up to Tebow for the next couple of seasons and we could do much worse for a back up QB. Still genius of McD. Bring in a back up that could easily start and play well in this system (he knows it well from Notre Dame) for next to nothing in return.

by doccer79 on Apr 27, 2010 11:29 PM MDT reply actions  

Unless...

…Brandstater progresses well this year. In that case Quinn is expendable.

by ITPro on Apr 27, 2010 11:33 PM MDT up reply actions  

Brandstater could impress

sure, but I think that from what I have seen that Brady Quinn has much more untapped ability than Brandstater and much more experience in our scheme.

by doccer79 on Apr 27, 2010 11:35 PM MDT reply actions  

We have difficult and important games early on....

very little room for error. My best prognostication (before training camp, no less) is this:

KO will be the starter. He will have every opportunity to play every snap of the first 5-6 games. If we struggle in the RZ and on short yardage situations, ala last year, then all bets are off. If KO produces in these areas, TT will sit until the middle of the season (at least) when we have an “easier” stretch.

That said, Josh is the coach and I trust he will put the right QB on the field for us to win….. Can’t wait until training camp. Wish we were on Hard Knocks! (Not really, but it would be kinds cool…)

What a great and interesting year it’s gonna be!

"Brandon Marshall will be a happy BRONCO WR in 2010"
Broncotodd - 2009...Boy, was I wrong or what?

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by Broncotodd on Apr 28, 2010 4:53 AM MDT reply actions  

It's possible we could have one or more rookies starting on the OL in addition to a significant amount of turnover

Not sure that’s the postion you want a rookie QB in. A season to gain experience and gel on the OL could make a world of difference and put him in a better situation when he does come in.

by admill on Apr 28, 2010 6:53 AM MDT reply actions  

I don't see him doing well if he becomes the starter this year.

Lifelong Arizona Cardinals/Chicago Bears fan.

I can't stand fair-weather/bandwagon fans, stick with your team, throughout the good and the bad.

by JoeCB1991 on Apr 28, 2010 9:27 AM MDT reply actions  

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