ILB and the draft
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 2:59 AM MDT
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From J.Chaney, MSU Pro day recap on Natl Fball Post:
The Cincinnati Bengals and the Raiders sent their linebackers coaches to the workout, which was also attended by the New York Giants, Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Indianapolis Colts, St. Louis Rams, New Orleans Saints, Seattle Seahawks, New England Patriots and the Baltimore Ravens
Well Indy, Baltimore, and NE represent 3x of the best personnel offices in the league. I think the NYGs do pretty well also. I wish we had someone there.
Here is the list of private workouts so far:
QB- Tony Pike
WR- Marty Gilyard
C- Matt Tennant
OL- Valdimir Ducasse
C- JD walton
RB- Toby Gerhart
RB/WR/KR- Dexter Mccluster
RB- Montario Hardesty
WR Arrelious Benn
DE Jared ODrick
CB Alterraun Verner
NT Terrence Cody
DE/OLB Koa Misi
NT Terrel Troup
WR Jacoby ford
LB sean weatherspoon
WR Damian Williams
C/G Joe Hawley
C/G Maurkice Pouncey
CB Kareem Jackson
WR Dez Bryant
I really would like to know what Pro Days we attended. I haven't seen too many notes about our scouts being around. This means nothing and is not an attack on McX, but some of these workouts don't make sense to me. Now, I've read some good posts that try and make sense out of this workout list, but I'm starting to ask some questions.
First, why the heck on earth was Dez Bryant brought in for a workout? If all the stuff we talk about are principles for Denver when it comes to team building, then a look at his pro day is enough.
Second, if you're looking at OL (beyond OC) and true LBs, why only look at Ducasse and Wspoon? There are a couple guys similiar to these that could be good fits. While going deep into C/G prospects with Hawley, why no depth into LB prospects?
Look, I love Chaney, but I think we could be missing the boat on any and all LB prospects. Did we get to alot of pro days for LB? Did the change at LB coach (Wink went to DC) affect us?
I;m looking for any answers here, because I'm starting to think we have a lapse in the personnel department. Even if the plan is for someone like Larsen or Haggan to step in, we should be looking hard at interior OL (we obviously are, but primarily OC prospects) and ILB in the draft. I don't see it.
Thewes are you sneaking around this site?? I want some answers buddy. Get McD on the phone and lets get X on point on this.....Thewes, Thewes, you hearing me??
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Sometimes teams don’t actually talk to targets or even publicly appear to look at them so as not to tip their draft hand.
See Cutler, J.
:o)
I hope you're right
most teams tip the hand though. I don’t see us with much reason to hide. Cutler’s selection needed to be hidden I think. I have faith in X and McD. I’m just looking at some facts and raising some questions from those facts.
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:52 AM MDT up reply actions
Bidesh...
Relax, step off the edge, and slow down. Don’t let emotion win the day. Just because the media hasn’t mentioned something does not mean it isn’t happening. We have no exhaustive list about who we have worked out and, to my knowledge, we may not ever get one.
Chaney, in your opinion is the best LB in the draft??? I assume, since LB is a “need” for us that you would advocate us taking him in the first round. No? Why not if he is the “best LB in the draft?” What do you like about Chaney other than his impressive measurables? Have you seen him play? Do you really think that someone who likely won’t go in the first two rounds the best LB in the draft?
You think we have a potential “lapse in the personnel department?” You base this off the PARTIAL list of players we have worked out???? Really?????
By the way, you wrote to me recently “you really don’t know much.” I will refrain from the in depth response to that kind comment. Instead, I will point out this post as a comparison of who “knows” more.
Hey, you step off the edge!! You don't know.....
j/k. I made it clear that my point earlier to you was that no one should be making comments that disparage another comment/post with emotional tirades like……your opinions and judgments are wrong. Not b/c its rude. Other than your final sentence above (even including that) you aren’t offending anyone, but you are showing quite a bit of arrogance. My point is that we got too much of it around here. Its starting to sound like Wilcots and Dukes on the NFLN opining on how stupid Denver’s moves are. It just shows a lack of mature blogging and communication.
Let me help you out with a post that is really a discussion of ideas:
Why do you like Chaney so much? I don’t think he’s gonna go that early (wait, I’m betting you know nothing about Chaney….starting to sound like Dukes, now). Why can’t we wait for the guy? I think the other teams will wait until the 3d round. Also, that partial list is just that…..I think our personnel dept is doing great!
Wow, now look at that….you just communicated all the same points without your childish arrogance.
Here are my responses though:
First, I think Chaney will go in the 2nd round. You should watch some film on him….check out youtube there is tons under run/blitz/pass. He’s great at getting to the ball and dealing with blockers, much better than McClain and Spikes IMO. Although, if I put T.Brady as my best QB in the ‘00 draft would you still laugh at me (of course you would Jamie Dukes). As far as the partial list, I made it clear I know it is partial and maybe there are some good answers out there. However, ILB and OC/OG are two positions that are open. For the OC/OG posn we’ve looked at 4x people so far. For ILB, 1×. It makes me concerned and it doesn’t take a genius to consider that maybe they are real confident about someone on the roster….fine, but we are talking about workouts and pro days (any info on these??)
Hey I love young people on this site. In fact, I think their stuff is almost always the best. Its probably b/c they don’t have this kind of attitude. I figure you are old though, so act your age, grow up and start making comments like you’re as dumb as the rest of us.
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:29 AM MDT up reply actions
Bidesh,
The personal nature of your messages to me compels me to urge you to e-mail me for further discussion along these lines. For fear of violating any rules of conduct, I will say no more about that.
1. I respond to people based on their response to me. If I get my balls busted, I will attempt to bust balls myself. A fault of mine, I admit, but I am working to overcome it. It’s doubtful I am suffering from this fault alone.
2. I’m just curious, you are all over the map so it was hard to follow your logic. Are you saying that old people don’t know anything because if you are young your stuff is the “best?” I am trying to prevent a substantial dollar loss to myself by not barfing on my keyboard. This discussion reminds me of my middle school days. Anyway, I just turned 33 years old, ancient huh? Why don’t you take me out to a pasture and shoot me? My stuff isn’t the “best.”
3. I am fully capable of admitting fault and acknowledging my many mistakes. For example, I once openly advocated drafting Carlos Dunlap and said he was the second coming of Richard Seymour. I feel pretty dumb about that now. I can go on, but my stuff isn’t the “best.”
chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill man.
It’s all apart of draft-chess. Bring in a guy like dez, w/ just the possibility of us taking him at 11 another team who may have been looking for him to drop to them may trade up to get him. Or suppose we’re targeting Iupati and he’s there at 9 or 10. Another team may think we’re tryin to draft dez or pouncy etc., so they won’t jump in front of us to get Iupati….etc…..etc….scenarios go on and on. just chiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill out my man.
+1
Chill.
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Dj, Larsen, Woodyard..
Haggan might start, but he himself said he doesn’t expect to.. But he can back up both olb and ILB..
How many ILB’s do a 3-4 team usually carry? 4 is the correct answer. Having Haggan able at both could allow us to carry an extra D-Lineman, an area where fatigue was a major issue last year – so more players means more rotation and less fatigue.
Dez was trade bait probably.
OT’s maybe the FO are a lot happy with who they have at guard than we know, personally i would imagine that they are better judges of that than some guys on a fan site, just my opinion thought.
If everything they did made sense to you you should probably start thinking about a career in coaching. The reality is they act we react. They are the ones with the in-depth info on these players not us, they are the ones that thoroughly break down game footage with a full understanding of the plays and intentions. They are the ones that know how players are developing on the practise squad.
Put your suspicious/conspiracy glasses down for a sec and you will see that they are totally capable of understanding all of our needs, much more than we will ever be, because they understand what direction they want the team to go, first hand, and we just make guess and react to their actions.
Also as T3A points out below..
They could be really high on McClain, Chaney, Butler and we wouldn’t know it..
Last year they where pretty honest with their workouts i guess we have to wait and see if they are this year as well.
I looks to me like they are trying to keep as open a board as possible, having multiple players in the first 4 rounds that they like so what ever way the draft falls they will get one of their targets.
could be, but
when they take Odrick with the first pick and Benn with the 2nd, oh yeah, we keep Marshall. Things are gonna get questioned. I’m not even gonna comment then. I’m gonna brace for the year and hope McD can pull some stuff out of his butt. Why? B/c it don’t make sense.
I wish we could go back to last year after the draft. I loved the piece by Nichols about the turn of the hand and all that stuff. It really gave me hope for the logic. But, now.even McD admits they weren’t well prepared. I’m looking at the logic of the visits. I don’t see it. It don’t mean crud, but it could
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions
Thats what i mean though,
As fans we just don’t have all the information, and even if we did have it we wouldn’t be able to draw the same conclusions as the coaches.
I personally can see sense in drafting Odrick, He is a very good 5tech prospect could easily replace McBean who was just OK for us last year. Green has said that he doesn’t want to start he wants to come of the bench and have an impact in pass rushing. Whether the FO agree with that or not is not the point but the point is are they happy with McBean, Thomas, Baker and Smith or are they looking to bring in young talented players that could have a long term impact. Odrick has been likened to Richard Seymour, if we could have our own, young, version of Seymour i certainly would not be disappointed one bit. Also with Bannan and Green being over thirty and DLinemen taking a couple of years to develop, now is the time to draft guys so they can learn behind experienced vets. Others have and will probably continue to disagree with this.
you're right!!
winning and productivity cure all…..Fonz could be a stud next year too. It would still raise some questions that we should ask. Doesn’t mean we know a daggone thing though. I’m with ya.
Thanks for the point on Odrick. You’ve successfully prepared me for that scenario. I’m feeling better now.
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions
Justin Bannan already replaced McBean as the starter, no?
Fields will likely be in the rotation at both end and NT, and Holliday’s performance last year seems under appreciated.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Holliday is not on the squad right now.
Bannan would play LDE your right. But if green is going to play his situational role the starter at RDE would be McBean, with Green in rotation. Fields is backup at NT, maybe he can slide maybe he can’t. Thomas, Baker and LKS smith are unknowns. My personal opinion is that Odrick could be a better fit than all those guys at RDE and if he has the potential to have a career like Seymour how can we pass on him? He could play in rotation with Green this year, and would have impact.
I’m not asking you to agree with me, but what if we do pick him, do you just get angry at the FO for not doing what you wanted or do you think ok there must really be something they like about this guy.
They have also brought in Tyson Alualu and and CJ Wilson (haven’t found link for this yet but waiting on it.) They are both 5 tech prospects in the later rounds to i don’t think they are limiting their options.
But one thing to bear in mind from last year. If they are very high on a player they will go and get him regardless of what draft sites or fans think. So expect some surprises.
Definitely, one of the things we should know and expect about our new draft strategy is that McX will only pick players wo fit their mold, and they’ll do what they have to to get those guys. I am completely on board with this strategy, and really won’t be upset with any picks they make.
For example, I’ve had discussions around here with a bunch of people about how I don’t think we need to draft a corner this year, and that I don’t think we are considering Haden or any of the top safeties with the first pick. But, if Haden falls to us, or even Earl Thomas, and we pick him. Then guess what? I’ll know that they saw the need to pick up those players to insure against the age in the secondary, and that they felt those players would be able to make a significant impact for us in the future. And I would be good with that pick, because again, as you said earlier, they know much more than we do. I just like to talk about it and share opinions because it’s fun to act like we know what we’re talking about, and to continue to learn the game through the process.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
by aLuffabo on Apr 7, 2010 11:07 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Holliday is testing the waters in free agency. He’s only visited Seattle so far and that was two weeks ago. It’s still fairly likely that he’ll be a Bronco next year.
Fields already made the shift. He was a DE before he was a nose tackle. He would be shifting back home to his original position, not to an experiment.
We don’t need to further crowd the defensive line, but if they want to let go of Baker and/or Thomas to do so, then that’s fine with me. Only so long as it’s not to spend our highest resources to ignore needs.
and if he has the potential to have a career like Seymour how can we pass on him?
The same way you pass on Jimmy Claussen if he has the potential to be the next Eli Manning. The same way you pass on Joe Haden if he has the potential to be a top-five CB. The same way you pass on Brian Bulaga if he has the ability to be the next Ryan Clady. The same reason you pass on Taylor Mays if he has the ability to be a top safety.
We need to be frugal with our resources. Dan Williams sitting on the bench or playing one down every series does nothing to solve our current problems. And drafting an elite center or three-down inside linebacker does nothing to hurt our future.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
But your assuming that the guys you want would start right away.
I am not disagreeing that a center on a ilb could be high picks, i am saying if we don’t see them high, i will not be as surprised as you. Because, as the workouts show, they have worked out multiple positions projected to go anywhere in the first 4 rounds, and C and ILB are only two of those.
As i just said on another post. It is you who is saying they are our top needs. Not the FO.
Yeah, I figured Bannan would be the starter at LDE, with McBean backing him up. Bannan’s run-stopping skills are put to better use on the strong side. Green should either start or be the pass-rushing specialist at the RDE in spot, hip-to-hip with Doom (Who doesn’t love that mental picture?).
Here’s another thought that just hit me, even though nobody really asked the question, it’s slightly off-topic, and it’s possible nobody cares….
What if our starting lineup looks like this on the Defensive front:
Fields – Williams – Bannan
With the look changing to this on passing downs
Green – Williams – Bannan
Obviously, Williams and Bannan would be subbed out, but I think that could be our main rotation there. I like Fields getting a chance to continue his good play on the right side next to big Jamal, could be cool.
Also, I don’t think we’re going to re-sign Holliday, Alex. I think we will draft at least one defensive linemen to round out the roster group, we have a good amount of guys in there already.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I see the lineup shaping up just like you do
Fields – Williams – Bannan
With the look changing to this on passing downs
Green – Williams – Bannan
As you noted, there will be a variety of formations and substitutes, but I see this basic formation as our “base”. As I noted above, Fields was a DG before Denver anyway.
I hope Holliday is brought back in, but I agree that he won’t be brought back if we draft another DL.
Just to clarify, I wouldn’t support a decision to draft DL with the first couple picks. I don’t mock DL in my entire draft. But I wouldn’t in any way actually be mad about drafting one, just not early.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
I'm confused? Maybe...
The way I think it’s supposed to go is, Jarvis Green on the RDE with Thomas or Holliday if he comes back (hoping, hoping, hoping) and Justin bannan on LDE and NT with McBean and Smith backups? Sound right?
While I appreciate the stellar job Holliday did for us last year, I really don’t think he’ll be back this year. We have already filled his spot with the big 3 FA signings, and already have a bunch of guys behind them on the roster. I would be more hopeful of Holliday’s return if we hadn’t brought back LeKevin Smith. I think the Smith re-signing proves that Holliday wont’ be back.
Can anyone tell me how many D-linemen we carried last year? Or how many is normal for a 3-4?
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
You may be right about Holliday even though he was in top 5 of DEs last year.
Age and sinees might be a factor to that. McDaniels stated in his interview 6 or 7 DLinmen. If they keep 25 total on defense that may mean 7 DLine, 8-9 LBers and 8-9 DBs.
Well, we already have 10 DB’s on the roster (the main reason I don’t think we’ll see more than one drafted between safety and corner), and a bunch of defensive linemen (someone help me with the list here, I’ll try and get them all)
Jamal Williams – Justin Bannan – Jarvis Green – Ryan McBean – Ronnie Fields – LeKevin Smith – Marcus Thomas – with Chris Baker and Everette Pedescleaux waiting in the wings.
Yikes! Talk about a logjam! I think the first 5 on the list are locks to be on the roster. With either Smith or Thomas being cut at some point before the season starts.
And did you call Holliday a top-5 DE in the NFL? He was good for us, but nowhere near that good…
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
I missed this before I posted below
Looks like we got ‘em all. I think that if Holliday had already signed everybody would look at it different. With his visit to Seattle, everybody’s sort of counting him out. And he very well could be moving on. But his performance around here was underrated.
I think bfree was referring to PFF’s grading system of Holliday. He ranks third last year in overall ratings for DE’s that took at least 25% of the snaps. Holliday far outperformed, in every sense and every area, McBean and Peterson. He took more snaps than McBean but a little less than Peterson. In fact, Holliday took nearly as many snaps at DE as Fields did at NT. He was solid in each aspect and was our best pass rusher other than Doom. If the price is right, he’ll likely return.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
They answered below, but we might be able to keep the high end if..
We don’t completely fill the linebacker core from the loss of Andra Davis and likely Griesen and Jarvis Moss. Griesen wasn’t active roster, but Moss and Davis were. So if you figure seven…
Bannan – McBean –
Williams – Thomas
Fields – Green – Baker -
Bubble:
Holliday, PDX, Smith,
Fields is likely to rotate at both DE and NT. If we don’t bring Holliday back, we could use another pass rusher to rotate with Green. If we bring back Holliday, then it would likely be a nose tackle to sub for J-Will. I’m ok with either option if we find good value somewhere, so long as it’s not in the first couple picks.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
What if it is the best value in the first couple of picks?
That is for them to decide not us, and if they decide that what do you do?
Personally i would love it is they could walk away from the first round with Odrick and Pouncey. But i am pretty sure i won’t get my wish. But what can i do about it, i just have to wait and see who we drafted and assume that if it is not the guy i wanted that the FO didn’t like those prospects or liked someone else more.
A good example of this is Orakpo last year, everyone was shouting for him, we needed a rush OLB (more than RB in popular opinion) and he was the top on on everyone elses board. But our FO thought that Ayers was a better fit and felt that they had the opportunity to get Moreno before him.
So whether you are high on a player in terms of value/need really makes no difference and i think it is healthy to understand that.
Personally i would love it is they could walk away from the first round with Odrick and Pouncey.
I would see Pouncey as an immediate upgrade and would wish that instead of Odrick on the bench we’d have Weatherspoon or Trent Williams, or Iupati, or McClain, or even a WR on the field.
A good example of this is Orakpo last year, everyone was shouting for him, we needed a rush OLB (more than RB in popular opinion) and he was the top on on everyone elses board. But our FO thought that Ayers was a better fit and felt that they had the opportunity to get Moreno before him.
The point is that regardless of the order in which they were taken, regardless of which RB or which OLB/DE… Each of our top three players picked were at positions of need – positions were each of those players had room on the roster to immediately step in and start – to immediately fill holes. It’s not like we drafted an OT in the first round last year, not with a healthy Clady and Harris. Of course not, that would be like drafting a guy like Odrick in the first round this year, with 24 healthy DE’s already on the roster.
It’s later on that a reloading team builds youth and depth, after putting the team in the best position to improve by spending its highest resources on its biggest needs.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Wow your quite stubborn aren'y you :-P
Ok, you see Pouncey as a starter and Odrick as a backup.
I could equally argue that Odrick could step right in at RDE as a starter and be an upgrade over, thomas, smith, fields and baker, and that Pouncey will take a year to be ready to start and that McD will trust one of the guys that has plaed in the system on the practise squad over Pouncey. I am not more wrong than you. Both statements make assumptions about things that neither of us knows enough about to be sure about.
The workout list clearly shows that 3-4 DE is among our top ‘needs’ whether you think so or not. Odrick 1st round, Alualu 2nd round, and CJ Wilson (tbc) 3rd/4th round. If they didn’t like either of those players at those spots why would they bring them in, and please don’t answer smoke screens. Private workouts are valuable and it does indicate a teams interest and in what area of the draft they are interested in. So we as an organisation according to these visits are interested in a 3-4 DE in both the first and second round.
I think that we will take it as a given that the FO knows more about this than you or me. They seemingly do see the 3-4 DE as a need (more than you have realised obviously) and they are interested in the top prospects there.
Ok, you see Pouncey as a starter and Odrick as a backup.
I see Pouncey as a starter over the only center on our roster, Dustin Fry, a guy that’s never started a game in his whole career as a PS player. I see Odrick as a situational player behind proven talents such as Bannan, Green, Fields, Holliday.
As I’ve repeatedly said, I don’t have a problem with the FO looking at Odrick or drafting a defensive linemen in the mid-rounds. I simply wouldn’t support a decision to spend our highest resource on a situational backup at an already crowded position.
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
Firstly crowded doesn't mean talented.
Secondly, IMO, Odrick would have as much chance of starting as Pouncey this is due to there not being a set starter at RDE.
Thirdly, i understand your position and don’t think it isn’t valid. The center position looks weak to us, the DE position looks strong, or at least stronger. My observation though is that with us bringing in prospects like Odrick and Alualu it seems though we either want more quality depth at the position and are willing to use a first or second on that or we need a guy who could start as well. However, I think the same is true for Center as well which leaves us in a pickle, and this is where i believe you are saying because we have more depth at DE it becomes less of a priority. That may be so, but it also may be that the value is better for DE in the first or second, or that our current roster centers are better than we know. Those are things i find difficult to qualify and the fact that we looked at those DE’s means it is not as simple as we have more there so it’s less of a need. But with the available information i can see how you come to your conclusion. :-)
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very true
but even the Raiders pretty much draft who they workout. The workouts are important. Most teams do at least something…..see the pro day, interview, etc. Maybe someone knows of a site with info like that. The patsfans site has an in depth list with six different levels of contact. Maybe we’re making all those contacts as well….dunno?
If not though, then I’m just asking the question.
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Are you pointing to the Raiders as an example of a typical drafting strategy? You should look at them as the exception to normal drafting principles, or even a “how-not-to-it” active manual.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
they are a how not to do it
they are the non rational actor, but even they draft players they took a look at. They of course look at off the wall characters DHB and others. The goods are too expensive to not take a peek under the hood. Sometimes you may draft outside, but rarely…..show me stats opposing this…..I don’t think you’ll find ’em
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 3:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Interesting, thanks for sharing the list
Maybe I’m having a blonde moment, but I think is the first that I’ve really looked at list of who’s visited. Pretty telling, really. I’m not sure we can guage interest in certain players, but it provides assurance that we’re looking at the right positions.
Does anybody have a list of players we looked at last year?
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
About as much info as you will find..
Offense
QB – Stephen McGee (Texas A&M) – Official Visit Scheduled – 4/22 (Scout.com)
QB – Mark Sanchez (USC) Rumored Interest (Sam Farmer, Los Angeles Times)
QB – Pat White (West Virginia) – Had Private Workout (Scout.com) Quarterback only Drills (Steve Wyche, NFL.com)
QB – Curtis Painter (Purdue) – Private Workout scheduled
RB – Cedric Peerman (Virginia) – Rumored Interest (Scout.com)
RB – Chris Wells (OSU) – Official Visit Scheduled (Aaron Wilson, Carroll County Times)
RB – Rashad Jennings (Liberty) – Had Private Work out on 3/8 (Scout.com)
RB – Donald Brown (UCONN) – Had Private Workout – 3/24
RB – Javon Ringer (Michigan State) – Private Workout Scheduled (Chris Steuber – Scout.com)
WR – Brian Hartline (Ohio State) – Rumored Interest
WR – Quan Cosby(Texas) – Had a Workout (Scout.com)
C – Eric Wood (Louisville) – Had Private Workout (Gil Brandt, NFL.com & Cincinnati Enquirer)
G – Andy Levitre (Oregon State) – Had Private Workout for the Offensive Line Coach (Scout.com)
RB – Knowshon Moreno (Georgia – private workout
WR – Mike Thomas (Arizona) – private workout
WR – Eron Riley (Duke) – Private Workout
TE – Richard Quinn (North Carolina) – Private workout
Defense
DT – Ron Brace (Boston College) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – BJ Raji (Boston College) – Had Private Workout – 3/20 (The Santa Rosa Press-Democrat)
DT/DE – Brian Orakpo(Texas) – Has Scheduled a Visit (NFL.com)
DT – Ziggy Hood (Missouri) -Had Workout (NFLDraftbible.com)
DT – Fili Moala(USC) – Formal Interview at Combine (Scout.com)
DE/LB –Cody Brown (UCONN) – Had Private Workout by linebacker coach – 3/20 (Scout.com & ProFootballTalk.com)
DE – Conner Barwin(Cincinnati) – Had Private Workout – 3/17 (Scout.com)
LB –Clay Matthews (USC) – Had Official Visit – 4/9 (Andrew Garda, Draftguys.com & Scout.com)
CB– Chip Vaughn (Wake Forest) -Strong Interest (Scout.com)
CB– Malcolm Jenkins (Ohio State) – Had Private Workout -3/20
CB– Alphonso Smith (Wake Forest) – Scheduled Official Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S – Rashad Johnson (Alabama) – Had Visit (ProFootballTalk.com)
S – Louis Delmas (Westen Michigan) – Visit Scheduled (Scout.com)
S – Patrick Chung (Oregon) – Had Private Workout (Scout.com)
Roy Miller (Texas) – PW
Robert Ayers (Tennessee) – PW
David Veikune (Hawaii) – PW
Victor Butler (Oregon State) – PW
Cody Brown (Connecticut) -PW
also EA..
but I think is the first that I’ve really looked at list of who’s visited
urm.. it’s right at the top of my mock in which we spend ages discussing the picks.. you mean to tell me you didn’t even read the post??
urm.. it’s right at the top of my mock in which we spend ages discussing the picks.. you mean to tell me you didn’t even read the post??Shocking! :-P
haha Of course I read it..
It was probably just more a matter of discussing the other overall topic. I didn’t mean I’ve not seen the list before, just that I’ve never spent enough time disecting it for possible trends =) Thanks for the list HS, I’ll be sure to dive in at some point!
Give me impact at center, copmetence at guard and an upgrade at linebacker - sprinkle in strides from having the same system for two years in a row - and I'll show you a contender!
notice anything?
most of our picks were looked at in workouts. I noticed even the Raiders have drafted essentially who they worked out….except Huff. So these things are pretty telling. What does it mean??
Well we can still pull someone out of nowhere, but I think everyone wants to see the goods up close for a 1st rounder.
No Iupati, or McClain…..I think its a good chance he ain’t getting picked. In fact, there are few guys who are 11 material on the list….Dez doesn’t count. Atleast everyone at this site knows (we actually don’t, so no one should call someone WRONG for thinking it) that Dez ain’t getting picked.
It really has me thinking about our workouts….this is my whole point with the post. Then, notice how far down we are looking at OC/G prospects….Hawley is mid rder at best. Many of these WRs are mid-rder possibly. I’m just asking???
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Dez was brought in
plain and simple because he is the most talented WR in the draft, and to help the folks over at ESPN justify picking him to be drafted by us in every single mock that they pump out. These are interviews, I know from personal experience that just because I’m interviewed doesn’t mean I got the job.
We did retain our college scouts and added a few, for all we know our scouts have a 100% complete thorough evaluation of players we don’t deem necessary to interview because we are confident with our internal scouting reports
Just relax and take a chill pill. We all get upset each year because once again the Broncos forgot to draft our favorite player, this year will be the same. Hopefully we can avoid busts and bring in people like Louis Murphy, Austin Collie or Julian Edelmann instead of Kenny McKinley…
Hey, Hey, lay off McKinley! He joined a deep wide receiver corps that didn’t have many injuries during the year. Unlike Collie and Edelman, who were needed to step in because of injuries/retirements. I love what I saw from McKinley in the little bit he showed last year, and his pedigree speaks for itself. I think he’ll be solid for us when given the chance, his quickness is impressive.
While we’re on the topic of WR, I don’t see us bringing in too many WR’s in the draft, with the exception of, obviously, if we lose BMarsh.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Also...
They may be bringing in the players who they think are most likely to be available when we draft (best values). Yes, McCoy is a great player but is there much chance he is available at 11? Yes, things can and will change, but I’d be willing to bet some formula exists based on our draft position and value and those are the players targeted for workouts. Plus, the smoke screen comment made by other posters is legit.
Pro day list.. as requested.. :-)
Pro Day’s Attended by Denver:
1. Fresno State (RB Lonyae Miller, RB Ryan Mathews, WR Seyi Ajirotutu)
2. Virginia (FB Rashawn Jackson, DT Nate Collins, CB Chris Cook)
3. Tennessee (NT Dan Williams, S Eric Berry, RB Montario Hardesty, OG Chris Scott)
4. Georgia (NT Jeff Owens, S Reshad Jones, NT Kade Weston, LB Rennie Curran, WR Micheal Moore)
5. Colorado (Local support)
6. Auburn (RB Ben Tate, CB Walter McFadden, DE Antonio Coleman)
7. Oklahoma (DT Gerald McCoy, QB Sam Bradford, OT Trent Williams, CB Domonique Franks, NT DeMarcus Granger)
8. Utah (OT Zane Beadles, LB Koa Misi, S Robert Johnson)
9. Alabama (LB Rolando McClain, NT Terrance Cody, CB Kareem Jackson, OG Mike Johnson, DT Brandon Deaderick, CB Javier Arenas)
10. Florida (QB Tim Tebow, LB Brandon Spikes, DE Carlos Dunlap, TE Aaron Hernandez, CB Joe Haden, S Major Wright, OC Maurkice Pouncey, WR Riley Cooper)
11. Missouri State (TE/FB Clay Harbor)
12. Louisiana Tech (DT D’Anthony Smith, RB Daniel Porter)
13. Baylor (OC J.D. Walton, WR David Gettis, LB Joe Pawelek)
14. Iowa (OT Bryan Bulaga, TE Tony Moeki, LB A.J. Edds, OT Kyle Calloway, CB Amari Spievey).
Texas and Boise State also.
by HorseStance on Apr 7, 2010 9:52 AM MDT reply actions 2 recs
is this all of them?
seems kinda small?? The list of other teams is pretty substantial. Where did this come from?
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 9:57 AM MDT up reply actions
Dunno mate..
Comes from denver broncos forums, some guys there keep track of this in the news. Very possible is isn’t all of them. Not sure how many your allowed either.
Sounds right.
Here is a list of the ones we didn’t attend.
Credit to MUG from denver broncos forums for these and the ones above, his work not mine.
Pro Day’s Not Attended by Denver:
1. Middle Tennessee State (LB Chris McCoy)
2. Hillsdale (OT Jared Veldheer)
3. West Virginia (QB Jarrett Brown, OT Selvish Capers, WR Alric Arnett)
4. Eastern Michigan (QB Andy Schmitt)
5. UAB (WR Joe Webb)
6. Temple (LB Alex Joseph)
7. Bowling Green (WR Freddie Barnes)
8. Pittsburgh (TE/WR Dorin ****erson, TE Nate Byham)
9. Delaware
10. Toledo (S Barry Church)
11. Purdue (DT Mike Neal)
12. Ohio (WR Taylor Price)
13. Boston College (OC Matt Tennant, LB Mike McLaughlin)
14. Kentucky (FB John Connor, LB Micah Johnson, CB Trevard Lindley, DT Corey Peters)
15. Western Michigan (QB Tim Hiller)
16. Fordham (QB John Skelton)
17. Indiana (OT Rodger Saffold)
18. Appalachian State (QB/WR Armanti Edwards)
19. Louisiana-Lafayette (DE Hall Davis)
20. Richmond (OG Matt McCracken)
Hey Man...
Private Workouts and Pro-Days mean nothing in the NFL…
The Scouting Dept. has 3-4 years of tape on each player. That is what they will base thier evaluation upon. Private Workouts have thier place, but McD and Xanders are smart enough not to get wrapped up in the Pro-day/Combine Hype.
It would be best if we also follow suit.
The Fan Formerly known as HillisRanUover...
by theGreatGuessKowski on Apr 7, 2010 9:58 AM MDT reply actions
well to say that the mean nothing is wrong, but i see your point.
The have game tape but they don’t know the player. The like to get to know they player before drafting him because his personality has a big impact on how well he will do here.
I think it is the interviews
that they value. Either McD or Xanders said it at one point, I think it was Xanders. They already have tons of tape, but hearing what these guys say in an interview is what is important to them. So you are probably right that we will have met with most, if not all, of our early picks. This would seem to indicate that Dez Bryant will be a no-go.
well we dont have that many picks
one thing to remember is our scouts are not going to be high on the publicity list because we are not an east coast team or a past 5 yr super bowl winner. Most of our movements are not going to be recorded in the press. I wouldn’t put a whole lot of stock in the sheer number of people we work out or how many at each position. Position however should be noted. We worked out WR’s ILB’s, OL and DL. That shoudl speak to where we may be looking
Davis and Sharpe to the Hall!
"Teamwork divides the task and double the success."
- Unknown
Good point,
With only 6 picks, currently, we can only get so much depth. Also with ethe 6/7th round picks never really being impact players we really only have 4 areas where we can get serious upgrades.
C, DE, WR, G, NT, ILB, OLB, CB, RB are the main positions we have looked at.
I’m not great with values, maybe someone else can have a go.
DE/NT/OLB are considered the hardest to get quality starters at so logic would say that they go high.
C/G/WR/CB probably next.
ILB/RB after that maybe.
Then you try and assess that in relation to team need.. and you get mightily confused, well i do.
That’s the point i stop trying to second guess what our FO thinks are needs are and just play the wait and see game. At least by doing all this research we will have a better idea of these players if they are in fact drafted by us. Maybe after the draft we can further speculate on our strengths and weaknesses.. which each team has because you can fix everything.. ever!
I didn't vote in the poll because I like them all.
Some have said Pat Angerer is a better 4-3 LB than a 3-4, but I don’t pay too much attention to that and he is an angry player. If we draft 6 of those you have on the visit list I’ll be happy as a Jay bird in a dog food factory, all except the first and last one.
I think that Josh McDaniels would have NEVER let Andra Davis go before the draft if his plan was to draft Rolando McClain.
McDaniels is very secretative and would never let the whole NFL know his plans before the draft.
I think that Pat Angerer is the type of player that McDaniels will look for.
I'll take any of the following and may be a reason why they haven't really looked hard at ILB.
Angerer, Lee, Weatherspoon, Chaney, Dilliard, McClain. I’ll take them all.
fair enough......who falls the furthest, huh?
not the most feel good draft strategy, but I can deal with it…..a lot of faith in ol Wink there
by BideshiBronco on Apr 7, 2010 3:15 PM MDT up reply actions
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