Have the Denver Broncos Unearthed an Undrafted Gem?
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For die hard fans, one of the most exciting parts of draft weekend is not only watching to see who your team picks up during the draft, but also the group of guys who are signed after the selection process as undrafted free agents. Broncos fans have good reason to be excited, mainly because the organization found one of the best players in team history, wide receiver Rod Smith, on the post-draft free agent scrap.
Josh McDaniels has only been with the team for a year, so no undrafted player he has brought in has yet made the type of impact of a Rod Smith, or anything close for that matter. Still, the team has recently voiced its high hopes for 2009 undrafted players like defensive tackle Chris Baker and tight end Marquez Branson.
Other undrafted players on the Broncos who have already made an impact in the league as far as actual playing time goes are fan favorite and linebacker Wesley Woodyard, offensive tackle Tyler Polumbus, and cornerback Tony Carter, all of whom have started games at the NFL level.
With the depth and talent of the recent 2010 NFL Draft, perhaps a bit more excitement surrounded the post-draft festivities. The Broncos and their fans knew they could and likely would get some solid athletes without having to spend any draft picks, and on paper, it seems like they went out and did a fine job, potentially stocking up on what many already thought to be a very strong draft.
It's extremely early in the process, and no declarations should be made quite yet, but it's hard to ignore the talent of a few of the Broncos' undrafted rookies. Here is a guy the Broncos brought into mini-camp who I believe has a real shot of making the roster, and one whose path to the NFL is an interesting ride, to say the least.
Meet Toney Baker, Running Back, North Carolina State
5'10" 235 4.53
Toney Baker was an interesting story long before his NFL career ever materialized. In 2005, Baker was rated as one of the top running backs in his graduating class, and was rated a four-star prospect by Rivals.com and a five star prospect by Scout.com. Baker is one of the most prolific running backs in high school football history, regardless of conference, state, city, or any other variable.
His 10,231 rushing yards at Ragsdale High School in Jamestown, North Carolina rank third all-time among high school football running backs. His extremely productive high school career was highlighted by a junior season where he rushed for over 3,400 yards and 41 touchdowns. He didn't exactly disappoint in his senior season either, when he rushed for over 3,000 yards and 38 touchdowns.
Before he became a member of the N.C. State Wolfpack, Baker showed he was an extremely impressive combination of size, speed, and toughness, running the 40 yard dash in 4.45 seconds, throwing up 30 repetitions of 225 pounds on the bench press, with a vertical leap of 32 inches. Even though that was five years and 20 pounds ago, those are still very impressive numbers for a power style running back. His high school coach had this much to say about him:
"Any school that plays big college football better be after him," says Ragsdale head coach Tommy Norwood. "If he's not the best rising running back in North Carolina, I don't want to know who is and I don't want to play against him. I mean, all Toney did was run for over 2,000 yards last year."
Unfortunately, we're not on this site because we are N.C. State Wolfpack fans, and unfortunately, it's no longer 2005, and Baker's collegiate career has to be considered a major disappointment given the amount of hype that surrounded it.
For the first two years of his career, Baker split time with Andre Brown, who is one of the better running backs in Wolfpack history. His first two seasons appeared to be promising though not very flashy, when he ran for a total of 1,234 yards and 11 touchdowns in a running back by committee system.
His performance as a freshman and sophomore were encouraging enough to the point that Baker was placed on the 2007 Doak Walker Award Watch List, and the nation was ready for him to emerge as a collegiate superstar. But oh, how quickly they fall.
Baker tore up his knee in the season opener in 2007, and missed the rest of the year as well as the entire 2008 campaign as a result. The man who was expected to be a superstar instantly became an afterthought, but Baker was not finished with football just yet.
After an extremely arduous rehabilitation process, Baker returned to football in 2009 and had the best season of his collegiate career. The 23 year old amassed 773 yards on 160 carries and finished the season with six rushing touchdowns. He also proved to be a very valuable commodity in the passing game, catching 28 passes for 355 yards and three more scores.
Baker's 2009 performance earned him the ACC's Brian Piccolo Award as the league's "most courageous" player, which was well deserved considering some thought he might never play again.
Now Baker's comeback has come full circle. A man who was once a high school All American in the fast lane en route to stardom got a gigantic dose of humility with essentially two years out of football. Baker also has a minute tie to Denver in a way, which can be discovered in this interview at the NC State Rivals site. Apparently, the new Bronco grew up idolizing former Denver superstar Terrell Davis, who has a strikingly similar repertoire and scouting report.
Here's what Baker had to say in early January when he declared himself eligible for the 2010 NFL Draft, passing up on a sixth year of granted eligibility at NC State:
"I'm very excited just to train and get my body ready," Baker said. "I've really been working for this a long time. This is a dream of mine. Really just excited, anxious, just ready to get out there and play with the best."
Baker also gave Scout.com a nice little scouting report prior to his arrival to Raleigh. Here's what the Broncos are getting from their new running back, in his own words:
"I have great speed, vision and strength, I see the whole field good and I can juke and jive as well as run right over you. I have great instincts. I want to be a better pass blocker and be an all-around back and help my team in every way."
Well, there's that versatility Josh McDaniels and the Broncos' coaching staff absolutely love in their players. It's quite rare for the Broncos to be "thin" at the running back position, but this offseason it's any man's game. The Broncos drafted Knowshon Moreno in the first round of the 2009 NFL Draft, and return Correll Buckhalter. The team also brought on J.J. Arrington and relatively unknown Lance Ball and Bruce Hall to compete.
Baker seems to have as good of a chance at a spot on this team as anybody.
At the N.C. State pro day, Baker weighed in ten pounds heavier than his playing weight, a very solid 235 pounds. Still, he was able to turn in a 4.53 second 40 yard dash, not bad for a guy who missed essentially two seasons with knee injuries. Baker had this to say after his pro day performance:
"Just to put down some good numbers, show that I'm a football player, that I can catch and run, that I'm explosive," Baker said. "I weighed in at 234 and I feel great at that weight. A team that's looking for a big back with balance and can run in and out, I'm that guy. "You can always improve in every aspect, especially as a running back. Our job requires a lot. We got to block, run and catch. That's what I'm going to work on."
Perhaps it's not healthy to become attached to undrafted rookies, but Baker seems to have the determination, heart, athleticism, and physical tools to make it as a player in this league. Though his injury history should not be thrown on the back burner, he certainly seems to be in top tier NFL shape, and may have gone a little too far under the radar.
Fortunately for the Broncos, Baker is something of a Denver fan, and he chose them to jump start his NFL career. Whether or not this kid makes it out of camp, he is undoubtedly the most intriguing prospect in the undrafted free agent class due to his more than legitimate chance to crack the final roster by the end of training camp.
Perhaps someday Baker will pay a certain respect to his childhood idol by executing the Mile High Salute on the other end of a few Denver Broncos touchdown runs.
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A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:29 PM MDT up reply actions
As soon as the list came out of our UFA
Toney Baxter jumped out to me. He was derailed by injuries, but as soon as he is healthy, everyone better watch out. This kid is a beast. Watch film of him. He really could be the next gem. Love his potential. Great write up Sayre(as always)! Rec’d.
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Thanks Kyle!
I tried to find a highlight tape on him, but was unsuccessful, I think I noticed a link below, so I will check it out! I think he makes the team, and possibly gets into the rotation if all goes well. I will have a close eye on him during the pre-season, and I might get to see him get his most PT live when I head up to Minneapolis for the pre-season finale!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:30 PM MDT up reply actions
My name is Nick lol not Kyle
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whatever Kyle :)
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by Orange and Blue on May 10, 2010 8:31 PM MDT up reply actions
haha oh man I have a feeling that is going to be my new name
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
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What do you want a new name for? Kyle is fine!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
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Kyle want to change his name to Nick?
That is ridiculus. Stay who you truly are Kyle. What if every Kyle wanted to change their name to Nick…Nick Orton?!? Doesn’t sound right.
Although, now that I think about it: Kyle Castillo = KC = Kansas City, so we’ll just call you Chief :)
LOL
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
Wow
We should feel honored that our QB is posting stories and comments.
Though I kinda wish he’d spend his time in the weight room and the film room. ;-p
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on May 11, 2010 10:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Sorry Kyle!
Haha, just kidding Nick, sorry about that man!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 11:26 PM MDT up reply actions
If you looked for Toney Baxter..how did he look?
Toney Baker has been through the war so now he just fights a battle at a time. I think any big head or ‘they owe me’ type attitude left him in 2007-2008.
Love this pickup.
The last line gave me chills
I never knew anything about this guy, thanks.
Thanks for your comment! I appreciate the read!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Nice post Sayre
I love how you find all this information about these guys.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
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thanks johnny!
It’s my pleasure! I had a lot of fun doin the research for this one, Baker has a really cool story!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:32 PM MDT up reply actions
Great write Sayre! As soon as I got to the knee story.....
….visions of Terrell Davis seemed to flash with a mixture of stars and thoughts of long runs. It sounds like his knee injury was a little more severe than TD’s but the similarities are remarkable.
Thanks for all the research, I just haven’t had the time. I’ll definitely keep an eye on this guy.
Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.
Absolutely
That was eerie to me as well. I didn’t know if TD had knee injuries in college or not, so I didn’t throw that comparison out there.
Thanks for the read!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Great Read!
I found this highlight video on him in case anyone was interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIPp4Y7V-1E
-he definitely gets every yard possible out of a run, hopefully he can be on the PS at the very least… the dude is a beast
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by manbearpig5000000 on May 10, 2010 3:25 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks for the great film
Anybody think of Barry Sanders when they saw this?
by oorange blood on May 10, 2010 5:27 PM MDT up reply actions
Looks like a guy who will do better at the pro-level.
Great video!
At 5-10 he’s hard to see behind 6-4 lineman, and with that power and single-step redirection, and ability to follow blockers, he has game. Very impressive!
by MichaelCushman on May 10, 2010 6:21 PM MDT up reply actions
This is a good video!
He’s like a bowling ball out there! Quick to the hole, quicker in the open field. I like it. He breaks a ton of tackles over the course of this video.
He kinda looks like Ray Rice….at least that’s what I thought when he busted a couple of those runs.
I thought he looked a lot like Rice too!
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
Ray Rice and/or MJD
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by sbsbroncofan on May 10, 2010 7:51 PM MDT up reply actions
I'm becoming like a broken record
But Shonn Greene and him might just be the same person…haha
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:56 PM MDT up reply actions
You're real high on this guy,
aren’t ya Sayre? haha
Eddie Royal will have a breakout season in 2010. Count on it.
Could be - Green came on at Iowa when Baker got hurt
Perhaps he had to return to his secret identity.. but good luck getting him in a phone booth to change clothes – his shoulders are too wide to fit.
I don’t know how you can look at the film and not see similarities to Ray Rice. Even with that build, he has the ability to get lower when he runs. He ignores poor tackling form. He has a nice stiff-arm and a near-perfect build for the position, with the speed and the ability to find holes (vision) that many back lack. Great balance, soft hands…He may be the perfect second bad to Moreno as Buck gets older. I’m not as rigid on it, but I share Parcells’ feeling – after 30, backs and linebackers are on the way down. There are always exceptions, but having someone like this to match with Moreno as Buck’s role inevitably diminishes sound like a great idea. Here’s hoping that he can adapt to the NFL game!
To be fair to Buck, he’s actually low miles for his age. He missed 2002, 2004 and 2005 with injuries and wasn’t that productive for a few other years, so he’s able to bring a lot of talent even at his age. That said, Baker looks like a heck of a find. Nice one – rec’d
Gnothi Seauton
If he plays like Rice, that would be sweet
Take my advice... I'm not using it!
"If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague."
I definitely agree with the Ray Rice comparison
Another thing about this video that I noticed is that many of these runs came from the shotgun-spread formation, which is very good for us. He looked awesome catching the ball out of the backfield as well. It seems like McX has done a great job of acquiring some talented guys at great values; I can’t wait until TC to find out if Baker can contribute this year.
DON'T TELL AL GORE WHERE I AM!!!
by manbearpig5000000 on May 11, 2010 12:54 AM MDT up reply actions
Good pont!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
great find, mbp5
looks like has great hands too. like him a lot.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin
by Orange and Blue on May 10, 2010 6:42 PM MDT up reply actions
Absolutely fantastic
Now I’m even more excited. First name that came to mind when I watched that highlight reel was Shonn Greene, but Greene never caught passes at Iowa.
This kid is the real deal. Low center of gravity, fantastic speed, if not for his knee injuries he wouldn’t have made it past day two of the draft. Great pickup.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:44 PM MDT up reply actions
Let's see now,
Physically:
Can a mere 24 year old be an athlete at 235 pounds (10 gained in the last year) and only 5’10?
Is he fully recovered after suffering an injury so severe it took two years to come back from?
Mentally:
Majors in Parks and Rec.?
(Although eligible for another year of building college credibility) decides to go for the draft after basically only a single year of so-so productivety?
He may, of course, become an NFL superstar but that is certainly a longshot. If properly advised, he might have stayed in school, gotten a degree (to fall back on) and earned enough football credence to get drafted next year giving him at least a little guaranteed money should the knee or the ability blow out in short order. He better work his butt off in the next couple of months. If he doesn’t conquer incredible long odds, he will find that after all the prep years, he will have zilch to show for it comes August.
One hopes he makes it but it seems a potential opportunity like that ought to have been approached with a little more deliberate strategizing.
He might have stayed in school
I saw him play at Wake this past year…
ATT YD AVG LNG TD
10/3 @Wake Forest L 30-24 10 42 4.2 23 0
REC YD AVG LNG TD
1 5 5.0 5 1
Can’t say he really lit up the field.. but good for 11 points on FF
I would suggest
The youtube video above to see if he’s fully recovered. Not too shabby.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:45 PM MDT up reply actions
It's easy to be a naysayer
Physically:
He ran pretty well this past year at 25, and if he’s putting up 40 times like he did then I’d say he’s doing alright. As far as his recovery goes, he was running pretty well this year, and by the end of the year he looked just as good as he had before he got hurt.
Mentally:
You may be making fun of Parks and Rec, but he graduated in 4.5 years while playing football for a BCS school. Before you start calling a guy dumb make sure you get your facts right… (And he got the tough yards when it counted even if he didn’t fill up the stat sheet).
by hai17 on May 10, 2010 8:03 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well done.
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by Tempestuous Binary on May 11, 2010 4:16 AM MDT up reply actions
Great points
So I have to ask…Are you a Philip Rivers fan?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 6:57 AM MDT up reply actions
I was in college...
And I would be if he got traded to an NFC Team, but currently I can’t stand him. I don’t enjoy rooting against him like most other Broncos fans might, but it pains me to see people wearing his jersey at NC State games and if the Chargers were to go 0-16 it wouldn’t bother me a bit. I watched every snap of his in college – and about 60-70% in person – but I just can’t root for San Diego…
Here are some facts for you Hai 17
After all the hard work and rehab Baker put in to make a successful return, some may think that the risk of another injury was a prominent reason for his departure. While Baker acknowledges that may have been part of his decision, that was not the main factor.
He obviously thinks he will be fine but unlike you Hai 17, he does harbor concerns.
I think that what I do at the combine and pro day will also help out a whole lot once they get their hands on me and see me in person doing all the drills that they want me to do and see that I can do them well, I think my draft stock will rise a lot," Baker said
Sadly, he was not invited to the combine and thus his draft status did not rise.
"I expect to be drafted. Definitely," Baker said. "I went on visits to the San Diego Chargers and Tennessee Titans. They both liked me a lot. I’ve been getting a lot of calls from other teams, too. You just never know with the draft."
Obviously the guy came out of school because he is delusional. Why is he delusional? According to him, the NFL had told him he likely would be drafted. Hearing that, his coach supported his decision to enter the draft.
I did indeed get one fact wrong though: Apparently Baker DID earn his degree, so if the football thing doesn’t work out, he can probably get a municipal job after all spreading manure and watering lawns in a park somewhere.
Or...
Maybe he could administer athletics programs for youth sports leagues, or help run local parks, etc. You sure as hell do not need a college degree to spread manure. I have no issue with your stance that coming out early was a mistake – that is your opinion. My issue is with you insulting his intelligence and the quality of his education.
I’m not making a claim that PRT is incredibly strenuous, but the course work is at least equivalent to the standard “interdisciplinary studies” majors that most athletes tend to have, and it has a heck of a lot more real world application. But it’s alright… Not everyone can be as smart as you warmick, so enjoy laughing at his misfortune if TB doesn’t end up making the team.
I don’t know about his intelligence
I do know that he makes poor decisions. Going for a degree merely (I suspect) because it is easy, is one. Another (admittedly gauged with the benefit of hindsight) is proclaiming ready for the draft before the draft was ready for him. The NFL, which informed him "in confidentiality" (–stating their assessment was not to be shared with anyone) that he would be drafted, and a coach too awed by the NFL to think for himself, certainly share the blame.
One aspect in which you could not be more wrong: I absolutely would find nothing to laugh about if the perhaps only aspiration a young man has ever had are dashed. The only solace, if you will, is the knowledge that if one does not make it, someone else will. In the big compassion picture of things, I don’t suppose it really matters which 53 men fulfill their dreams –unless, of course, you should take a personal interest in anyone in particular
warmick
I dont know if you seen this article on Baker yet but you should read it real fast http://ncstate.rivals.com/content.asp?cid=1036227 . the main thing i wanted you to keep in mind that he did receive a degree “to fall back on”, that was one of the reasons why he felt like it was time to try the pros. With the others being that he didnt want to risk an injury b/c they do happen, and b/c he received the feedback from his coaches and other parties involved.
But i do agree with you that comming into the nfl as an UDFA his odds of making it is rare, but the more i read this article i thought back to TD and how he was picked 6th rd 25th pick 196overall, i’m reminded that his talent was almost overlooked and when i thought about how P. Holmes of KC was a UDFA for the Ravens, i’m reminded that there is a chance and as a broncos fan i realllllllllyyyyyyyy hope that hes one of those rare exceptions.
brolocks21
Thanks Jacob Day
Nothing I would love more than next year someone copying the post of mine you responded to and adding a comment like: “Shows how much YOU know you dumb twit.” :o)
Nice write up, Sayre
We should take a cue from Rod Smith’s example:
Undrafted free agent.
1st season: 6 catches, 152 yards, 1 touchdown
2nd season: 16 catches, 237 yards, 2 touchdowns
3rd season: 70 catches, 1180 yards, 12 touchdowns.
Our new guys deserve to get to their third season before we make any definitive judgments on them.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Thanks Brian
And a good point there on Smith. Wasn’t his first TD to win a game? If that’s not an omen…
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Against the Redskins
I’ll never forget it. Long pass, basically a jump ball, from good ole #7 after he avoided trouble
The QB position is set. Oops....maybe not!!
by broncofaninIL on May 10, 2010 9:11 PM MDT up reply actions
wow do i miss those days
when we were just getting to discover #80 and #87, let alone #30. Destiny was in the air. And Rod caught it.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 11, 2010 5:09 PM MDT up reply actions
He caught it over Darrell Green no less
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
nice
Thanks for the background. I look forward to following him! Sure is nice to have a roster full of guys we can really cheer for these days!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
Absolutely!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:46 PM MDT up reply actions
good write up
after I read about him once we signed him, I thought he could be a keeper. He ran 4.4 before he got, I read somewhere. He’s got guts and toughness we could use.
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by Orange and Blue on May 10, 2010 4:42 PM MDT reply actions
before he got hurt
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin
by Orange and Blue on May 10, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions
Correct
In high school, he ran a 4.45 but he also weighed in at 205 at the Nike camp according to Scout.com
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks
I have a bit of trouble with titles…do you have an alternative suggestion?
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Great potential lets hope he is healthy & recovered.
Sayre; As always a great article thanks for keeping us up to date…
oc60
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Concentrate the mind on the present moment."
Thanks oc60
I appreciate it!
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Sayre...hes my dark horse pick to make the 53!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Agreed!
I think he has more than a real shot at it.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:53 PM MDT up reply actions
low pads, low pads!
i get excited when i see a college running back NOT running straight up. it’s seems to be a dying art to keep your dang shoulders low and run forward. hm… maybe the kid has a shot…
Shonn Greene
That’s who he reminds me of. He runs like a bowling ball going down the field. Runs people over, and he’s so low to the ground that with his size, you can’t simply arm tackle him.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:54 PM MDT up reply actions
You do find the gems young man. Very nice spot on points.
I also saw Chris Marinelli who was on many mocks in the 4-5 rounds. Do you think a PS for a year?
I also noticed Alric Arnett was on the Cowboys big board at about the 3rd round.
Seems like Russell and scouts found some nice CFA’s.
Thanks Dan
Marinelli is definitely a PS candidate, as well as Arnett. In fact, Marinelli may crack the final 53 depending on how injuries shake out. Arnett didn’t come from a very prolific passing offense, but he has some skills.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 10, 2010 7:55 PM MDT up reply actions
Great work!
Reminded me of M. Jones-Drew. In the highlight video he wasn’t afraid to go right up the middle. He broke a lot of tackles. It’s hard not to root for the guy with that injury history.
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Thanks!
MJD, Ray Rice, and Shonn Greene have all been tossed around on here as comparisons. I appreciate the read!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions
If this guy is 90 % of what he is in these highlights
we got it made!!! Hope to he!! that those knee injuries are healed!!!.
I think he looks fantastic
Some on this thread have suggested that all of those runs are pre-injury, but I don’t know how accurate that is. I’d be willing to bet, given that his best statistical season came this past year, that he has some nice highlights from this past season.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:33 AM MDT up reply actions
Excellent read, thanks Sayre
Seems to me we had a poll not too long ago about which UFA will make the team, and I voted Toney. Love his quick feet and toughness, and I’m looking forward to him breaking a few long ones for us. He’s got a great attitude to be successful too, and I fully expect he will. Man, he’s impressive on that film you posted.
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Good vote!
That highlight tape is fantastic. Like I’ve said all over this thread, it reminds me a lot of Shonn Greene’s junior highlight tape.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Good read, thanks!
I like this back. After watching the tape I was even more impressed. Imagine what he could do with some real blocking! He had a few good blocks but a lot of the time he was way ahead of the line.
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Good point
I think our revamped offensive line could open some huge holes for our backs this year, and this kid appears to be a steal!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:35 AM MDT up reply actions
When I first watch the highlight video
I thought it was film of him in highschool!
When he trucked that dude, holy mf win! You rarely see a straight truck like that even in college football anymore
by Warren Todd on May 10, 2010 8:47 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
Tebow did pretty frequently as well, lucky us :-)
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by manbearpig5000000 on May 11, 2010 12:35 AM MDT up reply actions
No kidding
That highlight tape is beastly! I hope he brings some of that power to this level. It’s hard to tackle a bowling ball on a mission :)
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:36 AM MDT up reply actions
He's fun to watch
I like his vision and balance. The guy’s not afraid to truck people over or run around them. He appears to have decent hands too. Hopefully he’s a good blocker, too.
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He seems to have all the tools necessary to succeed. Great speed for his size, and someone on this thread pointed out his prowess running out of the shotgun, which is also a huge plus for us.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
God Lord, the kids made of grease! Reminds me of LT.
by Bentley.Ketchum on May 10, 2010 9:21 PM MDT reply actions
Some lofty comparisons bein thrown around here
MJD, Rice, Greene, now LT? I like this guy’s chances!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Like his moves
Especially the one where he jukes two defenders at the goal line. Power and nimbleness is a good thing.
One thing bugged me though: who taught him that clutching his groin was an acceptable way to celebrate a good run? He’d better forget that little taunt move real fast, or someone like Ray Lewis will rearrange the kid such that the docs have to insert the feeding tube through one of the little ventilation hole on top of his helmet.
Haha, good call
I didn’t notice that until you said something. Maybe he had a wedgie
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for helping us
get to know Baker, Sayre. Nice write up.
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Thanks Kirk
Always appreciate the comments!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:38 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks!
He’s a pretty cool story. Glad he’s on our side!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:39 AM MDT up reply actions
that first run in the video
impressive to say the least. the tackler just like… flew into him and bounced right off. dude didn’t even flinch. he must’ve been like, “HERE I COME! IM GONNA BRING YA DOWN!!” 5 seconds later on the ground, “….. what just happened?”
by RockyMountainHigh on May 11, 2010 1:46 AM MDT reply actions
Lol
Just moving people out of his way! I’m surprised by one thing that really stood out to me is that NCState didn’t utilize him a ton in the red zone, perhaps they weren’t there frequently, but a lot of that highlight tape happens on the other 80 yards of the field
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions
I hope he gets healthy
That dude is an awesome runner.
Lacks top end speed, but he is shifty. He reads the blocks and holes well. Gets to top speed in what seems like one step. Lowers his shoulder into defenders and bounces off them. Runs through arm tackles. Makes cuts so well you can’t even tell he did it. I can’t wait to see this kid healthy.
I like the play where he high points the ball showing some receiving skills.
Good find Sayre.
Thanks
Though I might refute that he lacks top end speed. Reportedly, he ran a 4.53 at his NCState pro day, which is faster than any other 235 pound back I can think of off the top of my head.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:41 AM MDT up reply actions
How much of the video is from his first two years in college
before he blew out his knee. I love the fact that the Broncos seem to have found a bowling ball of a RB, but I would like to see highlights of him from last year alone to get an idea of how he compares to what he once was.
That's something I don't know
Considering his best statistical season came in 2009, I’m sure he has quite a few good runs. Career high in yards, total TD’s, yards per carry, etc.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:42 AM MDT up reply actions
I looked at their schedule from the three years when Baker played
It is tough though since there are multiple in-conference opponents that Baker faced multiple times (e.g. Clemson) so it is difficult to distinguish 05, 06 and 09 runs. I really wish that they had put the opponent and the year on video clips to give us a frame of reference.
by DE_BroncoFan on May 11, 2010 12:06 PM MDT up reply actions
Look at the QB
If it’s number 16 then it’s from this previous year. Prior to that would have been number 7 or others.
after rewatching the highlight video
it appears that the first three minutes of highlights are from 2009 (I can’t tell on the first run, since the QB is only in the pic for a very short time, but it appears to be against Murray St. in 09)
by DE_BroncoFan on May 12, 2010 10:39 AM MDT up reply actions
A quick look at some of his college numbers
2 – 100 yd rushing games (09 vs FSU, 19 car 112 yds and 06 vs CU 34 car 174 yd)
4.5 ypc average, 2045 career yds, 17 career TDs
64 career receptions, 676 career receiving yds
Given those stats and the fact that he missed two whole years (minus one game) with his injury, I can see why he went undrafted.
In his training vid, he puts up 225 lbs 27 times, and 315 lbs 6 times on the bench
Like the rest of the Koolaiders, I’m hoping we found another TD in this kid.
His change of pace is what impresses me
He’s deceptive and changes direction on a dime. Good looking runner.
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by orange&blue_aussie on May 11, 2010 6:50 AM MDT reply actions
Very much so
The injuries might be able to be attributed to that though, perhaps too much momentum shifting in one direction lol
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Wow! Looks like a pinball out there!
Bouncing off defenders for big gains….sounds like he’s one of those guys with a chip on his shoulder and something to prove! Can’t hurt to see if that skill can still translate.
Thanks for the info.
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I can’t wait to see this kid in pads. I want him to put on a show in the pre-season. If he can stay healthy, he should be good for 5-10 carries a game.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
I agree!
Thanks!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:44 AM MDT up reply actions
The video is impressive, BUT
This was before total knee reconstruction that forced him to miss 2 years of football. Article states that when he returned there was a noticeable decline in speed/burst and dexterity. Of course, after a rebuilt knee, what else would you expect. Could he be a “gem”…of course. I have a feeling he’s more like a Ryan Torain. A player just waiting to have that repaired knee just collapse…but I loved how Torain could move so smoothly, let’s hope this kid is the Butch Cassidy to our Sundance Kid?
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How can you be sure?
That is the vid that was submitted to the NFL advisory committee, or so it says. Not saying the kid is perfect, but he played the best season of his career AFTER his injury, so there’s gotta be something good coming from that season in terms of big plays. Also, his speed didn’t really decrease after the injury. Timed reportedly at 4.53 at his pro day, and ran a 4.45 in high school when he weighed 205 as opposed to 235 now.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 9:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Walter?
he has a walter payton style to him
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by David G. Little on May 11, 2010 10:20 AM MDT reply actions
Add him to the list
Guys are saying he reminds them of Ray Rice, MJD, Shonn Greene, LT, now Walter Payton. Crazy! This kid might be more hyped than Ryan Torain by the end of training camp!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
This could be an awesome addition
Thanks for the profile Sayre.
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
Thanks for the comment Brian!
And I agree, he looks like a solid player!
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:31 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks Sayre, always great info from you Sir!
Shonn Greene is a very good "running"back who happened to be running behind a great line last year. The reason that he wasn’t drafted higher is that he can’t catch a cold. I think that is why Moreno was picked higher and I think that is why he has a chance to be a more productive player that Greene as their careers play out. All that remains to be seen but if Moreno gets a solid line in front of him I like his chances. It sure does look like Baker can run and catch. I also hope ha makes the team. Maybe Baker is why they cut that other RB last week.
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I figure Brown was cut because the coaches think that they have enough depth
with the remaining backs. Brown was fairly polished coming out of OU (although not much of a receiver – averaging ~1 catch per game). Baker offers something that none of the other guys on the roster have – size and speed. DB.com has him listed at 225 lbs, but his video has him at 235 and seeing him in the weight room I don’t doubt that number. That gives him 10 lbs on Buck who is the next biggest RB
35 Ball, Lance RB 5’ 9" 200 24 2nd Maryland FA-‘09
40 Baker, Toney RB 5’ 10" 225 23 R North Carolina State CFA- ‘10
26 Arrington, J.J. RB 5’ 9" 212 27 5th California UFA (Arz)-‘09
28 Buckhalter, Correll RB 6’ 0" 223 31 10th Nebraska UFA- ‘09
27 Moreno, Knowshon RB 5’ 11" 210 22 2nd Georgia D1a- ‘09
29 Hall, Bruce RB 5’ 11" 205 24 2nd Mississippi FA-’10
Does anyone know how many RBs we carried on the active roster last year? 4? That would mean that Hall, Ball and Baker are fighting for that last spot. I wouldn’t be surprised at all for Baker to end up on the PS.
by DE_BroncoFan on May 11, 2010 12:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Depends if you count Larsen
Last year we carried Knowshon, Buck, Hillis, Jordan, and Larsen. I’d say you can expect us to carry four.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:30 PM MDT up reply actions
Could be
Thanks for the read, I appreciate it!
I think our RB competition will be solid this year, but when I look at it on paper, there’s no question as to the four backs I would keep, which would be Knowshon, Buckhalter, Arrington, and Baker.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
I remember thinking
That this guy was way better than Dre Brown, then he disappeared after the injury. Good luck to him
IMO
Quite a comeback following his injury, actually
He wasn’t really supposed to play much if at all again, certainly not back to his old form, but he did that and then some, putting together the best season of his collegiate career last season.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:33 PM MDT up reply actions
Sure thing, bfree
I’m not sure, but quite severe to have missed nearly two full seasons.
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by Sayre Bedinger on May 11, 2010 1:34 PM MDT up reply actions
I HATE Brian Griese
This article got me thinking about TD and how he got hurt. For those of you who dont know how he got hurt, it was in 1999, Davis tore the anterior cruciate ligament and medial collateral ligament of his right knee while making a tackle on an interception thrown by Brian Griese against the New York Jets, during the fourth game of the season. This injury kept him out for the remainder of the year. But if you seen that interception you knew that Griese through it right to the defender and being the Great football player that TD was he couldn’t just let the play go!
Now I know acouple ppl out there are saying that injuries always happen in football, and that is true but it doesnt stop me from HATING the man that ended the career of the GREATEST RUNNING BACK IN BRONCOS HISTORY!!!
Sorry just venting ppl thanks for listening/reading! haha
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