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Great Expectations and the Downfall

With every draft, a few players are considered the next big thing. These are usually players in skill positions that are expected to reach great heights in the NFL. With each of these players that are drafted comes a new sense of joy among the fan base in general, better times await. With the arrival of this one player, our entire franchise can begin a new page in it's book. But their is a much sadder story that accompanies these players and their teams, and it is a self-inflicted one.

As we approach the 2010 season, with new players and a new mindset, something about the whole Tebow situation has been bothering me, and it has focused on these over-hyped expectations we have for the quarterback Tim Tebow.

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Over-Hyped Expectations:

Few players know about expectations then those taken in the first round of the draft, especially quarterbacks. No one really has high expectation for a UDFA, or someone taken in the later rounds. People general stick to grounded goals for these players, but for some reason, come round one, people start to lose their sense on reality. This seems to have taken hold this season, just like those in the past. The arrival of Tim Tebow to Denver has brought with it a whole new group of expectations for this young man. Now we are not uncommon, many teams have done this as well. But, like with the false expectations talked about above, these lead to more heartache and anger then anything else.

In the 2002 NFL Draft, the newly created Houston Texans selected quarterback David Carr at #1. Carr had a very successful career at Fresno State, and going into the season, the NFL in general had high hope for the guy. But then the Texan offensive line happened. Carr struggled and set all kinds of records in both pain received as well as sacks. Now he is in competition for the 2nd spot in San Fransisco, largely written off as a bust. But while a portion of his struggles can be blamed on him, almost all of it falls on the Texans offensive line. Had people said "Okay, David is a good player, but look at that line, man he might get sacked a lot." Then, well people wouldn't be upset when the obvious happened, his value would be higher, and people might still have expectations for this solid quarterback.

The years of 2005 and 2006 saw a wide difference of expectations. Players such as Alex Smith, Vince Young, Matt Leinart, and lets not forget Jay Cutler were all taken in the 1st round. Most of these players were hailed as the future of their franchises, with huge expectations, but at one point or another they have all lost their starting jobs. Some were forced for a season or two to sit a learn and now have a starting chance again. But if you look at another quarterback who had lower expectations, Aaron Rodgers, we possibly find the most successful quarterback drafted in a long time. Rodgers was a first round pick, but everyone knew he'd sit a year or two behind Favre, and he did, and now he's becoming one of the top quarterbacks in the league.

Now these are people, each having human traits which make then hard to quantify, so each case is arguable, but I do know this, players like Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, Jay Cutler, Byron Leftwich, and David Carr have all had their careers directly negatively impacted by over-hyped expectations.

Tim Tebow:

Now to Mr. Tebow. Tim has all the personal traits to be successful in the NFL, strong willed, diligent and a good worker. He has the great chance to succeed, become something great. But despite his strength of will, if we throw all of our hopes and dreams onto this young man, despite his desire, he will be crushed. We are allowed to be optimistic about Tebow, we can expect him to grow and be a good football player, but to laden him, this untested player, with these expectations is crazy. Where is this magical world do you people get the idea that because Tebow was a 1st round pick, he needs to start? Looking back to the draft of the 2000 season, I put a table together of the quarterbacks taken in the top two rounds.

 Here's a handy dandy table:

2008

Rookie Starter

Games Played as Rookie

Starter Now

Matt Ryan

Y

16

Y

Joe Flacco

Y

16

Y

Chad Henne

N

3

Y

Brian Brohn

N

0

N

2007

JaMarcus Russell

N

4

N

Brady Quinn

N

1

N

Kevin Kolb

N

1

Y

John Beck

N

5

N

Drew Stanton

N

3

N

2006

Vince Young

Y

15

Y

Matt Leinart

N

12

Y

Jay Cutler

N

5

Y

Kellen Clemens

N

2

M

Tarvaris Jackson

N

4

M

2005

Alex Smith

N

9

Y

Aaron Rodgers

N

3

Y

Jason Campbell

N

0

M

2004

Eli Manning

N

9

Y

Philip Rivers

N

2

Y

Ben Roethlisberger

N

14

Y

J.P. Losman

N

4

N

2003

Carson Plamer

N

0

Y

Kyle Boller

Y

11

N

Byron Leftwich

N

15

N

Rex Grossman

N

3

N

2002

David Carr

Y

16

N

Joey Harrington

N

14

N

Patrick Ramsey

N

9

N

2001

Michael Vick

N

8

N

Drew Brees

N

1

Y

Quincy Carter

Y

8

N

Marques Tuiasosopo

N

1

N

2000

Chad Pennington

N

1

N

As for demanding he start, here's a bit of info, from the five drafts from 2000 to 2008, of the 33 quarterbacks taken in the first two rounds, here are a few quick points:

- Only 6 started from game 1

- Only 9 saw more then 10 games their rookie season

- 3 have lost their starting jobs

- 11 players who sat their first season are now starters

- So in total out of the 33 only 14 are starters in the NFL now

- Since 2000, only 1 quarterback who was named the starter their rookie year has reached the Pro Bowl, Vince Young. Whereas of those who either saw limited playing time their rookie year or just sat, 8 have since reached the Pro Bowl, with 3, Vick, Brees, and Rivers, reaching multiple Pro Bowls.

I see no evidence, anywhere, to suggest starting Tim Tebow from game 1 is of any benefit.

I expect to see Tebow on the field next season, I don't want to have us cheering for him to start game one, if he doesn't win out in training camp. I expect to see Tebow throw the ball well next season, I don't expect him to lead us from behind ever game with huge runs and even bigger throws. I don't expect Tebow to be a team captain this next season, but I expect he'll leave a mark on the locker room. If we believe Tebow will shred the league up next season from game one, and he doesn't even start, then we will be disappointed, but if we expect to see Tebow play a few snaps a game, maybe in games that have been wrapped up, and he does okay, we should be happy. Fans are moody, it's even in sociology books, and because of this if a player, like Tebow does well in a limited setting, maybe if Orton is down for a week, he is called for by the fans to start full time, and then if he fails he is booed. This hot and cold climate is detrimental to a persons growth, only limiting the player. So for Tebow's and our own sake, please, be realistic.

There are countless quotations on expectations, most cliche, like:

Aim for the stars, even if you miss, you'll land on the moon

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Yea, well the moon sucks, all gray and lacking in oxygen. Nope, all those flying metaphors don't work. Usually the people who claim they can fly have just jumped out of a 20 story building, and in less then 5 seconds they will find out they can't fly. To me it would have been easier to just assume you can't fly and take the stairs, you are more likely to reach the top.

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Nice post...

I am not one that buys into statistics that much, especially when trying to guage the success of an individual. I have siad it before and will say it again:
MCD WILL PLAY WHO EVER WINS OUT IN CAMP.
I think Tebow has a lot more to offer than most QB’s on this list…not as a player….but as an individual that can handle that pressure.
It wll be interesting.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on May 9, 2010 3:35 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Tebow has never really had pressure

From other quarterbacks fighting for the same job, but I agree McD will start the best quarterback. As for the stats, well this is just looking at whether a player is starting or not, and those who started their rookie year are much less likely to either remain the starter or even reach the Pro Bowl.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 3:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

his experience with the Chris Leak situation his freshman yr probably taught him a few things.

We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin

by Orange and Blue on May 9, 2010 5:34 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good point

But he never had fear, outside of his freshman year, of losing his job. He was surrounded by some of the best players in college football and had one of the top head coaches as well. While he was competitive, it would have been more impressive if he’d been from Purdue or Cincinnati rather then Florida. There was an awesome post over at Stampede Blue about quarterbacks and the quality of players that surround them. Here’s the link. He put a great graph together showing how many players had been drafted from 3 years prior to the quarterbacks draft until 2 years after it. Tebow had an estimate 32, whereas someone like Drew Brees only had 11.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 9:12 PM MDT up reply actions  

Every once in a while one slips through the cracks...
In 2003, Maddox had a sub-par year statistically as the Steelers finished at a disappointing 6-10. After the 2003 season, the Steelers drafted a new quarterback, Ben Roethlisberger, in the first round, to give the position some youth. (Maddox was over a year older than his predecessor, Kordell Stewart.) Roethlisberger was given the starting job after Maddox was injured during a week 2 game against the Ravens, and responded by guiding the Steelers to 14 straight regular season wins and a trip to the AFC Championship game.

If Orton is the starter at the beginning of the season and has a boo-boo or falters then look out…

by bfree2bronc on May 9, 2010 6:16 PM MDT reply actions  

No doubt

But there are plenty of examples of rookies who either start the season and get pulled or tried to pull a Big Ben and don’t succeed.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 8:26 PM MDT up reply actions  

Elway??

I have not lived in Denver long enough to know the beginning of “The Dukes” career.

Was not Elway seen as the great one to start immediately, but struggled terrible in 1983? And was it not until he replaced the injured Steve DeBerg in 1984 that his career actually took off?

Let the QB competition begin.. but let us not rush to Tebow judgement. I’ll let McDaniels sort it all out.

To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also DREAM; not only plan, but also BELIEVE.

by Broncobh on May 10, 2010 9:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's the thing

People just assumed Elway rocked the world his rookie year, but he didn’t

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 12:38 PM MDT up reply actions  

And thats cool...nut it gave him valuable experience he learned from.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on May 11, 2010 5:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

Dan Reeves

said in later years that he had made a mistake by starting Elway so soon.

All that you behold, though it appears without, it is within, in your imagination, of which this world of mortality is but a shadow...and one day you’ll awake and find that you’ve never lived and never died, except in the dream.

William Blake

by bradley on May 11, 2010 6:05 AM MDT up reply actions  

Good read Max

I liked it very much. The fickle fans will be calling for Tebow to start at the first sign that “the Offense is not scoring points” or “Orton sucks and can’t lead the team”. Big mistake if McD starts Tebow under pressure. If and it’s a big IF Tebows signs a contract that is not as rich as it could be for his draft position then I see him sitting. But I think McD has a big man crush on Tebow and it might sway his judgement a little especially if Tebow signs a contract that is in line with his draft position. There seems to be a lot of pressure to do so with the amount of money involved. the Rodgers and River examples are different because there was high quality starters ahead of them. Tebow has Orton who in the minds of most fans in Denver (and to quite a few on MHR) is an adequate starter but no a quality starter.

IMO Orton is in a no win situation here in Denver and again IMO it sucks because he will never be given the chance to really show what he is capable of doing. most fans will be calling for Tebow.

Gave your post rec #4 again it was a good read

by papasteven on May 9, 2010 6:30 PM MDT reply actions  

Thanks for the comment

While many say McD will do his own thing, I think he does feel pressure, he does make mistakes, even if they are few. McD’s fascination with Tebow will help Tebow develop if given time, but may also rush Tebow before he is ready, cause the dream player to compare Tebow to, Steve Young, didn’t succeed till he was 30, and McD doesn’t have that long in Denver.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 8:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Sunshine

I think all this debate has been stirred up because of the serious, glaring, blinding amounts of sunshine being blown in Tebow’s direction.

But one thing I’m 100% sure of, training camp will see a serious showdown at the quarterback position! No simple posturing, this will be exciting to watch! I can’t recall being this ready to see some preseason football in a long time!

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on May 9, 2010 8:03 PM MDT reply actions  

I totally agree

I have no problem with Tebow, but I do have a problem with the hype and expectations that people are laying down.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 8:27 PM MDT up reply actions  

Big Shoes

to fill. Big #7 size shoes…

Still got your Creedence...

by OutOfYourElement on May 9, 2010 10:01 PM MDT reply actions  

He can grow into them

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 9, 2010 10:35 PM MDT up reply actions  

Gravity

bummer

Does maxwellsangel ever post? ;-)

by iSavant on May 10, 2010 1:41 AM MDT reply actions  

Haha

Not sure, darn mathematicians, not making angels to go with their demons.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 2:10 AM MDT up reply actions  

There is no gravity

The earth sucks!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on May 10, 2010 2:43 PM MDT up reply actions  

Good post Mr maxwell

I think Tebow’s psyche May be different than many rookie QB’s coming to the NFL.

This is all gonna be very exciting to watch unfold.

by iSavant on May 10, 2010 2:22 AM MDT reply actions  

Good point IS...thats the differeec there...the kids mental make up is off the charts.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on May 10, 2010 5:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

He's not the first bright, hard worker to come into the NFL

While he is unique in his personality is getting a lot of attention, his skill set isn’t unique, his work ethic isn’t unique, while there aren’t many like Tebow, but to say he is one of a kind is a bit of an exaggeration. Mental prowess doesn’t always lead to success in the NFL, Pennington is one of the smartest quarterbacks in some time, yet because of injuries and a not stellar team, he hasn’t done much. Rodgers is another very smart player, yet that may be in part to the fact that he got to learn behind Bretty Favre for a few seasons. Tebow could succeed as a rookie, but I have trouble seeing it, just because he has this mystical “it” factor.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 12:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I was thinking that he might have a degree of

… mental toughness above and beyond most rooks at that position. Drive and desire on top of that. Then add in a lot of Willingness to be actually coached.

None of any of that is implying that he is some Rhodes Scholar or even a Stanford grad.

Until TC starts, lets all just join in for a chorus of Anticipation, as sung by the incomparable Carly Simon.

and a one, and a two…

by iSavant on May 10, 2010 1:29 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha thanks for leading us in music

We don’t get enough of that.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 1:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

Excellent post and rec'd

"All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses." Friedrich Nietzsche

by Horsepower on May 10, 2010 9:20 AM MDT reply actions  

Good write.....

I don’t expect Tim to start but I don’t think Orton will either. My prediction, which I’ve stated before, is that Orton is gone for a 4th round pick. The fight for the start will be between Quinn and Brandstater, Brandstater will win—have a great year—and like Cassel net us a 1st round pick in a trade next year. After that Tebo steps in, becomes a superstar, and Quinn realizes he is a life-time 2nd and lucky to have the back-up job on a Super Bowl contender.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2010 3:35 PM MDT reply actions  

That's almost as bold as

13-3 Baby!

Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks

by KaptainKirk on May 10, 2010 4:08 PM MDT up reply actions  

Haha

Some like the kool-aid more the others.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 4:09 PM MDT up reply actions  

I guess we'll see...

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2010 6:55 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOL Kaptain.........

The funny thing is……………I bet I’m right on this call…….

Guardian of the Gate to La La Land!
Gonsoulin, Taylor, Wright, Gradishar, Atwater, Davis, and Sharpe...
Why are they not in the Hall...I just don't understand.

by Mike Clark on May 10, 2010 6:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Matt Leinart

Is the example I have watched closely, where awesome college stats certainly didn’t transfer immediately into good results in the NFL. Luckily the Cards had Mr. Warner to fall back on while he developed. Now that he has been sitting a few years I am much more optimistic about his potential as a starter. Let’s give Tebow some time to watch and learn before throwing him to the lions, jaguars, and bears.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick

by azdenfan on May 10, 2010 5:34 PM MDT reply actions  

Great point

Sitting has made Leinart a better quarterback, plus love the comment about the Lions and Jags and Bears, oh my. But I suppose since the Bengals are actually tigers, it might work better.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 10, 2010 5:40 PM MDT up reply actions  

I forgot about those tigers.

It’s a jungle out there. Great post, MD.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick

by azdenfan on May 11, 2010 7:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

I am a USC fan....big time....and a Leinart fan....

But Tebow has a lot more of everything than waht Matt Leinart has, This is not a good analogy in my book.
Being a fan of Kyle Orton, and not just the Broncos for a moment, if I was Arizona, I would be going after Kyle Orton. Orton would be a prefect fit for that system.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on May 11, 2010 5:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

I suppose this post wasn't supposed to be an analogy

More then showing how rare quarterbacks succeed when they start as rookies. It is shown that playing in some games help, but it is so rare for them to succeed.

I am a bear of very little brains and big words bother me.

by Topher Doll on May 11, 2010 10:41 AM MDT up reply actions  

The analogy, if there is one.

Might be that Mr. Whisenhunt stuck with the experienced, immobile, “game manager” (sorry Kurt) instead of the flashy young rookie. The results have been 3 playoff wins, a conference title, and a trip to the SB.

"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick

by azdenfan on May 11, 2010 6:16 PM MDT up reply actions  

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