ESPN: Team impressed with Tebow's work ethic
It’s 30 minutes after the Denver Broncos completed a June minicamp practice on a warm day in the Rockies. Future Hall of Famer and team leader Champ Bailey is relaxing near the entrance to the team’s locker room, about to enjoy the air conditioning and a post-practice meal. Bailey suddenly points to a figure on a distant field. A solitary player remains at work. It’s Tim Tebow.
"See that?" Bailey asks. "That’s Tebow. It’s long after practice and he’s still out there. That’s what he does. That’s not for show. He’s not just doing that because the media is here today. He does that every day."
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Not that I expected anything different
But this is a good thing…he has a long way to go and a whole lot to learn (and unlearn). Keep at it Tim!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
I loved reading that article
Thanks for putting it where it belongs, EJ!
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
I'll be intersted in seeing
how much game action he gets in the preseason. And also interested in seeing how well he does.
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Typically the 3rd string QB
gets less than the 2nd string QB. Most of the time, he’s only in the 3rd or 4th game for a chunk of it. I wonder if he’ll split time with Quinn?
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
I believe the coach's reply to that question will be ...
He will get the time he earns with his effort and success in practice. But then, so will Quinn.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
It's what he does!
He’s done this everywhere he goes. His whole life people have been telling him he can’t do this, or can’t do that. This isn’t anything new to him.
I’m really glad that the vets see him doing this and apparently they are impressed as hell. Which means that he has their respect, and he could step into a leadership role very easily.
I’m most interested in how they handle him during the season. He is either the starter or the backup. If he isn’t, then he can’t get on the field for any gadget plays unless the starter get’s injured. That means that in order for him to play at all this year, he needs to beat out at least 1 of the other QB’s, and I have a hard time believing that we traded for Quinn, only to have him be the “emergency” QB….. We also surely didn’t draft Tebow to have him sit on the sidelines his rookie year. I find it hard to believe that he can’t be used in any capacity near the goalline or perhaps on 3rd downs.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
I wonder, though, if they could get him on the field by listing him on the running backs depth chart as well as the QB’s.
I hate the Red Wings.
Don't know
I was curious about things like that as well, but I have a feeling that because he is listed on the team as a QB, that he’s locked into that position.
The other QB’s such as Kordell Stewart were always either starters or backups. Plus, McDaniels has said time and time again that he was drafted to be a QB, so I don’t think that he’d list him on the depth chart as anything but a QB, simply out of principal alone.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Jun 15, 2010 8:07 AM MDT up reply actions
actually....
I forgot. I think that if he’s the 3rd QB, he can’t play until the 4th quarter. Well, he could play in the 1st, but that would mean that the other 2 QB’s couldn’t play the rest of the game, so unless he’s the starter, that won’t happen. So if he’s the 3rd QB, it looks like we’d only see him on the field in the 4th quarter.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Jun 15, 2010 8:09 AM MDT up reply actions
IMO
He’s pretty much a lock to be QB2, even if by title only. That way he can play. Brady Quinn could still come in for Orton if Orton gets injured, but he won’t count as “active” towards the 45 man game day roster. Since there’s no reason for Quinn to play unless Orton goes down, there’s no reason to have him active, therefore no reason to have him listed as QB2 other than ego (and that can be dealt with by just sitting him down and letting him know why the decision is being made. Well, and plus, there’s still the chance that Tebow overtakes the position for real.
It's Alex, just Alex. But you can call me Alex=)
by Alex on Jun 15, 2010 8:14 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
I don't think that'll happen
See, what if Orton get’s hit a bit awkward and needs to come out for a series or two. You can’t have Quinn come in for him, or else Orton won’t be allowed to come back in the game. The moment the 3rd or emergency QB enters the game, that’s it for the starter. So even if Orton went down, unless it’s clearly an injury that will sideline him the rest of the game, we’d have to have the #2 QB come in for him, which would mean throwing Tebow into the game possibly before he’s ready.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Jun 15, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions
As stated above
This is only true if hes inactive for the game. If hes part of your roster, they can go in and out just like any other player.
Again, all players will get on the field when they have earned their way on. On game day, the active roster will be made up of players that they plan on playing. If Teabow is good enough to play red zone offense, he will be good enough to spell Orton for a sieries or two as well.
If he’s playing better than Quinn he will be the number two. If he’s not, he will be number 3. If there are no plans to use him specifically he will be inactive. Its all so slimple really.
"My team's on the floor"
Gene Hackman - Hoosiers
no reason
to designate him as a RB – as long as he is active – he can play as the 3rd QB. But he would count against our actives cap. Same as if you called him a RB.
The emergency 3rd QB rule only matters if that QB was inactive. McD has already said it would be tough to justify activating a 3rd QB – due to the tradeoff with other positions. So B. Quinn – if he isn’t going to run special packages and is only there in case of emergency – makes sense as a 3rd QB who is inactive. That leaves Tebow as a viable 2nd to run special plays.
by Something Clever on Jun 15, 2010 9:11 AM MDT up reply actions 2 recs
true that home slice!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
3rd QB Rule
This is more of a response to the whole thread; just wanted to make sure everyone was on the same page with the 3rd QB Rule.
The key distinction is whether or not the 3rd QB is Active or Inactive. If he’s Active on game day, there are absolutely NO restrictions on his use. He’s an Active player and be used in any way the coaches want (he doesn’t even have to be listed as an RB). In this case, the 3rd QB Rule is not even used…the team just has three QBs on its Active roster.
The 3rd QB Rule only applies if the 3rd QB is listed as Inactive for a game. He still dresses, but his use is controlled. If an Inactive 3rd QB enters the game prior to the 4th quarter, the two Active QBs cannot re-enter the game at any position. If the 3rd QB enters after the 4th quarter starts, there is no such restriction. In this case, it still doesn’t matter what the designation is for the Active QBs (other than both of them must be “true” QBs…ie, you can’t just name depth player X as your 2nd QB, content with benching him if you want to get to your “3rd” QB.)
Regardless, yeah, it will be interesting to see what games McDaniels plays with this rule. Orton will almost certainly be #1, but I could see Tebow named #2 and Quinn the Inactive #3, even if Quinn is the de facto #2. Tebow could be used in certain packages, but an injury to Orton gives McDaniels a choice: keep Tebow in until the 4th starts, or sit him down and bring in Quinn.
by Disco_Stu on Jun 15, 2010 8:29 AM MDT up reply actions 1 recs
let's hope
Let’s hope he keeps 3 active then. I’m not sure many teams do, because that’s an awful lot of people that probably won’t play to be taking up spots of linemen and such who rotate in and out.
2/3 of the world is covered in water
the other 1/3 is covered by Champ Bailey
by Big_Pete1999 on Jun 15, 2010 8:36 AM MDT up reply actions
+1
What you have laid out is the most likely scenario. JM continues to leave open the Tebow/Wild Horses option, and can’t imagine a situation (more than one) in a game when the Broncos need short yardage for a first down, and don’t make it with Orton at qb. By the second or third time, fans will be wondering what the heck—Tebow was a first round choice that brings an immediate skill set on options or rushing to pick up those yards. Tebow will be QB2, and Quinn inactive—knowing that he is actually Orton’s back-up if he goes down. As you said, the real issue is if Orton goes down early, and what does JM do.
Keep it up, kid.
If Champ Bailey thinks you’re money then you sir, are money.
Why hate on your OWN team when you've got the Raiders?
YES Mastermind....and love your tag line!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
I'd like his money
or at least his money when he signs that fat contract!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
I love his work ethic
but I woder how a QB can practice by himself? Does he just work on his foot work and motion?
HILLIS...where are you???
nope
He actually passes the ball down the field then runs and catches it, dukes a defender or two that spawns in front of him, then scores a touchdown. This is Tim Tebow – he is so fast, he has balls of fire sparking from under his feet!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Tebow = Padawan Chuck Norris?
-Harvey J. Neptune
"Practice doesn't make perfect. PERFECT practice makes perfect." - Vince Lombardi
Haven't you seen the Peyton Manning commercial?
hit that guy, hiy that guy…
"as in football so in life"
A lot of the guys will still work out together regardless of whether their is camp or not. Very possible he will do work with some WR's etc.
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Thats what i Thought but the article says...
A solitary player remains at work. It’s Tim Tebow.
HILLIS...where are you???
Yep...throwing to coaches...
In Peter King’s article he was out there with Thom McDaniels playing center and throwing to a coach with Ben and Josh McDaniels out there too….thats some work ethic!
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
And we just read last week that Brady Quinn and Kenny McKinley are last off.
of course we also heard McD praise Ayers work in OTA’s before ‘demoted’
and Champ also praised Alphonso Smith on really stepping up, but Cox is #3 CB.
just wonder who makes up all the info. WE NEED TC
Completely
unrelated but Logan Mankins REALLY does not want to be a Patriot. Perhaps we could bring him in if he’s a good fit. I don’t see why he wouldn’t be. All the good expatriates like McDaniels and Gaffney are now Broncos. Coincidence, I think not. By that, I mean all the Patriots who were good people. Belichick is a piece of trash
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jun 15, 2010 10:36 AM MDT reply actions
The Pats offered him a contract at $7 Million/year. If he didn’t take that, I’d hate to see what he’s really looking for.
Fix the line, Moreno will be fine.
Sometimes it isn't about money
Sometimes its about crying yourself to sleep in your huge pilla (see Jay Cutler).
Heed! Newspaper! Now!
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Nice
Funniest scene in that movie.
“It’s like an orange on a toothpick!”
by AllBroncsallday on Jun 15, 2010 11:22 AM MDT up reply actions
Like sputnik. Round but quite pointy in parts.
Some people got nothing to be angry about so they're angry about nothing.
by MrFNSunshine on Jun 15, 2010 12:57 PM MDT up reply actions
Ooh Aye!
I always hated the Colonel with his WEE BEADY EYES!!! “Oh, you’re gonna eat ma chicken!”
"Precipitation, which side are you on?
Are you on the rise? Are you falling down?
Let me know, Come on let's go, yeah
Got some if you need it!" -EV
Haha! you stole my heart and my cat
I say this all the time…like an orange on a toothpick…
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by JChase8410 on Jun 16, 2010 1:04 AM MDT via mobile up reply actions
Okay, I'm starting to drink the kool-aid
I was not a fan of Tebow before we drafted him… I thought he was a project, and that a 1st round pick was too valuable to spend on a guy who probably had a 50% chance of busting completely.
I consoled myself in the fact that we moved down and manufactured the ability to take him for a reasonable salary… knowing that by doing so we could always fall back to keeping Orton until something better comes along or Tebow proved me wrong.
However, I have to admit… I love his upside, and things like this make me think he may be the steal of the draft… I always thought it was a possibility he would prove me wrong, but I gotta say I’m really starting to like the kid… I mean, what is there to dislike? Sure he has mechanics issues, etc., but he seems committed to overcoming them.
Okay… enough gushing for today. Go Broncos!
Mechanics
seem to be Tebow’s only issue. His work ethic, attitude and willingness to improve and take constructive criticism=impeccable. I can’t say I have faith in Tebow yet as he hasn’t played in the NFL before. However, it should not be overlooked that Randall Cunningham had mechanics issues as well
Brad James
by the new Bradfather on Jun 15, 2010 3:20 PM MDT up reply actions
Why this is SO overblown in my opinion. Players with questionable mechanics out of college...
- Brett Favre
- Steve Young
- Kyle Orton
- Kosar
- Philip Rivers.
- Randall Cunnigham
- Steve McNair
- Sid Luckman
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Kosar had crappy mechanics until the day he called it quits...
And Rivers STILL looks like he is throwing a shot-put???
- Whatever "it" was that got you to where you are today, "it" will certainly not be enough to enable you to stay there going forward! -
by BroncoSense72 on Jun 15, 2010 5:37 PM MDT up reply actions
ah yes
but it WORKS for Rivers!
Champ Bailey also has bad mechanics. The one thing I learned playing CB in highschool/college is that they don’t teach you to square your hips like he does. And for good reason. Champ however is a special player, and what he does works for him! No one can deny that.
Mechanics arent everything!
daaayuuuuum! you gonna take that KB?!? lol -Broncs55
Absolutely not. KB is a function of aggression and rage, the derivative of which can be traced back to my childhood.-KentuckyBronco
PS3 ID: KoRnHo|ed
Some mechanics are more important than others
Mechanics is a broad term, and all mechanical problems are not created equal. Some mechanics don’t really change the delivery speed, etc… for example, Rivers, for all his stupid shot put motion, gets the ball out fast. The same isn’t/wasn’t true for Tebow.
Farve has a very quick release. Kosar’s release was plenty fast, but he tended to throw wounded ducks… and that probably held him back from being a truly elite QB rather than just a relatively successful one.
It is undisputedly true that Tebow’s poor mechanics make him a significantly higher probability of busting than the “typical” 1st round QB who tend to have better mechanics (they may have other things that increase their probability). Poor mechanics doesn’t mean he defintiely will bust… it just means he has something the others don’t to overcome with the other things he does well.
If Tebow can change his mechanics to something more compact/faster, we don’t have that concern anymore. If successful, he instantly becomes the #1 prospect in the draft because of all the other things he does well. But the fact remains that his mechanics make him a risk… the reason I am starting to drink the koolaid is he seems committed to doing the things he’ll need to do (including working on his mechanics) to be successful. If it works out, he could be the best #25 pick/gamble ever for the Broncos.
Good points....but here are a list of busts who had GOOD mechanics..
Tim Couch, Akili Smith, Ryan Leaf, David Carr, Joey Harrigton, Drew Henson…the list goes on.
The thing with all athletes at this level is they sub consciously make adjustments for what they have physically. Rivers does it thru an inate pocket presence and ability to throw on the move well, for example. Favre was similar.
This is what gets me: Tebow is perhaps one of the BEST athletes we have ever seen at the quarterback position. He will make those sub-conscious movements because thats what great athletes do.
To think that a questionable throwing motion at worst would hold him back is insane. It makes no ATHLETIC sense. If he was a dumb ass, was un motivated, was stubborn….they are WAY bigger problems.
Tebow is athletic, smart, has good arm strength, is motivated and a motivator and natural team leader. What am I missing here? What is EVERYONE missing here???
Those that cant coach, compete!
Failing to plan is planning to fail.
All I want is 53 Rod Smiths. Is that asking too much????
"Peyton Hillis didn’t rip the sleeves off his jersey, they flew off out of fear."
Calijoefornia.
Agree completely
As flaws go, mechancial issues are far from the worst possibilities a college QB could exhibit. As you mention, things like work ethic, etc. are much more likely to sink a player than mechanical issues. It is why Jabba the Raider was one of the dumbest #1 draft pick ever, because he had about a zillion red flags around him. he was the textbook case of folks getting blinded by the athelticism/physical and ignoring the intangibles.
All college QBs have a relatively likelihood of busting. The biggest impediment is likely just shifting to the speed and complexity of the NFL game, and that is why “NFL-system” QBs coming out of college are so valued. Tebow didn’t have that benefit (but then, neither did Bradford), and that speed differential is compounded by his slower release… this is why I say all mechanics are not created equal. Tebow’s particular flaw magnifies the speed differential between the college and NFL games… which is likely the biggest reason college QBs bust out (besides the physical ability to throw deep outs with velocity, etc. which Tebow has no problem with).
Tebow had a lot of other good things going for him, which is why he was a 1st round pick… if he’d had clean mechanics, he would’ve been the #1 pick…. but he didn’t. His mechancis are a yellow flag urging caution. They are surmountable, and frankly I’m ecstatic Tebow had his flaws, because otherwise he never would’ve dropped to us. I’m not one to say Tebow can’t succeed with bad mechanics… he absolutely can. But he can succeed a lot more with a faster release/better mechanics. Kosar is a great example, where mechanics held back an otherwise excellent QB. If Tebow turns into a Kosar, I won’t complain… but with good mechanics I think he can be an Elway which is even better.
That all said, Byron Leftwich is the alternative option. The guy has a strong arm, pretty accurate, and is generally considered a good “intangible” guy (not great like Tebow, but good). He had some success despite his slow wind-up, but in the end he never will be more than a solid backup because of his mechanics. Luckily, because we have Tebow on a #25 contract vs. a #1, even that is still valuable for us… a solid backup QB is a valuable commodity. Win for the Broncos.
7 weeks to TC and Tebow will be ready...
These are the same traits that remind me of Elway. He leads by example, and his leadership traits come naturally. He’s amazing on and off the field and a moster in the weight room, you only need to ask Moss about his training techniques. These are his best qualities and over time will win his peers over and keep gaining support. Elway was always the first one in and last one out at Broncos facility for his entire career something Rod Smith can talk about…
Once they put on the pads and TC starts with full contact I think the key players will step up. I think Tebow will be one of the key players who will step up… Can’t wait to see & evaluate the key players at TC…
oc60
"Peace of mind which is a direct result of self-satisfaction in knowing you did your best to become the best that you are capable of becoming."
God Bless the late John R. Wooden
NAH...
I think we all would rather have THIS (instead of someone working/practicing hard):
http://www.tmz.com/2010/05/25/terrell-owens-jay-cutler-photo-club-chicago-bears-nfl-football-drunk-face/
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