Potent Quotables - Josh McDaniels, Daniel Graham, Jarvis Moss (6/13/10)
DENVER BRONCOS MINICAMP (JUNE 13, 2010)
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HEAD COACH JOSH McDANIELS
On situational drills
"Well, I mean, obviously, since we’re on both sides of the situation, both sides aren’t going to be exactly happy with the result but I think the thing we were trying to get across today was the awareness of the situation and how to play it the right way. I think I’m very pleased with our communication and the fact that we have 11 players on each side – usually when the situation is being played out – (that) understand what we’re trying to get done and how we’re trying to win that play. So in that regard, I thought it was very productive and night-and-day from last year at this time. This year, I think our guys really understand where we’re going with this stuff and they played it well."
On the team
"I think I’m proud to be their coach. This is a group of players that come to work with a great attitude every day. The reason we say we want high-character players is because you can eliminate distractions that don’t allow you to keep your focus on winning football games. I think they’re really dedicated to trying to do everything they can to win and that includes not creating anything within our own building that could hurt our opportunity to do that. (I’m) very pleased with the leadership, very pleased with the quality of people we have in there and also very excited about the talent that we have in that locker room."
On the roster makeup
"I just think it’s been something that I was fortunate to be around a bunch of teams that were pretty much assembled in a similar way in that regard – I’m not talking about scheme or anything else; I’m just saying that the focus on trying to eliminate distractions that you can control within your own building is something that I think just gives you more time to focus on football. It’s hard enough to win in this league as it is and if you put time towards other things other than (winning), you know, you’re probably going to fall behind at some point."
On whether Broncos CB Perrish Cox would be the No. 1 returner if there was a game tomorrow
"No, Eddie Royal (would be). Perrish was back there today getting a lot of that work. I think Perrish is definitely going to help us - he's got a long way to go to be a dependable returner, I would say at this point. I would say that's true of any rookie in the return game. We talk about ball possession and catching the football and playing the wind and all that stuff. There are a lot of days left for him to improve in that regard before we would stick him out there and trust him with the football at this point but he really works hard every day after practice catching the ball and really has improved since he got here. He's certainly a player who is capable of helping us in the return game significantly but right now, I think Eddie has a strong hold on both of those (jobs)."
On the punting competition
"Again, I think Britton (Colquitt) is ahead. We've done a lot of different situations, we've charted them, we've put them in some tough predicaments and we've monitored their progress. I think both players have really improved a lot in 16 practices and I think, you know, it's always good to have young players pushed. Again, that's a competitive situation, you know, like we have at a lot of places on our football team, and I think that's only making both of them better but at this point, I'd say that Britton has kind of pulled ahead."
On what he expects from the team during the rest of the offseason before training camp starts
"We finish the offseason program here with just two weeks of the offseason program left and then after that they get some time to rest before we come back. You know, they'll all want to try to stay in shape - we don't want to come to training camp in poor shape, in poor condition and they know that. We'll go through the conditioning test and making sure they're doing some things on their own. Some of them may be here certainly, and if they are, they can work out and condition at the facility but we've put in a lot of time and a lot of hard work and after the next two weeks here to finish up the offseason program they've really earned some time, you know, to just kind of relax and get their minds off football for a little bit and then come back refreshed hopefully and ready to go for a long stretch."
On how the defense has changed under defensive coordinator Don 'Wink' Martindale
"It's exciting for us because we have changed some of what is going on with the defense. "Wink's" personality has kind of injected some things into our defense. I think they are excited every day to come in here. I think we have more depth at most positions right now on the defense than I think we did last year. We are deep on the defensive line. We are deep in the secondary. We've got a lot of younger players behind some veteran players that we are not going to be afraid to play at all because we know it's a long season and we need to make sure that we rest those players. Those young players have earned that right. We are excited about that and think that will really help us stay strong defensively throughout the year. There's a lot that's left until training camp. We haven't seen anybody hit anybody or try to win the line scrimmage or try to see how physical we are. We have a feeling we are going to get better in that area. All of us are kind of excited for August 1."
On what is going to be different defensively
"There's going to be some players that move around a little bit more than we did last year. I think we have more versatility with what we've got inside and then some of our linebackers are playing different positions. I think we moved (Mario) Haggan some around the line of scrimmage. Again, he is going to be playing off the ball, and then there will be times when he is on the ball. So, the scheme itself is definitely an added dimension or two in terms of the way we might try to pressure, you know. Some of the base coverages that we are going to play a lot of are different from last year. We are very focused at trying to get good at a good core group of things in both the offense and defense in the spring. I think our players have really focused on trying to master those things and we will feel really good about going into August in terms of their understanding."
On LB Robert Ayers
"Again, he's fine and again, I commend him for the work he has done and the way he has approached this entire offseason. That's something that I think has resolved itself and I think we are all excited to move forward with that - I know Robert is.
On the roles of Ayers and Moss
"They are going to be competing. I mean, we will probably be moving them in and out. We have multiple guys that we can kind of move around at that position. Because of some of the things we will try to do in our nickel and dime and third down packages, we may try to rest a guy here and there so they can play on third down also. It will be interesting to see how they handle it, but I think both of them have improved because of it and we are going to let that play out."
TIGHT END DANIEL GRAHAM
On this season compared to last season
"It's a lot better out there. The young guys are coming along, you know. Some guys feel more comfortable in the whole system and what coach is trying to do with this camp.""
On how he feels camp went this weekend
"We had a good spring camp and (we are) trying not to let all this go to waste right now. We still have a lot to learn and a long way to go. We are just looking forward to the season this year."
On how comfortable he is with the team right now
"It's a lot more comfortable feeling. Guys understand more than we did last year. We are comfortable on both offense and defense. You know, we are just having a lot of fun out here right now."
On his thoughts on Colorado (his alma mater) joining the PAC-10
"I'm excited, because when I retire I can take some trips to the West Coast."
LINEBACKER JARVIS MOSS
On the upcoming season
"I'm looking forward to it. This year, like I said, it's a long ways to go and I'm going to get better from now and to the point when we're kicking the ball off to actually win a game."
On whether he's added muscle weight this offseason
"Yes, when we first started working with (Broncos Strength and Conditioning Coach) Rich (Tuten), I was dropping pounds but I weighed in the other day at around 245."
On whether he plans to add more weight before training camp
"I'm going to try to put on five-to-eight more pounds by the time we report."
On playing linebacker
"I should have been doing this, just being honest. This is what I was supposed to have been doing when I came to the NFL. The more comfortable I get, the more I think about it. When I'm sitting on the couch watching TV - just putting my own little twist and stuff, doing it the coach's way but being comfortable and putting my little twist on it and it's working. It works for me. I'm athletic, I can run, I can move in space and there's nothing that I really can't do at outside linebacker."
On his comfort level at the linebacker position
"It's getting there to that point. I've been rushing my whole life so when it comes that time, the rushing part is down but just covering and understanding the defense, yeah."
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You're not! Jenna has been around for heaps!
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wait a minute....
jenna talia and handle in the same sentence?
by sc31089 on Jun 13, 2010 4:15 PM MDT via mobile up reply actions
and I though she was
the porn actress. Bummer
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 13, 2010 4:59 PM MDT up reply actions
Remember 2007
and everyone was talking about the defense and how good moss could be, comparing him to Demarcus Ware, and talking about pro-bowls… I’m excited about this guy again… but does anyone think hes the real deal now?
by Bleedingblue&orange on Jun 13, 2010 4:02 PM MDT reply actions
I guess it’s still too early to label him a bust. I like the weight he has put on, significantly bigger than previous years?
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by GJBroncofan19 on Jun 13, 2010 4:33 PM MDT up reply actions
245
isn’t that big for a guy that’s 6’7", but I appreciate the improvement and work that he’s showing. He seems excited to play football again.
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 6:44 PM MDT up reply actions
For size comparison only (not talent)
Simon Fletcher went 6-6 and 240 pounds.
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James Harrison for the Steelers
One of the best 3-4 OLB’s in the league, is 6’ 242 lbs.
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 9:00 PM MDT up reply actions
uh huh.
the more weight the better for Moss. i think you’re exactly right on this. i saw him at training camp up close his rookie year—he looked like a tall wide receiver. my dad looked at me and said, “he’s skinny.” not good.
milkshakes, jarvis. save your career AND enjoy the best dessert man ever created. milk. shakes.
I think Moss
needs to get up to around 265 to be honest. there are QB’s that weigh 240 lbs in the league. I wonder if Moss can catch the ball. He might make a great TE.
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 10:53 PM MDT up reply actions
Tebow is 250. lol
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 14, 2010 1:01 PM MDT up reply actions
Just think....
The High/Low of a pass rush with him and Doom. The poor Qb’s having to watch low for Doom and Moss over the top. Ooooh Yeah!
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by IgorBStrange on Jun 14, 2010 3:58 AM MDT up reply actions
Good to see Colquitt in the lead for Punter
I just want to forget about the Mitch Berger experience
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Why did you have to mention that Chuk? I had all but forgotten that....
Thats when our losing streak started and the Titans winning streak started….we got rid of Brett Kern!
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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the Mitch Berger experience
sounds like a really bad 70s group
by SlowWhiteGuy on Jun 13, 2010 5:00 PM MDT up reply actions 4 recs
Interesting Ayers comment
“I know Robert is.” This definitely gives me the impression he did something – and not his overall play. Good to hear they have addressed it and moving on.
Moss at 245 seems too light for the direction we’ve been heading, but what do I know?
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin
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by Orange and Blue on Jun 13, 2010 4:56 PM MDT reply actions
245 is probably fine for a situational passrusher/nickel linebacker, which really is all I think Moss is. Probably too light for run downs, but that is why we have Ayers. It may also help him with his quickness in coverage when he drops back.
That said, Moss has a freakish fast first step… that is why he went as a relatively high 1st round pick, even though he’s otherwise tall and skinny. If Moss can get down the other parts of playing LB, and make it so we can drop him back and confuse the blitzes/coverages, he’ll be a great addition to the passrush, and we’ll have more flexibility to interior blitz, etc. I love the idea of him pressuring the corner while Doom/Ayers/and the DLine beef use their great interior and bullrush skills. Just think of the possibilities presented by a 5-man nickel front composed of Doom, J.Green, J. Williams/Fields/Baker, Ayers (who often moves inside on 3rd and long) and Moss… basically everyone but the NT could drop/cover to a short zone, which would further allow safeties/corners to blitz, etc without compromising coverage…
I hope it works out for him, because I’m drooling at the possibilities.
no doubt, I can only imagine having Moss become a toy for Wink to use would be awesome…but my disappointment from the past 3 yrs has bummed me out.
I am definitely pulling for him to do his thing.
We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately. - Benjamin Franklin
Whoa there...Did you just say what I think you said?
My prescription: two happy pills, (since they’re best taken with food, enjoy a nice medium rare Tebown steak), chase the whole thing with a glass half full of the orange koolaid (Orange Crush will do in a pinch), get a good night’s sleep and try that comment again…. - Broncs Cheer
by Orange and Blue on Jun 14, 2010 5:58 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks for the post Kirk
As mentioned, the Ayers comment sounds interesting. Hopefully he’ll be back at full speed in TC.
Thanks Kaptain!
Where’s Mike Clark? After reading this I am ready to order my cool-aid.
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It is encouraging isn't it?
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Moss.....
Was always a better fit for a 3-4 OLB than a 4-3 DE, IMHO. Still early, but he has battled through adversity and is still hanging in there. McD obviously has no draft investment in Jarvis and he’d be gone if McD didn’t see something. I would not be surprised if Jarvis won the job and did well this year; I’m pulling for him. Ironically, it may be the case that Ayers is a better fit for a 4-3 DE. I think this will be he most interesting competition in camp.
BTW, nice post SWG. And Oregon is an awesome place to live. After 15 years in central Michigan I really appreciate the beauty of Southen Oregon. Today it’s 70 something with clear blue sky. I can see Mt. Shasta clear as a bell and I rode my Honda ST to Medford on the twisty Greensprings hwy, stopping to eat at the Greensprings Inn – what a great day!
Where you at PP?
You in Klamath? Seems like there are quite a few Broncos fans floating around here. :)
I grew up in Medford
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by Topher Doll on Jun 13, 2010 10:56 PM MDT up reply actions
Haha
Maybe, it’s been a while since I’ve been back though, about 2 years.
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Damn, who did Beadles eat??
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Plow the road, boys! Plow it!
I sure hope this isn’t a bunch of BS, a way to try and motivate Moss. I’m trying to hold myself back from being too optimistic, but that would be pretty sweet if he ends up being the real deal after being a bust for three years.
Coach sounds pretty optimistic and happy overall. Good times. Watch out San Diego!!
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
wouldn't that suck
this week, Denver releases Moss. “So Coach, what happened with McD?” “We were trying to motivate him but it didn’t work. Oh well.”
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Kind of surprised that Royal
Is still the main return guy. While he did a good job last season, having a player do returning and another position can cause problems, i.e. Danieal Manning or Devin Hester in Chicago. Both were great returners, but when asked to play receiver or safety, they are average. Cribbs in Cleveland is another example.
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I agree
I think it took a lot out of Royal last year too. Hopefully someone else can take that role.
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 7:41 PM MDT up reply actions
I franky thought Royal sucked as our returner, plus it hurt him at WR. I really hope they take the duties off him!
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I agree
I didn’t see anything special except for the SD game.
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 7:48 PM MDT up reply actions
Actually he was better than average Boydy
As a PR, Eddie returned 29 Punts with an 11.2 Avg. had 13 Fair catches and ran one back for a TD. Only 4 guys had a better Avg. and two had 2 TD’s. The usual PR Avg. for the league is 7-9 yds.
As a KR, Royal had a 23.9 Avg. and 1 TD. This isn’t bad, but we could use some improvement there. My thinking is that JJ Arrington will be the KR. but McKinley Phonz and Buckhalter all filled in there.
I think McD has Eddie there because he is the safest player at that spot. A muff or fumble on a PR can devastate the team. I don’t think we can afford to play come from behind too much. At least with last year’s team. Hopefully we have improved in that capacity, but limiting mistakes is pretty important. I do agree though, someone else needs to step up and replace Eddie as a returner so his receiving duties don’t suffer.
I was going to address this in a post, but other things have been pressing.
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by KaptainKirk on Jun 13, 2010 9:07 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Great point Kirk
but did you see what his PR and KR would have been without the TD’s? I would imagine that they would decrease significantly. Any way that you could figure that out?
by higgyhoops12 on Jun 13, 2010 9:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Why would you take the touchdown out? He got the yards…. is it a bad thing that he got a touchdown on the returns? You make it sounds like it’s a fluke or something. Every other returner has their touchdowns figured into their averages as well, that’s why it’s an average.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
by aLuffabo on Jun 13, 2010 11:43 PM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
Agree completely aLuffabo
Stats are the stats, and too many folks don’t recognize how poor the NFL average is… everyone expects great plays all the time because all they see is the highlight reals, and the reality is that bad performance is much more common than most folks expect. Eddie’s stats are solidly in the well-above-average range.
That said, higgy has a point about needing to look at the median as well as the mean average. Josh Cribbs is great not because he occassionally busts the long run, but rather because if you give him any seem at all, he’s going to take it 15 yards.
FootballOutsiders has done some stuff to normalize returns to emphasize consistent performance rather than a few booms in the midst of many busts. Not sure how Eddie grades out there, but thats where I’d look to get a sense of how he rates in consistent performance.
That is already measured
You get your answer by looking at a teams average starting field position. Especially on KR because the defense has no influence on that. However, that is how you gauge the consistency of your KR/PR teams as a whole.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 14, 2010 1:07 PM MDT up reply actions
but won't average field position also be influenced by the big returns?
I guess it wouldn’t be if its a TD, but a 60 yard return, followed by 9 zero yarders still gives a deceivingly high/misleading 6 yards/return.
The KR returns are also influenced by the length of the kickoffs, which aren’t consistent. If a team gets an abnormally high number of kickoffs to the 2, vs. an abnormally high number to the 8, you have a 6 yard/return difference for the same length of return. In addition, a squib kick may start the team at the 35 yard line, but the return maybe less than 15 yards.
Basically, i don’t think your solution solves it, particularly if we want to isolate the effect of an individual player/returner. We either need info on the MEDIAN return distance for both the league as a whole and the player, or some other metric (like FO’s stats which are normalized to “success points”) to get at the deeper question of a returner’s consistency.
Field position is a decent descriptor of the total end result of all factors, but it doesn’t give you any idea about WHY you had that field position, which could be completely unrelated to the actual quality of your special teams unit/return man.
You're right
there are a lot of mediating factors on the stat, but since it is league wide it levels out. Seperating the individual returner is difficult, since what those other 10 guys do is very important, but there really isn’t a statistically accurate way to do this without introducing a whole lot of subjectivity. If you look at your starting field position it gives you a broad idea of whats going on generally, then you compare your starting field position with one of your returners vs others to get a little better idea. If there is a problem, you have to go to the film and see if the blockers suck or the returner does or both.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 14, 2010 6:24 PM MDT up reply actions
I agree 100%
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I don't see how it averages out
Teams only play 13 teams per season… some teams play bad teams/punters/kickers, others play good. As such, I doubt it actually does average out.
I agree about difficulty in seperating player from team… I guess I should say “return team, headed by X returner”, but of course that is implied. The point is the same… what teams/returners had consistently good special teams performance.
Which brings me to my same conclusion…. mean average stats, whether at the team level or the individual returner, simply can’t tell us how consistent a returner is. We need more advanced stats (median average, or stats normalized to a league average like FO does) in order to get that.
I don't think any stats
can truly explain a players effectiveness in this situation. We just have to face it. The NFL is not a stat driven league. Stats answer every question in Baseball, and a lot of them in football. But a stat will really give us no easy answer in football. There is just no replacing game film for true evalutation here.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 15, 2010 2:05 PM MDT up reply actions
but just because no stat is perfect...
…. doesn’t imply we shouldn’t look for BETTER stats.
Median averages, and/or normalized stats actually would tell a whole lot here.
Here are football outsiders’ normalized stats from last year, translated to the unit of “points” above/below average:
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst
So from this, it looks like our kick returns were 4.2 “points” below average, while our punt returns were 4.2 points above average. As Royal did the PR duties, while McKinley, etc. seemingly did more KRs, I’d say that reflects their relative performance… Combined, I guess that would say our return game was exactly NFL average.
Overall, our special teams overall were ranked 18th in league, but we improved in the 2nd half of the year so our weighted average (emphasizing the final 10 games) was ranked 9th.
Our biggest special teams weakness was punting (almost 10 points below average), while our biggest positive was in kickoffs/kickoff coverage which was ~10 points above average. That makes intuitive sense to me given the difference between our sucky punters and Prater’s deep kickoffs.
Good point
It’s about trust right now. The rookies need to earn the right to be given the ball. Those punt numbers are impressive, still though, Royal paid his dues. Between Cox and JJ, I think we will have enough options to not need him.
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
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by Tempestuous Binary on Jun 14, 2010 9:37 AM MDT up reply actions
Are your going to ruin discussions with facts again, Kap?
Danged objectivist sorts won’t even let a guy get away with misstating things…….lol
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This whole part of the interview is just screamng to me that
there is something about the return game that I am just missing. Just what advantage does that extra year of experience give over a rookie RETURN MAN. The lead blockers, sure, but it seems that the returner turns to his instincts soon after the first clash. If there a learning curve, could this mean that part Hillis’ demise was the inability to make any progress in whatever this is? Somebody help me….I’m so confused.
He's not concerned
with what Perrish Cox can do after the catch. He said he’s not yet ready to trust Cox making the catch consistently. He mentioned things like judging the wind etc… My guess is that Cox and others will get enough reps in TC to earn that trust, but not after minicamp.
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 14, 2010 1:10 PM MDT up reply actions
Thanks W2B!
After I posted, I saw some of the comments come through that suggested that solution to my confusion, and I agree with it in retrospect. Thanks for responding! We Idaho guys got to stick together!. I’m in Pocatello, BTW.
for sure brotha. My dads whole family is from Pokie
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by Welcome2Boise on Jun 14, 2010 6:19 PM MDT up reply actions
Personally, I think it’s just too early for a coach to name a rookie the “starting” anything (even return man). Giving out that title to a rookie this early would be just that… GIVING it to him. He needs to feel he’s got work to do. He needs to earn it. And I have little doubt that he will, and that Royal won’t be returning much this year.
November, gentlemen. We go again to their house and we make it OUR MF house!! We take our Crown from those punks, not from around those punks! We take it in November and we protect it in January. Two wins. That's it. Take it!!!
by Alex on Jun 13, 2010 8:49 PM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
when it comes to Eddie returning punts
We can count on him being the main guy until someone proves they are better at it than he is. As long as he is our best returner, he will be returning. I think Cox will get his shots though, and may be able to wrest control of the job away from Eddie.
And for the record i don’t think the returns are a problem for Eddie now that he will run primarily out of the slot (and hopefully he stays concussion free—that would be one reason to take the PR work away from him), and now that he is in his second year of the system. He is exciting to watch as a return man, and I hope he continues to do it until someone even more exciting comes along…
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by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 14, 2010 1:26 AM MDT up reply actions
Moss may still be a bust.
Who knows how they are using him, or not using him. I always had high hopes for him since he was drafted. Perhaps he does have some talent, and that is why he is still on the team. Long shot at best to make the final roster. Very interesting either way.
Hes almost a certainty to make the team.
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All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
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October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
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Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
or are you saying the date is on July 29th or July 30th?
BroncoTillIDie = Nick Castillo
October 11, 2009: Remember the McD Fist Pump.
Xbox360 gamertag: SnipeMeHarder
Last Name: Ever First Name: Greatest
I've seen it stated on both days
so I wanted to Cover myself. Lol
Character may be manifested in the great moments but it is made in the small ones -- Philip Brooks
I like McD's spiel about eliminating distractions.
He sounds really excited. How can we not be significantly improved this season?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Is it me or is McD a lot less candid this year. he actually named our returner and potential punter and talked about the players competing at OLB – you never got that last year. Its certainly a step in the right direction.
I think you mean more candid, but I agree. I feel like there has been a definite progression there from last off-season through now. He’s kind of finding his own style as a head coach.
by BroncosBassist on Jun 14, 2010 5:08 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
It is interesting to watch for sure
I think he is a naturally discursive person, so I think when he is clamming up, such as on Ayers, it is done out of principle. I think I have seen him pull up short of actually exposing some vital info a few times. In the latest presser, he is talking about Martindale, and the defense, and the words are really flowing, and then as he starts to talk about the defensive scheme he just…stops. It reminded me of a scene from “My Name is Earl” where Randy has to tear the head off of the ‘truth-telling puppet’ before it can say something terrible—of course the puppet was on Randy’s own hand in the scene…
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 14, 2010 11:08 AM MDT up reply actions
Moss' size
He’s only 245, but at 6’7" that is still a big boy… He does need to be heavier though. I dont see a guy that tall having any kind of leverage without weight to go with it. Doom is so good because he is small and generates tons of leverage on taller players, plus the guy is quick, and his arms help to fight off larger tackles. Moss needs to be heavier, and if he is motivated now, maybe we will see another 7-10 pounds on him by camp, and if that motivation carries over you have a guy with size, and speed and a motor. Urban Meyer went to Florida telling people he was going to have the fastest defense available, and those championship teams were scary fast on D. So with that in mind, Moss could have that potential as a nasty blitzer, plus with that size he could cover alot of ground dropping into coverage. It all depends on him though, a guy built like is very interesting as far as potential goes… Royal is a good Returner, but if he is going to be a great slot man they need to find someone to replace him… stokley isn’t getting younger.
by Bleedingblue&orange on Jun 14, 2010 7:45 AM MDT reply actions
the report is that he has been in the weight room excelling
whether that means he is putting on pounds I don’t know, but his strength and explosion are almost assuredly increasing. Since his infection, he has had an unwieldy somatotype—heavy upperbody, toothpick lower body. I think it directly correlated to his injury his rookie year.
I would love to get a good ‘combine-esque’ look at him right now, to see if he has at the very least achieved some balance to his weight distribution.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: You've come far pilgrim.
Jeremiah Johnson: Feels like far.
Bear Claw Chris Lapp: Were it worth the trouble?
Jeremiah Johnson: What trouble?
by Jeremy Bolander on Jun 14, 2010 11:14 AM MDT up reply actions
i do like the idea of
having players run combine tests every three years just so we can see their career curve in action. i can’t imagine the ridiculous projections and newly developed geek stats that would come along. not to mention it would become kind of a preseason gala like the draft, with t.v. coverage, predictions, extra NFL income… this should be hardwired into the CBA.
Jeremy, you once did a post on all of Moss' health issues
Could you find that and run it again? People would have a clearer picture of the situation. Thx
Gnothi Seauton
I hope Moss does well, but....
Most of the OLBs who got significant playing time last year aren’t on the field right now, at least at full speed. Doom is waiting on a contract, Ayers is doing who knows what, and Darrel Reid is rehabbing. Oh and Hagan apparently is moving around the field a bit. I will wait to be excited until there is more competition. If he is still beating people out then, well then color me excited.
by OrangeandBlue27 on Jun 14, 2010 6:10 PM MDT via mobile reply actions
OK - dont bash me to death!!!
BUT, every since I watched him (Moss) play OLB in preseason last year I was impressed with his athletic potential. Anyhow…………….
The point I want to make is that McD said, "WE WANT THE BEST ELEVEN PLAYERS ON THE FIELD."
SO…. Don’t be surprised if you Ayers, Dumervil, and Moss all are starters one day in the near-future!!!
a different tack
I’m not trying to disagree but the value of someone like Moss is partly in his situational usage. And that’s not a knock on him.
I think the language of football needs to be modified to embrace how the game is now played. We’re still stuck in a platoon based terminology despite the reality of the specialization of players and their utilization in situational assignments.
We’re not worried about the fact that Moss may not be a starter because we want someone to come in — a la a relief pitcher in baseball — and provide us with attributes that we lack in the starters. And it’s not that we’re limited to using him solely on 3rd down situations, but that’s the point — we’re trying to get maximal effectiveness from our roster despite the limitation of only being able to play eleven players at a time.
Depth is the assignment point of view (as opposed to the platoon view) is a different kind of talent rather than a lesser talent. And the backup (or situational player) adds something to the team rather than being a lesser player who sits on the bench or plays STs because someone has to do it.
no goats, no glory.
Hmmm, modify the language of football.....
LOVE your point about the evolution of the game making the language misleading and inadequate. This could even have potential for a post for somebody with enough time and motivation……….any volunteers?









































