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Optimist vs Pessimist: Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow

The first part of this post covered a variety of issues. I talked about all of the topics that have split Bronco Country. From Kyle Orton, The Offensive Line, and the Linebackers to Wink, the Schedule, and even MHR, I tried to cover everything. However, there were 2 obvious omissions to the last post: Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow. How could I forget the 2 people who have split Bronco Country the most?! Well, I didn't. They deserved a post dedicated to them. That's how controversial they are. So without further ado:

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Let's start with the man who is responsible for Tebow being a Bronco: Josh McDaniels

 

Josh McDaniels is a living, breathing controversy. There are very few things that he has done that haven't ignited a huge controversy. Let's look at 3 of the most controversial things that Josh has done.

The Trade Jay Cutler

Let's be honest, This was one of the worst things he could have done coming into the Broncos organization. He was brought into a team that had a wonderful, young offense. He had a young, talented pro bowl qb who hadn't even started his best years of football. Cutler had a rocket arm and the sky was the limit. One of the worst if not the worst thing to do in that situation was to trade Jay Cutler. QB is the most important position on a team and McDaniels had a young, pro bowl caliber qb that he traded away for Kyle Orton and draft picks. It didn't matter that the bounty for Cutler was substantial, Josh McDaniels traded away his young, pro bowl qb and was without a franchise qb. It made the team worse.

The Benching of Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler

Denver blew their 6-0 start. They headed into week 17 with a chance to still make the playoffs. They absolutely had to win. So in the preparation for the final game, Josh McDaniels suspended his best offensive player in Brandon Marshall and another big play weapon in Tony Scheffler. Talk about controversial. In a must win game, Denver was left without 2 big offensive weapons. Brandon Marshall had said he was having trouble with his hamstrings. Brandon was reportedly late for the therapy session. Add on top of the teams suspicion to how legitimate the injury was and Brandon was suspended. Tony was suspended after he was overheard saying that he couldn't wait until the season was over. Everyone had their opinions about this, but the fact is that Denver had a better chance of winning with Brandon and Tony then without. That is why the benching was so controversial.

The Trading of Brandon Marshall

It was expected for a long time. Everyone knew it was gonna happen. However, it is still very controversial. Brandon Marshall was yet another young, talented pro bowl caliber player on the Broncos that McDaniels ended up trading. Since McDaniels got the job, he had his ups and downs with Brandon. When he suspended Brandon in the pre season, everyone pretty much assumed that he was on the block to go. Brandon probably would have liked to be traded sooner, but McDaniels kept Brandon for the entire year. Brandon went on to earn a pro bowl berth. Everything seemed a lot better, but the week 17 benching was the icing on the cake. Brandon was as good as gone. Even until the very end, Brandon had his supporters who campaigned for him to stay. But it was too little too late. Time will tell if it was the right move, but if Denver's offense struggles this year, you better get ready for the critics to come out with all guns blazing.

Other Controversial Things

2009 Draft

Josh McDaniels came into the league and got rid of the franchise QB in Jay Cutler. He had a defense that ranked next to last. His front 7 was a mess. So what does he do with his 1st draft pick? Draft the best defensive player at the time: Brian Orakpo draft a running back in Knowshon Moreno. It was very controversial to say the least. He also managed to trade a 1st round pick for an undersized cornerback, draft a blocking tight end a full round higher then he was expected to go, and only draft 1 front 7 player. Let's just say that this draft was very controversial and people are still unhappy about it.

Letting Mike Nolan leave

Hiring  Mike Nolan was a good move. He was a veteran in the game and was well respected. The results showed as Mike managed to coach the Broncos defense to a top 10 ranking. So when Mike and Josh decided it was best to split, people were astonished. Why on earth would Josh let him leave. The man just totally remade your defense and you are going to let him leave? WHY? It's an intriguing question. I wish we knew more, but if Denver's defense struggles then once again, expect the critics to come out and show no remorse.

2010 Draft

On the surface, this draft appears to be a solid one. The only reason this draft is controversial is because of one man. One extraordinarily, talented man who ignited more draft discussion then anyone in the history of the draft. Yes, we all know who I am talking about. I am talking about no other then

Tim Tebow

Has there been a more controversial player then Tim Tebow? I highly doubt it. The weird thing is he is a really good guy. He doesn't talk trash and he doesn't do anything to warrant such controversy. However, his play is nothing but controversial. He comes from Urban Meyer's offense that isn't an NFL offense. Tebow is a winner. He did whatever was necessary to win. He could be the best college player in the history of the NCAA. That is saying something. Let's look at the aspects of his game that make him so controversial.

Throwing Motion

This is the obvious one. I don't think any other player's throwing motion has been under a microscope more then Tebow's. Every aspect of his throwing motion has been scrutinized. His ball placement, wind up, and release have been highly talked about. His old throwing motion was bad and it needed to be fixed. With the help of some quarterback coaches and 800 repetitions a day, Tebow was able to change his throwing motion. Jon Gruden said that his throwing form is much improved. Time will tell if his new throwing motion holds up.

Shotgun Offense

Florida runs a shotgun offense. What that means is that the quarterback primarily works out of the shotgun. So it was natural for people to wonder if Tebow was able to do his 3,5, and 7 step drops. It was a good question. Tebow showed that his drops were fine. He said that in practice he would work on his drops even if he didn't use them in the game. Jon Gruden was impressed by his drops. If Jon Gruden is impressed, then I have no reason to worry.

Placement of the Ball

Tebow held the ball around his chest area. It created a wind up motion that he had to fix. Let me show you the difference it made when he held the ball higher

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Man that second picture is a beauty.

Character

Tim Tebow may have one of the most high character people to ever pick up a football. He is a great leader, a hard worker, and everything you want in a man who leads your team. That is why he is so controversial. Grading him purely on his talent he is probably a 3rd round pick. However, his character is so high that we had to get him in the 1st round. He is such a hard worker that teams believe he is worth a 1st round pick. So technically, his character and work ethic are so good that they are 1st round worthy. Very controversial if you think about it.

Reads

Another question about Tebow is he is his ability to read NFL defenses. This is an area that is very crucial to quarterbacks. Peyton Manning is perhaps the best quarterback to ever read defenses. He calls plays based on what he sees from the defenses. If Tebow can have half of Peyton Manning's skill then he will be in great shape.

All of things have made Tebow one of the most controversial and debated quarterbacks ever.

 

So what does this all mean? Both of them are controversial. Both of them make headlines. Since these two are so controversial, there are a lot more views on them then just optimistic and pessimistic. So I made 2 additional groups: Semi-pessimistic and semi-optimistic. Oh snap. Check it out.

Optimist vs Pessimist: Josh McDaniels

Optimist: He is building a team. He is not getting a bunch of superstars together to try and win a championship. He is building a team that care and respect one another. He is putting together the pieces. We are going to be playoff contenders until all the pieces are in place. Then we will be championship contenders. He is going to lead us to a McDaniels/Tebow championship era that will resemble Shannahan/Elway. He will be fist pumping in Denver for a long, long time.

Pessimist: He is destroying our team. He is getting rid of all the talented players for guys with character. That is cool, but character doesn't win championships. Talented players do. By the time he is fired, he is going to ruin our team. He is building us to be a NFL bottom dweller for years. I just hope that Bowlen fires him sooner rather then later.

Semi-Optimist: I like what he is doing. He is building a team full of high character, hard working guys. Something that we have been lacking for some time. Some of his moves are controversial, but they will work out eventually. He is energetic and exciting. It is something that Shannahan wasn't. I think he is doing a good job. He is building a very solid team that will win us some AFC West Championships and possibly a Super Bowl.

Semi-Pessimist: I don't like this guy. He lost me when he handled the Cutler trade terribly wrong. He handled the Brandon Marshall situation totally wrong. He traded a 1st rounder for Alphonso Smith who sucks and will never be a factor in this league. He is getting rid of all our talent for old players who don't have much left in the tank. He drafted Tebow when we already have 3 young players. He could have just focused on Quinn and making him our starter. Why would he draft Tebow? I just don't see what he is trying to accomplish. He is making all the wrong moves, but maybe they will somehow not totally ruin us.

Optimist vs. Pessimist Tim Tebow

Optimist: This guy is going to lead our team until he retires. He is everything you want in a quarterback. He is tough, strong, a hard worker, and an incredible leader. He has intangibles that are off the chart. He is a must have player and I am thrilled that McDaniels got him. There are questions about him, but he works way too hard for him to fail. He will succeed or die trying. He is exactly the kind of quarterback that we needed. Super Bowl here we come.

Pessimist: Good job McD, you just drafted the best h-back prospect to come out in years. Seriously, Tebow is not a quarterback. He is going to end up being an H-back. His throwing motion is terrible, he can't read an NFL defense and he has little experience under center. So once again McD, why would you draft a player like that? You just drafted the next big NFL Bust.

Semi-Optimist: I don't necessarily love the pick, but the guy has all the intangibles. He is hard working and a leader. He is the perfect interviewer. I can understand why McDaniels made the pick. Obviously he didn't feel comfortable with Orton, Quinn, and Brandstater as the 3 quarterbacks on the roster. So now we have our quarterback for the future. Let's hope that McD can work some more "Matt Cassel" magic.

Semi-Pessimist: I like the guys character, but once again character doesn't win championships. Talent does and Tebow hasn't shown that any of his college talent is NFL relevant. He doesn't work under center. His form is bad and he can't read an NFL defense. Maybe McD can work his qb magic with Tebow, but I highly doubt it. Tebow needs too much work and McD doesn't have enough time.

 

There you have it MHR. The two most controversial men to call themselves a Bronco. Both of their futures will be determined in the coming years. The question I have for you is: What are you?

Poll
When it comes to McDaniels and Tim Tebow, what are you?
Optimistic
110 votes
Semi-Optimistic
46 votes
Pessimistic
5 votes
Semi-Pessimistic
8 votes

169 votes | Poll has closed

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Nice job DIE!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on May 10, 2010 5:28 AM MDT reply actions  

thanks boydy!

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:03 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll go with realist

“He is destroying our team. He is getting rid of all the talented players for guys with intangibles. That is (not) cool (if they can’t play). Character/intangibles don’t win championships. Talented players do. He will be fired by 2012. He is well on his way to ruining our team. Has built us to be a NFL bottom dweller for years (for some other coach/GM maybe owner to fix). I just hope that Bowlen fires him sooner rather than later.”

I had to have written this a while ago (minor edits only).

Good read.

Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.

by McGeorge on May 10, 2010 7:47 AM MDT reply actions  

McGeorge

You call it you being a realist and I call it pessimist. I am an optimist who will support McD and if it does not work out I will support the next coach. Either way Tebow IMO will be a great QB, that’s just me being a realist. I guess we all have a different views.

2/3 of the earth is covered by water the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey!

THIS IS BRONCOS COUNTRY!!!

by The 3 Amigos on May 10, 2010 9:39 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions  

By being a realist

Wouldn’t you need to actually see Tebow play before calling him a great QB?

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 1:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

Getting rid of headaches isn't so bad.

McDaniels stated the type of player he looks for and tries to get; tough, physical, smart, versatile and no character issues. That doesn’t mean the players he get’s won’t tear your head off (BDawk) and spit down your throat if you are opposing them. I have no problem with those type of players. I don’t foresee Tebow as being the distraction Marshall was or even Cutler for that matter. The me guys have to go and the quicker we realize that we probably wouldn’t have ever won with them the better off we’ll be. I seriously don’t need somebody preaching to me about why Pat Bowlen should fire McDaniels, I’m pretty sure Pat Bowlen knows how to take care of himself…

by bfree2bronc on May 10, 2010 10:18 AM MDT up reply actions  

Once again

your statement reflects my opinion, completely

by numeraluno on May 10, 2010 1:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Have to take exception with this:
He is destroying our team.

Seems to me it’s more of a case that he’s maintained the status quo. The argument is often that McD has gotten rid of young talented players, and an offense that was about to break out. Yet, that young, talented offense accomplished the following (and spare me the argument that it was all the defense’s fault. The defense made the offense’s job harder, but the offense also did not do the defense a whole lot of favors either):

2006: After a 7-2 start, the team finished 2-5. They needed only to win the final game to make the playoffs, but lost 23-26 after leading 13-0. 1 of the 2 Denver touchdowns in that game was scored by the defense.

2007: The Broncos lost 4 of their last 6 games to miss the playoffs. Almost half (13/27) of the Broncos interceptions came in that stretch.

2008: After a 3-0 start, Denver faded to 4-4 at the midway point, including a 3 game losing streak. The team was positioned for a playoff run when they reached 6-4, but for the 2nd season in a row lost 4 of their last 6 games to miss the playoffs, ending the season on a 2nd 3 game losing streak. 7 of the team’s 18 interceptions were thrown during that 6 game stretch.

2009: After a 6-0 start, the team dropped to 6-2. At 6-4 they were still poised for a playoff run, but for the third year in a row dropped 4 of their last 6 games. 7 of the Bronco’s 12 interceptions came in that 6 game period.

I fail to see how McDaniels did anything other than maintain the status quo, despite having replaced most of the coaches, most of the defense, nearly 50% of the roster, and implementing new systems on both sides of the ball.

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on May 10, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Perhaps you should go with "predictable"

I’ve been reading MHR for about a year. The majority of your posts during that period have been reflexively and repetitively negative. It’s not just that your arguments are sour and suspect, it’s that they are tired. Moreover, they’ve grown tiresome. You need a new schtick.

by Telluridden on May 10, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions  

Addendum...

My earlier post was directed at McGeorge. Although I suspect everyone on MHR knew that.

by Telluridden on May 10, 2010 11:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

Boy do I feel relieved

I thought you were calling me predictable. ;-p

We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough

by Brian Shrout on May 10, 2010 12:22 PM MDT up reply actions  

Im taking Optimistic...

The players he flushed, needed to be flushed! They were malcontents that were not going to have their way w/McD as they did Shanahan. The 8-8 record this year, was with a much tougher schedule than in 08. I think Cutler’s marginal, and has ryan leaf attitude w/Jeff George sklls. He is who we thought he was after watching his play in Chicago. McD said he selected Demaryius Thomas because he reminded him of Brandon Marshall the “football player”, w/o the character problems! So, the explusion to me was an benchmark moment for this team, and now the players are educated, perceptive, high character players that come with a team 1st attitude. I like it personally….for those who lament about Cutler and all this “Franchise QB” rhetoric, I say follow him in Chicago. But they’re seeing what we all saw. Lots of potential, but NO heart or ability to lead, just to lay blame at the feet of everyone but himself. Tebow, in time will be everything this team has wanted, and has needed. AGain, I did say, “in time”. I hope that time is sooner than later! Hey Chicago, how do ya like Jay now? Yeah, I thought so!

"Attitude reflects Leadership" Hogblog...aka KSM

by Hogblog on May 10, 2010 8:40 AM MDT reply actions  

+1

great comment hog. He is gettin rid of the players who are detrimental to the TEAM and adding players who want to be apart of the TEAM more then anything. Love what he is doing so far.

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:06 PM MDT up reply actions  

I'll start by saying,

I don’t get everything that McDaniels is doing with the Broncos. Probably never will. However, while I love football and have a good understanding of the game, I’m not paid to coach, recruit, or manage the team either. And, though I don’t get everything going on I do trust that Mr. Bowlen has confidence on what his staff is doing to get the Broncos better. The outcome will be one of two things, a revolution of the game or a grand experiment gone wrong . I hope for the first.

Great read and points BroncoTILLIDie. So I get I’m a semi-optimist….

"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."

by bchiper on May 10, 2010 9:05 AM MDT reply actions  

Thanks chip!

Nobody truly knows what he is doing with the Broncos, but signs are pointing up to me. I would call myself a semi-optimist towards McD but a optimist towards Tebow.

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:07 PM MDT up reply actions  

BTIDie you keep scratching those old wounds and they won't ever heal...

It’s Tebow Time and I’m on board, not because I ever thought I would, but there’s something about that kid that spell’s success. It’s not hard to see it if you want to.

by bfree2bronc on May 10, 2010 10:20 AM MDT reply actions  

There will be no more wound opening on my part lol

Tebow Time = Championship Time. Ready for the future. Let’s go baby!

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

Look at the smile in the pic

He loves the game, he wants to be a Bronco

Woot!

by iSavant on May 10, 2010 12:18 PM MDT reply actions  

I'd be smiling to

If I got picked a bit then anyone predicted.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 1:13 PM MDT up reply actions  

Nothing I love more then a player who WANTS to be a Bronco. It makes me all warm and fuzzy inside...

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:11 PM MDT up reply actions  

My Opinion
character doesn’t win championships. Talented players do.

I would disagree by stating – TALENTED PLAYERS W/HIGH CHARACTER WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!!
such as, P Manning, D Brew, T Brady with the exception being Big Ben (however I believe his maturity is in question, not absolutely his character)

Talented Guys = J Russell, T Owen, R Leaf, (what have they won)

by numeraluno on May 10, 2010 1:31 PM MDT reply actions  

Agreed!

High Character/Talented Players win championships. Not only that, they leave legacies. We are in the “McD/Tebow era”. Look for those Super Bowls Baby!

I always believe there's a reason why you go through everything - John Elway
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder

by Nick Cast on May 10, 2010 2:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

hold the applause

for McDaniels. He hasn’t accomplished one thing as a NFL head coach. He has a loooong way to go before he will be considered a good HC. I’m talking about McD’s performance on the field. Yes we started out 6-0 in 2009, but the team fell apart in the final 10 games. As a HC, Josh is the bottomline on winning and losing. The failure rate for HCs is very similar to rookie QBs. Hold the applause fro both until they both PROVE that they are NFL caliber.

by rocko1 on May 10, 2010 9:07 PM MDT reply actions  

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