Horse Tracks - 5/25/10 - The Anatomy of a Trade Rumor
by John Bena on May 25, 2010 6:43 AM MDT
in Horse Tracks
Email
Print
Over the weekend, 'reports' surfaced that the Broncos had supposedly floated Kyle Orton's name in trade talks leading up to the Draft. The rumors were immediately squashed by a Broncos official via Adam Shefter's Twitter. Josh McDaniels reiterated yesterday that the Broncos never looked to trade Orton. Such are the slow news days of May in the NFL. Let's start by saying that the 'trade block' is nothing more than a video game or fantasy term. The truth is, there are more players available every year than are not. Find the right deal, and virtually anyone is tradeable. Then, you add the complexity of free agency, and you have all the ingredients for trades. By nature, the Restricted Tag is nothing more than a glorified trade block. Did the Broncos put Orton on the trade block? If one existed, I'd guess you'd say they did. They put Elvis Dumervil on the 'block' as well. By placing the 1st Round Tender on Orton, they were telling teams what his price tag would be. If a team thought Orton was worth a contract - and the 1st Round compensation - they would have made the move. The Broncos would then have had to decide whether to match the offer, or take the pick. In other words, they would have traded Kyle Orton for a 1st Round pick. Sure, I am simplifying matters, but is it really all that difficult? To make a player available, to have discussions about a player, or simply to place a tender on a Restricted Free Agent - all are saying the same thing, and none of them is a statement that a team is unhappy with a player. Teams need to keep their options open, all the time, with every player. Did the Denver Broncos actively try and trade Kyle Orton before the Draft? No, I don't believe they did, and they didn't have to. The Tender did it for them.
Making an Impression - DenverBroncos.com
Jamal Williams is physical. OTAs are not.
VIDEO - Sights and Sounds from Monday's Passing Camp
Highlights from the photography period during this morning's passing camp practice.
VIDEO - Passing Camp: Josh McDaniels - DenverBroncos.com
Head Coach Josh McDaniels talks about the windy conditions during this morning's practice and the improvements of some of the second year players.
VIDEO - Passing Camp: Champ Bailey - DenverBroncos.com
Cornerback Champ Bailey talks about his new teammates and this week's passing camp.
VIDEO - More Sounds from Passing Camp -- DenverBroncos.com
Players talk about the windy conditions during today's practice and using passing camp to prepare for training camp and next season.
Post-Marshall era forces new strategy - The Denver Post
It really is a common thing to watch a Broncos practice in May that doesn't include Brandon Marshall.
Paige: Full-tilt QB fight common theme - The Denver Post
The rock band America rode "through the desert on a horse with no name." Colorado is riding through May minicamps on Broncos officials with no names.
Bailey endorses Orton as Broncos QB, McDaniels not so sure - The Denver Post
Gale force winds made it a good day to run the ball but this was a passing camp and the Broncos went forward with their adventure. Orton completed just 5 of 20, including 1 of 6 during an end-of-practice, 11-on-11, 2-minute drill.
Broncos' Orton cool under heat of QB controversy - The Denver Post
Again, Orton may be the only one capable of calming these outside forces. As the incumbent starter, all Orton has to do is beat out the quarterbacks the Broncos recently acquired to take his place — Brady Quinn, who was once touted as an All-American boy from Notre Dame, and Tim Tebow, an All-American boy of heaven and earth.
J.D. Walton at first-team center | All Things Broncos
A week ago, when the media was permitted to view an offseason practice, Dustin Fry was the Broncos’ first-string center with rookie J.D. Walton mixing in.
Bannan, Stokley missing from practice | All Things Broncos
Outside the usual list of injured players, veteran defense lineman Justin Bannan and receiver Brandon Stokley didn’t practice Monday. Bannan was excused for personal reasons. The veteran Stokley has been known to get the occassional to day off to address aches and pains.
Royal looks to put 2009 season behind him -- Colorado Springs Gazette
The third-year Broncos receiver was a frequent target of quarterbacks in Monday’s passing camp practice, moving seamlessly between different receiver positions. He looked confident, even when the strong gusting winds made it impossible for him to come down with some passes.
Inside the playbook: defeating the Tampa 2 | National Football Post
We started off our "Inside the Playbook" series with a look at the Tampa 2 coverage—a core scheme run by such defenses as Indianapolis, Chicago and Minnesota. A 2-deep,5-under defense that turns into a 3-deep, 4-under look (similar to that of Cover 3) with the Mike Backer running the middle of the field—essentially matching with the inside vertical seam.
An American Needle in a haystack | National Football Post
The highest court in the land doesn't often deal with sports cases, let alone apparel cases dealing with football teams. Thus, today's unanimous ruling against the NFL by the United States Supreme Court in the American Needle case is an interesting one. The NFL took a shot in January that the "Single Entity" argument would work in insulating them from antitrust attack.
Five warning signs for rookies | National Football Post
When I watched the draft this year, eagerly waiting to hear my clients’ names announced, I couldn’t help but notice, as I do every year, the excessive amount of diamond encrusted bling on the watches, earrings and rings of the NFL’s newest millionaires. No telling what kind of hardware was hanging from their necks under the $3,000 suits.
NC’s Robert Quinn heads defensive line class | National Football Post
Looking over the senior defensive line class, there is certainly a talented group of prospects toward the top end who have the ability to come off the board some time in the first couple of rounds.
Could Arian Foster start for the Texans in 2010? | National Football Post
One of the more interesting position battles to watch heading into the 2010 season is taking place in Houston, where four running backs are vying for the starting job.
Chargers' Ellison arrested on possession charges | National Football Post
San Diego Chargers safety Kevin Ellison is in trouble with the law.
Fabian Washington: 'Dr. Andrews put the icing on the cake' | National Football Post
Baltimore Ravens cornerbacks Fabian Washington and Lardarius Webb visited Dr. James Andrews’ office Monday, and both got positive news regarding their rehabilitation from torn anterior cruciate ligaments.
Andre Johnson: 'I'm not really worried about it' | National Football Post
As far as Houston Texans star wide receiver Andre Johnson is concerned, he's not worried about his contract anymore.
NFL unlikely to vote on expanding overtime change to regular season | National Football Post
The NFL isn't expected to vote on expanding its modified overtime format for the regular season during this week's league meetings.
Kevin Boss has successful ankle surgery | National Football Post
New York Giants tight end Kevin Boss had a successful cleanout procedure on his right ankle today.
At least 11 teams in favor of New York's 2014 Super Bowl bid | National Football Post
New York is the prohibitive favorite to land the 2014 Super Bowl over competing bids from Tampa and Miami, andthe New York Daily News is reporting that at least 11 teams are in favor of giving the game to New York.
Logan Mankins to skip organized team activity | National Football Post
New England Patriots veteran offensive guard Logan Mankins won't be attending the team's organized team activities this week.
Charles Tillman trading places for Bears | National Football Post
The Chicago Bears are hoping their defense is revamped this season with the addition of defensive end Julius Peppers and the return of middle linebacker Brian Urlacher from a wrist injury that cost him nearly all of 2009.
Dolphins sign Cory Procter | National Football Post
The Miami Dolphins have signed veteran free agent offensive line Cory Procter, the team announced today.
Chiefs have nothing to say about Bowe's 'importing' remarks | National Football Post
Nobody with the Kansas City Chiefs' organization wanted to discuss wide receiver Dwayne Bowe's claims that teammates "imported" women to the team hotel in San Diego prior to a game in 2007, his rookie season.
New York could open Super Bowl door for other cold-weather cities
The expected awarding of the 2014 Super Bowl to the New York/New Jersey area will, in actuality, be a reward for building a new stadium -- as was the case with Detroit, Dallas and Indianapolis, cities that have recently hosted or are set to have the big game.
Rankings: Are Cowboys ready to finally make a playoff run?
Trying to rank NFL teams from 1-32 is close to impossible in September, let alone in May, but it is always a good exercise to think about where the teams are right now. I prefer to look at teams in five groupings, rather than a pure ranking from top to bottom. Of course an injury to a Peyton Manning or a Tom Brady would drop their respective teams at least a tier or two.
New York shouldn't be left out in the cold to host Super Bowl
I spent nearly 18 seasons covering the Buffalo Bills, so I know a little something about football being played in a roofless stadium under the harshest conditions a Northeastern winter has to offer.
Roundup: Is Owens headed for Chicago?
Owens, not one to be shy, told the world on his Twitter account (via the Chicago Tribune) that he was going to confront Cutler about coming to Chicago after running into the Bears quarterback on Sunday night. Because, that wouldn’t be a diva-like, VH1 reality show way of handling things.
Vick not content as Eagles' backup QB, vows to be a starter in NFL
Before Michael Vick spent 18 months in federal prison on dogfighting charges, he was the Atlanta Falcons' starting quarterback and made three Pro Bowls.
Dolphins deal guard Smiley to Jaguars, fill spot by signing Procter
The Miami Dolphins finally found a new home for Justin Smiley, trading the veteran guard to the Jacksonville Jaguars, NFL Network insider Michael Lombardi confirmed Monday.
Supreme Court denies NFL's request for broad antitrust protection
The Supreme Court rejected the NFL's request for broad antitrust law protection Monday, saying it must be considered 32 separate teams -- not one big business -- when selling branded items like jerseys and caps.
NFL docs face House committee's heated questions on head trauma
A congressional committee criticized the NFL's research into equipment, particularly helmets, and questioned if player safety is indeed being given top priority in an "infected system that needs to be cleaned up."
Roger Staubach: Dallas Cowboys have Super Bowl potential - ESPN Dallas
Hall of Fame quarterback Roger Staubach expressed optimism Monday that his former team can become the first to play a Super Bowl in its own stadium.
Coach Josh McDaniels denies trade talks for Denver Broncos QBs - ESPN
On a blustery day when a 45-foot pine tree next to one of the team's practice fields was blown over by wind gusts that reached 70 mph, coach Josh McDaniels emphatically denied the Denver Broncos were trying to deal one of their four quarterbacks.
47 comments
|
1 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Thanks, John
The Post is really desperate to sell some papers with this Orton business. I guess being the local monoplist is not as profitable as it seems. Sad times.
Maybe we can talk about J.D. Walton starting at the top of the depth chart instead. I think we generally expect him to be starting by November. If the timeline gets accelerated, that is good news.
JD
The day he was drafted, he was the most talented C on the roster. I fully expect him to start on Day 1. It is his job to lose.
-TSG
SBNation's Denver Broncos Blogger
MileHighReport
Questions, Comments...E-Mail Me!
milehighreport@gmail.com
or
Call Me! (303)731-5605
Follow MHR on Twitter!
Follow MHR on Facebook!
XBox Gamertag - MileHighReport
Playstation Gamertag - TheSportsGuru
Yep!
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Please Murder My Eyees
BTW, this is a new level of awful from Woody:
The rock band America rode “through the desert on a horse with no name.” Colorado is riding through May minicamps on Broncos officials with no names.
That’s awesome. He arranged some wordsw so that they were like other words. A paid proffessional, that Woody.
by Chibronx on May 25, 2010 7:07 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
I swear I stared at that sentence for several minutes before giving up on trying to figure out WTF
he was trying to say. I get the play on words but it’s still gibberish.
There's no need to fear, Underdog is here! / Broncos/Dodgers/Lakers fan in Niners/Raiders/Giants/Warriors country, and damned proud of it.
Thanks, John.
Bowen’s look at beating the Tampa-2 was a good read (even if it wasn’t earth-shattering).
"The never-ending search for a truth never told."
"God I'm excited for those two to fail miserably." - SBNation writer Andrew Sharp on Josh McDaniels and Tim Tebow.
Quitter's People United Member #18
by Tempestuous Binary on May 25, 2010 7:11 AM MDT reply actions
The unanimous Supreme Court ruling bears watching...
There could definitely be some unintended consequences of this….it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Great to see Walton on 1st team! :)
Future 2010 MHR Fantasy Football Champion! ;)
"Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passion, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence."
John Adams
Yes and no
I heard the same line about BM before the trade, the line was, we would only accept a 1st round pick if another team signed him, we would not discuss a trade, yet we somehow made a trade for two 2nd rounders, again, no one in their right mind would of signed KO for a 1st rounder, so I am sure some teams approached the Broncos with trade offers and they were probably below what the Broncos really wanted (probably a 3rd rounder would be my guess). With the drafting of Tebow, KO is a stop gap at best (which is what I had been saying for a year) and he is not the QB of the future for this club. I think KO value is going to be the highest now, in a year, he will be a FA and can walk, so I would say try to get the value for him now and not wait the year out. I have my doubts on Tebow, but McDaniels has signaled that Tebow is his guy, so there is no reason to waste a year with KO playing .500 football and letting him walk next year for nothing.
"Me fail english, that unpossible" - Ralph Wiggum
"Duffman is thrusting in the direction of the problem" - Duffman
"Good, bad, I'm the guy with the gun" - Ash from Army of Darkness
"H.I., you're young and you got your health, what you want with a job?" - Evelle from Raising Arizona
"It happens sometimes. People just explode. Natural causes." - Agent Rogersz from Repoman
agreed 100%
Its pointless to believe anyone is off limits. Much like john said, If some team offered the Broncos a 1st round draft choice the Broncos would be doing back flips.
If Wayne Gretzky can be traded anyone can be traded.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
Thanks for the news John!
"I cannot give you a formula for success, but I can give you the formula for failure: Try to please everybody."
Orton again worked with the first team but Quinn got just as many reps with the second unit during seven-on-seven drills.
uh yeah so did Chris Simms last year after Orton was named the starter .
Does anyone remember last year at this time during minicamp
May 30th 2009
Chris Simms has chucked his way back into the quarterback competition.
For most of the offseason, Kyle Orton appeared to be the front-runner to replace Jay Cutler as the Broncos’ new quarterback. It was Orton who had the most recent playing experience, going 9-6 in 15 starts for the Bears last season while Simms hasn’t played in nearly three seasons.
“I understand everybody else looking at it that way, but to me it doesn’t even matter,” Simms said. “Regardless, I’m coming out here trying to do my best, trying to learn the offense and compete. At the end of the day, you do your best and let the coaches make their decision.”
Simms clearly got more first-team reps in the passing camp session Thursday that was open to the media
Has Simms moved ahead of Orton in the quarterback competition?
“No,” Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said. “Same thing. Both of them will take reps with the (first team), and we’re going to keep doing that until it becomes clear and apparent, and it’s not yet. They’re both doing some good things, and they’re both making some mistakes. When one seems to put himself ahead of the other, then it will be an easy decision.”
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_12482090
June 14th of 2009
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4256553
McDaniels informed Orton of the quarterback news Friday night, and the former Chicago Bears quarterback took all the snaps behind the first-team offensive line during Saturday’s practice.
“There’s a lot of difficult aspects about what we ask our quarterback to do in our offense and Kyle has really grasped some of them more quickly than Chris did,” McDaniels said in explaining the move after the second day of a three-day minicamp at the team’s Dove Valley headquarters.
“I just think it puts them in a little bit of a pressure situation where now one of them has it and has to keep it and the other one has to get it,” McDaniels added. “They’re still going to compete with each other and I expect the competition to be the same that it’s been. They both have great attitudes and know that nothing’s determined in June.”
I really dont see what the fuss is its like the Post is spreading information and going out of there way to start a controversy. Orton has taken all the snaps unless they can say someone is playing better than him and as apparently they cant well then whats the problem.
I agree with everything you wrote in your intro.
I’m sure Denver would have loved to acquire a 1st round pick in the 2010 draft for Orton, but that was never going to happen. What also wasn’t going to happen was Denver giving Orton away via trade when he is locked up to a very team friendly contract in 2010 that does not tie Denver down beyond this season.
It makes no sense to trade Orton today unless a deal is too good to pass up. I doubt McD ever sees such an offer for Kyle so Orton should be under center for the foreseeable future (i.e. 2010).
I bet Denver would have parted with Elvis in a heartbeat for a 1st and 3rd round pick in the 2010 draft (assuming the contract offered to Elvis by another team was a market contract). The guy is an elite pass rusher, but teams still run right at him with too much success. Elvis is one dimensional, be it that his one dimension is a really great (and expensive) skill to possess.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
Can I just shoot the guy who did the rankings?
I mean seriously, he put Minnesota up there and stated its because they went 8-0….well….we went 6-0. But apparently that makes us a teir 4 team?!
Bite my orange and blue A**!!! That really pisses me off.
“If Tebow plays…Officially a Teir 5 Team” !!!!!! Alright Donkeys, we need to prove this guy wrong just like we proved Mr. Mackey…er….Clayton wrong last year… We need to prove we are a tier 1-2 team like we know we are.!!!
So pissed!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Kill the MSM!
That was Pat Kirwin of NFL networks, not John Clayton. And I don’t think you should murder him based on his preseason power rankings
He had Denver ranked in the same tier with Tenn, Houston, Carolina and the Jags. All those teams were in that 8-8 & 7-9 range last season.
I know many of you guys are uber McD fans and believe in the guy, but we finished 2009 going 2-8 with a ugly four gaming losing streak that included two home loses to teams in his tier 5 (or last place) rankings. I’m sorry, but it’s fair and reasonable to say (especially from an objective observer) that our season melt down doesn’t scream Super Bowl contender the next season. The Bronco team most of us watched looked like dog #### in our last game of the season as KC kicked our butts all over Investco. That is what many people remember and you can’t rightly blame the MSM for not drinking the McD Kool-Aid after the way 2009 concluded. We didn’t exactly head into this offseason with a head of steam. Trading away our best offensive skill player (by far) and drafting a bunch of long term project guys may not have set us up for big things in 2010 (at least in the eyes of the Denver hating MSM).
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
by McGeorge on May 25, 2010 10:19 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find it funny
Tennessee was 13-3 two years ago. Started slow last year but still managed to finish 8-8. They have the best Oline and Rb in the game and somehow Denver should be ranked ahead of them? It doesnt compute
Same with Houston and Carolina who played in a much harder division than Denver last year.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
by johnnystarr on May 25, 2010 10:27 AM MDT up reply actions
The guy had San Fran way too high. I think he called Alex Smith a very good QB. Kirwan must still think it’s 2005.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
I've heard good things about Smith this offseason
Of course, at this time of year thats all you ever hear from any NFL camp. However, for all the flake the guy has taken I wouldnt mind it if he stepped up and became a legit 1st string QB. Its not Smith’s fault he was a 1st overall pick.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
The rankings were accurate. We proved ourselves to be a very mediocre team based on our final record and dismal performance in December.
I’m down on losing BM – but I have hope for Thomas if he can live up to what I saw on film. Time will tell. I’m hoping for BM’s South Beach meltdown just so I can feel better. He may have been our most talented offensive player but he was a huge pain. Definitely not worth what the Dolphins gave up for him.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
I agree
The ranking were accurate however the ranking have no bearing whatsoever on how Denver actually does during the season. Although I generally read the preseason predictions I dont have the slightest concern when a writer puts Denver near the bottom. Most of the times Denver has started near the bottom they usually finish top 10.
I hope this is the case again this year.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
by johnnystarr on May 25, 2010 10:40 AM MDT up reply actions
Getting pissed at preseason power rankings is…
What am I saying.
Getting pissed and shooting dudes over ANY NFL power rankings, ALL of which mean less than nothing, is a bit much.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
ok....my joke
was taken WAY too seriously haha
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
That remains to be seen. Marshall may be exactly that Miami needs and he might get suspended for a long time with a single slip up.
Kind of like how Tebow may turn into a stud NFL QB or bust in dramatic fashion. It’s a little too early to call the Marshall trade a win for Denver and a fail for Miami.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
It is too early. But based on the contract given to BM Miami thinks he’s the most valuable receiver in the NFL. I think they are dipping their toe in the ‘fail for Miami’ pool. We’ll see.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
They got a pretty good team in Miami, definitely as talented as the one BM played on in Denver last year. Henne has more tools than Orton, they have a great running game, great LT and a few other WRs that played pretty well in 2009. Marshall is entering his prime and really showed he was adaptable last season when he put forth his best year under McD and Orton after having two good years under Shanny with Cutler. That is what versatility really looks like.
The guy really is a Top WR in the NFL, even if most at MHR doesn’t want to acknowledge this. I wouldn’t bet against Parcells being on the wrong end of the smart vs stupid spectrum.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
by McGeorge on May 25, 2010 11:55 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
The Tuna paid big for a one-hit wonder. Marshall was very good last year. Other than being thrown to a lot, I don’t see what was so special about him in 2007 and 2008. He caught a low share of the balls thrown to him, and when he did catch them, they went for low yardage. He fumbled a lot and scored touchdowns infrequently. Does that sound like one of the best wide-outs in the league?
Two 2nd-rounders and the top WR contract in the league for an upper-tier possession receiver with evolving injury and attitude issues. The criticism of Parcells isn’t about Marshall’s talent, it’s about the qualifcations on that talent: no field-stretching, iffy health, questionable attitude, proximity to a lengthy suspension.
by Chibronx on May 25, 2010 12:10 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
He put up better stats than Larry Fitzgerald and Calvin Johnson did in 2009 and folks at MHR love to fawn all over those two. The Johnson love is particularly vexing considering how bad the Lions are with him in the lineup. I know the next excuse… He’s young.. the same exact excuse that isn’t good enough to explain any problems Marshall had in 2007 or whatever.
If Marshall keeps up his current pace, he’ll be a first ballot HOF player and will be near the very top of few prestigious NFL receiving records (like catches, yards, consecutive 100+ catch seasons). Marshall is a better player than most a MHR give him credit for. No team in the leauge views him a possession “only” guy since every team we face had to gameplan for him.
I think you’ll see what I mean in 2010 when it’s clear we miss his contributions on the field.
For a guy with questionable health, he sure does seem to play in a lot of games. The suspension problems were more of a glaring risk a few years ago vs today. The questionable attidute relates to contract issues. No one likes being under paid. I’m not sure how I would have handled Marshall, but we are going to miss him more than you think.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
Royal and Gaff are going to find out it’s not so easy to get open vs #1 CBs with a safety nearby.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
Wait!
Gaffney had no problems against Brandon Carr and a 3 win KC team.
You probably get this a lot. This isn't the real Caesar's Palace is it?....Did Caesar live here?
You know where I wanna go? I'll tell you where. Someplace warm. A place where the beer flows like wine. Where beautiful women instinctively flock like the salmon of Capistrano. I'm talking about a little place called Aspen
My concern with Marshall
is that eights weeks of the season he looks like the best WR in football, four weeks he looks completely average, and four weeks he completely disappears. That’s very difficult to build a gameplan around.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 25, 2010 5:21 PM MDT up reply actions
Sounds like a good fit for McD’s plan attack where certain, but different guys are featured every week.
Marshall can be the man for 8 games and someone else like Royal, Moreno, Scheff or Gaff can carry the weight in other weeks.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
If only
you could predict which 8 games.
Ultimately I think the Marshall deal just came down to money. No way the Broncos were going to pay what Marshall wanted, so they dealt him while they still could. Better that then a Mutumbo deal.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 26, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions
I don’t follow basketball, but I agree.
McD seems to want a team of affordable players he hopes to scheme into good players.
I don’t think McD puts a very high marker on star talents like Marshall or Cutler. And thats fine if you can win with medicore guys like Orton, Royal, Ayers and Goodman.
I don’t get McD at all, but I don’t have to if he wins.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
I don't think he believes he can win with mediocre guys
like Orton, hence the drafting of Tebow. I think he believes he can develop players like Moreno, Royal, etc. into above average, or even elite, players.
No one considered Wes Welker an eleite receiver until 2007. But he is arguably more valuable to NE than Moss.
We will just have to wait and see whether he is rigth or not.
by SlowWhiteGuy on May 26, 2010 4:01 PM MDT up reply actions
You and I are arguing about degrees. Is he a Top WR in the league? Yep. Is he the top, #1 guy in the league? Nope. IMO Miami is putting themselves in a precarious position by paying him as such.
He was versatile when he wanted to be. But, he was also the same old Brandon when he wanted to be, too. What flavor will Miami get?
Anyways, all the top talent evaluators flub one now and again. While The Tuna is certainly one of the best – I question the amount of money they threw at BM. Like I said, we’ll see. BM’s good. But, is he THAT good?
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
I would still argue that
having beaten the pats, Cowboys, etc….we should have at least been ranked Teir 3 haha.
Either way I was not serious…I would never shoot anyone for pre-season power rankings!! Or any power rankings…I’d just hope that Denver would go out and TAKE IT!!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
We all hope for Denver to take it (win).
NFL power rankings are a time-suck. Nothing more. Don’t let them get you fired up for good or bad.
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
agreed for the most part.
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Is Robert Quinn the little brother of Richard Quinn?
Apparently this was the awesome, pre-injury Alphonso Smith.
I think they are both
the brother of Brady Quinn!!!
HAHAHAHA I kill me!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
Fantastic article
with fantastic points. Lombardi knows the Broncos better than any MSM journalist right now, so I tip my hat to him. He has done a more than fine job this offseason covering our team, and if I could personally shake his hand for sticking up for our coach and our moves to the guys who don’t know squat over there at NFLN (Jamie Dukes), I would.
A vision without a plan is just a dream. A plan without a vision is drudgery. But a vision with a plan can change the world.
by Sayre Bedinger on May 25, 2010 11:16 AM MDT up reply actions
There’s really only two guys I give much credence to in the MSM: Lombardi and Schefter (Schefter more for personnel moves – not overall football acumen).
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
And John Clayton. Guy is a genius.
"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge
Sharp as a bowling ball that guy!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
Recommended FanPosts
Recent FanPosts
Getting Social With MHR
Web Stuff
Certain photos copyright © 2012 by Associated Press or Getty Images. Any commercial use or distribution without the express written consent of Associated Press and Getty Images is strictly prohibited.
