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Broncos playing hardball with Dumervil - The Denver Post
According to an NFL Players Associations source, the Broncos recently sent a letter to Dumervil stating that if he didn't sign his restricted free-agent tender of $3.168 million by Monday, the team on Tuesday would exercise its right to reduce his 2010 salary to 10 percent above what he made the previous season.

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Dumerville deserves better

You can’t treat your high character stud players like poo and expect talent to want to come to Denver.

Penny wise — pound foolish.

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by margabelle on Jun 10, 2010 8:21 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Thank you, McG

I love Elvis, and he put up some big sack numbers, but I agree with you…his run D is lacking. He deserves to get paid, but on a level commensurate with being a great pass-rusher, not a great all-around ’backer. not at this point, anyway.

- Nick

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- Sun Tzu

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-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Jun 10, 2010 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Well...pass rushers get paid more generally than all round great Line backers.

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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by boydy2669 on Jun 10, 2010 8:49 AM MDT up reply actions  

With the good ones there's no generally about it

Very good edge rushers command huge contracts because they play a premium position. I agree with McG it’s all posturing because the Broncos want him to sign the tender first just like Kuper did, that way they can add a extension to the tender which is exactly what happened in Kuper’s case

by Bronco$ on Jun 10, 2010 9:59 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yes the team has a choice

And do not be fooled by the homer’s its a big story. What the letter says is, if you dont sign the tender by the 15th then your tender will go from 3.2 million to 110% of your 09 salary. Which is probably somewhere in the neighborhood of a half million dollars. Now with all that said, I support taking off the gloves IF this thing eventually gets done

by Bronco$ on Jun 10, 2010 10:06 AM MDT up reply actions  

That's an interesting statement and would make an interesting article.

Of course, it’s totally subjective what makes a “great all around linebacker,” but you’ve got me wondering…would a team be better off to pay a great pass rusher who is not so good against the run, or a linebacker who is great all around. I know great pass rushers are at a premium, but at what point does weakness against the run—or even being a liability in the run game — become a ’point of diminishing returns, and make the great pass rusher less valuable?

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Jun 10, 2010 10:23 AM MDT up reply actions  

Even I will come to McD’s aid when his case merits it.

We should not bend over for Elvis just because he kept his mouth shut. We have some leverage and we should be fair with the guy, not unnecessarily generous.

I think in the end, we will be. And getting Elvis a long term deal sooner vs later will really put a lot of pressure on San Diego with Vince Jackson and McNeil. Those two will be holdouts if Elvis and Kuper get paid and tthe cheap skate Dolt’s expect their RFAs to play on the one year tenders. Those guys will point out Elvis and Kuper and say “WTF”.

In signing Elvis soon, Denver has a great opportunity to really put the heat on SD’s front office. I’d love to see this.

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by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2010 12:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

One dimension doesn't cut it

He is really REALLY great at pass rushing, but that alone will not win us games. If it were up to me, I’d give him really good money (not like Ware, Allen, etc), but put incentives based on improving his run D (mainly) and his coverage (secondary) that would put his paycheck up there in the top 3. Everyone gets what they want…Doom gets a chance at an exceptional paycheck, the Broncos either have a really great pass rusher or a really great pass rusher who can do other things at a high level as well.

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by sadaraine on Jun 10, 2010 10:01 AM MDT up reply actions   3 recs

This makes A LOT of sense.

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
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by ncm42 on Jun 10, 2010 10:24 AM MDT up reply actions  

I

just want a new CBA so Elvis can get his riches under a cap. Let’s not play Russian Roulette and get a new CBA swiftly PLEASE

Brad James

by the new Bradfather on Jun 10, 2010 2:51 PM MDT up reply actions  

Please say it aint so. I really hope we don't ruin our chances of signing Doom to a long term contract

by alienating him with this kind of stuff. I know it’s a business yadda yadda yadda, but come on. The guy has done nothing but do it the right way and show a ton of class. We need to show the rest of the team that this is how it is done and lock him up. If players think that no matter what they will be shown the door then who is going to want to play for us long term? We need to keep leaders like Doom around. Hopefully Dumervil doesn’t get offended by this and still wants to be a Bronco for the long term.

by BroncoMath101 on Jun 10, 2010 8:22 AM MDT reply actions  

If he gets offended by a letter,

he’s already made a decision to want out, and there is no indication of that.

-Harvey J. Neptune

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by HarvJNep2n on Jun 10, 2010 8:53 AM MDT up reply actions  

If that report on the Broncos sending that letter to Dumervil is accurate

then Im extremely disappointed in the team.
Dumervil has come to Denver to work out voluntarely with the team…
sure, you’re working on a new deal with him, but did they seriously think Dumervil wouldnt sign his tender?
He lead the league in sacks last year, and if you want to keep him happy (and accept a deal thats both good for him AND for the team), then u don’t do stuff like this.

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by BroncosNL on Jun 10, 2010 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

Dudes...this is STANDARD procedure for ALL NFL teams. A letter is sent as a reminder that June 15th is the cut off date...nothing more, nothing less.....lets all just chill a little!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 10, 2010 8:25 AM MDT up reply actions   2 recs

but then why is everyone making such a big fuss about the Broncos doing something thats totally crazy

(thats how all the reports come across)…
I mean.. I read the Chargers and the Patriots sent out similar letters and nobody gave a ****.
Something I was wondering, doesnt a team have a choice? I mean… is it a team choice to lower a players salary, or is it league procedure that a team cant decide for themselves?

Bleeding Orange & Blue in The Netherlands

by BroncosNL on Jun 10, 2010 8:28 AM MDT up reply actions  

Yep...its the Denver Post...say no more. The team is moving in the right direction so they have to dredge up something!

Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 10, 2010 8:46 AM MDT up reply actions  

The two Charger players, Jackson and McNeill, are holding out as well.

They both want long term deals. This is just something that will happen around the league because of the CBA. I hope that Denver offers Dumervil the contract he so rightly deserves.

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by weazel on Jun 10, 2010 11:17 PM MDT up reply actions  

Thats what I was thinking

If the tender is up and no contract is signed then the 10% increase is the standard way to proceed. Right.

Now that that is over.....

by 3nS on Jun 10, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions  

There really is no standard

This is the first time there’s been so many RFAs. If by standard you mean the Chargers and Pats then yes

by Bronco$ on Jun 10, 2010 10:09 AM MDT up reply actions  

Hopefully this source doesn't have as much "inside" info as they claim to have. Hopefully this is an

“I overheard them discussing” type of source rather than someone with intimate knowledge. I want to show faith in this regime that they will do the right thing because IMO they have up to this point. Hopefully Bowlen and Josh and Doom’s agent get something together.

by BroncoMath101 on Jun 10, 2010 8:24 AM MDT reply actions  

The article also said...

That Elvis intends to sign the tender. Once that is done, like a lot of other players, the new deal can be worked out and the tender offer tossed. This is more press and anonymours sources inventing a story where none probably exists.

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by AlanC11 on Jun 10, 2010 8:29 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

The tender is actually "tossed"

A extension is actually added behind the tender, and the two contracts are married

by Bronco$ on Jun 10, 2010 10:10 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

correct, and good point

However, only the lawyerly amongst us may care since it’s a distinction without much difference — although true.

Most players would be concerned solely with whether they actually get the money, and not with whether it came as the result of two contracts rather than one completely new one.

The DP article has a ‘so what’ quality to it, too. If, as stated, all it takes to get the tender offer salary is to sign it, why not sign? There doesn’t appear to be a strategic goal that can be realized by not signing. The only thing that not signing accomplishes is preventing the Broncos from trading him, but I’ve seen no indications that either party wants this. And the whole point of a holdout — if he were to want this, hypothetically speaking — is to force the team to trade you if they refuse to meet your salary demands, so the player should want to sign in order allow a trade, assuming the hypothetical situation applies.

no goats, no glory.

by Colinski on Jun 10, 2010 3:52 PM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

If we are speculating here, as to why Doom wouldnt sign the tender

It’s just the last bit of leverage his camp posses, the players union really allowed itself to get put behind the eight ball here with these so called dooms day clauses that were intended to make it difficult for both parties to proceed without a CBA in 2011.

Well a holdout has a number of advantages for the player, if we are speaking generally here. It’s really not that bad of an idea, especially if the two sides are very far apart. I think the main misconception here is people dont think this is a big deal, but it will be enormous; like it the neighborhood of 40 mil guaranteed. So all this posturing is potentially worth 10s of millions of dollars.

I laugh at all the garbage talk about Doom not being a good run stuffer, the guy had 17 sacks in his first year at OLB. We are talking about a elite talent at the 3rd highest paid position in football. It goes QB, CB, and then edge rusher in that order.

by Bronco$ on Jun 10, 2010 9:42 PM MDT up reply actions  

I hope that's the case and that Doom understands that it is just standard procedure. Maybe Josh or X even talked to Doom

about it prior to sending it out. If they kept him in the loop or made him aware then this is probably a non-issue. Hopefully it is just the media head hunting Josh and the Broncos as usual and not a big deal. It is June and there isn’t much to write about.

by BroncoMath101 on Jun 10, 2010 8:36 AM MDT reply actions  

I’ll reserve judgment until this is proven fact. Up to this point I have agreed with many of the front office moves. But, don’t dink around with Doom. He’s THE epitome of character, team player, class and physical abilities. He deserves to be paid.

My prediction is he will be paid accordingly.

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge

by SSMT on Jun 10, 2010 8:37 AM MDT reply actions  

sign him

and show your other players what happens when you buy into a system and produce. this isn’t rocket science.

by slicka on Jun 10, 2010 8:42 AM MDT reply actions  

I was really hating your avatar until I read that term kicking specialist. Now I think it is funny.

It’s not rocket science and Elvis will have a new deal in a few weeks. It just won’t be for the kind of money he wants. The CBA will force him to take a bit of a discount over FMV.

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by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2010 8:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

I think most of you are more intellegent than how the media want you to be...

The Denver Broncos are going to sign Elvis Dumerville to a multi-million dollar contract! What they want him to do is sign the tender and get that out of the way so they can get the rest of their draftee’s signed before TC. Don’t worry he will get him payday, he is to valuable to not get it. The media is just posturing and making noise…Just to get you all riled up!

by bfree2bronc on Jun 10, 2010 8:47 AM MDT reply actions  

Exactly. Like I said, the article establishes nothing. Similar to the media-driven hysteria regarding the imminent Kyle Orton trade that us at MHR took the bait on.

by swg777 on Jun 10, 2010 8:51 AM MDT up reply actions  

There is nothing to see here...

I read the article and I’m waiting for the part where they establish the Broncos are playing hardball with Doom. If sending a letter out that states something factual (that is actually probably a formality) is hardball, then I would hate to see what softball is. There is so much we just take from the media and accept. They paint this artificial world for us and we take it hook, line, and sinker.

Elvis will get his contract.

by swg777 on Jun 10, 2010 8:50 AM MDT reply actions   1 recs

What Elvis is asking for is what matters here. That’s the important variable. But it’s still way early.

 Ware is a better player than Doom. He shouldnt expect that kind of money. $8m-$10m is okay. Above that and he puts oour FO in a tough position.

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by Orange and Blue on Jun 10, 2010 8:51 AM MDT reply actions  

You just have to read between the lines with Klis articles.

“the Broncos threw a cut block at NFL sack king Elvis Dumervil.”

“Would the Broncos really play hardball with their Pro Bowl linebacker by paying him a relative pittance?”

“Although such letters are not uncommon, and Dumervil had intended to sign his tender this weekend, the Broncos declined to make the goodwill, negotiating gesture of not reducing his salary if he opted not to sign.”

To me it seems like most of his piece is centered around opinion and conjecture…

P.S. how do you make those little quote box things?

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by Gr3yStreet on Jun 10, 2010 8:55 AM MDT reply actions  

Yeah, I want to know about the quote box things too.

by swg777 on Jun 10, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Just use the quotation marks and it will go into a box!

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Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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Calijoefornia.

by boydy2669 on Jun 10, 2010 8:56 AM MDT up reply actions  

Highlight what you want in the box and click the quotation button. It's the fourth button from the left.

Bold, italics, strikethrough, and then quotebox.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 10, 2010 8:58 AM MDT up reply actions  

Thanks!

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by Gr3yStreet on Jun 10, 2010 9:01 AM MDT up reply actions  

HA HA…That’s funny!

by bfree2bronc on Jun 10, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

To me it seems like most of his piece is centered around opinion and conjecture…

As if you expected anything different?

"Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan "press on" has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race" Calvin Coolidge

by SSMT on Jun 10, 2010 9:26 AM MDT up reply actions  

Guys, this isn't a huge issue.

Check out this quote from McDaniels from a June 8th (two days ago) yahoo story.

“When it gets done, it progresses really fast and everybody is content with the result and when it’s not done, while you’re working on it, everybody can say what they want. We’re going to continue to work. We know what we want and we know what they want and we’re trying to make it happen."

Let me restate that.

…and we’re trying to make it happen.

Isn’t this a bold (and, as of today, accurate) prediction?

…while you’re working on it, everybody can say what they want.

The DP has to put up pieces every day and sometimes they have filler articles to fill the spaces, but I couldn’t find any indication of animosity between Doom and the Broncos in that article. Until the deal gets done, we can talk, debate, worry, doubt, and hit each other with sticks but it doesn’t mean that any of it is worthwhile because things happen behind closed curtains. We have no reason to assume that the Broncos and Doom are or aren’t in contract discussions. These letters that are sent out are just an NFL protocol that are used by every team. If the deal gets done in the next week or so then it’s no big deal. This letter becomes null and void and we move on with our lives.

With that said, if Doom comes out with a statement this afternoon and says he’s pissed like San Diego’s Jackson and McNeil, then we have a whole new story. But since that hasn’t happened, I think we’re still in good shape to get a Doom deal finished.

In my opinion, the DP is just causing a stir.

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by Troy Hufford on Jun 10, 2010 9:16 AM MDT reply actions   2 recs

Its kind of like when

you setup a scheduled payment with a creditor that will be late. They have to keep calling you every day until the payment happens…but they know its going to happen….

bad analogy?

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by DenBronx on Jun 10, 2010 9:20 AM MDT up reply actions  

haha, your analogy wasn't lost on me.

That’s sort of what it’s like, although there is interest and stuff in your analogy. If you factor that out, then yes. lol

I was watching Pawn Stars on the History Channel (well, actually on Hulu.com, but anywho…). When you pawn something, you have 141 days to return it before it becomes property of the Pawn Shop. A week or two before that happens, they will send you a letter letting you know that the deadline is approaching. I think that’s a pretty decent analogy that applies here, too.

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Jun 10, 2010 9:40 AM MDT up reply actions  

Although, there is interest to be paid in this analogy, as well....

If Taylor Swift were to try and tackle me, I'd let her.
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by Troy Hufford on Jun 10, 2010 9:50 AM MDT up reply actions  

Not a bad analogy

But it’s more like a girlfriend/wife who says they’ve forgiven you for whatever it may be, but you know it’s just a matter of time until it is brought back up as something to hold against you.

That’s a bad analogy. LoL

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 10, 2010 9:45 AM MDT up reply actions   1 recs

Sadly...

that’s an analogy I’m guessing most of us subconsciously started nodding our heads at in agreement while reading it!

- Nick

"Know the enemy, know yourself, and victory is never in doubt, not in a hundred battles."
- Sun Tzu

"if you look close, there’s a hoodie lurking in the background of picture 4. similar to the classic sasquatch shot and equally stunning, as the denver temperature today is relatively fair."
-oxmouth

by ncm42 on Jun 10, 2010 10:25 AM MDT up reply actions  

lol damn

you are correct. and yes I’m sure most if not all of us have expereinced that.

"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison

"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble

by DenBronx on Jun 10, 2010 11:47 AM MDT up reply actions  

Women never forget..

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Philip K. Dick

by azdenfan on Jun 10, 2010 4:20 PM MDT up reply actions  

Exactly and it's just a formality the team has to present him with giving him time to respond.

RFA’s have a cut off date (June 15th) to get their tenders signed and there are requirements to be met by both partys…

by bfree2bronc on Jun 10, 2010 9:32 AM MDT up reply actions  

Alright

Now, more than any time this offseason, do I want to just skip some days and have it be past the 15th….. Or we could just skip to the end of July. Now what’d I do with that cryogenics sleep chamber, free pass for a month?

Thanks for the Horse Tracks!

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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 10, 2010 9:47 AM MDT reply actions  

And congrats to CU on their Pac-10 move. That was brave and the right thing to do. Should serve their University well in terms of athletics, revenue and most importantly, academics.

In pretty much every way… Stanford, Cal, USC, UCLA > Texas Tech, Iowa State, Kansas State.

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by McGeorge on Jun 10, 2010 12:23 PM MDT reply actions  

I'm loving that

I haven’t been able to follow the Pac-10 much since moving to CO in 1979.

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by KaptainKirk on Jun 10, 2010 8:28 PM MDT up reply actions  

LOVING a real challenge by the west!! SEwho?

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by Whidbey Bronco on Jun 10, 2010 9:46 PM MDT up reply actions  

Too many people are over reacting to this

Have the Bronocs treated their players fairly in the past? Pat Bowlen is still in charge; why would that change?

We need to trust management.

Dumervil has performed very well (exceptional at sacks), but he also has limitations at both his current position (OLB) and his previous position (4-3 DE). If he ultimately will not accept anything less than NFL top 5-10 DE-OLB money, then it would be a management mistake to pay that much. It would detract from our future ability to obtain/retain the other high performers necessary to have a top team.

It appears that both management and Dumervil are working towards a good solution. Unfortunately, the media loves controversies and is stirring the pot to attract readers/viewers. This is not helpful.

I want Dumervil to be signed long term too, but whatever happens, I have confidence Broncos management is looking out for both the present and future. Actually if I have any concern, it is that pressure on McD and Xanders to win now will resuilt in overpaying Dumervil. So if there is no long term agreement, that is indicative that Dumervil is demanding more money than is in the best future interest of the Broncos.

by cohiker on Jun 10, 2010 2:01 PM MDT reply actions   2 recs

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