You're The Last In Line - The Myth of the "Tough" Schedule
"We'll know for the first time, if we're evil or divine."
--Ronnie James Dio (Heavy Metal Poet & NFL Schedule Soothsayer)
This week I was going to preview the Broncos 2010 schedule and give you a game-by-game breakdown of the brutality of the first six games:
9/12 -- at Jacksonville 1:00 pm
9/19 -- Seattle 4:05 pm
9/26 -- Indianapolis 4:15 pm
10/3 -- at Tennessee 1:00 pm
10/10 -- at Baltimore 1:00 pm
10/17 -- NY Jets 4:05 pm
At first glance, none of these games (outside of Seattle) are games that you would circle and say, "yeah, Denver's got that game." In fact, I was ready to lament facing Peyton Manning and the Colts. I was ready to cry at having to go on the road to face Tennessee and Baltimore in back-to-back-early road games. I was ready to hang my head at the prospect of facing the mighty Gang Green.
But then I came to my senses and checked my biases at the door--except that ones against Raiders fans and drunk street rioters, which I should combine into one bias, because they're always the same sets of people.
For several weeks now, I've been parroting the false expectation that the early part of Denver's schedule is somehow going to be tougher than the latter half. But then I realized, it's almost impossible to know in the preseason if a schedule is either hard or easy based on last year's results.
Let's face it. There are no easy games on an NFL schedule. After years of watching the Broncos-Raiders, Broncos-Chiefs, and the Broncos facing anyone with a losing record in December, my intuition should have told me better. I guess watching Jabar Gaffney shred Kansas City's 3rd-string corner backs in last season's finale blinded me to the fact that superior teams often lose to teams with Matt Cassel.
You've heard the myth of the tough schedule a lot in the media as well. The good folks over at NFL.com described the Broncos 2010 schedule as follows:
Difficult Early Schedule Will Test Broncos
The Broncos play host to the Colts in Week 3 only to follow that up with road games at Tennessee and Baltimore before returning home to face the Jets. Denver got off to a hot start in 2009, racing out to a 6-0 mark. The Broncos will be hard-pressed to match that accomplishment with such a tough slate against three playoff teams and one of the hottest teams to close out last season.
It's easy to fall victim to the myth of the tough schedule because the last images we remember from the previous year are of a handful of teams enjoying success. Peyton Manning shuffles his feet really really fast, Vince Young is again somehow, suddenly-last-summer going to really revolutionize the NFL, Ray Lewis really does eat children for breakfast, and Rex Ryan is really really mean-looking.
But that was last year. And predicting which team's are going to be difficult based on what they did last year is about as smart as trying to predict the stock market or JaMarcus Russell's pre-camp weight. You just can't do it. Finishing first in line one year doesn't mean you get shortcuts to the front of the line a year later.
So, please, for the love of Ronnie James Dio, let's start worrying about the important things in life. Like Tim Tebow's jersey sales.
Winning Percentage & Correlation - Killing the Dragon
There simply isn't any strong correlation between what a team did last year in the NFL to what it's going to do this year. When I looked at the correlation between winning percentage from a team's current year to it's previous year all the way back to 2000, the correlation coefficient (with p-values less than .005) was a rather small .293. In the world of correlation, .293 is weak at best.
Is this lack of correlation actually an indication that the strength of schedule concept is actually working? Perhaps. Given that, in theory, teams that finish with poor records are playing a supposedly easier schedule, so one might expect to see these teams winning a lot more in subsequent years. I did find that, since 2000, those teams that had .500 or worse records did have, on average, a 10% higher winning percentage than they did the year before. That's 1 extra win per year, on average. But it's certainly nothing you want to write home to momma (or Al Davis) about. If you win 4 games in one year and 5 the next, your coach is still getting the devil's horns.
While it's never fun to play around with stats (you might put your eye out and serve as the next Raiders mascot), this data would suggest on the surface that even if Rex Ryan made the playoffs this year, he might be sitting on the couch the next. And further, the year after he sat on the couch, he might win a game or two more (who wouldn't with Darrelle Revis?), but wouldn't necessarily be fist pumping his way to a division title.
The Dude's Pythagorean Theorem, which is simply an adjusted version of the Football Outsider's Pythagorean Wins Formula, enjoys a much better correlation with respect to predicting winning percentage. In the same time period 2000-2009, the Dude's Theorem from a team's previous year had a correlation of .608 to a team's current winning percentage. And according to The Dude's Theorem, the Titans, Jaguars, Raiders, Colts, and Chargers all had their fair share of "luck" last year.
But Why am I not Smarter than John Clayton?
Since preseason predictions are notoriously difficult, so I'm not going to pile on John Clayton or the NFL-Network crew for getting the Broncos record wrong last year. A lot of people get the predictions wrong, whether they reside in Bristol, Connecticut or within the confines of the MHR universe. But at least we have the decency to wear contacts, Mr. Clayton.
More interesting to me is why these preseason projections are so difficult. Let's explore some of the more (and less) obvious reasons:
1. Free Agency. Since 1992, free-agency has obviously driven the league to parity. A team can, with the signing of 2 or 3 players in a given free-agency period, go from the outhouse to the penthouse very quickly. We've seen numerous instances of this, but perhaps the Green Bay Packers of 1992 and 1993 come to mind with the signings of Brett Favre and Reggie White.
2. Coaching turnover. Generally, coaches have a 3-4 year window in which to hire their guys, implement their systems, and benefit (if they have input into free agency and the draft) from their work. Given this 48-month window, and the fact that only 12 teams each year make the playoffs, you're left with a league that simply grinds coaches to meat. And predicting what will happen with new and retread coaches is not something that one ought to make a living doing. You might as well take a job as a security guard at the Oakland Colosseum. It's likely more stable work.
3. Injuries. Imagine a world in which Peyton Manning doesn't play for the Colts for a 6-game stretch. Do you need more evidence than this? In the preseason, the Colts may look like division winners. In week 8, without their holy diver, they could be just another .500 football team.
4. The Draft. Like free-agency, but on a smaller scale, draft picks can transform a team. Usually it takes a bit longer, but even so, just the throughput of new players makes predicting anything in the preseason hard.
5. Luck. Yes, yes, I've heard it too. Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity. Usually the people that say this are busy selling you the tee-shirt or poster with a 50% mark-up. In the NFL, we all know, sometimes the wind kicks up and the ball hits the crossbar. Or if you are the Raiders, there's always the tuck rule.
Wanting to be the First in Line
Now that I've probably convinced you of the complete and utterly silliness of trying to predict wins and losses in the preseason, let me be the first idiot to jump to the front of the line and do so. According to my own proprietary formula, in which I give equal weight to last year's strength of schedule, Al Davis' monthly need for live-goat sacrifices, and the wonderlic scores of every nickel corner back on every roster, here is how I see it going for the Broncos in 2010:
Sept 12. at Jacksonville -- Tyson Alualu fooled everyone, except the Jags. After all, he is Samoan. And we all know Samoans kick ass. Actually, Denver, humidity, and early games never mix. LOSS.
Sept 19. Seattle -- Pete Carrol is back in the NFL. It's just too bad the Seahawks are not still in the AFC West so the Broncos could get 2 wins per year. WIN.
Sept 26. Indianapolis -- Age begins to catch up to Peyton Manning. Unfortunately, he can still no-huddle the Broncos into the dust. LOSS
Oct 3. at Tennessee -- Tim Tebow busts off some Wild Horses and shows Vince Young who is the better running quarterback. WIN
Oct 10. at Baltimore --- Okay. Okay. Ray Lewis really does eat children. That and the Broncos do poorly in early game trips to the east coast. LOSS.
Oct 17. New York Jets -- Rex Ryan had stomach bypass surgery. He doesn't look so mean anymore. Also, Marc Sanchez isn't as good as you've read. WIN.
Oct 24. Oakland - You're always the last in line, Oakland. WIN
Oct 31. at San Francisco - Mike Singletary can't suite up or play quarterback. But his eyes will still pop out of his skull when he sees how good Robert Ayers has become. Vernon Davis regresses. WIN
WEEK 9 BYE - Ryan Clady injures his eyelashes playing basketball. But it's thought to be nothing serious.
Nov 14. Kansas City -- Matt Cassel tries to switch teams by halftime because he likes McDaniels shotgun/spread more. He's barred entry into the Denver locker room. WIN
Nov 22. at San Diego -- Tim Tebow is now fully integrated into the Broncos offense with his own specialized sets and formations. Philip Rivers looks into his own stadium to realize that his jersey sells 2nd to Tebow's...in San Diego. WIN
Nov 28. St. Louis - Alphonso Smith works himself back into the nickel corner spot and takes back an INT to the house. WIN
Dec 5. at Kansas City -- December. Kansas City. Ouch. LOSS.
Dec 12. at Arizona -- Denver sweeps the NFC West. Why? Because Arizona can't commit to a QB. WIN
Dec 19. at Oakland -- You're always the last in line, Oakland. WIN
Dec 26. Houston -- Brady Quinn injuries his hamstring in pre-game warm-ups, after a drunk female fan storms the field demanding some post-Christmas mistletoe . The only home loss of the year. At least it's to Kubiak. LOSS
Jan 2. San Diego -- Jamal Williams really is one hour ahead of Philip Rivers. The Broncos exorcise (and exercise) their demons. WIN
So there you have it. The Broncos, on my watch, will finish 11-5 and win finish at the front of the line.
Silly?
No sillier than anyone else's preseason predictions. At least I accounted for increased Tim Tebow jersy sales.
Go Broncos!
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ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously funny, and seriously insightful. I have harped on this for years. We know how that schedule looks—scary—because we remember last year’s versions of these teams. We don’t know what will happen in the coming weeks to alter the landscape of this schedule. What if Peyton Manning does get injured and misses the Colts game? What if Rex Ryan, in an unforseen surgical complication, eats Darrelle Revis in training camp? What if unseasonable weather hits Jax week one and humidity isn’t a factor? We don’t know. For all we know the Raiders have drastically improved their locker room and will come out in force (ryan shouting “get in my belly!” to revis is somewhat more likely, but…).
moaning about the schedule gets you nowhere. Glad to see I am not alone in this thought. Rec’d for humor and being correct, especially about the goat sacrifices.
Nice AP reference. Where are you at 1am when I am writing these!
Ryan seems to get as much love as Mangini before him. We’ve seen this story before……
Thanks, my friend.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Hmm
we seem to be around the same time zone, so figuring in the distance, and any bends in the continuum caused by the Rockies or my perhaps greater proximity to oakland, and I’d have to guess that at 1 a.m. when you are writing these i’d be…asleep.
by AZDenverFan on May 19, 2010 11:34 AM MDT up reply actions
You forgot to RIP RJD!!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
RIP DIO
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 19, 2010 10:02 AM MDT up reply actions
RIP, RJD!

It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
by TJ Johnson on May 19, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is it sad that when I think about Dio, in all his Rock God Glory,
My first thought is always of Tenacious D? I know, its sad…..I can only keep thinking of their song regarding their ascension to the throne and passing of the crown.
Then I think about the tiger….cuz you know he’s clean!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
tiger is definitely clean
question is, is the Rainbow left on its own, no sign of the morning?
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 19, 2010 11:00 AM MDT up reply actions
RIP Ronnie Dio
"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche
Indeed! Probably the most unique voice in metal...
after Ozzy.
Tons of Rainbow, Sabbath and DIO solo tracks on my faves list.
Stomach cancer sounds like a horrible way to go. RIP RJD, and thanks for the great songs!
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Playoffs for Ronnie! That's the least our Broncos can do! RIP!
What do you despise? By this are you truly known.
We go into San Diego at 10-5 with the winner taking the division
The game ends in a tie and the tiebreakers go all the way down to the coin flip. MHR is filled with quantitative analysis about why we will clearly win because of McDaniel’s math background.
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I have already begun the calculations
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 19, 2010 10:03 AM MDT up reply actions
And the coin toss is won
by McD’s use of the force.
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
by KaptainKirk on May 19, 2010 10:17 AM MDT up reply actions
McD to Commissioner
“We’re trying to win a MF’in Coin Toss! Heads!”
by Bradoncadonc on May 19, 2010 4:52 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
I would love to see how pumped McD would get at that coin toss. Pacing like a hyena, swinging his whistle. Definite fistpump if they won.
by Bradoncadonc on May 20, 2010 11:17 AM MDT up reply actions
Of course it does!
You don’t think we’re going to lose that toss do you???
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Nice read, Insightful and I'm wondering...
I’ve noticed that some teams are consistently good, some consistently bad. A few make runs one year, then collapse. Others are good, but injuries and touch schedule take them down for a year. Others just fluctuate a lot near the middle. Do you think, there’s a way statistically, to add some variable to the analysis, to better predict who are in each of these categories?
by MichaelCushman on May 19, 2010 10:02 AM MDT reply actions
maybe a variable accounting for media coverage
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 19, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions
I was wondering the same sort of thing
would point differential help with year to year correlation? What about something that takes into account strength of schedule?
by Fan in Exile on May 19, 2010 11:32 AM MDT up reply actions
Thanks, CS.
By the way, catch the Spartacus, Blood and Sand episodes if you like fighting, naked girls, and references to Jupiter’s twig and berries. I’m game.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Good stuff
I’d also argue, and it’s way to early to know AND I do not want to jinx it so I’ll just say this quietly, but the Jags don’t impress or scare me all that much, did not imho have that good of a draft, and if it weren’t for as you said the fact that it’s a road game in the sticky south, I’d say that was a sure win. No such thing as a sure win in real life of course, but I have faith the Broncos will be the better team at least. Ditto, Seattle. It’s the next 4 that scare me, but if the Broncos can split them, and were able to win the first 2, then they’d be in good shape.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Regression to the Mean
That’s another explanation for why bad teams generally improve by a win. Even if the schedule never changed, I would expect bad teams to pick up a game, just because it’s very hard to be bad year in and year out. Most teams need some “luck” to finish that far in the basement, and bad luck is not constant.
by Chibronx on May 19, 2010 10:28 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Chibronx, GREAT POINT, I had neglected to even think about this.
The MHR stats community….they’re just smarter than you.
Dang, man. I wish I would have thought of that point last night.
TJ, less humor….more thinking…
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
bah, humor is fine, just save the white russians until after you are done… ok fine, till right before you start
by Todd Jewell on May 19, 2010 11:01 AM MDT up reply actions
another excellent point, and good to see you again, Warmick
Can the season get here quick enough??
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
umm....unlessssss
you are oakland. for them…GOOD luck seems to not be constant!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Really bad teams end up in 4th place in their divisions. Out of the 16 games, 3×2=6 are divisional, 4 common with an another division in your conference and 4 common with another division in the other conference.
The other two games are against the other teams in the divisions in your conference based on divisional standings #1 vs #1,,#2 vs #2 #3 vs #3, #4 vs #4.
Bad teams from the last year that ended #4 last in their division get their two non common games games two other #4 teams. In any conference one out of those #4 teams is going to have some improvement and gets to beat up on the #4 teams that don’t. Or on average 2/4 of the last place teams are improving and get to beat up on the #4 teams that have not.
Since everything else 14/16 games are common in your division, the two games against #4 opponents give you that chance to on average pick up that extra win.
A Little Early
Its a little early to predicting results for the regular season, but I have some basic rules in looking forward every year. I never predict a Broncos loss to the Raiders, regardless of actual ability of either team, and I have to expect a split with the rest of the division unless the Broncos look really strong on the eve of the regular season. After all, how often have the Broncos won in Kansas City even when the Chefs were bad? San Diego is simply unpredictable no matter how good or bad they are. How could they be having a great season and still lose to the Raiders? Last year, I predicted in preseason that the Broncos could win 5 of the first 6 and maybe all 6, but lose to Baltimore and Pittsburgh. After that, I thought they would do better than they did and end up 10-6, maybe 11-5. This year, there are some games that I think are even money against Indianapolis in Denver (just a hunch), at Baltimore (Ravens are an up and down team, maybe down for Denver this year), and Houston (I like Kubiak, but I like Denver better). The rest are winnable, even Jacksonville where Tebow will Will a win even if he doesn’t play. So split the even money games and the two division foes not spelled Raiders, and you get 11-5 or 12-4 (since I can’t exactly split the 3 even money games). Play Ball!
i'm good with 11-5
fader nation is a conquered nation
Jerry Jones is Al Davis with a smile!
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This isn't the best place for this but,
the picture of Rex Ryan in your post looks just like the “Make your future baby” advertisement on the front page. Scary.
I’m predicting that we make Ryan our baby in week 6?
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on May 19, 2010 10:37 AM MDT reply actions
Jacksonville & Tebow
McD needs to start Tebow for the only reason being to have the entire Jacksonville crowd cheering for the Broncos!! It will be great to have the home crowd advantage on the road for week 1.
Orton/Quinn can come in for the second half to actually win the game for the Broncos, but how disheartening for the Jags to have the crown cheering for the other team.
To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.
About as disheartening
as it was to hear the crowd cheering for the Steelers in Denver last year.
Otherwise, a great idea. I could see McD doing it just for that reason.
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
RIP Barrel Man - 12/5/09
by DesertBroncoFan on May 19, 2010 1:44 PM MDT up reply actions
The worst game I ever sat through was in Houston
When Vince Young was bringing the Titans back in overtime and the whole crowd was cheering for the Titans!
You can't fix Dumb or being a VYFB
by Texans-Brocos on May 19, 2010 6:10 PM MDT up reply actions
It's a terrible thing to have to suffer off season football,
when all we have to do is wonder around in circles chasing our tails. I’m left with great posts from MHR that leave me somewhta optimistic about our future, but other than that I [grin] kick the dog now and again to give me peace and solace of being lonesome this time of year…I do have a hunch things will take a direct upturn from last year and I think we can take one of the games against Indy and Bal-town…I think I will continue to drink in my Jack Daniels laced kool-aid and stand pat on 13-3 Baby!!! Until we ain’t. It just ain’t right not having football 12 months a year…
Tell me about it.
sigh.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Great read
I’d love to see 11-5. I’d like to see anything higher than the 7-9 to 9-7 neighborhood we’ve been living in since Jake the Snake was running things. And despite Ray Lewis’ appetite for younglings, I’d really like to see a win in Bmore since that’s the only game this DC resident will get to go to. Unless someone wants to buy a kidney so I can go to London?
Orly, I freakin' hate the Ravens. I hate them almost as if they are in the division.
I would love to see us knock them silly. But they are like the Colts, are they not. They just have our number, no matter the QB or the Coach? I want Spencer Larsen to lay Ray Ray on his arse!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Unless someone wants to buy a kidney so I can go to London?
Packages start at $2950/person (based on double occupancy).
"It's all over Fat Man" - Tom Jackson to John Madden 1977 AFC Championship Game
RIP Barrel Man - 12/5/09
by DesertBroncoFan on May 19, 2010 1:47 PM MDT up reply actions
Last year's schedule
Before the season started, it looked easy at the very start, tougher than hell in the middle, then easy again at the end. The results? Expected easy start. Surprising early middle success. Regression to the mean late middle. Wtf horrible ending. So yes, I agree, looking at the schedule ahead of time is now somewhat meaningless.
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"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.
by Bob in Boulder on May 19, 2010 11:11 AM MDT reply actions
But that's why you have me, Bob. To look at the meaninglessness of it all!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
And you did it well! LOL. I gave up the prediction business. Because I suck. I picked the Broncos to go 5-11 last season. When they were 6-0 I was riding the McD train and thinking 12-4 at the worst, division title in the bag. I also was 100% positive that the Avs were going to be awful last year.
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"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.
by Bob in Boulder on May 19, 2010 12:11 PM MDT up reply actions
Exactly.
Strength of schedule last year said we’d lose to NE, SD, and probably DAL. It also said we’d school the raiders and the chiefs at home. there is no predicting. There are too many factors. That’s where the chaos theory comes in.
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Jacksonville does not have a good football team and that won’t be much of a home game when 1/2 of the crowd, maybe more, is there to see Tebow.
It will be hot, but that IS A VERY winnable game for Denver.
Seattle at home should also be a W.
For a 2nd year in a row, the schedule makers were kind to Denver for the first few games.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
by McGeorge on May 19, 2010 11:24 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
McG, humidity, baby. It's. A. Big. Deal.
I’m just saying….
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Very big deal! Coming from the thin air makes it 2 times as hard to adjust
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
1/2 of the crowd, maybe more, is there to see Tebow
Interesting point. But probably only impacts the game if Tebow plays. If he comes in on short yardage/goal situations, we might actually get some of that Steeler road fan effect. If he starts (which is remote at best), we might just own that stadium!
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 19, 2010 12:40 PM MDT up reply actions
As a Jags fan
… I love to hear stuff like this: “Jacksonville does not have a good football team”. :) Time will tell, but I suspect we are going to suprise some teams this year. Either way, it’s going to be an interesting opening game for both our teams.
BTW, I thoroughly enjoyed the main article. You guys have some good content writers, and I visit here fairly regulalry just because of the quality of articles.
Thanks, Keith!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Too early, but always interesting......
Jacksonville is a winable game even with it’s early start time and being there. Still 11-5 should be doable, but I’m thinking more 10-6 as a reality.
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Agree, chiper. Last year, when I said 10-6, I was very drunk off the Kool-Aid.
This year, I’m still drunk….but I feel better about it!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
I am feeling 8-8 to be honest...hope I am wrong and we are better!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Why?
"The never-ending search for a truth never told."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
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by Tempestuous Binary on May 21, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions
I think the AFC West division has got better, and we are not assured of wins against Oakland and Kansas...
We have questions on O Line and WR, and for this reason I see us grinding out some wins, and having some narrow losses.
This team does not have the potential yet to blow ANY team out…..exactly like last year, and I still dont see us having that potential this year either.
We win only 2-3 games in division, 3 in NFC West , take one from Jacksonville and one from the Titans.
he long term potential of this team excites me a lot, but I dont see ay short term success this year.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Parity...
…is a bad word among the NFL faithful, but it thrives. Any given year, there are a couple to a very few very good teams, a couple to a very few very bad teams, and a whole passel in the pack between. Any one of those pack teams can win or lose to any one of the others on any given Sunday— which is a cliche only because its very true. I think Denver remains in the very large middle pack. For those pack teams, good luck or career years from key players (see the 2005 Denver Broncos) can create the illusion that they are elite; or bad luck or off years at key positions can create the illusion that they are trending downward. I think team attitude plays a huge role also— a very mediocre Jets team all the sudden looked like world beaters when they came back from the dead (thank you Curtis Painter and a satiated Colts team) and played like a team with nothing to lose (because its hard to fear death when you already apparently died), and a team like Indy may very well suffer the hangover effects of a disappointing end to 2009 (how long can you sustain being very good, but not quite good enough, et al?). So I long ago stopped paying attention to strength of schedule blather. There are a couple of teams on our schedule that are going to have much better years than anticipated and some that are going to be much worse than expected. Figuring that out in May just can’t happen.
Denialists replace the open-minded skepticism of science with the inflexible certainty of ideological commitment.-- Michael Spector
by PredominantlyOrange on May 19, 2010 11:46 AM MDT reply actions
PO, concise...clear...to the point. As always, good stuff.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
A few thoughts
Jacksonville is a possible win, even though it will be hot and humid. It will be a good early test to see how prepared McD has the team.
Why does everyone still have the Ravens on a pedestal? Their DBs can’t cover anyone, their front seven are old, and their offense has reverted to old form. Last year, teams actually ran the ball on them, successfully, and any team with a decent passing game can pick them apart. Face it: The Ravens are a middle of the road team at best.
The Colts still have Peyton, but he is getting older and not as accurate as he used to be. Add in our secondary, which is experienced, talented, and deep, and we should be able to give him fits. I think that game is winnable, but like the NE game last year will require our best effort.
I agree that we could win out against the NFC West, but don’t think that any of those will be easy. I also don’t see us sweeping either the Raiders or the Chargers, although it could happen. I don’t see the Chargers as being any better this year, but the Raiders should be without the constant QB drama as a distraction.
The ravens "old" front seven destroyed our OL last year
by DE_BroncoFan on May 19, 2010 12:05 PM MDT up reply actions
The Old Ravens Line is like Dokken
They never get old. They just add more weight.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
With Ngata and Cody
I don’t think I’d write off their front seven just yet — those two alone could eat up four OL positions. And Kindle playing next to Lewis is going to keep things very interesting. There is starting-caliber youth — potential superstars — in Baltimore’s defensive front seven.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 19, 2010 12:46 PM MDT up reply actions
Oh, I'm not writing them off
I just get tired of hearing about how they are the best defense in the league. There was a time when that was true, but judging by last year I didn’t see it. We ranked higher than them in several categories.
I like predicting ranges
I’d say we have a range of 8-8 and 12-4 potential. Yes, that is a vast range but I think, at this point, that’s about as gutsy as I can get.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin
by Orange and Blue on May 19, 2010 12:17 PM MDT reply actions
Good range. A lot of "wiggle" room!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Here's my range:
I think we’ll fall somewhere between 0-16 and 16-0. ;-p
Just kidding
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on May 19, 2010 12:59 PM MDT up reply actions
MARSHALL DONE UNTIL TRAINING CAMP
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d818353ba&template=with-video-with-comments&confirm=true
Marshall is already not on the field for the dolphins. He never liked OTA’s anyway :) lol
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
Why am I happy about this? Come on, TJ, come on, man!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
by TJ Johnson on May 19, 2010 12:27 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm bummed for him, personally
He has a lot to live up to now but also a chance to show that he has really turned his life around and has grown as a man. I’m nott gonna root against that.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 19, 2010 12:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Marshall
not rooting against him. Not sure if you read the article but he has no brace or sign of injury? The Dolphins coach didn’t seem to happy. I wish him the best but maybe McX knew what they were doing when they traded him.
My job is to separate the player from the ball - John Lynch
I read it, but I'm not sure I agree with your inference
What are you getting at? That he had hip surgery but didn’t really need it?
That he had hip surgery but it wasn’t anything that should keep him off the field?
That he didn’t really have hip surgery? That he and Sparano are in cahoots to keep him out of OTAs? Or that he is making some sort of diva power play and the coach is angry with him?
Is wearing a brace or walking with a limp required after surgery?
And why would Sparano be happy about a legitimately needed surgery?
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 20, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions
sorry, i didn't mean to come off so argumentative LOL
I’m just confused by what you meant.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 20, 2010 12:43 PM MDT up reply actions
For someone who loves stats, you sure ignored some huge stats regarding December and winning for the Broncos. :P
Well maybe not. You do have them going 2-2. lol
Since 1995, the Broncos are 31-33 in December during the Regular Season. A .484 winning percentage. Overall, they went 146-94 total during the Regular Season, a .608 winning percentage.
McD and the Broncos HAVE GOT TO GET IT DONE in December!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
But what are they in KC in December, Tim????
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
14-41 all-time...?
3-15 in December… I think. 1-0 in January though!
I believe I wrote a story a year or two ago called “House of Horrors” or something like that…
Verbose in style, dispersion of thought, procrastination in life.
The guy formerly known as ZAPPA
I'd love to go 2-0 against Oakland
I remember when we used to do that. Just sayin.
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 19, 2010 12:57 PM MDT reply actions
History WILL repeat itself in this special case, BM!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
It may happen for KC
Especially if your prediction -
“Nov 14. Kansas City — Matt Cassel tries to switch teams by halftime because he likes McDaniels shotgun/spread more. He’s barred entry into the Denver locker room. WIN”
comes true! Haha! That probably made me laugh the loudest. I dont know why… maybe because I could see it happening.
“McD, i know I’ve got a great contract here, but you made me great! Can I play Ball with you?”
Sorry Kansas fans!
"The advantage law is the best law in rugby, because it lets you ignore all the others for the good of the game." - Derek Robinson
"You've got to get your first tackle in early, even if it's late." - Ray Graved
Easy there old timer.
jk
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
lol
No kidding necessary. I’m turning 40 next month. ; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 20, 2010 12:45 PM MDT up reply actions
Those damn milestone birthdays!
I’m turning 30 this month. :-)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Braggart!
Ah yes, 30. I remember it w… uh, no, wait… too long ago. Sadly my dementia precludes sentimentality about the 30s.
; )
"All we're trying to do is win the *********** game!" -- Josh MF McDaniels tearing into his offensive line after three false starts in the red zone. The tirade turned the tide of the game, and the Broncos dominated from that point on.
by broncosmontana on May 21, 2010 2:13 PM MDT up reply actions
No easy games on the schedule?
You mean we can’t schedule Duke or NE Louisana State?
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
Well, they do play Oakland....so it's close.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
I always say that, and then I always find that we somehow find a way to lose to Oakland
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
the lover of life's not a sinner...
first off – R.I.P. ronnie james dio. the hippies had their poet in bob dylan, dio was ours. great man. love the raider digs at every turn. it’s good some people remember who the true enemy is-never forget! also, kudos for having the balls to critique where necessary in all of your posts.
strength of schedule? last season was worse, and i’m not talking about potential wins. the lines we faced on both sides of the ball were going to take their toll on us, and it did. look no further for the reason we collapsed. it started with baltimore and pitt.-coincidence? that appears to have has been remedied, thank you mcd.
reason #6-poor officiating. i cannot count the times we’ve been burned by this one(eagles, anyone?). nobody likes to blame the refs, but it is what it is. i’ll leave it at that. pretty bold predicting a charger sweep, i still think we have some catching up to do there. i’ll take a split, but we need to finish strong with 5 of the last 8 as division games. our strength and depth will be tested then, and will define our year(and playoff hopes).
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign doom now
by davecheffy on May 19, 2010 1:21 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Ah, that is a good #6, I should have classified luck with the officials....but yes, in some games
namely, against INDY, the officials can make a difference….usually evens out at the end of the year…except for that darn guy Manning!
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Haven't read it yet Dude but I will when I get time.
Just wanted to say RIP Ronnie!!! I had to rock out to that song as soon as I heard about his death.
What a drag it is getting old. - Mick
OB, Holy Diver is awesome. The guy was strong. Just solid.
Jeremy Bolander gave me the Metal Poet phrase, and I agree with it 150%
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
14/16 of the scheduled games are common opponents, its only the two ranked games in conference that differ in strength
Most games are common within each division, so the only variation is what week they are played, but the two non common games give a little boost to the worst teams, hence the average 1 game gain. Plus its just luck averaging out.
Some better teams may be easier to play way early or way late, before they get into offensive rhythm or are resting injured players or starters after clinching, but thats about it..
Really bad teams end up in 4th place in their divisions. Out of the 16 games, 3×2=6 are divisional, 4 common with an another division in your conference and 4 common with another division in the other conference.
The other two games are against the other teams in the divisions in your conference based on divisional standings #1 vs #1,,#2 vs #2 #3 vs #3, #4 vs #4.
Bad teams from the last year that ended #4 last in their division get their two non common games games two other #4 teams. In any conference one out of those #4 teams is going to have some improvement and gets to beat up on the #4 teams that don’t. Or on average 2/4 of the last place teams are improving and get to beat up on the #4 teams that have not.
Since everything else 14/16 games are common in your division, the two games against #4 opponents give you that chance to on average pick up that extra win.
Good stuff, Kosty.
I agree with all of it.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Great post as always
The only thing I can’t agree with on the predictions;
I’d say We win at Jacksonville, against the Colts, at Baltimore, at KC, and against Houston. Other than that I agree wholeheartedly with the entire post! ;-J
Our predictions at this point in time are about as meaningful as Al Davis’ encyclopedia collection!
(not as brilliant as yours can be Dude, but one can never experience too many Raider burns)
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 19, 2010 4:29 PM MDT reply actions
Weekend at Al's

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"I am a business major in college after all." - One MHR commenter's rationale for knowing more about the Denver Broncos than I do. LOL.
by Bob in Boulder on May 19, 2010 4:41 PM MDT up reply actions
case and point
Or is it case and point?
I was never sure, and maybe no one else is and are always saying it wrong like ‘el dorado’ (Ehl – do – rah – do…. not Ehl- do – ray – do… bleepin’ Kansans, man… Ha ha).
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 19, 2010 4:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Supposed to say
case and point
or case in point*
pretty sure it’s ..and…
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 19, 2010 5:20 PM MDT up reply actions
LMFAO!
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
PJ, the Raiders will always be last in line, so they can never get enough punishment...
This is why god invented the Tuck Rule, I always say…..
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Oh, and thanks for reading, man
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Beating SD twice?
I want this as much as the next guy who bleeds orange and blue but Rivers is still an outstanding qb with weapons. I hope your right generally agree with most those picks and have a 10-6 record for them.
"stand for something ... live with passion ... finish strong," --number 15
GJ, I think I had an extra nip of grandpa's cough syrup when I picked that first SD game:-)
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Great job TJ.....unfortunately I am feeling a mediocre 8-8 this season!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Duuuuuude
If Williams and Bannan stay healthy and Chris Baker comes on (a lot of ifs, I know), we are not a .500 team.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
Agreed
Our bolstered D Line is going to make a lot of difference. Guys like Fields and McBean wont get worn down from over use like last year and they were effective early in the season when their legs were fresh. Adding Williams, Bannan, and Green (and hopefully Baker) gives us a lot of talent on the D Line. This will improve our defensive play in the 2nd and 3rd levels as well.
If the offense can hold up it’s side of the bargain (get well soon Ryan’s) then we’ll finish above .500. My prediction: 10-6.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
Forgot your props! Rec'd
Great read as always :-)
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
I hope that happens man....I will be OK with 8-8 if our young guys are blooded and become starters....10-6 is better if the same thing happens.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Boydy
I brewed up a special batch of Kool-Aid I need to send your way.
Alright, here it is.
Broncos 2010!!!
When Eddie Royal, a modest man, says he likes to see the level of high competition at all positions (via Facebook). And Brian Dawkins is referring to A Championship team…. Offensive Line is full of versatile guys, as well as Defensive…. Best make the cut… Pumped? (Did that help?) ;-J
First team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! and then some, right? I think four and someone else oughtta have a 'fair' shot ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on May 20, 2010 9:16 PM MDT up reply actions
THANKS MAN...I added some bundaberg rum and feel heaps better!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Love the posts Dude!
And RIP Ronnie.
“Now that I’ve probably convinced you of the complete and utterly silliness of trying to predict wins and losses in the preseason, let me be the first idiot to jump to the front of the line and do so.”
Love it :)
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Kinda disagree
I actually think there is value to be gained by looking at schedules and guessing at whether they are hard or not… the problem most folks ignore however, is they look at only W-L records, and not at how difficult the OTHER TEAM’s schedule was the previous year.
What this does is create lots of 10-6/11-5 teams that had easy schedules being FAR overrated, and a bunch teams that had 7-9 to 9-7 schedules being far underrated when folks look at the schedule for the upcoming year.
Commn schedules are fine for comparing teams w/in divisions… the problem is not all divisions are created equal. Last year AFCS was a pretty tough division, while NFCW continued to be relatively poor, etc. So teams in a division that played the AFCS are likely better than teams that played NFCW for equal records, etc.
Looking at Denver this year, I think our schedule is probably pretty average. We play the tough AFCS, but we get 4 games vs. the Cheifs and Raiders, and the NFCW is mediocre at best (especially with the disintegration of AZ this winter), though I expect improvement from SF and SEA.
Not a bad post, cj, there is some good stuff in here.
I agree that you can do some looking as well. In fact, I did just that!:-)
Despite the weaker correlations.
It's like what Lenin said... you look for the person who will benefit, and, uh, uh...
excellent points
i use that line of thinking, also. you can also get into margin of victory, as 8 14-point wins certainly is not the same as 8 3-point ones, in this context.
taste my blitzkrieg!
sign doom now
Great point
As TJ pointed out, Pythag wins or some variation thereof can be a very valuable tool.
Wins and Losses are such a coarse tool, its amazing how worked up many folks get about them or any attempt at looking DEEPER than them. Yes, in the immediate year being played they are all that matter in the end… but in predicting future performance, they are a really blunt instrument frought with tons of confouding factors (luck, opponent strength, etc.).
Just finished jamming out a playlist of DIO songs,,,
had to bump this for good measure….
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Great Read TJ
IMHO you are the jewel of MHR. Your articles are so fun to read. Please change your name back to LebowskiBronco?
Very bold predictions, but I love the tropical fruit punch flavored koolaid you are drinking.
"Perfection is not attainable, but if we chase perfection we can catch excellence."
Vince Lombardi

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