The Hype Machine: Cutler vs Tebow
Now we all know the hype surrounding Tebow, and maybe a few remember some surrounding Cutler as well. After awhile, things started to sound familiar and I wondered why, then I realized we had done this before. So while this is the second article I've done about the hype surrounding Tebow, this might have a bit fewer facts and more quotations from you, the members of MHR. This is just a collection of quotes from different members of MHR on Tebow and Cutler, compare and contrast at your leisure.
Cutler:
John Bena:
There is no doubting the physical tools Cutler possesses. Like Elway, Cutler possess a rocket arm, which people need to look no further than the 70-yard, in the air, TD pass to Javon Walker to experience firsthand what this kid can do. Shanny is now able to dust off sections of his playbook that were unusable under the Brian Griese/Jake Plummer years. I piscture in my mind an old Wizard who goes to his bookshelf to get an old book of spells, drops it on the table, blows a thick layer of dust off and prepares to recast spell unseen for years.
While his physical tools are enough to excite me, it's the non-physical aspect of Cutler that really has me pumped. The Broncos have had physically gifted quarterbacks under center since the retirement of John Elway. Brian Griese and Jake Plummer both had the physical ability to be solid NFL quarterbacks. What they lacked, and John Elway had in gallons, is that fire to be great, that desire to be the best, to do whatever it takes to win. You got the feeling that Griese and Plummer were football players but didn't enjoy playing football. Jay Cutler loves football. He wants to be great, wants to win, and is willing to do whatever it takes.
The future in Denver is now, with Jay Cutler quickly becoming the stud Quarterback we all envisioned when he was drafted in the 2006 draft. Now, we aren't alone in our bright outlook on Denver's young signal-caller. ESPN followed up their ranking of the Top-64 quarterbacks in the NFL with a stock report of all the young QB's. After finishing #11 overall, the anonymous team scouts, general managers and pro personnel people that ESPN surveyed all agreed -- Jay Cutler has more potential than anyone.
Perhaps most impressive is where Cutler ranks in yards per attempt this year --
- Tom Brady - 8.60
- Tony Romo - 8.58
- Brett Favre - 7.96
- Jay Cutler - 7.92
- Peyton Manning - 7.90
Now, I'm not saying he's in that ballpark yet, but he's definitely in the same League. Just another example of why it is a great time to look ahead to the future with #6, instead of the past with #7.
DjBroncos
A good Offense will help the Defense and the Special Teams to play better (It's all down to TOP and Field Position!). And this will automatically lead to an Offense being able to compete with the Chargers! And to beat them in their house with 9+ points ;)
In my opinion we've got a chance to get back to the top in our division!
ohnokoolaid
it's seems like Cutler has been more comfortable in the system than Plummer.
Could it be possible that the offense has been tailored more around Cutler's strengths, which is throwing from the pocket? We may never know, but when you make an investment in a young player like Cutler, you probably would want to take every action to insure success, which may mean having the incumbent revert to an offense he's less suited for.
Brady: 63.9 18 12 86.5
Brees: 60.8 17 16 76.9
Favre: 64.1 18 13 85.3
Hasselback: 54.8 7 8 70.9
Manning: 56.7 26 28 71.2
McNabb: 58.0 21 13 77.8
Palmer: 60.9 18 18 77.8Cutler: 64.5 4 6 79.5
Those top seven are generally considered to be the best QB's in the game today. Those numbers are the completion percentage, touchdowns, interceptions, and QB rating for their first full season as a starter (fewest starts being 12).
In Cutler's first full season, his QB rating would rest third on this list, and his C% is the best. That he's thrown more INT's than TD's isn't so concerning when you look at the numbers of the rest of the guys. In actuallity, Cutler is RIGHT IN LINE with the standard rate of development in quarterbacks, and these are just the great ones listed!
Attacking Cutler shows a lack of insight.
TommyTSlice
For all their differences, most of the NFL's promising young quarterbacks share a striking similarity in the eyes of scouts and coaches: They can't touch Denver's Jay Cutler for sheer potential.
Asked to evaluate 11 young starters, experts singled out Cutler as the quarterback most likely to reach the elite status currently shared by Tom Brady and Peyton Manning.
"The kid in Denver, to me he is the future of this league," an AFC pro scout said.
"I would jump on that boat," an NFC personnel director said. "He isn't quite there, but you see those flashes of a guy who, once he has the whole playbook in his mind and he's made all the mistakes he needs to make in learning it, man, he's going to be a special player."
That left 11 young quarterbacks standing: Roethlisberger, Romo, Palmer, Schaub, Garrard, Cleveland's Derek Anderson, San Diego's Philip Rivers, Tennessee's Vince Young, Washington's Jason Campbell, the New York Giants' Eli Manning and, of course, Cutler.
"I love him," the AFC scout said. "He's athletic, poised, smart, accurate -- and there was just something about that kid coming out, the way he was wired."
"He has an unbelievable career ahead of him," the NFC personnel director said. "He is Romo [in terms of confidence] with the physical tools to match. He's fun to watch because he's kind of like the kid who plays quarterback down at the playground. 'Let's just go play.'"
"He has a cannon of an arm, obviously, and when he's in the pocket, he has the arm strength to make all the throws," an NFC pro scout said. "Throw in the fact that he can move around and buy additional time, and he's got a pretty impressive arsenal in terms of ability and arm strength and feet."
Trinidad Jack
You don't need a very well trained eye to see this kid has "Future Super Star" written all over him. That is not a guess; that's a fact. He's got the physical tools. He's got the mental tools. He's got the heart.
And as far as I can tell, there is only one thing that can stop Cutler from reaching his full potential. That would be piling some many impossible expectations on him that you break him. Honestly, I don't see that happening. I think Cutler is that good. But I remember another dark time (or two) in one Hall of Fame quarterback's career when we came close to doing that to him.
Tebow:
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BroncoTiLLIDie
Tebow is a winner. He did whatever was necessary to win. He could be the best college player in the history of the NCAA. That is saying something.
Tebow Time = Championship Time. Ready for the future. Let’s go baby!
oc60
I too look forward to the possibility of another QB with the "IT" factor and it’s great to hear Elway giving his endorsment. I do feel for Orton who has without doubt been a great team leader but I feel that Tebow will eventually be the Franchise QB who will leads us to the big party and another Lombardi Trophy.
It’s the bottom line baby…bottom line is that Tebow is best for Denver Franchise. Since Elway, TD, and Sharpe retired from the Broncos the Franchise value has dropped out of the top 15 a once top 5 Franchise. Tebow will increase the value and has already just with his jersey #15 much more to come with Tebow as the face of the Franchise.
We will soon find out. One thing for sure if the Broncos feel Tebow is the answer he will get his opportunity sooner rather than later. My money is on Tebow starting by mid-season. Thats what’s best for the Franchise.
For the first time since Elway & Shanahan brought us winning culture we now have Tebow & McDaniels who could very well replicate the same results.
Amazing how Elway & Mike only had 1 losing season over the course of 14 years when Shanahan was HC. I think having that comaradrie goes a long way and I can see Tebow & McD having the same chemistry / relationship. With chemistry you don’t always have to have the best talent to win.
Boydy2669
Tebow is a way better ATHLETE and FOOTBALL player than Sanchez or Bradford...McD sees a minor fix in Tebow that makes him a FAR superior player to those guys
McDaniels, Tebow and the "It" Factor
I actually think he is a one of kid player...Montana was, so was Elway, so is Manning....you cant compare any QB's to these guys....Tebow is in the same boat!
Here’s the thing….no one compares to Tebow….he is a one of a kind. I think we need to throw out ALL the history of what happened with other QB’s…it bears ABSOLUTELY no relevance to Tebow.
The kid REFUSES to lose and is SINGULARLY driven to be the best ever…..I am probably one on here that values INTANGIBLES and a players will above anything else…plus this guy is a great player and athlete…..
9798
Sure, he has the intangibles. He has the "it" factor. He has the Heisman. He has the championships. He has the records. He has the wins. He has the size. He can score with his arms. He can score with his legs. He comes with his own fan base. He has the intelligence to show everyone that he is willing to change at the next level. In fact, he practically willed himself into the first round of the 2010 NFL Draft. He apparently has the support of John Elway. He seems to have the favor of God in Jesus Christ (which is very important, BTW).
Bronco_Fan_Tom
I, to have watched Tim throughout his amazing college carrer. I, too feel Tim has the physical and, dare I say, spiritual tools necessary to be a very special player in this league.
Here’s to Tim Tebow…the next Elway?
swg777
Tebow’s college experience/resume is probably unrivaled in the history of college football. Has there ever been a college QB with a greater combination of the following:
1. Senior QB
2. Heisman
3. World Traveler
4. Maturity
5. Passion
6. Leadership
7. On Paper Performance
8. Already Handled Celebrity Status Successfully
9. Media Friendly
10. Football IQ
Dale Swahn
The whole article
West Coast
Tebow will be starting by the end of the year. Mark my words!!!
Conclusion:
Wow those seem a lot a like, I wonder why, oh I know, we fans can't just be patient to see how a player will work out before labeling him. Cutler was our last savior, but look at him now, any good joke here at MHR usually ends making fun of him. Both have the "It" factor attributed to them, either from McD or the NFL in general. Both are extremely gifted, and both are extremely hyped. Now I have no idea how Tebow will do in the NFL, I like him, what he brings to the team, and hope he succeeds, but I just think we might be getting out of hand.
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Thanks, Max
That was a lot of work. I’m not a big Tebow fan, for all the reasons, but I do worry about this young man. Heaping a huge amount of expectations on him is a heavy load. People need to stop with their sweaty fandom and let the future play out.
All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.
William Blake
Good job
Very good post which took a lot of effort. Nice!! Im glad I made the cut on your last statement before the conclusion………Awesome
Didn't vote.
I would vote for judging him after he has played MORE than 1 game, regardless of which year. I don’t think that stating that is attacking his hype- he still may be that good.
I know
I was making the point I’d rather see him play before I judge him, one game is better then none. I won’t make a final statement on him for a few more seasons.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
One big difference
Cutler has proven himself to be a petulant child, while Tebow has shown nothing but maturity. Also, Cutler had good college stats, but never was a factor in the SEC. Tebow did nothing but win in college. So yes, the hype is similar, but comparing the players is like comparing apples to oranges.
by the_prodigal_fan on May 11, 2010 7:07 PM MDT reply actions
I wasn't comparing the players
just the hype, and before he draft, few knew of Cutler’s attitude issues. Many thought him to be a hard and dedicated player, especially since his diabetes came up.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
He is
a hard and dedicated player. We can’t take that from him. But he is also a selfish jerk who throws teamates under the bus. And he will throw the ball to the other team to avoid a sack, then blame the receiver. lol. The things that the hype stated, but the jerk factor was much for of a factor than I would have ever thought it could be.
Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.
by Welcome2Boise on May 11, 2010 9:35 PM MDT up reply actions
Um that's now
This whole post was about the past, no one would have said those things back then. He wasn’t seen as a jerk then.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 11, 2010 10:00 PM MDT up reply actions
He was seen as a jerk imo....
We protected him because he was our QB. The pouting on the bench and calling out teammates bothered me, but as a fan I still backed him. I wasn’t sad to see him go, however, and am glad we have two QBs that I feel more comfortable teaching my kids to cheer for.
He was seen as a jerk before he started?
I can’t find that anywhere.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 12, 2010 11:43 AM MDT up reply actions
Shame on you
Max for pricking the perception bubble that has been created by the media and many of the loyal fans at MHR.
It’s a great deal for Bowlen, jersey sales are off the charts and the team will make millions before TT takes a snap . A great business decision to draft the QB out of Florida.
Speaking of the Gators and their QBs who have played in the NFL….Jesse Palmer. John Reaves. Kay Stephenson. Doug Johnson. Danny Wuerffel. Rex Grossman. Shane Matthews.
Rec’d!
by rocko1 on May 11, 2010 7:15 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
What are the records....
for QB’s out of other schools coming to the NFL and being successful? I’m not saying Florida hasn’t had a lot of over-hyped, under-performing QB’s at the NFL level over the years. But is that a realistic representation compared to most other major schools or any reason to think Tebow can’t be the first? I don’t know without doing the research (which I might do), but my initial thought is that it’s not and no.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying either way whether Tebow will be successful or not. Obviously as a Broncos fan I hope he is. But I am saying that we could just as easily go back through the years of most major schools and their QB’s and find that most were not successful. Or even that none were until that “first” guy came along and proved otherwise.
Still, regardless of how Tebow’s career turns out, I agree that from a purely business point of view (which I don’t believe had any baring on why we drafted him), that it was a fantastic move.
I am still pulling for Jesse Palmer, though, to rejoin the league, light it up and prove all the doubters wrong. Does anyone have his number at ESPN? ;-)
"Reality continues to ruin my life." - Calvin (Calvin & Hobbes)
by RockyMtnHigh on May 12, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions
Well other then Tebow
Quarterbacks drafted out of Florida include:
Rex Grossman
Jesse Palmer
Danny Wuerffel
Kevin Bell
None of those guys are starting now, despite being very good, if not fantastic in college. But like Culpepper with Moss, when you are surrounded by talent, then lose those great players around you, it makes it a lot harder, and can really show who you are. For Tebow, it may show he is just as good.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 13, 2010 12:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Uh oh
someone blew the tracks
Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.
by Welcome2Boise on May 11, 2010 9:36 PM MDT up reply actions
That's COLD, max.
i didn’t know our entire pasts could be dredged up at MHR. kripes!
actually though, i kind of appreciate the work in that it shows how radically things change on a fansite once a player is no longer on the team. y’know, suddenly cutler is satan, marshall is satan jr., and gasp (who knew!) schefler and hillis, BOTH demonic spawns as well!
personally, i’ve never wavered on anything here. …. just um, don’t go back and check please. cool? cool.
Haha I value accountability
So it was kind of fun to go back to articles in 2006 and 2007. Wasn’t as much traffic as there is now.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
you ain't kidding
its a full time job keeping up with all the content and comments. It used to be a way to pass the time while my wife was making dinner….
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 14, 2010 12:04 AM MDT up reply actions
Haha times change
I noticed most posts had hardly any comments, and almost every article was written by John.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 14, 2010 12:47 AM MDT up reply actions
Hillis is not demon spawn!!!
not as good as we hoped he was either though…but I am still a Hillis fan. love his style
Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.
by Welcome2Boise on May 11, 2010 9:37 PM MDT up reply actions
Great job!
Your next assignment is Woody Paige material.
Umm...OK.....not sure what to say....
Hiding to nothing…anything that any of the guys says you have mentioned just paints them into the corner…and like is done with the MSM, plenty of these posts are taken out of context…but just me saying that paints me as a whiner……interesting….I guess!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
no worries, boydy...
i already had you as a whiner.
by oxmouth on May 11, 2010 7:42 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks Ox!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Your best quotes
are from the game day threads! lol
I think you should have used
the pouty-faced versions of cutler for your picture. I used to hate those pics when he was a Bronco. Now I can’t get enough of them. They remind me what we ain’t missing with out old poopy pants.
Poopy Pants
he he he he
So I see you rolled your way into the semis?
by OutOfYourElement on May 11, 2010 8:24 PM MDT up reply actions
See what I mean
He used to viewed as our future now he’s just made fun of, times change.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
agreed
hopefully for the better though
Sometimes men wear stretchy pants...just for fun.
by Welcome2Boise on May 11, 2010 9:38 PM MDT up reply actions
I guess I wonder where the problem is in that....
When Jay was our QB, I backed him 99% (couldn’t stand the pouting enough to be 100%, but I was definitely behind him). When he turns his back on teammates, FANS, coaches, and won’t return the owner’s (who’d given him the keys to the franchise) calls for 2 weeks he became the bad guy. I love seeing him struggle in Chi, and behind Rivers, he’s my 2nd most hated player in the league. The thing is, it’s not about the players, but the team.
If the Hutt was our best option at QB I would back him 100% until a better option presented itself (Might have to keep a few barf-bags on hand, but he’d be my QB)
Agreed
Most if not all of my dislike for Cutler arose after the 08 season was over. The not returning phone calls (and lying about it); dissing Bronco fans and his former teammates; and his pouting has gotten worse.
I was sorry to see him go, but I’m glad he’s gone.
All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.
William Blake
I suppose this isn't meant to bash player support
It is meant to attack the over hyping of a player. There is a difference.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 12, 2010 11:44 AM MDT up reply actions
Once again....these comments that you used are 'hand picked" (and I know how much you love that phrase)....
I know the post is about over hyping players..very valid…..I just dont know if picking quotes from members here is the best way to go. Lots of these comments were from a thread where discussion was, or could have been, on a totally different slant.
Different if it was an article hyping a player…fine….but posting comments from threads from members paints a picture of those members, and of those comments, that are not entirely accurate.
Just wanted to put that out there…I personally was not stoked how it was done, but I will get it over it…..and I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was not meant the way that it came across.
I must be getting old.
Peace.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I did everything I could to keep them in context
By either including more of the quote as well as including the location. If someone feels I took their comment out of context, that’s okay, let me know and I can remove it. But on almost all these quotes, I picked only ones that would have been the same no matter how you read it, it says the same thing in context as well as a stand alone comment. There were a number of quotes I didn’t use because you needed the context to understand, but the ones I posted here I tried to choose ones that it wouldn’t have mattered. I also chose not to include ones that make the person sound silly or stupid, trying to stay with ones that either presented facts and opinions on Tebow and Cutler in a responible light, or where the person tells me to mark their words or something along those lines. So far no one has contacted me to remove their comments, but I will gladly do that if they are bothered by it. Thanks for your comment though, with my posts I general don’t do these type of things, but with this one, it was meant to make people feel a bit uncomfortable. I know we don’t always agree boydy, but I do appreciate you thoughts.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
All cool man...thanks for the post mate.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Me Too!!!
- Whatever "it" was that got you to where you are today, "it" will certainly not be enough to enable you to stay there going forward! -
by BroncoSense72 on May 13, 2010 9:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Interesting stuff here max, good read, rec'd
I never did quite get all the Culter hype years back. Physically talented yes, but he didn’t have the it factor then and still doesn’t. He couldn’t even will his Vandy team to a bowl game, never had a winning season, just gaudy numbers.
Now with Tebow I see the IT, he has a drive that is almost hard to explain or understand. But, the hype is out of control IMO. He needs to earn it on the field first and we aren’t there yet.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
See when you say you see the IT
Many said the same thing about Cutler, maybe not you, but a lot of people did. But I agree, he needs to earn his hype.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
Totally agree with, alot of people said the same things about Cutler,
I wasn’t blogging back then, didn’t have time really, but, when they annouced the Bronocs pick at #11 in 2006 the first thing that popped up in my head was really a QB you got to be kidding me. But, then again I was a huge Plummer fan.
I didn’t really think McDaniels would go for a QB earlly in the draft this year either, I like KO, but I do get why he went after Tebow.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Ok...
Nothing anyone really said about Cutler was wrong. Cutler is an amazingly gifted QB. He could be right up there with the greats, which is exactly what I just read. Now if Cutler would get out of his own damn way, he might be able to achieve it, alas, I believe he won’t.
It takes more than just being an amazing athlete to excel, You have to have the drive and determination to be the best. I think in Cutlers mind he was already the best, which has even more negative effects…
Leading by example. If your “Leader” acts like that, how would you act?
If your a football player… What would be the outcome of your playing between the different scenerios:
A: Your QB is right in the mix with you all, rallying the troops, saying we’re going to win, etc.
B: You look over and see your QB on the far end of the bench, by himself, with a mixed expression of looking like he’s going to cry and desperation on his face.
Just a little food for thought.
Quit drinking the Kool-Aid and start drinking the good stuff, and everything is always alright.
by Chuck "DeadDrunk" Breedlove on May 11, 2010 8:10 PM MDT reply actions 5 recs
Chuck I think you hit the nail right on the head
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Very interesting kind of post
It is really read what several posters here have to say on Cutler and Tebow. I voted yes for the only fact that he hasn’t played yet and that is not a knock at all. He has all the intagibles that you are born with and just can’t teach. His drive to succeed in the NFL will allow him to improve on anything he needs and to improve on. His speeches when he was with the Gators just show me that he is the guy I want in the foxhole with me. I mean can you just see him getting his teammates jacked up for a game-winning drive.
Floyd Little: HOF Class of 2010.
2009 NBA Champions L.A Lakers
2009 NBA Finals MVP Kobe Bryant
Crazy
It’s just crazy how local sports fans will talk a player up because he’s on their team. It’s like these people are fans or something…
13-3 until we ain’t!
Quote me on this one:
Cutler is a piece of crap.
Tebow is not.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
Haha did you say that before Cutler came into the league
Is what counts. Hindsight is always perfect, anyone can say what you did, but to do it before hand, that’s harder.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 11, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Cutler talked me out of my undies and now I hate his guts.
Tebow is a virgin and will not get into my undies, I heart him.
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
by Tim Lynch on May 12, 2010 10:25 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Come on Tim
You know that you may have some feelings that make your wife nervous.
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
I can see the writing on the wall!
Cuz Max just showed us the wall. =)
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
Haha got to love accountability
I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.
by Topher Doll on May 11, 2010 10:36 PM MDT up reply actions
Good post
But I think it shows why I believe Broncos fans are the best. We root for the team and strictly the team, who is on it is great and everyone else just depends on level of respect, almost all other fanbases are stuck on individual player/coaches/themes while we Denver fans love our TEAM first. Again, good post man.
by Warren Todd on May 12, 2010 12:06 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
This....
Also, Cutler never won anything in college. That was a big knock, and it was definitely discussed. I was not an MHR member at the time, so I’m not sure about this site, but I know it was discussed in any other Bronco’s circle I was a part of.
There is no knock on Tebow about winning, or being a leader. Tebow may or may not be great, but he has all the potential in the world, and, I believe, the maturity to not get in his own way to keep it from blossoming.
i don't know...
i mean, comparing cutler’s win-ability at vandy to tebow’s at florida seems like a reach. as a matter of fact, the word out of vandy was that cutler was the reason they even stayed competitive while he was there.
yes.....but one of the biggest things that happened is that Cutler played for himself and not the team, and was not seen as a great team leader....
Some of that did carry over to Denver. I hope he sorts it in Chicago…kid is an athlete and can hurl the rock!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
you're joking...?
so elway is a loser because he led his team to a losing record at stanford? i don’t get it.
hate cutler all you want, i guess, but at least try to be halfway fair about it. apologies if you were kidding.
by oxmouth on May 12, 2010 4:43 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Elway showed in the NFL that he was a winner....
Elway’s record of 20-23 and Cutler’s 11-35 record are a bit different. Cutler not winning anything in college wasn’t a condemnation of him, but a question mark. I think there’s a big difference. If Elway hadn’t won anything after 4 years I would’ve questioned him as well, but while Cutler is through 4 years and still waiting for a winning record, Elway led us to Super Bowls in year 3 and 4, and I believe was league MVP in year 4. Cutler has yet to make the playoffs.
Elway showed he was able to lead a team and win games. Cutler has not. Cutler has HOF ability, and might pull it together, but I’m starting to question whether he will. Cutler lacks leadership, and unless he finds some way to change that I think he will be mired in mediocrity for most of his career.
What was a small question mark when he was drafted has turned into a much bigger question mark due to 4 seasons without a winning record.
i agree with most of that, kgrone.
i guess my main beef was the cutler/tebow thing. i can’t possibly see how even the greatest QB ever would be expected to win at Vanderbilt, whereas Florida…
while being probably one of the last people around here who thinks cutler will be a very good, even great QB, i wouldn’t call myself a fan of his. you’re right—the question marks are growing bigger around him. this coming season will be interesting to see if he’s maturing and willing to learn. if not… too bad, bears.
Thats one things that stands out to me
Is that it’s pretty easy to be a quarterback at Florida, compared to much harder schools like Purdue or Vanderbilt. Florida usually has good quarterbacks, but for a quarterback to win at a place other then there, is a sign of true skill. Winning when you aren’t surrounded by talent is much harder to do. This wasn’t an attack on Tebow, he is very skilled and a talented QB, but put him at Stanford or Vandy and it would have been much harder for him.
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I'll rec this.....
but the Cutler pic is sacreligious.
I’m taking a wait and see approach with Tebow. The hype is way over the top IMO.
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Since you are in charge of that sort of thing, guess I’d better fix it.
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by Topher Doll on May 12, 2010 11:46 AM MDT up reply actions
note to self
delete all old comments before max sees them… :)
I don’t remember what I was saying about Cutler way back when, I do remember doing a humorous post where my penguins discovered he was some sort of sugar-free god or something to that effect.
I remember thinking that Shanny had a real set of stones to trade up in the draft to get him, and as always with Shanny’s stones, that got me pretty excited.
I remember thinking that any day now he would get over the hump and be a winner. I remember thinking that the SD game where Royal scored the TD and 2-point conversion might just be that moment. I remember feeling uneasy about the Hochuli call in the grand scheme of Cutler being a winner.
Above all I remember learning to dislike him, slowly, over time. Things he said. Things he did. Some I defended, looked for some kind of rationalization. Some I just threw up my hands and thought ‘What is he thinking?’
I remember clearly being so disappointed with how he handled himself during the first shaky months of McDaniels’ arrival. We all were transitioning, and he was as poor of a representative for us and our team as was possible. I was glad when he left.
You’re right.
Things change.
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Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
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by Jeremy Bolander on May 14, 2010 12:17 AM MDT reply actions
Thanks for the honesty Jeremy
I would love to read that penguin post sometime.
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by Topher Doll on May 14, 2010 12:48 AM MDT up reply actions
I had to go find it
my MS Paint skilz are on display.
And Castigliano’s theorem is a real theorem. I should go put it in Brian’s thread.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 14, 2010 1:34 AM MDT up reply actions
Oh math on paint
Never seen that before, but you are the boss, so I trust you. But you are right, Brian’s recent post might be a better place to post it.
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Question....
Is there still a big contingency who pine for the Cutler / Marshall days to return? I’m not a Denver guy so I wouldn’t have any insight into that.
Not really
Most feel it is better that we’ve moved on. This post was mostly meant to look at the hype that surrounded both Tebow and Cutler when they arrived in Denver.
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1-1
tebow will start the 3rd week if we go 1-1 start.. mark my words
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