Truth or Dare: Is the Broncos’ Secondary Too Old?
Age may be "just another number", but in a league in which people seem to age in dog years, it has become a significant factor in player evaluations. Swept up in the general obsession with arbitrary benchmarks, the number 30 - as in 30-years-old - has taken on a great deal of importance. Well then, it's no wonder that so many are so concerned about the current state of the Denver Broncos secondary. After all, their four starting defensive backs are a combined 128 years old (i.e. roughly half of Al Davis' estimated age). Besides the fact that they are each over 30, however, they also share a far more important common trait: they're all still very good at what they do.
You can't have a discussion about the greatest corner back or the best safety in the history of pro football with including Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins, respectively. Moreover, you'd be hard-pressed to find a better pair than Andre Goodman and Renaldo Hill with which to round out a defensive backfield in the league today. They may be inching ever closer to retirement with each and every superlative season gone by, but don't let the eventual end of their careers overshadow the continued brilliance of their play. When your prime is as spectacular as Bailey's and Dawkins' or as solid as Goodman's and Hill's, it can take quite a while for the downswing of their careers to manifest itself as a noticeable decline on the field. You need look no further than the 2009 season to see that they each still have plenty left in the tank; if you dig a little deeper, there are reasons to believe that they may be even better as a group in 2010.
No matter what metric you prefer, the 2009 Denver Broncos were among the top ten in the NFL in terms of pass defense. Personally, I'm a fan of quarterback rating as a sort of catch-all rate statistic. I realize that it has its shortcomings, but I still believe that it is the single best stat for the purposes of evaluating a passing game. Given that, the Broncos ranked 8th in the league by limiting opposing QBs to a mediocre 75.0 rating. If it helps to put a face to that number, then picture veteran Matt Hasselbeck (75.1) and first-year starter Chad Henne (75.2), or the meager passing attacks of the Tennessee Titans (74.8) and Chicago Bears (75.6). The secondary managed that despite a pass rush that struggled to yield results outside of Elvis Dumervil's league-leading sack total and a run defense that was easily amongst the worst in the NFL. They also faced most of the best passing games in the league. Breaking down the stats even further reveals that the four aforementioned starters were even better than those overall numbers might suggest.
Throughout 2009 and the subsequent offseason, there have been whispers about the fall of Champ Bailey. Long considered the standard bearer at his position and the rightful face of the Broncos franchise, there can be no doubt that Bailey is no longer the best corner in the league: that honor now belongs to Darrelle Revis of the New York Jets. It's also fair to say that he is no longer at the top of his game. That said, the reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated. The fact of the matter is that Champ's apparent decline is more a factor of what is going on around him than an indictment of his individual play. For perhaps the first time in his career, he is surrounded by teammates in the secondary that can regularly shutdown the opposing team's other receivers. According to Football Outsiders, the Broncos ranked 3rd in the NFL at containing #2 wide receivers and 2nd at limiting all other WR. They were also 9th best at preventing running backs from contributing in the passing game. In that light, the comparatively paltry 11th overall ranking against opposing #1 receivers - of which Bailey is largely, if not exclusively responsible for (if not by scheme, then by reputation) - is more excusable. Simply put, ppposing QBs simply had to throw Champ's way, because the gap between him and the stars that he covered was not as wide as that which was established almost everywhere else on the field. In fact, Denver only truly struggled in covering tight ends (ranked 27th by FO) and that can't be pinned wholly on the secondary, seeing at how that is at times the responsibility of linebackers and the fact that the weak run defense forced a safety into the box as a necessary reinforcement. Overall, Football Outsiders rated the Broncos as the 6th best pass defense in the league.
Someday, maybe sooner rather than later, the four men that currently occupy the top of the Denver Broncos depth chart at defensive back will be compelled to retire. For Bailey and Dawkins, that'll mean the beginning of a short wait until their induction in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. For Goodman and Hill, it'll probably be a largely unheralded farewell for two players who, despite the efforts of those like me to shine a spotlight on their worthiness, will likely continue to be underrated by the mainstream media and the public at large. Right now, however, they remain stalwarts in the secondary, the backbone of the Broncos defense and the cornerstone of Denver's success. I fully expect them to continue to play well as individuals and improve as a unit after an impressive year of playing together. They are each the sort of player who not only supplements their tools with hard work and plenty of study, but whose overall character, work ethic and experience alone are enough to lift them past many others who rely solely on their physical gifts.
Maybe the critics and skeptics are right, and I'm wrong. Maybe the 2010 Denver Broncos are a fatally flawed team because they have become overly reliant on a secondary that is moving from "veteran" to "old" right before our eyes and we simply refuse to acknowledge it. Well, if that's their truth, then I dare them to try and prove it. Champ, Dawk, Goodman and Hill are shining counterexamples to those who insist that it's either talent or good character. And, you know what? I'd rather go down swinging with men like those four than roll the dice on some unsavory characters for a chance at fleeting, stained glory. I fully expect Denver's defensive backfield to be amongst the best in the league once again and, along with a revamped defensive line and retooled linebacking corps, the defense as a whole will carry its weight and more in 2010. All that, and I didn't even mention the up and coming next generation of star DBs developing under our current starters' wings, but they'll have to continue to wait for their time in the sun just a while longer, because the veterans are not done yet.
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I still think they are as good a secondary as any in the league
but this season McBath, Bruton, Smith and to an extent Cox have to step up and make some important plays and one of them needs to be able to take over a starting position.
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
The secondary is better then most of the league...
…it’s the run that cost us a lot last year and hopefully McD resolved that problem for this year. If it works, we are in business :)
I could see McBath overcoming Hill this season
but more based on how good McBath looked last year before his injury than because of a decline in Hill’s skill.
I don’t think any of the other young DB’s will be taking over a starting position though (barring injuries of course).
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
I agree McBath is the guy i am looking at to take a big step this year
"The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
Agree
My guess is Dawk gets pulled on 3rd and longs for McBath (and/or Bruton/Barrett occassionally) relatively consistently this year, even if he doesn’t beat out Hill for the starting slot (possible). Having multiple safeties out there that can play centerfield will really open up the blitz possibilities.
The iggles dropped Dawk because he’d slowed down just enough that cover-1 was difficult for him… I’m excited to see what McBath can do.
Champ is still great
Do you know how many touchdowns he allowed last year? Yup. NONE. Targeted roughly 100 times and never gave up a touchdown. I love our secondary and can’t wait to see what our defense plays like this year.
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by BroncoInExile on Jun 11, 2010 11:41 AM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Champ is awesome even getting beat a couple of times...
I’m not sure where the data came from that he was never beaten for a TD as I recall watching at least 1 or 2, maybe it was someone else’s responsibity to cover deep on his side on a double move? Stat guys please help me out here but I think he did get beat for a couple TDs last year. I still agree if he wins 90% + of the battles and a grater number on deep routes the man is awesome! He seems to be clean as a whistle and plays with a smile almost all of the time, that matters. My kids see it, he’s the boys #1 Bronco and since Lynch retired the girls are coming over as well :)
Nope. Zero TD’s allowed by Champ in 2009. Link.
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support rather than illumination."
- Andrew Lang (1844-1912)
I saw three times that Champ got beat for a TD.
And these were man-on-man but if the NFL stats men say different due to coverage then thats their job. Remember stats are stats. Here are 2009 for Bailey.
Profootball, Focus- 49 rec 591 yards 1 TD
Stats, Inc- 47 rec 624 yards 0 TD
Well, what Profootball Focus overlooked
was that the TD in question was scored by Hines Ward who was playing in the slot in that play. Whomever Ward scored on, it was not Champ because Champ doesn’t cover against the slot. It looked as if Champ was beaten, but that was because he was the player closest to Ward when Ward scored. But Ward was not Champ’s man on that play . . .
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BILLY THOMPSON GOT SHAFTED!!
you probably saw him attempting to assist some one else
Often times the guy trailing the reciever into the end zone is not the guy who got beat. Rather it is someone who saw what happened and tried to come off his man and help out but got there late.
TV and football are great together but you can miss a lot of the big picture of how a play developed into what you saw.
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I dare you to proclaim yourself as a Raider fan
thats about the worst thing I could think of – sorry man!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
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lol I could think of some worse ones.....
I dare you to walk into a game at the black hole in the wall…..wearing nothing but your broncos Jersey and an F%$# the Faiders!! sign on your chest!!! HAHAHAHA
oh and not allowed to bring backup!!
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I'd like to see that!
I double dog dare you!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
haha,
yea well I infinity dog dare you!!
"I have not failed. I've just found 10,000 ways that won't work."
- Thomas Alva Edison
"Success is not a place at which one arrives, but rather... the spirit with which one undertakes and continues the journey."
- Alex Noble
ROFL
Now this is funny. Thanks.
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Excellent breakdown
I’m equally excited to see how the young guys, who are learning under some of the best to ever play, are coming along. Obviously McBath and Bruton have both shown that they can play at a high level, but these young CB’s have a LOT to prove. I’m talking to you Phonz!
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by JChase8410 on Jun 11, 2010 11:47 AM MDT via mobile reply actions
Don't get it
If a player comes out of college at 23 or 24 then takes 2 to 3 years to learn his position then after playing 3-4 more years he’s considered old. The only player I’d consider old in NFL years is B-Dawk and considering Darrell Green as well as a few others played D-back until their 40’s, I’d say he’d probably has a good couple of years left in him.
Now that that is over.....
Dare to say...
I think as a group our DB’s will be one of the best in the AFC this season, why? Our Dline is much better and our hibrid OLBers have improved with Ayers and great depth. Our offense should excel and help keep the D off the field thereby keeping them fresher for the 2nd half of the season.
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Nice post EJ,
We are set for starters in the defensive backfield, and at safety we have a couple of good players stepping up. But, like others have stated, the corner position backups need to prove they can play.
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I'll take the Physical Challenge
Oh wait, you didn’t already Double Dare me… And that’s a totally different game…. ;)
Great post man, I feel We have the most talented secondary in the league… And that’s my objective viewpoint…. But then again I’m pretty danged bias, so that may be a stronger force than this Jedi can counter.
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by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 11, 2010 1:38 PM MDT reply actions
Thanks EJ for injecting hope back into the secondary
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
rec'd btw
We live in an age when instant gratification isn't fast enough
by Brian Shrout on Jun 11, 2010 1:52 PM MDT up reply actions
Well said
I’m glad that I haven’t read any of these articles. It seems to me like the only, and I do mean only, part of our team that gets any respect is the aging secondary. You are right about Champ – he is far from done. His work ethic and drive will keep him as a top cover corner for a few more years at least. He’s just that good and that smart.
the only issue i'm worried about is..
…. that they’re all probably gonna retire together. that one year our entire starting secondary is going to have to retire since they’re all about the same age. maybe dawkins will retire earlier but for the most part, they’re all prolly at the same point in their career. i like our younger backups, so hopefully they’ll be ready to start soon!
You're only as old as you play.
And if they play well, they’re not too old. If they don’t, they are.
Why hate on your OWN team when you've got the Raiders?
A new day
Can anyone tell me why the so-called experts are saying 8-8 this year? JM has improved the Oline (there’s depth now, and bigger), brought in new blood on the DL line, some great WR’s are still here and Thomas and Decker are going to contribute, and the team started 6-0 last year with Orton (who was later injured, and then the rushing defense collapsed). The DB’s are great. So, what’s the problem? Yes, BM is gone, but hey, that’s one of 53, and JM has shown that he can put an offense out on the field that can score points with the players he has . . . witness 08 and the incredible output at NE. I don’t care how you swing it, the position players aren’t that much better—it’s the system (and up front blocking) that count. Just wondering why the “experts” expect a mediocre season based on what’s happening with personnel . . .
Becase most of those experts see Marshall as the "Only offenseive threat the Broncos had"
But I have seen and heard anywhere from 5-11 due to “losing the whole locker room” after the BMarsh trade (thank you Alfred Williams) to 10-6 from people i consider experts on MHR.
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I Defy
anyone to have great success against this secondary. Even the great Peyton Manning had his struggles in the Colts-Broncos game last season
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jun 11, 2010 2:54 PM MDT reply actions
If one falls, as is likely to to due age:
Nate Jones although not spectacular can fill in if it’s early. Hard to believe that at least one of these guys can’t step up:
Alpohnso Smith, a corner leaning nickel last year, Tony Carter hung around and played fairly well at nickle last year. 2 rookies with incredible potential but some issues might be serious players Perrish Cox and Syd’Quan Thompson. My bet is Perrish Cox, with Bailey’s tuttelage, realizes the difference between where he was and where he should be and challenges in camp. Foxworth came under his wing and we dumped him early, me thinks we have one here.
Foxworth wasn't worth the money he got elsewhere
Shanny traded Foxworth a year early because he’s nowhere near worth the contract he demanded as a FA. It was a case of getting a little something for the guy (who was just going to be our nickel anyway) rather than wait a year and let him walk for nothing.
Like B-Marsh, he’s a solid player… but not as solid as his money would indicate.
Maybe the critics and skeptics are right, and I’m wrong. Maybe the 2010 Denver Broncos are a fatally flawed team
Nope. Great read, agreed, and rec’d
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
by Alex on Jun 11, 2010 6:59 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Bw reminded that Crockett, Braxton, Atwater, Gordon
Were 31, 34,34 and 28 respectively for the Superbowl XXXIII team.
Also, Hanady, Champ’s his ex split town with their third grader in midseason last year and they didn’t know where the child was taken. I don’t blame him for looking distracted for a couple of games. I couldn’t believe he played and showed great poise.
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by littletinybroncos on Jun 11, 2010 8:41 PM MDT reply actions
Ask Romo
Go ask Tony Romo if Champ Bailey is just another CB even at his age.
I think the secondary is fine the way it is, especially considering the wealth of young talent waiting in the wings. What happens if Dawkins’ play drops off this year? Darcel Mcbath gets to play more, while Dawkins at the peak of his game is clearly an all time great, but Mcbath has shown in very limited time that he is a very talented player.
Andre Goodman is a very solid number 2 CB, he has a few limitations in run support and some times gives a bit too big a cushion, but then how many CBs in the league do you expect to never get beaten? Champ is not solar eclipse he used to be, but he is still a very good CB who contributes in every aspect of the game. Waiting behind him is Al Smith, Perish Cox and Nate Jones, a pretty decent crop of players.
by gyldenlove on Jun 11, 2010 9:25 PM MDT reply actions 1 recs
Good to remember
what defense is supposed to look like. ( ;
That's quite a long handle there, G Funk. - That's what she said.
First (and only, in our lifetimes) team to three consecutive SB wins!!!! ( =
by PearlJamBroncoGFunk on Jun 15, 2010 5:43 PM MDT up reply actions
My only real concern is that with age comes increased chance of injury
That is it. I actually think that as a group with their experience most of this group could “lose a step” and still be able to play at a very high level.
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